Did India Put an End To BazBall? 😨 & Has BazBall Been a Myth All Along? 🤔 | Kimber & Harmy 

Saw that series between India and England. And I totally agree with what Harsha Bhogle said about it. He said, in the end, India only had to take 7-8 wickets each innings. England was gifting them 2-3 wickets every time.

Everyday I wake up, and England are preparing for the Ashes

India ended Bazball and Australia's Gabba winning streak

Indian series was great. England played quick and mindless cricket and let India annihilate them. They did their job in entertaining the largest cricketing audience in the world

"be the best version of yourself" is a fine sentiment and might work for the favourites, but it is blatently untrue when you look at Foakes - dumped because he doesn't score fast enough with the tail. That's not giving him confidence to go out and play his game. If Bazball really was about getting the best out of the best players then Foakes should have batted at 5 in India and been allowed to play his natural game (a county number 5 who builds an innings alongside other proper batters). They are still caught up in the media hype of outrageous fast scoring and risk taking!

I thought 4-1 was a fair result . They deserved to win 1 test . India could've won 1st test and england could've won the 4th test

Yeah if my grandma had wheels she’d have been a bike😂😂

Saying had england had bumrah and ashwin, they would have beaten india is just like saying had Bangladesh had anderson and broad they would have beaten england in england 😂😂

India were without most of their first eleven players and still they lost

India beaten bazzball with b team and that too on flat wickets that doesnot had more spin still england lost the series 4-1

Just for context- That Aussie team with Langer Hayden Ponting Martyn were scoring more than 4.5- 5 an over in the noughties. That's it. What England did as a collective is not novel. Has been done in the past and that too successfully

India didn’t have kohli,pant,shami and KL rahul. 4 key players missing.

As I understood it, the one unique aspect of test cricket was to bat as long as possible not only to accumulate runs but also to tire out opposition bowlers so that they have less to give in 2nd innings and as the series progress that workload manifest itself in making batsman life easier the longer they play. "Bazball " has given away that crucial advantage willingly.

“It should have been 2-2 before the fifth test.” I really dislike these nonsensical hypothetical arguments. Yeah it could have been 2-2 but it could easily have been 4-0, in fact it was closer to the latter than the former. Ollie Pope was dropped how many times again?

The style of cricket is not the problem. The arrogance was the problem. Making stupid decisions out of arrogance is what looses them games. Happened in the Ashes and happened in India. Root trying to reverse sweep Bumrah, if I remember right, has got to be one of the symbols of Bazball stupidity. But more than that, it was the rubbish some of the players said in the media that irked fans. When you are last on the WTC table, losing 1-4, and you failed to win the Ashes, then those statements sound genuinely delusional.

Kimber saying that other teams adopted some aspects of bazball is disingenuous. Others didn't. It's like claiming that virendar sehwag somehow time traveled to the future, got the idea from England and then adopted it in back in his own time. Or the stupid claim that yashaswi jaiswal was copying the idea... That's so stupid.

Virender Sehwag , Gilchrist, Rishi Pant started before England did Baz Ball

England has been able to play bazzball in England only because of the flat decks there, i dont think England can play well on any other surface

Bazball in concept is very negative. At least in the series against India it was. England almost always played 4 bowlers and were struggling to take 20 wickets each game. They ended up taking 78/100 available wickets, and India took all 100. England throwing away a few sure helped, but India had some of their all time greats in that attack, and England were never competing in that department. The onus and eyeballs are always on the batters in Bazball. It will almost never work against better quality attacks especially when the conditions do not suit the English bowlers. The game that England won, they won by 28 runs or something like that. Pretty close. This after they had India for like some 100/7. Rest of the games were pretty one sided. 100 runs, 400 odd runs, 5 wickets, an innings and so on. 4-1 is flattering England a lot, especially with the bowling they had. I think that England will end up preparing flat wickets in England where they will feel like they can chase anything (300-400) against lesser attacks like Windies and Sri Lanka. The real challenge will come when they play India or Australia with much better bowling attacks who can actually defend scores.

It’s not surprising how Jarrod has deflected the question. When and how the English hypocrisy end. 4-1 is fair reflection of absolute debacle of England in India.

In overseas Ashes last 3 series, 5-0, 4-0, 4-0, lol

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="274">4:34</a> Yeah and it could be 5-0 as well

All this discussion a year and half prior for the Sydney weather to decide wether it will be a 4-0 or 5-0

Ultra attacking cricket, like Aus sometimes play, also know as "Bazball" , only works against weaker opponents. Equal teams or a better opponent ! - you need to defend and wear your opponents down to earn the opportunity to attack.

If England would have really given any real hedaches, it would have reflected in a 3-2 result. Truth is, Indian cricket was much better than English cricket and English cricket was just making schoolboy errors of being egoistic and aggressive on everything as they kept losing in the series. If you can't defend, you have so many shots out of your game and shows you aren't even technically adept for this level 😊

The other big difference in the next Ashes will be bigger grounds, hopefully, pitches with a bit more pace and a fit Nathan Lyon. India did well by letting England score quickly and then batted long to grind England's bowlers into the dirt.

Harmy intresting that india also won without lara mcgrath warne and sobers.. so it kind of evens out that england didnt have ashwin and bumrah

Bazzball or no Bazzball. Until England learn to bowl and play spin, they can’t come close to beating India or even Australia in their own backyards.

One thing watching this England cricket is they don’t play the situation like India and Australia does in test cricket. Bazball is completely failure they couldn’t even qualify for one WTC final .

It’s funny how everyone has a different interpretation of what Bazball is.

If my aunt has moustache then she will be my uncle 😂

What is the point of bazball in a five day game? It is like a general keeping the tactics the same without consideration to the terrain or circumstances.

Boozeball is really interesting. I think England should not stop entertaining spectators. Moreover Kids like Jaiswals, Williamsons, probably Pukovskies in future has so much to learn from Ben Buckets, Harry Brooms and Hairstows entertaining cricket. I kinda like how Harami exactly pointed out the difference in the skill level of English bowlers in Indian conditions that let them down. I wish Stokes and his overrated coach listens to this and keeps doing what they do best and stick to Doucheball. This England red bull team has wings

Harmison just sounds like he doesn't have a clue or he has a clear England Bias. Jarrod needs to have these talks with George Dobell, Bhogle or Dinesh Karthik

I reckon bazball as very effective brand of cricket.England was in winning position at some point in all first 3 test matches. Earlier in 21,16 England never looked to be in the contention while playing test in India. But 2024 series was made so engrossing due to England's new style of cricket. They should continue like this.

Well it is not working because england are not winning...this thing about entertaining the crowd and all is total BS.

"it should have been 2-2 " bro you lost wake up you are sleeping its written LOST on the series score card

It works on the flattest of odi type test pitches that stay flat on the 5th day like that on 5th test against india in 2022 . In other difficult pitches ,it is the same mediocre team

just for once recognise the fact that england is sitting at last in WTC table

Bazball would still likely to work at home for England... Its the away games whether its Bazball or Boring-ball they'd still likely to lose !

Bazball is a repackaged version of Jayasuriya ball.

Isn’t England last on the table in test championship?

Don’t agree with Kimber on here - bazball was nothing more than a storm in a tea cup … the idea of bazball was seen much earlier in many forms in test cricket so don’t think bazball as such was anything new or added any extra value

England team has been exposed by India. England cricket has been reduced to Meagre mortals and skeletons. India truly destroyed Bazzball once and forever. Jarrod Kimber and Harmisons’s beating around the bush is hypocrisy at its best. It’s not surprising how Jarrod has deflected the question.

England turned up in India with an attack full pf bowlers with asterisks against their names: Anderson *too old to bowl long enough; Wood *too fragile to bowl long enough; Bahsser, Hartley, Rehan *too young and experienced to bowl well enough for long enough. The idea that it could have been 2-2 going into the last Test is ridiculous. The one Test they won was on the back of a freak innings by Pope where he survived the highest percentage of false shots ever.

Is Bazball tactics? Strategy? Harmy suggests it's some kind of self-affirmation mantra. Duckett thought it was a proxy for good defensive technique. Ultimately lasting success in Test cricket depends on having really good players working together as a team. One objective measure of goodness is the ICC Test player rankings. England have 3 of the top 20 batsmen in the world and 2 of the top 20 bowlers. For comparison, Australia have 4 and 4 respectively, and India have 5 and 4 respectively. In a 11-player team, these numbers mean something. Factor in that neither of England's two top 20 bowlers will be playing the Ashes in Australia in 2025 and you have to rely on Archer and Wood to be injury free if you want to have bowlers with some experience. It doesn't look promising.

Australia is not worrying about england, they're more worrying about india for next bgt. Only England people are hyping next ashes. Aus players know who are more competitive to them in their own backyard.

The problem with England is they just keep thinking of ashes.

The pitches during ind vs eng series, were the best india as offered any visiting team in last 5 years.

England miraclulously won the first test by bare 28 runs, and were barely competitive in 4th test and were spanked around brutally for the other tests. In all honesty, sirs, your analysis of English performance is getting blinded by the glamour of fast paced slogging of "bazball". If England could have managed a 2-2 in this eries, one could say India should have won 2018 series 2-1 rather than losing 1-4. What's England W/L ratio in current WTC cycle? 3/6, England sits at the bottom of the table. It works on lesser teams better teams will simply outplay you. Australia and India have already proven it, SA and NZ can very well match it. Hardly any good test teams left are there?

There were so many players who did aggressive batting at the start of their innings way earlier than what we are seeing now as a new fad. From the legend Don Bradman, Vivian Richards, K Srikanth, Vinod Kambli, Sanath Jayasurya, Virendra Sehwag, Gilchrist , M Hayden, H Gibbs, ABD and eventually M Slater and that carried onto English team during his coaching which English people have got this crazy obsession of Labeling nonsense which is so alike Americans too who do the same, *Labeling Forced Fad Branding culture*. They labelled this and promoted it as if they invented it and aggressively talk about it if no one ever done it, and each time they beat around it as, "This is not that, that is not this" kind of argument. Rather than running around labeling and promoting, just accept that there are players who played it far better and effectively and has been for ages than all these. Than more than trying hard to self proclaim as ITS ENGLISH STYLE, you can just play and win. And winning makes a huge difference. Indians who did played this many times before just played and won. Simple. They weren't running after labeling bullshit and promoting it as if THEY DID THIS kind of ego trip. England team currently need a clear headed straight forward self introspective Coach and just like that a Captain who just speaks facts, than all these nonsensical trumpeting of BS. The current fad team is filled with American idea of turning Cricket into some kind of ELITE SPORT JUST FOR THEMSELVES played in air conditioned stadiums. So are their players speak the same way infront of media, as if no one knows how to play the game, and no one ever played.

Good Spin will take out Bazball 9.5 times out of 10.try Bazball against Kuldeep Yadav

4-1 was absolutely fair. What all experts and England are missing is they do not have 7-8 bowlers competing for 4 spots. Till they have a bowling attack thats well rounded. In Tests they will fall short. Batting might win a game or two. Series though are won by bowlers. Too much emphasis on batting and not enough on bowlers.

Just because they gave it a name - "Bazball" doesn't mean they invented it. Many players have been doing it for so many years.

There is absolutely no doubt that India has killed Bazzball. Bazzball is just an overhyped concept in English cricket and a ridiculous excuse to show how pathetic England team is in foreign soil. You can call it bazzball or whatever else, there is no way to survive Indian dominance! Period.

Eng are not thinking to win test matches but just ficus on ashes..overhyped team.. they need to shown that hey belong to no.10

Ashes Ashes Ashes jeez! The obsession

In the last 5 - 6 years which team has been better at winning in overseas conditions, England or India?. Stats says it's India, but hardcore English fans says its England

Bazball kinda worked in test for a while and woosh gone, the same thing was applied in ODI and the result is infront with ODIWC performance, last but not the least T20WC I actually thought that it'll work in t20s and ENG would be the champions again because of bazball approach but I was wrong. Time for ENG to approach every format as it is and give respect to the format, also play the pitch and situation instead of looking for glory & moral victory✌🏻

Test cricket is a different ball game. The rules are different and play accordingly. You can make it more exciting by changing the rules rather than changing the methods of playing the game.

I must admit, every time I see the heading "bazball" in a video, I see an ex-English player or an English commentator explain what it is, and how it's different than what people think. England, meanwhile, still sits at the bottom of the WTC table and hasn't won a series against India or Australia. And of course, they are always preparing for the next Ashes.

The defensive option doesn’t work for England batters because they don’t trust their defense. You hav to be technically solid to know how to defend in challenging conditions.

Actually...In any format ...If the pitch is not flat England team will struggle against any big teams ( India , Aus , NZ, SA ...even Afg ) ... that's the reality Nowadays except Buttler all the batters of this England team are careless ( not selfless) ... without knowing the conditions of the pitch

England team started hyping Bazball in 2016 and it worked great for them, 2019 was a prime example of that. They were ruthless and the mind games were plenty on display. As with every ploy, it chips off slowly before coming to a full stop. They got caught rather opposition started reading their game pretty well especially Australia and India. England needs to come up with something new.

I think Australia started aggressive way of batting in tests. They averaged 4+ in their batting when rest of the teams were below 3. And yes Sehwag upfront as an opener helped our team to score quickly. But Baz ball I feel its more than batting. Its taking aggressive decisions with our giving opposition time to breathe whether its batting or fielding.

They're still spouting the bs about playing without doubt or fear etc.. in some ways I'm surprised. Harmison was a pro cricketer. Is he saying he played with fear and doubt? What about his peers? Now he was a bowler but "Bazball" is really all about batting. Did Hammond, Hutton, May, Dexter, Boycott, Gooch, Edrich, to name a few, lack the mental strength now shown by mediocrities like Crawley, Duckett, Pope? But more than , that the 1,000s of cricketers who wore the 3 lions before them: did they all have it wrong, waiting for Baz McCullum to show them the way? No, the fact that they made it to test level means they had the necessary belief in their abilities. It's the sheer ignorance of it all that gets me. And the arrogance, born of ignorance. Witness Stokes telling people that seeing him enriched their lives. Everyone who played test cricket wrestled with doubts and fears and some overcame and some didnt. Playing "white ball" batting works against weak teams but not against equals or betters. Playing aggressively goes back to Warwick Armstrong in Oz and has been carried forward by Bradman, Benaud, Chappell, Waugh and now Cummins to name a few. Yes, perhaps, it's not been the English way but Illingworth was pretty aggressive as, in his own way, was Brearley. The "bottom line" was well-stated by Kimber: a lineup of bats with averages in the 30s (Root excepted, Brook to be seen) isnt going to get it done vs India and Oz.

Any method is good as long as u can produce results. Or should rethink if being bullish is good? Or go back to drawing board and try another strategy

Would love to see Sam Hain at 3 however, he doesn't do it for Warwickshire and therefore, unlikely.

England played better then any traveling team in recent years. But it's also a fact ,the pitches were not land mines like other team got in the past .

Every English cricket expert has been hell bent on propagating bazball as the greatest evolution in test cricket. They got beaten comprehensively in India but still not woken up to reality. Jarrod is correct in saying mediocrity of English batters forces them to play aggressively and try to hide their shortcomings.

Bazball is good if only 1-2 players play in the aggressive way,while other players consolidate the innings....if the whole team will tun with same gear, there are higher chances of collapses,which happened many times with england....one or two aggressive players are there in almost every good test side,cause they are the game changers,while if whole team does that,it is gonna fail

Let me tell you folks that series didn't kill bazball. It murdered it. Yesterday England was going at max 4.72 against windies. You know Jaiswal and Rohit went at 7.23 against England at one stage. Let me tell you 18 months from today BazBall would be put to coffin in Adelaide, Australia 1st Test.

R.I.P. BazBall

Why nobody is talking about how India played without their full strength batting strength (only Rohit and Gill was there)... cause when India won the series in Australia in 2018 everyone was saying that it's because Smith and Warner was absent

I generally like steve harmison commentary and analysis. Issue in india is that Kuldeep and Axar Patel are clever spinners. You cant hit them out like they can do with ashwin. Ashwin need beach sand dust bowl pitch , otherwise he is a weak spinner. Kuldeep and axar is beast even if pitch give small amount of spin. Key though indian crowd energy. The 12th man with smart spinners. There is only team can mirror what england does on bazball is australia. Aussies will route england. aussies are ok team but they are smart team

Jarrod is simply wrong about how the English bats "change the length" of the bowlers. That's what separates great from good, good from mediocre from the the invention of cricket and at every level.! Great bats dont allow bowlers to set a length. Most bats cant do this. Consider the GOAT - Bradman. Bowlers had nowhere to bowl to him. If it were a hair short he'd pull it; if it were a hair long he'd drive. This is true of the all the greats subsequently. The idea that bowlers cant find a length because Pope is slogging is ludicrous. They know he, and others, might get away with it for a while (in the India innings they cite he was incredibly lucky) but he's a 35 average. As for the sweep and reverse sweep putting the fear of god into spinners, just replay recordings the India series. Total disaster. Even Root drank the koolaid and only became himself when he stopped with the sweeps. (To be pedantic, they're "laps" not sweeps. A sweep is a perfectly fine shot to a ball on leg or outside; a lap is the same stroke to a ball on the stumps or outside off. Reverse sweeps are incredibly stupid because a ball outside off can garner an lbw which is not the case for an actual sweep; they make certain amount of sense in whiteball but none in redball.

I felt that bazball or what ever it was made test interesting even in Indian series even made Indian team play the same bazball if u check Jaiswal and Sarfaraz but it was fantastic series

Bazball work against minnows team like pak zim ireland WI Bangladesh sl😂😂😂😂but they totally demoralized by big team like india australia South Africa 😂😂😂

All this talk... anything other than 5-0/4-1 aus will be a shocking result

BAZBALL was a good thing for test cricket and it was good thing India were able to beat in our backyard .... cos test matches need such innovation or else it's difficult to survive in the face of T20

Bazball requires pitches extremely batting friendly(Pakistan) or extremely bowling friendly(South Africa).

We didn't have bumrah, Ashwin, Jadeja or we would have beaten india. What a dumb argument. It's like us saying if ms dhoni had Anderson,broad with him he would have beaten England in England. U didn't have them bcz ur system doesn't prioritise spinners.

Jarrod spot on 💯

Australia used to play at 5rpo during 2000s in Tests. Cut the crap out.

Put whatever spin on it you want - the earlier much touted BazBall which worked vs weak teams, was decimated by India. <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="241">4:1</a> is a total drubbing !!

batting down the wicket, reverse sweep etc is nothing to do with 'bazzball'... these things were done by Pant a long time back in Test cricket!

Joe root would have had 2 more centuries if he would have played his natural game which later on after 3 tests he realized it.

Concentrate on winning the west indies series, then talk about the ashes

@<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="190">3:10</a> England aren’t 1-2 players away from doing good in Australia, they are like 4-5 players. Openers are average, joe root always struggles in Australia, Harry brook will get out being too positive, pope played one great innings and that’s it, without Anderson even your bowling is weak. I give you guys no chance at all in Australia

I think England will now import a lot more players just like they did before 2019 WC

Bazbollocks

The first test was a gift from KL Rahul to England. India should have won 5-0. That was more reflective of Englands slam bam approach🎉

You can bazzball when you bat. You can't bazzbowl. When you bazball, the opposition has got more time to bat. And bat normally. That is almost like gifting the opposition a win.

I think in next 4-5 years india is going to be the team who will dominate test cricket . Looking at other teams who can challenge india is england and australia and they are already in declining there bowling attacks are becoming weak ..after jimmi and broad there are no bowlers at that level to represent them and on the other hand australia did not have quality spinner and opening slot is also vunerable and indian bowling attack is getting better by inclusion of atshdeep . ❤

British discovered Sehwag from old video, with a carrier Test match Strike rate of 82.23, with 23 hundreds and 32 fifties and couple of 300 scored in a single day. Looted Sehwag play to make it their own discovery of a new fancy name Bazball, just like the stole "LOOT" word from India long time back. Story to relate - British Husband (looking at sun) : "look honey that shiny white ball in sky i just discovered after all that rain, I am going to call it Fireball" Wife ":What a idiot its been there SINCE BEFORE YOU WERE BORN" PS: And Before Sehwag, there was Viv Richards, sorry to say british were too late to the party.

Who is that guy to the right?? He is very logical.

What is BazBall?

So basically these guys are saying england need better, fit fast bowlers, a solid wicket keeper, a solid number 3, and solid number 4,5,6 and maybe they can win. Thanks for your expert opinion😂.

Bazball has dented the cricket off england bring good players

Lol of course. All you need is Burmah, Ash, Jaddu to beat India in India.