It's very obvious what Lila saw. Haze coming out of the TV to smack her face and take back the butterfly miraculous, so we can finally end MLB and stop waiting in pain for further seasons all our lives 😂 👌
I hope he just writes more comic books. The Author seems to be allowed to do that without having to jump through streaming rights. Tell him to ask a few lawyers.
I've been saying this ever since The Supreme was mentioned and saw the lightning stuff. In the season 5 finale we see all of the characters from the previous specials, and then we get another new special which takes place before the finale. No other character from the special appears in the season 5 finale meaning if every special has a cameo it MUST be The Supreme. (Also, the scene with Marinette detransforming for Gabriel clearly alludes to the special, so we know it was planned beforehand)
This would be soo good. Then it will feel more darker as there will be a more evil villain that the heroes might not know and lila is a facade. Then after this arc would be more Supreme centric.
While this may be off topic to the video, I feel like the whole "young people using the miraculous for evil slowly destroys them" thing could be a good plot point for season 6 since we saw what was happening to parallel Marinette and Adrien, so Cerise being the same age as most of the friend group and her using the butterfly miraculous for evil meaning she'll slowly destroy herself as the season goes on, potentially to a point of no return where she can't be helped like Gabriel after cataclysming himself.
I think they could be able to stop this by remembering to transform back. As proven by Gabriel ✨babes✨ you can de-transform and the butterfly miraculous power effects are still there unlike ladybug’s lucky charm.
Something I've been thinking about since the reverse special is that we know that atleast four of the miraculous have been used by the same holders as the main universe (Gabriel, Marinette, Adrien and Emilie) so it's not much of a stretch to assume that the other miraculous are also being used by variants of their holders from this universe or not being used at all. Similarly, we know that the resistance exists in that universe and has some of the members from our universe (Alya, Nino, Max, Markov and eventually Marinette and Adrien). So, here are my theories: 1) The resistance consists of everyone who's in the resistance in our universe. 2) Gabriel seems to be the only one in the resistance with a miraculous so all the miraculous held by the member of the resistance in their universe are either out of commission or being held by someone who's used them atleast once in our universe. Going by that theory: A) the fox along with most the zodiac miraculous probably aren't being used since they're only ever shown being used by the members of the resistance, Gabriel, Marinette or Adrien, none of whom have them in that universe. B) Luka could still have the snake miraculous since I'm not sure if he (along with Kagami and Felix) is a member of the resistance. Secondly, Emonette mentions a boyfriend who "thinks she a total loser" and most of the fandom theorizes that she might be talking about Luka, so he might be evil in that universe. C) The bee miraculous is being held by either Chloe or Zoe. We know that Chloe's still a bad person in that universe so that's not unlikely. Zoe could have gone down the same path Marinette did in that universe since she's also been bullied by Chloe in our universe. D) The turtle miraculous is being by Master Fu (who might be the Supreme). Mini Theory: In "Feast" Master Fu says that he was resentful about being forced to leave his home and having to watch the miraculous for 24 hours without food and this is what leads to him ACCIDENTALLY creating Feast and destroying the temple. But what if in that universe it wasn't an accident and he intentionally destroyed the temple and stole the miracle box(es).
Oooo I kind of hope so of the kids there are evil lol. But I doubt Luka, assuning he’s good there, would use the snake. It’s pretty powerful. I doubt the supreme would hand it out to be honest Oooo love that idea for Fu!
@@hazeclarkeMaybe he blocked the snake’s power somehow, so he would know if the power was being used or something like that since he gave the two most powerful miraculous to 2 high schoolers (wonder why, though I mean Adrien, maybe because he knew Gabriel was Hesperia/Betterfly…..but why Marinette, in our world he tested their kindness, so in this one perhaps he tested all the potential holders or something. It seems that it was that way there simply to match our world, and maybe it was, maybe he came there before?)
I keep telling myself that the Supreme is a villain that's too big to be put off. We have to see that being eventually. Most likely in the Miraculous Ladybug Night Mission Special!
To me it's clearly the supreme , i've made a theory saying he had wished to have Gimmi's powers for himself which can explain how he made Tikki & Plagg unables to unify , so perhaps he decided to take care of the situation after feeling Gimmi's presence in "re-creation" knowing that he could be a threat for his tyranic reign.
Hear me out: What if what she saw was a mirror, and it scared her so much how ugly she looked with that short hair that she forgot it was her for a second.
I think the idea is amazing. I think that the portal thing can work with the rooster and the horse miraculous too because the horse gives off a blue effect.
This would be so cool.. If she teamed up with the supreme we would know what he's like.. and not only would they be a bigger threat to their worlds.. but they would be a universal threat to every universe and tbh.. having him team up with Lila, interferring with another universe (our universe) to team up with her.. I'm not going to be surprised if Lila is Manon.. because if they team up.. then that means they're messing with time... because they're villains.. and they obviously could if they wanted to.. and Lila and Manon trapped in the same universe could be a consequence of The Supreme's abuse of power.. idk.. but it would be pretty cool to see them fight at the end.. I feel like they might have a foster father/daughter relationship, where he is just manipulating her... and using her for his evil plans.. and she might like the affection of having a father figure.. It might even be a relationship like Silco and Jinx from Arcane.. and ngl.. I'd be down to see this, because maybe Lila might end up taking out the supreme because of the time stuff he caused and how that impacted her.. but she might end up regretting it and tbh, I can see her getting more unhinged from there.. but that's just my new theory.. if we go from this.. THIS IS JUST A THEORY/PREDICTION THAT I AM MAKING based on this theory.. (I HAVE NO EVIDENCE OF THIS HAPPENING) Cool video :)
Another Theory is that Amelie and Felix are running a con and are actually baddies still and it is Argos who attacks Cerise as he could have followed her back to her hide out. The reason one might think that is that the teleportation effect isn't the same as seen in the reverse special. I do think they have plans to keep using Tomoe as a villain in some sense too though. That said Thomas did say The Reverse Characters will show up again, but he also said the same about the other specials and yes the did but it wasn't in any way satisfying of useful when they did it seemed more like just a means to pad the running time. I doubt the baddie from the other dimension would be that interesting if it is just Fu. Maybe they should make them someone else entirely like Fei's dad, Colt Fathom, Mr. Lee, Audrey, Tomoai or even Fei herself (she was a criminal after all). Kagami is likely to young to be a criminal mastermind though, so Lila herself being the baddie is also unlikely too. I think an Evil Fu wouldn't be that exciting and they can't use Su Han for story reasons and also because they destroyed any validity that character could have had now. It's shame that they won't ever judge Fu for giving power to 13 year olds even though they judged The Supreme for doing so to Shady & Claw.. I suspect this whole plot is just a means to artificially extend the end-point of the show and isn't really an organic story that need to be in the franchise at all.
@@hazeclarke I think when you have someone like Felix he only has a few things they'd do with him. Kill him to make Kagami evil Say if they make him evil then have ladybug kill him to make Kagami Ladybug's enemy Have him betray Kagami and the Miraculous team and maybe Adrien then die in battle I can't see them not killing him, I just think that is what he's "for". I don't think the have the guts to have Ladybug outright murder him though let alone have Adrien blame her for it, the show isn't that brave. to give Adrien a reason to hate her. Even if I think that would make for a much more impactful story and please the lukanette shippers long term Mostly as I don't think they are prepared to own up to how horrifically dull Adrienette would be for another 3 seasons without breaking it in one of several ways. I don't think the ship is wholesome at all though so I am bias I tend to see Ladybug as a Gabriel 2.0 in training.
@@90lancasterhonestly I don’t think they should’ve gotten together without the identity reveal and proper conclusion to the love square There were a lot of theories back in the day about Felix and Lila becoming a mirror dynamic to Marinette and Adrienne
That's a very good theory! I also thought that light at the end of the finale was a portal, and that it would be the Supreme hopping in. But it'd totally make sense for them to use the Rabbit!
This sounds like a solid theory. I could see that being the case. I didn't think Lila would be working alone. A somewhat-silent partner sounds more feasible.
@@hazeclarkeI remember back in the good old days when people were doing fan arts of Lila and Felix as a couple being an evil mirror to Marinette and Adrienne. There was even mirror love square fan art of Lila being into Felix but him being well Felix while Argos flirted with Lyla wearing the butterfly Miraculous. Guess that concept is flushed down the toilet now, shame I do still love the idea of Lyla having a partner of some kind, perhaps the supreme? Perhaps another being
It has to be the Supreme. Since Claw Noir and Shadybug are no longer on his side, my guess is that the Supreme wants revenge on our heroes for helping them find a better path. Since we learned what happens if a underage minor uses the miraculous for evil, overriding the restrictions without transforming back whenever they use their powers repeatedly, I’m assuming it’s gonna happen to Cerise if she gets the affliction black veins too. If her reversed counterpart is the opposite of a liar, she’s probably an honest person. Maybe that’s why the Suprene is looking for someone like her as a liar or that he’s looking for someone who has the butterfly brooch.
@@hazeclarke It makes me feel that both Gabriel and Cerise are related or not. Cerise’s full name is unknown. Just like the world has never heard of Gabi Grassette like he doesn’t exist or simply disappeared. I have a feeling she has to be related to him. Maybe abandoned by him when she was born or put in an adoption. Cerise is definitely gonna not regret anything because she doesn’t care who she hurts. She is aware of lying but she has no idea that her sins will be a heavy price to pay. False identity is usually illegal but I believe it’s a punishable penalty. I sure hope the new school checks every history records or a ‘real’ person’s name instead of fake ones. Living a fake life doesn’t always mean to get what you want because she will always be a fraud, a con, a phony, a liar. There’s no place in dream come true for that when she’s always gonna be a liar. For what I think, she’s already abandoned her real life and her actual real name identity she used to be until she decides to take drastic measures.
Hmmm, it does seem like a more likely explanation since everything else.........well almost everything else has been ruled out. Also, what about a combination of the horse miraculous and the rooster miraculous? The horse's power 'Voyage' emits somewhat of a blue-green light which is nearly identical to the one surrounding Lila with maybe a little boost from the rabbit. So say that the Supreme has been using the Rooster or Rabbit to have some kind of foresight or observe the reality that Hesperia, Shadybug and Claw Noir went and witnessed Monarch's end. He also somehow sensed that a wish was made and chose this time to plot his revenge without the time travel thing. So the Supreme, tracks the whereabouts of the alternate butterfly miraculous and encouters Lila with a combination of the horse and rooster which catches Lila off guard and proves that there are actually things that scare this witch. The Supreme could teach Lila what he knows about the butterfly that Gabriel never knew while sadistically leaving out the consequences of using the Miraculous too long like he did with Shadybug and Claw Noir too which unlike Shadybug and Claw Noir instead leads to Lila not physically decaying but mentally like Gabriel but without the Cataclysm effect further derailing any understanding of right and wrong that Lila has. There's also the possibility of an EVOLUTION situation and I'll elaborate. Remember in the episode EVOLUTION where there was this time loop situation that occurred in Ladybug and Chat Noir's pursuit of Monarch? Well, in this situation, a future villain version of Lila like two or three months ahead goes back in time to when she first got her hands on the butterfly miraculous as a last ditch effort to escape as the future Lila is probably cornered or about to lose or something. Now, once in the past, she encounters her past self after somehow replicating the power of time travel or stole Bunnyx's watch or something. Future Lila comes to the past to correct the flaw in her plan that her past self made and guide past Lila with her experience. There's also this twist for this scenario and season 6 that I had crazy dream about; • We end season 5 with Lila and the light and begin Season 6 with Lila starting her reign of chaos as the new Hawkmoth but the twist is that this Lila isn't our Lila but a future or alternate Lila. It turns out that in the season 5 end scene, the ball of light is a future or alternate Lila who meets current Lila and double crosses her by trapping her in a pocket dimension in between timelines or a different timeline thus forcing our Lila to go through a harsh redemption journey after being betrayed by herself. So Future or Alternate Lila is the one causing chaos until the heroes find real Lila in whichever place the alternate sent her. Whether Lila changed for the better or not, I have idea because that's where the crazy dream ended. 😂😂😂😂😂 Also, I can't shake the feeling that even if Gabriel paid for his wish with his life, there's still some form of consequence that's supposed to affect the world in some way what connects to Lila and the alternate reality but for now that consequential twist is biding its team until season 6 where something in this new reality is supposed to be out of place or is supposed to be Lila's motive maybe.
Lol honestly im not even all that confident in this theory either XD hmmm would you need the horse here? It seems the rooster will do that Ooooo I love your ideas for Lila!
I LOVE this theory, it makes sense and it'd be so cool!! It'd give the Re-verse special even more meaning and more purpose and stuff and I'd love that! I do also gotta add that seeing Shadybug with her good-person hair just pisses me off because her own hairstyle was FANTASTIC and this good-person hairstyle just looks... dull-
I’m Wanting To See A Season 6 Episode Where Shadybug And Claw Noir Will Return,But Even I Want To See The Miraculous Superhero Team Being A Bit Confused For Their First Time Seeing Doppelgängers Of Ladybug And Cat Noir,And They Will Be Like*Hey,What Are You,An Imposter Or A Doppelgänger*
Ohhh I love your Theory Bestie 🤩 It sounds so interesting ! And thus Lila working together with the Supreme to cused chaos around Paris! PS : I know that Lila will be the villian for season 6 but i Dont Think that she is going to Show her villiany side opently to Paris. I Think she will rather make herself Look like a hero in Order to make Ladybug and cat Look like fools or something like that!
What if their was another lost Miraculous out there and the Supreme has it, since the Rabbit represents Time and the Time is Infinite but Limited, because in fundimentals of Time, if someone were to go back in Time in the main universe, you can only alter History on that specific earth within the multiverse, say for example I go back in time to the Great Gold Rush and find a gold nugget and place it in the bank say for 300 years and leave a note for the bank to let my current self know about the account, I would be very very rich right now, but the time changes would only effect this earth and not the earth that Shadybug and Claw Noir came from, but what if their was a Miraculous out there that can effect Space.
@@hazeclarke Thx, I watched the WB series The Flash and it had the Multiverse in it and in the 3rd season of it The Flash went back in time to save his mother from being killed by the Reverse Flash and changed the timeline, but later on in the season 2 people came from Earth 2 the Doppleganger of Harrison Wells came back to Earth 1 with his daughter Jesse who became a speedster back in the 2nd season and soon realized that their have been changes on Earth 1 and Harrison figured out that Barry went back in time and changed it and since Harrison and Jesse came from another earth, the changes to the timeline that Barry made on earth 1 didn't effect them since they came from another earth.
I saw a fake season 5 theory that could work for season six. Lila lived a happy life in the future with her family and baby brother until one day something tragic happens to her parents that end up killing them. Bunnix then comes and takes Lila and her baby brother to the orphanage in the current show time. The two stay there but are eventually separated when the baby gets adopted first. Sadden by her separation from her brother, Lila figures out that she needs to get the help of ladybug to restore everything to what it once was. So Lila manipulates 3 women to adopt her not only so she can get closer to where ladybug lives but also to ful her need for parental support. After ladybug makes her first appearance in season 1, Lila makes some Lila to her other moms so she can live with ms rossi who lives the closest to all the akuma attacks. Thats when she first appearance in season 2 and lies to everyone. Now because she lies she gets humiliated by ladybug and a spark of hatred lights inside her. Now Lila goal is to destroy ladybug and get her miraculous so that she can make the wish for a perfect family again.
I really hope this is what they plan on doing, it would be so refreshing and interesting to see a newer plot compared to the senti monster stuff and the agreste arch
This is off topic but I was watching Teen Beach recently. So like when it got to the song Can’t stop singing I thought it fit the episode Frighteningale. More specifically the part where they got hit and to sing and rhyme or else they would freeze.
While I can see tbe Supreme coming over to maybe recruit Lila or something like that, it makes me wonder why because we know that the goal in the Paris Special was for Shadybug and Claw Noir to get the butterfly miraculous back from Gabriel and obviously now with Shadybug and Claw Noir fighting in the resistance is making things difficult for him so this is probably a last ditch effort, but why now? Also, in my opinion while I can see Su-han or Fu being the Supreme as there's a lot of ways that could happen. I wonder if the Supreme are actually the Nazis or whoever was the person who was chasing both Fu and Marianneback in WW2 as they could've capture Fu and is forcing him to share all he knows about the miraculous to control the world mostly Paris right now. With what happened in the Paris Special obviously something changed and the resistance are winning so this could be a last ditch effort to win or come on top if it means teaming up with someone and probably double crossing Lila and Lila double crossing the Supreme as they are horrible people.
that's why i think he's fusing time travel with this! he probably saw gabriel would have been useless, but lila isn't, so travelled forward you know you're not the only person who's mentioned the nazis!
@@hazeclarke yeah because while I can understand Master Fu turning evil because of the burden that comes with being the guardian of the miraculous box and could be corrupt with power but with what happened in Feast and the amount of guilt he felt because of it I doubt he'd turn evil especially because I don't remember if they mentioned how long the Supreme is in power. Then, we have the flashback in Backwarder and Ladybug and Chat Noir witnessing Fu and Marianne running away from the Nazis and with the universe where the Supreme being different I wonder the moment when Fu separated from Marianne, they caught Fu and forced him to share all he knows and come into power.
Imagine the supreme being Chloe😂 ☠️. But in serious thought i hope they don't make chloe the supreme and the supreme could be someone unexpected, someone we never thought that it could be. But I think that maybe if your theory is correct than the series took a darker approach but storytelling wise a more interesting approach and it would kind of make sense because of how the superhero genre is obsessed with multiverses especially marveland it could make the story feel fresh and exciting. The supreme could be an unknown Gaurdian like maybe the creator of these miraculous then we would learn a bit more about it's origins. But another theory is that whatever it is disturbed lila and instilled fear into her eyes maybe something scary from her past or someone or I would go with your theory.
🤔 Wait. Lila being surprised didn't happen in the finale, but during Recreation? I guessed that it was a future version of her going back in time to teach her how to use the Butterfly Miraculous... 🦋 😏
The supreme could also be the one who created them miraculous, they’re probably or Hitler. It probably won’t be Hitler but it is possible because in a flashback we see that Hitler was after the miraculous
@@hazeclarke They seem a bit vague if the whole lot were created in China 5,000 years ago or if multiple people discovered a means to tie a Kwami to a jewel and each place made their own box independently.
I like your idea haze. Well but I thought bad guys in cartoons like too wear black clothes? Got to go tomorrow's thanksgiving ahh so much dishes are in my kitchen sink. haze I hope you have a good thanksgiving.
This is a great idea I mean it could possibly be true cause it makes more sense but if it’s not then what is it what made Lila so scared I mean it’s gotta be because of the reverse special right btw love the video ❤
When he use one or two Miraculous, then maybe the snake and the Rabbit. He would never give them to anyone else as himself. Some say it is Null maybe, but i don't know.
It may be Master Fu as he was the one originally that gave Marinette the miraculous of the Ladybug and in this one the opposite happened that the Feast senti monster was made from anger instead of hunger as Master Fu got angered by the guardian's hard training on him and used the Senti as his advantage by destroying the temple and maybe stealing any miraculous from the temple and leaving with Feast or tripped over lost the butterfly and Peacock jewels my guess he took Feast with him or Feast became out of control for him and he renounced him. Though I can picture a little Feast sitting on the Supreme's lap and the Supreme stroking him as his pet or special kwami.
Miraculous season five be like Adrien: Marinette and I are no longer friends. Marinette: ADRIEN THAT IS THE WORST WAY TO TELL PEOPLE THAT WE’RE DATING!!!
Personally I want more seasons maybe ending at season 10. I would like the next 5 seasons to be a bit more mature and have some darker themes, like the “reverse special”. If the reveal doesn’t happen in season 6, I’m going to be so mad 😡. I have read some of the “Fan Comics” and wow do they get dark, but also have some better storytelling.
Hold on… the miraculous RU-vid channel hasn’t posted a single thing about cerise at the end! (What at this video is based on) I think something big is about to happen they don’t want to spoil it for us. Just like representation s5, they didn’t post about it, and yes I know theses don’t correspond to each other but still, would you rather have no legs to your table or one leg? (In this case a very wobbly one)
It seems possible but why would the Supreme recruit Lila, who although quite manipulative is basically just a child……I mean if he has the rooster and bunny miraculous then why not make a deal with adult Lila, (since then her powers wouldn’t have a time limit like Ladybug and Cat Noir) or just steal the miracle box of that world which if he is master Fu then he would probably know when to steal…….then again Monarch could’ve done it in Evolution but he didn’t I feel like it could be the Supreme but what if it’s Time Tagger…when he time travelled it had a blue or green light..not sure which. Edit:Nevermind, it was green
A question I have is if Lila is even from their dimension, since she lies all the time and if the thing showing up is the supreme (which is just such a cool theory), is she scared because she knows who it is ?
@@hazeclarkeIt could also be because that thing is creepy, but I just found her reaction to be a bit odd, I mean after even helping villains, why is a portal or a new villain so scary ? But yeah, so many theories, I just hope we get the answer soon ^^
One question? Why is Sabrina not wearing a swimsuit for summer like everyone else? (Grownups don’t count) is this worth atleast a small theory? Simple answer: Chloe. But Chloe’s not there. Boring answer: animators forgot. ????
To be honest I hate how it ended it felt rushed and to many things happening and it felt forced and how can they Adrian and Maranet start together but Maranet finishes alone. It would have been great the big reveal of Gabriel being Monarch to his son Adrian who is Catnoir for real this time and not just a written of possibility and how can what Gabriel did be called a sacrifice he was dying literally decaying but has enough life to be a sacrifice Gimme got scammed hard and Marrinet lost she let her gaurd down and got beaten again imagine if Gabriel was heartless and truly mad
