Plot Twist: Lila has mastered the ability to lie so good that she can lie to the audience and make them see things that aren't there. The next season begins, and we see nothing of this blue lighting ever again.
Lila is the true mystery of this whole series, I could never understand what she really wanted because, every time her wishes came from a horrible place.
what I think happened at the end of the season: Gabriel wished for the peacock miraculous to have never been damaged, which explains why Emilie is there and Nathalie is in full health. As explained by Gimmie, each wish has a 'sacrifice', so the sacrifice to Gabriel's wish was that the Butterfly miraculous is destroyed in its place, so those blue lightning bolts are the butterly miraculous damage
I can't wait for season 6. Another thing I really hope they mention chat blanc we know they haven't forgot about it but we need ladybug to tell cat everything. Thank you Haze for always posting even after the season ends ❤
My theory behind Lila's motivation is that she is incredibly jealous and craves attention. Maybe this stems from her family abandoning her or she running from them after neglecting her. (or her family died and she was neglected in the orphanage). She constantly lies to make people LIKE HER and to make herself part of the high society. It wouldn't be surprising if she also came from poverty and was jealous of high status people like Tomoe and Gabriel. Marinette pretty much ruined her reputation at school (rightfully so) so she might seek revenge on her. Also, about the lightning in the ending, I think this is definitely Nathalie's or Gabe's illness passing onto her by the screaming after it gets dark. So for motivation: Revenge on Marinette, revenge on Ladybug, revenge for whoever gave her the illness (probably she'll take it out on Adrien or Emily). Since people didn't really forget what happened, it'd be interesting to see how she manipulates Adrien, Emily and Nathalie into not telling the world that Gabe was monarch. (Same for Tomoe)
No doubt part of the reason she took the Miraculous was revenge on Marinette + Ladybug. I don’t know if she heard Gabriel call Ladybug Marinette but if she did her hatred officially doubles
I actually love the idea of her becoming an antagonist to heal one of her mothers. I think it's an interesting idea for a long-running story to have multiple villains who became villains for the same goal of healing their loved ones - whose illness was caused by the actions and decisions of their predecessors. Like a circle of violence and hatered. The last villain could then choose not to cause more evil by sacrificing someone else for their goal, but themselves... or something like this. But I doubt it's something Miraculous's going for, lol.
Yeah, but Lila's methods are so foul and seems like she is directly attacking Marinette out of spite. Gabriel caused mayhem because he wanted the heroes to come out in order to collect their miraculous. Lila seems to enjoy watching Marinette suffer, and tries to make sure her plans do so. Not sure what the creators are trying to go for anymore, considering how everything is dragging out. Not sure how many seasons MLB will have, but I heard there will be 8 or 9?
@@sta5348 Yeah, she definitely seems to be evil and seems to be willing to cause evil even without any deeper goal for those actions I've also heard those rumors. And I also have no idea what are the creators' intentions. My impression is that they wanted to have a cool twist that there will be another holder of Butterfly Miraculous in that one past episode (cool MacGuffin) but then decided they want to adapt it for the money and hype of the new villain (the series did have a lot of fans at one point) despite not having the villain fully fleshed out (in terms of goals). Those are only my impressions, though.
I can't wait to see what Lila has in store. I honestly don't know anymore. I still think that is Gabriel's spirit. The only reason why I stick with this is because they did say that Gabriel would be in the next season in some way, and I think this is how. It is not impossible. I think it could be possible, and it could kinda make the butterfly miraculous, a more menacing miraculous as it would be haunted. As to why Lila wanted the butterfly miraculous. This is gonna sound absurd. But it makes sense, I'm just gonna reiterrate this theory I heard going around. I think Lila is from the future, and in her timeline, Bug Noire actually managed to retrieve the butterfly miraculous for some time. But then eventually Timetagger sent Lila to the past in order for her to find the butterfly miraculous. So she becomes trapped in the current universe, and she has to try ti go undercover as no one could know who she really is, as that would interfere with the current timeline. As to who she is. I think I know, and it makes perfect sense. I now think Lila is Manon Chamack. She had the same colour of hair and the same colour eyes as Manon and the same skin, so it's not impossible. She also has a picture of Nadja Chamack on the board for some obscure reason, and I think this is the reason why. She's her real mother, but she can't interfere with her from the past. So she gets attention from all these other women to get the attention that she lacked from her mother. Nadja is a very busy woman, and as shown in the Puppeteer, Manon is left to play with dolls by herself, or is left to get babysitted by Alya or Marinette. I also see parallels, for example, in Stormy Weather Manon, kissed Adrien on the cheek and she had her eyes closed and then she did it again, in her Lila identity in Onichan, when she took a photo of that kiss on the cheek and sent it to Kagami. Manon, is always shown to play with dolls, especially the evil ones, and her villain name is "The Puppeteer" doesn't that seem a bit too specific? She can control the actions of other people and turn them into villains, kinda how the butterfly miraculous does already, and she is the most powerful akuma villain in season 1. She also talks through the people she turned into villains, just like Lila talked through Chloe in Collusion. And my biggest point yet. They are BOTH liars. They are both manipulators and they always get their way. Manon, was always manipulative with her puppy eyes. Trying to get people's attention, and Lila does the same thing, she lies all the time to GET people's attention. They're both so very similar, and I can't unsee it. I think they're actually the same person. And it would explain why she has a grudge against Marinette more, because Marinette was someone that was her Babysitter. She liked her, but now that she sae through her lies. Manon became very angry. Bunnix here is 16, and Adult Bunnix is 28. The timeline difference to the future one is 12 years. And Manon is 4 in the show, if you add that to 12, that is 16, which is around Lila's age right now. This could also explain Chrismaster helping her as Timetagger, because he is in love with Manon and would do anything for her. So she confides in him to have such overpowered powers as time travelling. Also yes, in the Timetagger script, Timetagger does say that the future Hawk Moth is the woman that he loves, so that further proves this theory. Besides, Chris blushed when Lila booped his nose, now I don't think they did that in a weird way, I think it was more so hinting his future feelings for her as the future HM in the future. Furthermore, Manon has an overall that is purple with Lilac flowers that could've been a hint to her LILA Rossi identity. They could've planned this from the beginning, and if that's the case. Then that's amazing and I just cracked the code 💜
I don’t agree with the little “it’s Gabriel’s ghost theory!” That’s lame and Gabriel is DONE he’s GONE. If Lila wants to talk to Gabriel she can use her kwagamata which will most likely happen at one point of the show, so please stop this nonsense of a theory because i lose braincells every time someone says it.. But what I do agree with is that yea manon is definitely Lila it’s been hinted/foreshadowed way to much, especially the LILAcs and IRISes on manons shirt Id also like to mention how miraculous reused Manons model in some episodes (like the same character but different color pallettes) something tells me that wasn’t them carelessly reusing models but it was manon “switching” identities since she was young.
@@parnellomello Maybe, but I do think those Manon skins were definitely different people. However I do think it was their clever way of foreshadowing that there are different people who look like Manon, just like Lila's many different identities, that look like her. About the Gabriel ghost theory. I think it's likely, but that's just my opinion 😅
@@plaggthekwami idk, but it wouldn't make sense as, Harmonie was just born, and since Lila is the Hawkmoth of the future, she'd have to be well, Lila, she'd have to be 16. Harmonie also has bluish grey eyes, and the time difference from the current universe to the future, is 12 years. We know this because of the ages of both Bunnix's so if that was the case. Then Harmonie/Lila from the future, would have to be 12 or 13, but she's not. It would personally make more sense for it to be Manon in my opinion, because Manon is 4 and 4 + 12 is 16, which is around the age that Lila is.
I think the next seasons is leaning towards AIs and technologies stuff. I mean we saw AIs and 'robots' more often now in the show and its more likely that Tomoe Tsurugi is going to be more involved in the next season. I say its possible that Lila and Tomoe might even make an alliance. IF that's where this is going Im guessing the finale for next season is Ladybug and Cat Noir fighting akumatized 'robots' or AIs.
I still am wondering about this, too. People have said that Lila saw: - Spectre Daddy (Gabriel's spirit, but purely evil) - Nooroo, but corrupted - The Re-verse portal - Lady Dragon's lightning - The Wish taking Lila away/giving her the illnesses - The Butterfly Miraculous is broken due to the Wish & is sparking - Timetagger coming from the future - Tamoe using a device to track the Butterfly Miraculous & is coming to steal it - Tamoe appearing & goes to manipulate/team up with "Lila"/Stacey
I saw this video it basically said cerise something like heroes day and she steals the rabbit miraculous and loses control and gets lost in time then she go's back to this time and do using many miraculous she loses her mind and her body starts lightning. PS:I don't know if this is true I just saw this in a video
rebuttal: Tomoe had access to Gaberial and by extension the butterfly miraculous, perhaps either she or Gaberial had installed some sort of tracking device that they could use to find the butterfly if it were to fall out of their hands. Now you could ask 'Then why take so long to retrieve the miraculous?' A good question that I can't answer, so maybe the re-verse theory holds more water than mine. But it is still a great video.
No matter what that light was I can definitely see it aiding Lila/Cerise with whatever her goal is. If she does want to use the wish it will definitely involve Marinette. Either Marinette will be the sacrifice or she will wish that Marinette was never born.
Felix's dad is a possibility. Seriously, how has no one questioned the continuous name dropping? Not to mention two episodes ago he was literally in the play that Felix did.
@@hazeclarkeGabriel's wish could have possibly been to reverse the effects of the peacock. Which brought back Nathalie and Emilie, but would also bring back Colt.
I would have liked to seen how Lila got the miraculous, but I'm guessing it wasn't swimming around the area, the miraculous probably went down a pipe or something and then Lila found it outside of the place where the fight happened or even outside the whole mansion, otherwise Ladybug would have found it since she used her water powers.
Actually I too had the same thought but then I had a feeling that Lila knew the wish will occur and I guess knew Gabriel would wing and therefore after the wish occurred, the miraculous came to her in the house after it fell in the water and that is how she got it.
Oh I was thinking that Lila used the robot cops that Gabriel previously made to go fetch it for her without being seen. That’s why she brought the laptop controller device with her. But I am not sure because it looked like she was doing some other stuff to the laptop
Talking about S6, I'm very scared that they will do a Cat Blanc 2, where Marinette tells Adrien about his father and then bunnix tells Mari that she never should tell him that or something in the way
@@plaggthekwamiif Cat Noir had a power up to become cat blanc it wouldn't really make sense. Since cat blanc is evil Cat Noir. So if Cat Noir became cat blanc as a Power up. It would most likely make Mari scared since of all the bad memories she has with cat blanc. But I like the theory. It would be interesting honesty.
nah bro replace Marinette and Adrien to ladybug and cat noir it makes more sense as my theory is cat noir will ask ladybug "who was monarch" then ovi she tells him. he then reveals his identity's as they he wanted to know througout the whole show then he gives his miraculous back then he gets akumitised
My theory is that Nooroo had a breakdown and turned evil. All the abuse and disgusting actions they saw or contributed probably scarred the poor thing. And being free from one evil holder only to be scooped up by another one (who’s probably even worse)? Yeah, they’re going to have a craving for genocide just to put an end to the pain. If I’m right, things are going to get really REALLY bad for The Miraculous universe. Despite being benevolent, The Kwamis are known to cause some really horrific disasters if left unchecked. Imagine how high the body count would be if one of them went full evil and actively TRIED to cause bodily harm.
Before this video I had seen speculation that this was basically a lead-in to the re-verse special but I didn't think so because the previous two specials had no continuity with the show other than the heroes who were introduced in those specials showing up in the season 5 finale. But after watching your video, I agree that it does seem like the most likely scenario, because like you said, no other theory is really plausible. (It does beg the question though of why Shadybug and Claw Noir thought that Lila had the butterfly miraculous or how they found her.)
If it wasn't Nooroo I think it was Haze from an alternate timeline coming out of the TV to smack Lila's face and snatch back the butterfly. Haze: NOOROO, DARK WINGS RISE! Becomes Lady Butterfly and akumatises gloob to seize all of their trailers for s6. Haze: OK now get back in the TV nooroo Haze: has all the gloob trailers and chills for s6 👍👍👍👍👍
Originally, I thought what the deceiver (what I call "Lila/cerise" as she doesn't really have a true known name as of right now) was Gabriel's spirit trying to take over Lila. Now I think it has something to do the upcoming paris special.
It would be a poetic justice if Gabriel was tied to Lila by the butterfly miraculous, Gabriel's thing it's not just evil or madness but respect, he didn't respect even close people and that led him to treat them like they were nothing and using the power he had over them, if he respected Adrien he wouldn't control him and make him feel bad, if he respected André he would have thought of something else instead of "exposing" André in a moment where he was opening his heart, and if he respected Nathalie he wouldn't have spoken to her like that in the episode Representation. That's why even if Lila couldn't control him like the kwamis she wouldn't respect him and maybe even mess with him psychologically, like calling him by his real name to keep remembering his past and commenting about the things happening with Adrien(and Emilie if she is alive)to make him feel bad for being stuck with her and not being able to take advantage of the wish and the lie that Ladybug told and made him a hero.
This little “Gabriel’s ghost is stuck inside the butterfly miraculous!” Theory is dumb. Gabriel is GONE plain and simple, if she wants to talk to Gabriel’s “ghost” she can just use her kwagamata or whatever it’s called
@@parnellomello I don't think that's how it works, and even if she treated him well she's the villain so she will hurt people some way, and Nooroo wouldn't like that.
My theory towards the ending is, that the miraculous is broken after the wish is made, mayyyybe the illness Nathalie had latched itself to the butterfly miraculous just to make it's next holder ill, because notice how Lila's miraculous didn't change in it's camouflage mode when she wore it, obviously the consequences happened immediately after the wish, but how would Lila know that the miraculous is broken unless she wears that herself, 2 months later.
I keep seeing people saying that she wears the miraculous at the end, but that isn't true. She simply just puts it away under her jacket as she's mumbling about Marinette. I think that she'd place it in the center of her chest or something instead of placing it like that and covering it with her jacket and it would obviously turn into camouflage mode so I don't really think it's broken either (I'm also in denial about that whole peacock miraculous's effects being reverted and stuff lol). But, I guess we'll have to wait and see what exactly happens in roughly a bit more than a year from now.
We learn in the episode "timetagger" that there would be another hawkmoth and gabriel knew this, so what if the wish was meant to affect the next butterfly miraculous holder (which he may have realised would be lila or kagami's mum or whoever) and lila only became the holder when she put the miraculous on and thats why there was a 2 month gap?
I feel like at that time they'll all be grown up at you can see that Ninos brother is like in highschool or middle school so that means Marinette and the others would be in college or smth
i dont think her goal can be to heal one of her mothers, she clearly doesn't care about them I think her being a villain just for the fun of it wud be really cool and it wud really fit her character
Scenes with characters feeling uncomfortable remind me of a time when i was 7-8 and my dad smacked me across my face. Its uncomfortable for me to watch such scenes sometimes but your voice, analysis and lovely channel makes it better and I move on from that act of violence ❤
My theory : why would lila really need the miraculouses of creation and destruction if she didn't want to make a wish I think Gabriel wished for one of Cerises mums to be sick so Nathalie wouldn't die Also where Marinette and adrien were sitting in recreation didn't emilies statue used to be there there needs to be balance I think that's why they made a statue of gabriel
I feel like it was really obvious that this was meant for the special. If it's not I am genuinely going to be shocked. XD What I think is going on here is one of two options. 1. This is a failed portal made by shadybug and claw noir. 2. This is a message from the alternative universe to warn the butterfly miraculous holder (many possibilities here). I always felt like this was connected to the special ever since I watched this scene... I don't know but it's one of those feelings XD
I have 2 theories about the light, with both the same beginning. A new villain that possess a powerful dark Miraculous designed for evil and chaos, who wants to use Cerise to help them gather all the Miraculouses to achieve infinite power and rule the Universe. 2nd theory, a new villain who, like the mage, has created magic jewels, but instead of being for good, they’re used for evil. Like dark counterparts for the Miraculouses,(personal idea: names being either the Malefic or the Maleficent). This “evil mage” wants to use Cerise to destroy the Superheroes and the Miraculouses to rule the world. Anyways, while these theories are far fetched and unlikely, I really think the light is a new and more powerful villain who wants to recruit Cerise as partner or servant.
If Gabriel chose not to kill Ladybug to bring his wife back and chose himself instead because he was dying anyway and realized Marionette is good for Adrian, then why would he choose to infect Lila (yes she plagued him as a person, but has no real reason to suspect she has the miraculous, has the knowledge he is Monarch, or even has the ability to obtain the miraculous) just because she was annoying and managed to use break free of being Akumatized. It makes much more sense he transferred Natalie's illness onto himself before switching his life for his wife's, as he was dying anyway and he was responsible for her illness due to not giving himself the information on how to repair the miraculous. I would post it on the Wish video too, but I can't see it!
Another possible theory: the flashes of lightning could connect to the Alternative Universe where ShadyBug and Claw Noir are, and Lila is their first victim.
I wished that Gabriel would have come back in a way because... ok, part of me is glad that he won, but another part of me feels like that was too easy of an ending for him, so I would like it if he came back. But that is never going to happen. Also, I think that it would have been really cool if Gabriel lost everything and became this Lex Luthor type of villain in Miraculous where he is on some, "If I couldn't defeat Ladybug as Hawkmoth or Monarch, then I will defeat Ladybug as Gabriel Agrest!" Type of stuff. And Gabriel uses his wealth, connections, and influence to his advantage, like maybe he becomes mayor, or governor, or even president, and he wages a one-man-war against all of the miraculous holders in the world like he takes away funding and resources for businesses making the businesses suffer, and taking away their homes, and messing with the school system so the kids can't go to college and he just destroys their futures and livelihoods, like he buys over Marinette's parents' bakery, he kicks them out, and he sets it on fire to where Marinette's family loses everything and they never recover, and he just does more damage as Gabriel than he ever did as Hawkmoth or Monarch proving that without any miraculous Gabriel is still powerful in his own right. That is what I wish would happen, and what "Lyla" would have seen in the ending scene, but that is never going to happen.
@@hazeclarke Sorry if it seems like this comment is everywhere, I just leave this for everyone else to see, but no one else seems to acknowledge it, not even a like.
Few things I forgot to add and therefore a new comment. I had a feeling that Lila knew the wish will occur and I guess knew Gabriel would win and therefore after the wish occurred, the miraculous came to her in the house after it fell in the water and that is how she got it. I have the feeling that Nooroo did not materialise as the "guardian" made it come off him. Like how the Kwamis disappear when their holders renounce them. Also I think Lila will be the villain for season 6 and 7 as those were to be the last ones and another villain for the last to seasons. If season nine airs around 2030, I will be 25 and still watch this show as I am 18 now.
I think Gabriel had a backup plan just in case he lost and if he lost they put a tracker on the butterfly so tomune can created a portal straight to the holder to steal it back with here 🗡️!
I had this wild theory when I first watched this episode that was a ghostly Colt coming back from the dead to be alive. I know I am probably wrong but would be cool if they brought him back in a future season to add plot and drama to the storyline.😁
Guys I don't think Gabriel sacrificed his life for his wife as Nathalie dies in the bed after she tells ladybug to detransform and that would mean 1 person other than Gabriel has to die. I think he wished that the peacock miraculous never broke at the cost of his own life. This means they both come back to life as they both died from the sickness that came after using a broken miraculous. Or the wish that the peacock miraculous was at the cost of the butterfly miraculous which explains why he died as he was the one that got sick. This also explains the lightning in the room with Lila as it might have been from putting on a broken miraculous. We never saw what happens the first time someone wears a broken miraculous. We only see that the user gets sick after the 3rd or 4th use so maybe the lightning occurs from the first time a broken miraculous is worn by a new holder
If u all remember then lila was seen in season 5, last episode when ladybug was fighting monarch underground. She saw that the butterfly miraculous fell and probably took it She might be the next hawkmoth in season 6
Okay here's my theory. What if she is a sentimonster like adrien and felix created by the future hawkmoth from the future, but she went against her programming and went back in time which explains her multiple identities and how no one knows anything about her and that is what she saw at the end of season 5
You know Sis, Anything you can come up with to never let go of Gabriel isn’t that right Bestie? 🤣🤣🤣 Honestly poor Nooroo has more trauma sharing his miraculous with his abuser 😩🥺 Love you 😘 Happy Belated Birthday Sis 🥳
Maybe the lightning is some sort of invention made by Lila and it is doing something, and it could be a very unstable and risky, so Lila is afraid of it backfiring on her and maybe the invention lightning thing opens a portal to a parallel universe being that of the into the reverse portal and the invention could have been some sort of portal into the multiverse and she wanted to go somewhere like no clue.
I have a similar theory. I have always imagined that Miraculouses have dark counterparts (my personal idea would be the Malefic or the Maleficent jewels) that are naturally used for evil, misfortune and chaos, the opposite of the Miraculouses existence. The light would be a villain that wants to use Cerise to destroy the Superheroes and rule the world. 2nd theory would be that the light is actually someone evil who uses a powerful dark Miraculous designed for chaos, and want to possess all the Miraculouses to rule the world.
@@malchior7426 I was thinking possible a Hydra, in the past we have seen miraculous users fighting many different dragons so what if those dragons were “parts” of a dark miraculous, the miraculous of Chaos! 10 rings for 10 heads each having a different ability, 5 for creation 5 for destruction. However the villain only have 3 to start out with and is gathering them all using HawkMoth as a distraction to search for them. Some of the rings could even be ones we have been such as Adrien’s Felix’s and Kagami’s which would raise the stakes a lot
@@sharkmessiah1018 I love your idea. It's great to know there are creative people full of imagination like us. Even though our ideas are unlikely, I hope something like them happens or sonething cooler and unpredictable.
3:59 until it’s said in-universe that she’s not, I’m gonna assume that’s Lila’s actual mother because, not only do they look similar, we see in “Oni” she’s clearly upset about not spending time with her. If Lila was manipulating this woman why would she be upset about that?
Ive been considering the possibility of time travel or location to location travel or maybe a new villain appearing. if its not a sacrifice move. ghosts are just as likely as alternate dimensions we haven't really had evil versions of characters either. Could also be an other thing we never had before, aliens. Honestly the show could go in any number of directions and since I don't look at any thing other then official English trailers we don't know what's panned other then that one time some one time traveled from the future to the past.
I think that it is the older version of ladybug and cat noir because if u remember when the time tagger came he said that hawk moth isn't his hawk moth from his time so it only makes sense that it's Lila and they came back before she does evil😊
I speculated before that this is Lila from the future, and I'll add that it could be Timetagger, sent by the future Hawk Moth (Lila) to the past to show the present Lila how to use the Butterfly Miraculous... 🦋 😏
Possibly, you could see a mark that looks like timetaggers under the pillow Lila was sitting on But this “teaching Lila how to use the butterfly” is kind of dumb. She’s smart enough to figure it out, it’s not hard to put two and two together when you see PURPLE BUTTERFLIES akumatizing people If anything it’s tomoe who may strike a deal with her, but can offer help like a butterfly harvesting place
@parnellomello - I'll tactfully ignore the "dumb" description of yours concerning my comment and simply point out that there was no indication that Lila had figured out how to activate the Butterfly Miraculous. It would make sense for her future self to show her how. Think of it like a loop... 😑
@@stevengalloway8052 or she can just force nooroo to tell her the commands to transform, and the details on how to make akumas like how nooroo told Gabriel… hate to break the truth but your theory is wrong. Also that would honestly be a boring start to the season. She’ll most likely use akumatizations to benefit herself in a situation, as she knows how it works. If she really wanted the earrings or ring she could’ve disguised as some helpless civilian and have a plan to snatch it off of them so the “teaching Lila how to be a villain” theory isn’t gonna work either if you decided to bring it up
Ok 4theories: When Tikki and Plagg reveal themselves you can see lightnings -> but the light is blue so idk The Miraculous is broken. Maybe it is Emily (after all it was planned for her to come back) so maybe he wished for the damages of the peacock miraculous to be undone. When Nathalie puts on the broken miraculous there are also some electric flashes It really is Gabriels Spirit. Ghosts are often portrayed as blue (in chinese ! mythology) and because her objects begin to float it really could be true! There are many ghost stories about the catacombs It’s someone from the future: timetagger is a future ally of Cerise/Lila idk anymore!?! Buuuut it also could be Lila from the future or the consequences of a future akumatization. (Could go hand in hand with my theory that Manon and Lila are the same person 😝)
if he reverses the peacock damage, that means abusive Colt is alive. and while i think it could be a spirit, we haven't had one in the show, so it's hard to say since there's no precedent for it
My theory: I mean I'm not sure about the lightning but I mean there is one kwami who is involved with lightning and that is ✨Longg✨, maybe he wanted revenge on lila for taking Nooroo away AGAIN from him. Idk, maybe him and Nooroo we're the best of buds and he couldn't handle the fact of Nooroo getting taken away from him again. 🤩Happy😎Belated 🎊B-Day🎉🥳 Hazey, hope you had a spectacular fun birthday!
@@hazeclarke he can follow her back to her hide out ig, but we didnt rlly see the other kwamis in re-creation (after the fight i think) so idrk but whatever that light was i hope it killed lila (in a polite way of course)
Now that we’ve been able to watch the special, I think it’s VERY possible that this could have something to do with the supreme! We’ve already seen the ways the miraculous can look different when used for evil purposes. What if he used the rooster miraculous to travel to their dimension.
I’m convinced this is someone from the parallel universe coming through since the trailer for the new special has a very similar blue light maybe it’s the other worlds Gabriel coming through and she’s shocked because he’s supposed to be dead 💀 plus hopefully that would then mean the special would take it from here? 😭
Im Guessing Nooroo Just Came Out And Said Nooroo: Hi Im Nooroo The Kwami Of Transmission I Give U The Power To Control Anyone U Want With Butterflys All U Have To Say Is Nooroo Dark Wings Rise
This is gonna be a bit of a longshot of a guess but at this anything's possible, is it possible that this scene might play as both a scene of the Reverse Special and a connection to the wish's consequence. We know that Lila is supposed to go through the same circumstances as Gabriel as the new Hawkmoth but since the circumstances of the consequence are vague then Lila's story is going to have a twist which is an intervention from another universe which is the Reverse Universe. So, what if this scene did occur in the Reverse Special but after Shadybug and Claw Noir have their first run in with Ladybug and Chat Noir but are defeated, so they realize somehow that if their alternate opposites are heroes in this reality then the Butterfly holder of this reality might be a villain so they seek out Lila not to take the Butterfly from her but to sway her to help them which benefits them as she hates Ladybug and Chat Noir. An important factor in this for Lila's rise as a villain is that while Shadybug and Claw Noir are evil more or less, they are still Marinette and Adrien. We know that Marinette has a tendency to plan ahead of time, so what if Reverse Marinette in some way foresaw that her hero counterpart may eventually defeat her and Claw Noir but she wanted to get the last laugh somehow, so she and Claw Noir teach Lila all they know about the Butterfly miraculous and how to use it in ways that Gabriel was incapable of and combining that Lila's sociopathic mind, Reverse Marinette will practically create in a Lila final weapon to take down Ladybug in the event of hers and Claw Noir's defeat which might be why Lila is considered a far more evil Hawkmoth than Gabriel ever was. Plus, if Shadybug and Claw Noir are the psychological equivalents to Lila in terms of personality then there's a chance that even if they are defeated, they might not be reformed, so at the end Shadybug might reveal to Ladybug that she has one ace up her sleeve and that ace is coming to destroy Ladybug so she better watch out. However, there is a concerning factor about the Reverse Teaser that has me curious about Lila, while we haven't seen much proof that Lila is in the Reverse, the Reverse and the current universes are supposed to be equal opposites to each other so while the circumstances might be different, some of them are supposed to be identical. So if Shadybug|Reverse Marinette is supposed to be the sociopathic equivalent to Lila then Reverse Lila is supposed to be the compassionate equivalent to Ladybug|Marinette so she's supposed to more or less be in Reverse Alya or Reverse Gabriel's place or at least part of the close resistance against Shadybug and Claw Noir but it was like there was no indication that she existed at all and I'm not talking about her being present in the teaser but it's like it gave the impression that she didn't exist in the Reverse Universe at all for reason. If Reverse Lila doesn't seem to exist in the Reverse Universe then how did the Current Lila exist if her alternate opposite is absent. This says that something about Lila's existence as well as her past and her presence alone may have something to do with why the consequence of Gabriel's wish required interference from an alternate universe rather than her going down the same path as Gabriel. Also, it's possible that this time the consequences of the wish might not follow the routine it usually did. Yes, there will be a consequence of what Gabriel asked for but not in the way we thought. At the end of Re-Creation, they mentioned how some time had passed after the final battle, however there was no mention of someone suddenly falling ill. If the wish did recreate reality or merge it with another reality to be equal to Gabriel's circumstances then the first thing that we should have heard is that someone who might be related to Lila suddenly fell into a coma but that didn't happen, instead we found Lila in the catacombs plotting without a care. So this means that someone wasn't completely affected but the consequence is still there and still in circulation with Lila being the villain but her motive might not be similar to Gabriel's otherwise the Reverse Universe situation wouldn't be dragged into it. So, Shadybug and Claw Noir might be needed to meet Lila to help build her villain arc before her debut as a villain to make her a bit more malicious than she already is which I didn't think was possible but I was wrong. So the stakes might be higher, Lila's motive might be more complex and the damage caused by Lila might make Gabriel's look like child's play by comparison.
Lmao the way you got this from the fake leaks, anyways no. Lila doesn’t need any “teaching” she’s smarter then Gabriel she knows how the butterfly miraculous works..
@@parnellomello Actually I haven't heard anything about any leaks, I thought of the theory based on: 1. What we've seen so far concerning Lila's actions and personality. 2. The information we have so far on the Reverse Special. 3. Any random thoughts that pop up in my head concerning Miraculous. 4. A crazy dream I had once of Shadybug and Claw Noir teaming up with Lila for some reason after seeing a lot of fanart of Shadybug and Claw Noir. Plus, I don't doubt that Lila's smart but unless she's as old as the Miraculous themselves there's probably some things about them that neither she nor we know about. Also, we don't know how the dynamic of the Reverse Universe works so it's possible that the Miraculous holders there unlocked more abilities than the holders of the Current Universe so if my guess is correct and Shadybug and Claw Noir try to team up with Lila then they could teach her a few things about the Butterfly Miraculous that neither Gabriel nor the guardians nor Marinette were able to learn about it.
Hmmmm interesting ideas! I like the idea of them teaching Lila a few things but from the synopsis of the special, it seems Ladybug’s plan is to try and turn her counterpart good so if Lila does work with them, I think it would be a one off kind of thing, just for this special Button god I am not ready to see nice reverse Lila ew no thank you! XD
I never thought that Marinette would try to reason with Gabriel. But I did figure that he'd betray her 🙄 But... what *did* Gabriel wish for? Was it Emilie in the garden with Natalie? Did he wish that he and Emilie would reunite in heaven by giving his life in return? Or... Did Gabriel wish to return somehow?? 😮
I have a theory that Adrien might find out Gabe was Monarch in the special. As they might visit the other universe and go to the basement. Also i said is insted of was, still cannot believe he is dead, at least a part of me.
I think its a different miraculous holder, like the a miraculous holder from united heroz or another show, it might be a new miraculous that is seen in a special movie that comes out before next season
My theory is that her motivation to get the miraculous, is to make a wish ,obviously. But i think her wish is to ruin marinette's life. Maybe she wants to make adrien to be with her, and about what she saw...i think that it might just be nooroo lol, but i think it is the impact of Gabe's wish, maybe he fixed the peacock miraculous and made the butterfly's broken in turn.
Ever since I watched that part I always thought that what if because it was her first time seeing a Kwami it could just be the sparks that all the owners saw for the first time
Imagine if that was the wish affecting Lila? Like… instead of Felix’ mom at the end, it IS EMELIE! I’d see that as a good motivation for her to get the ladybug and cat miraculous, cuz Gabriel must know she’s up to no good or something, as he is 100% aware of her Manipulation tactics.
@@hazeclarke I dunno… Lila dies? Or she gets the same illness Emelie has. Since we know she didn’t use the broken miraculous much, and it’s confirmed she’s in a coma, not straight up terminally ill like Nathalie was, that could be the case. But we won’t know till Season 6
In timetagger,we hear the voice and we see the actions of the future ladybug and catnoir,it means that there is another evil holder of the butterfly miraculous in season 6 so,I think Lila saw the lightning of the wish of Gabriel or the lightning of the nooro or the lightning of the true form of nooro
Let me get this straight, I see many people saying “it’s Gabriel’s spirit/ghost trapped in the butterfly!” No, it’s not. When they said Gabriel was gonna be shown in the next seasons somehow they most likely meant it by kwagamata means. Nooroo will give Lila a kwagamata which lets her talk to Butterfly holders before her. (We can expect to see a scene where Adrien has the butterfly miraculous and confronts Gabriel, possible villain arc? But that’s not the point) So please just throw the spirit theory out the window, cause clearly some 9 year old made it up. It’s most likely tomoe or nooroo, in recreation nooroo didn’t appear a SINGLE time (even before the wish which further makes the spirit theory irrelevent) there’s probably a reason they did that as Gabriel literally told nooroo to bring the brooche but nooroo didn’t bring it to both Gabriel or ladybug (kwamis can hold their own miraculous) Anywho, I’m a tomoe believer because they wouldn’t just throw her out the window after she was vital in season 5 and she’s probably mad gabriel didn’t keep his end of the deal.. but there’s a chance it’s something wrong with nooroo, possibly fed up that ANOTHER evil person took the miraculous? Maybe using his power in kwami form?
Also I’m pretty sure kwamis are forced to obey orders so she can just force nooroo to give her the kwagamata or just manipulate nooroo by treating him nicely to get what she wants
I have the feeling that Nooroo did not materialise as the "guardian" made it come off him. Like how the Kwamis disappear when their holders renounce them.
Lila: Hi guys back to me lol made me laugh but I think it could be the sign of Gabriel or nooroo true form or something or her future self but I don’t think it is but I’m just guessing
I have arrived and I have seen the finale and What. Was. That. I don’t know what to think Also…who’s going to tell Adrien? I hope they don’t leave him thinking his father is great and that there’s an arc in the later seasons of him discovering what really happened because we deserve that much
Personally, I think it is the monarch of the future(most likely Lila) either using the bunny miraculous or an Akuma villain, or some other form to get back in time
There was never a mention of Emily after Gabriel's wish in Recreation, and if Emily was really back I think Adrien would've already figured everything out and Ladybug couldn't have explained it in a way that didn't incriminate Gabriel as Monarc. Even tho we couldn't expect anything from Gabriel I do think he didn't really sacrifice anyone else besides himself, but that way he could only save Nathalie, which makes sense cause it would be meaningless to bring Emily back when he's already gone and when that was against her wishes; so I guess this way he and Emily could finally reunite and Adrien would have Nathalie to take care of him
I think that the blue lightning is a portal to a different dimension, since the new Miraculous world or Miraculous Paris will have Shadybug and Claw noir and in the Trailer we see that Alya is getting akumatized. But in one episode that bunnyx is talking about villains that ladybug and cat noir have defeated, and they look like strong villains so that means that Lila will Be a good Hawk moth or whatever.
I think that the Butterfly lighting was like when they picked up Emily and Gabriel so that exactly the way that the computer was lifted So I think that the thing is still in the miraculous kind of and show me the design by lifting it up
Hmm.. could it be that ms tsurugi figured out her computer was stolen by detecting it's location, so she managed to hack into her devices. And that's how she figured out the new butterfly holder
I believe it's some power up. When that time spray guy appeared, in the storyboard of the episode the dude says "the hawk moth from the future isn't you, it's the woman I love and she's way more powerful then you" NOW LISTEN- Gabriel had most of the miraculous, he could akumitize people and use his power limitless without detransforming, if Lila is more powerful, then she definetly needs to get some op power up
