Did Lori Deserve the Hate? | The Walking Dead 

So, clearly some of you (not all) have a hard time listening (when it comes to my breakdown of Lori's SA at the hands of Shane Walsh.). I'm going to add this fourth clarification, because clearly three clarifications in the video was not enough. Lori **is not** directly responsible for her SA. Despite her abusive and unethical treatment of Shane, prior to said assault, what happened to her **was not** justified. Shane is the one who is ultimately morally culpable for his actions. In the same light, it's not unreasonable to argue that she increased the likelihood that she would be victimized by treating someone else like total s***. It's not crazy to assert that she could've prevented that particular issue, given she somewhat incited the behavior in the same way a bully might incite a victim to go postal at a school. In fact, this is one of the reasons why people and experts want to reduce bullying. It leads not only to self-deletion but also to kids playing real life CoD at school - where their classmates are the OpFor. Bullying is clearly wrong but it can also incite even worse behavior. Be that as it may, the moral blame is ultimately on the attacker (Shane in the case of this video). We can understand this to be certainly true while also acknowledging that people expose themselves to varying levels of risk -> and it's objectively true to state that if they get victimized, they are not morally culpable for it while also simultaneously being "guilty" of behaviors that may have increased their risk of being victimized in the first place. Acknowledging this doesn't absolve the attacker from their guilt; it doesn't justify their retaliation. It merely teaches people to be better at risk management - and, in a sense, helps to save people from harm. Don't be a dick to people and your chances of harm are reduced. If you avoid knowingly dating serial killers, you might just avoid being killed by said serial killer. Bad people exist in the world. It would behoove anyone to learn how to minimize being victimized by these people. Being a victim doesn't magically absolve you of your responsibilities that you have to yourself. But, to clarify for the fifth time now, this does not mean the attacker is innocent or that they don't deserve proper punishment for their clearly unethical and or illegal actions. It does not mean that the victim deserves their harm. This isn't some dichotomy where we have to pick between these two propositions; they can both be true at the same time. And if i had to put a figure to it, a number out of 5, I'd say the attacker's culpability is a 5 and the victim (depending on the circumstances) is never more than a 0.1. Are we clear now? That's five clarifications. 👍

The biggest thing about Lori that annoyed me was how she walked around acting like The First Lady, which Carol called her as a compliment. Andrea was right during that kitchen argument. Lori walked around taking everything for granted, playing housewife and laying rules for everyone. Her main responsibility as a mother should’ve been protecting Carl but she instead kept losing sight of him and always asked others to take care of him while she caused unnecessary drama amongst the group.

She literally didn't know where her eight-year-old son was ever pretty much she's horrible mother

I don't fault Lori for her relationship with Shane. Lori was literally the devil on Rick's shoulder telling him Shane is dangerous.

RANT INCOMING: My issue with Lori is how she went about dumping Shane once Rick returned. It does make sense if she believed he ‘lied’ about Rick’s death, but let’s get into it anyway. Firstly, what are the fucking odds Rick would wake up nearly 2 full months AFTER the Apocalypse and then manage to find his family? His family, mind you, that’s in an entirely different state from where he woke up. Next Lori seemingly forgets literally everything Shane did for her and Carl. Yeah it’s poetic for him to say they saved him, and maybe that’s true emotionally, but he actually saved them, and lead the Quarry group to great success before Rick arrived. She even has the audacity to pretty much say Shane lied about Rick being dead and blames him for taking her and Carl away. Again, not considering anything. He saved her life, he saved her sons life, he’s actually providing her with stability in the literal end of the world. She never comes across to the viewer like she understood the very real possibility that Shane actually thought Rick was fucking dead. Whereas we the audience see the horrific shit show that went down at the hospital when he went to get Rick. So to me it feels like she uses Shane for survival because it’s convenient and logical, and once her husband returns she immediately gets rid of him. Even if she didn’t want to stay with Shane after Rick returned, she should’ve had an adult conversation with everyone and tried to make things copacetic. Instead she antagonized the man who saved her and her son’s life until he went fucking crazy and tried to kill her husband. I genuinely believe Shane was telling the truth to Rick when he said he never looked at Lori that way before the apocalypse. Then on top of it Lori really must have had a low opinion of Shane to take the position that if he lied about Rick’s death, it must have been malicious. That paints Shane in such a shitty light which is not what he deserved considering how much he did for her family. Lori sucks

Rick gave Shane every bit of credit, respect and understanding a man can

I’ll be honest she definitely deserves at least 95% of the blame that she gets. The relationship between her and Shane is the only thing she doesn’t deserve hate for. The moment Rick came back she doesn’t tell him about her & Shane, tries to abort the baby, denies Shane from Carl & worst of all his own unborn child, mixed signals like “Stay away from my family” to “How can you try & abandon us like that?” Shane had the right to see & raise his daughter, & had he at least been able to have that a group lead by Rick Shane Daryl would’ve been a pretty difficult group to go up against in the future!!

The relationship was fine. It was everything Lori did after said relationship's abrupt end. Pure aggrivation

The fact she would go back and forth telling Shane not to leave then being like “get away from me” 🤦

She's right Shane is dangerous. Her telling Rick that, after she told Shane to stay. Manipulating both of them to guarantee a death duel. That act isn't unjust hate, it's partly both.

Nah she taking all this hate from the gates of hell 😂

*First, she gets mad at Rick for not yelling at her and being TOO GOOD a man. (before the zombie apocalypse).* *First she tells Rick to go get Merle. Then she scolds Rick for it.* *First she tells Rick that Shane is dangerous and must be delt with. Then Rick kills Shane in self defense...and Lori blames rick for it.* *She volunteers to leave Carl at the quarry camp and go into the city...but Shane convinces her not to. Then Lori drives off the farm and gets into a car accident like an idiot and has no regard for her unborn child and also risks the lives of others who have to save her.* She's selfish, self-contradicting, foolish, and has no concern for her son, unborn child, and husband, or anyone else in the group except for her Bad Boy Boyfriend, who she also ends up treating unfairly after Rick came back. Although she did think Rick was dead, she didn't even wait one month before hooking up with Shane. FOUR WEEKS. Bruh. Clearly, she never loved Rick. She despised him for being the "nice guy" "good man."

Michonne>>>> Lori. Michonne believed Rick could’ve been dead for over 6 years but also never gave up on him and eventually found him Lori would never

Yes as a mother I would say, at the end of the world with the dead walking, one month after your husband dies, your son should have been your only focus, not having sex in the woods with your husband best friend.

I don’t see Lori as loyal, just in need of protectors

Lori doesn't deserve more hate than the Gorvernor, Negan, or Shane. This is the typical "i must hate the wife and must love men no matter what" situation. It happened to Skyler even when she was being logical and helpful. Anyone who uses their brain is going to understand Lori not wanting to give birth in an APOCALYPSE and die because of it (it's exactly what happened to her). Funny how no one ever talks about how Shane was also in the wrong for sleeping with his best friends wife, (Lori didn't force him to sleep with her, it takes two, right?). No one "manipulated" anyone, Shane was a grown ass man who knew exactly what he was doing, and made the wrong choices. NO ONE was shown "grieving" their families deaths, except Andrea and Amy when they were on the boat. Lori still had a mindset like the world was before the collapse, of course she didn't want her son around a gun. She treated Carl "like a child" maybe because... he.... WAS ONE??? She was in the wrong to tell Shane to stay but she didn't know he was completely obsessed with her. Let's not forget when he assaulted her at the CDC, was that her fault too? No she wasn't mad that Rick killed Shane, she was mad that Carl was involved, it's pretty clear in the scene. No she doesn't deserve this stupid excessive hate. You can deslike her, but she's not worse than cannibals, cold blooded murderers, or rapists. You "fans" need to watch the show again!

Kinda feels like there were two different writers for Lori and both had different ideas on what kind of character she should’ve been.

I don’t think Lori loyal was ride or die for/to Rick. Before everything happened they were fighting nonstop. She didn’t even cry when Shane told her Rick was shot. They definitely were headed to a divorce before everything took place. In my opinion Michonne was the opposite and everything that Lori was not. Although I don’t blame Lori for the affair it’s crazy to me that she didn’t even wait a month before getting with him meanwhile Michonne when almost ten years without being with anyone. I couldn’t even picture Michonne and Daryl together cause they were loyal to Rick. Unlike Lori and Shane. I feel like something was going on with Lori and Shane before Rick was shot and the outbreak happened cause they started up pretty quick after they assumed Rick died. Neither of them were truly loyal to Rick in my opinion.

So she knew Shane was dangerous but told him to don't leave the group and stay? Lol yeah she wanted to keep a bad dangerous man in the group.. why?

Lori went from being in love with shane, to making him stay away from her family, to forcing shane to stay when he was about to leave, to "my son and i are not your problem anymore", to " I'm sorry shane"

She is the one who poured gasoline into the Rick v Shane situation. Yes.

We could’ve got 3-4 more seasons outta Shane if it wasn’t for her.

I didn’t have that big of a problem with Lori until her reaction when she found out Rick had to kill Shane

>Hates that Rick doesn’t fight back >Doesn’t grieve her husband’s supposed death >Gets with her husbands best friend >Has unprotected sex in a zombie apocalypse >Pushes Shane away when Rick returns without hearing him out >Pawns her kid off to everyone >Doesn’t want him to shoot a gun in a literal zombie apocalypse >Tells Shane her family is “off limits” to him >Continues to treat Carl like a child in a world where he could die at any moment >Tells Shane to stay, giving him mixed signals >Tells Glenn to get her a pregnancy test >Finds out she’s pregnant, tells no one >Asks Glenn for abortion pills >This side quest almost gets Maggie killed >Takes the pills and then vomits them out >Doesn’t say shit to Rick, he finds out because of the pills >Tells him Shane is dangerous >Yells at Andrea because she wants to protect the group and not do traditional house wife things >Is completely ungrateful of the fact her husband returned from the dead while everyone else piles on their losses >Takes Maggie’s car (probably without asking idk) >Crashes into the _only thing_ on a goddamn empty road >Almost dies, and ends up losing a valuable vehicle >When Rick tells her he killed Shane, she treats him like a monster >Yells at Carl for clearing the infirmary at the prison (kinda justified) >Even when she’s dead she continues to haunt the damn show with her ghostly presence hell, yes, she deserves the hate. She is a terrible person, a terrible mother and a horrible wife. It’s one thing to act the way she does but who the hell has unprotected sex in an apocalypse where there are no meds or hospitals? In the woods where they could be jumped at any time? I probably missed a lot of other things, but still, Lori can rot in the depths of hell.

As a society, we need to talk more about how being wrong about something isn't lying.

Shes the one who pushed shane into being a villain.. she really was the true villain of the first two seasons.

Lets see. Starts the situation that causes rick and shane to fight ending in one of them dying then hating the survivor. Selfish doesnt think things through fails to be a decent person. Being against the idea of teaching her kid how to be independent and help out in operations.

yes she was sociopathic pitting two best friends against one another

The only real problem with the relationship is how how fast they both moved on

*You don't date your friends ex girlfriend or worse in this case wife. Doesn't matter if they thought he was dead. There is a code.*

I mean it kind of seemed implied that this thing between Lori and Shane was brewing even before Rick was presumed dead. Not that they actually did anything, but the wheels were already in motion. I think for Lori it was just a matter of she didnt realize what she had until it was gone. Thats the only reason she jumped back to Rick so quick in my opinion. They definitely didnt seem like they were on the best of terms before the apocalypse.

FYI if you hate or love a character this means that actor or actress did their job.

She sure moved on pretty quick…. And who the hell in their right mind hooks up with their dead best friend’s girl, talk about disrepect.

"Did Lori Deserve the Hate?" YES

Great video…although, I would disagree that Carl would be better off with Shane being a “father figure” because it’s not taking into account the fact Shane wasn’t an ideal father figure. There were plenty of viable “father figure” options at the camp. Also, Lori hooking up with Shane so fast completely ignores what Carl needed at that time. He didn’t need anymore confusion and their gross relationship, I would imagine, would have been extremely confusing.

Some of you guys are talking about how Lori was evil for putting notions in Rick’s ear, but what I see is a wife warning her husband of what she knows and feels concerning the danger of his best friend. Also, Dale needs to hold some responsibility here… he saw Shane holding Rick in his sights right after Rick showed up at the Quarry Camp. He should have said something to Rick IMMEDIATELY. He figured out that Shane killed Otis and said nothing, and Shane outright confronted Dale over the guns out in the swamp. He could SEE Shane was completely unhinged and was slipping even farther, yet he kept that shit to himself… save for when he told Lori about it. That’s another reason why she talked to Rick and told him Shane was dangerous, because Dale even said it to her outright (he should’ve gone to Rick and told him, though).

The only two reasons I don’t like the idea of Shane and Lori is because she moved on quite fast and got with her husband’s best friend

Lori and Shane should’ve just came clean to Rick in the beginning

People should never feel bad for hating a character even if it’s for the most trivial reason. This is fiction after all.

4:15 its not that she was loyal to Rick, its the way she ended her relationship with Shane. That is definitely not how to tie loose ends. There's nothing to commend how she just abandoned Shane like nothing happened at all. It's almost as if they're not mature adults that can handle an adult and mature conversation. She wasn't completely being fair to Shane. I'm sure if the two actually handled this responsibly, there wouldn't break which is the straw that broke the camel's back. Ultimately its Lori's fault for how Shane eventually started straying off. Personally I think Shane deserves the right to father or be a guardian to Judith

Lori went wrong when she played two men against each other. That and when she couldn't keep her eyes on her child. Otherwise I would not have a problem with Lori, she's dealing with an impossible situation that none of us can even begin to imagine.

I think that it would been Smarter to Just let Shane Leave the Group instead of Keeping him around and sending all those Mixed Messages. the whole conflict between Rick and Shane could have been avoided entirely if Shane Left but it seems like she Kept him around knowing exactly what would eventually happen and that just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. unless she wanted to be fought over like some kind of Trophy or something like that.

Rick and Lori would have had problems with or without the end of the world.

Guilt was the driving force behind Lori’s decision making..she didnt know how to navigate it

A loving wife! No sir. There was a flash back of Lori talking to a friend of hers. She said she was thinking of divorcing Rick because he didn't fight with her and was too nice. What. People please? All she does is cause drama and issues. Because as you said, she is impulsive and short sighted.

If she had basically said "Look Shane, I'm sorry but Rick is alive and he's back. We can't be together anymore." That would have solved so many issues. Instead she accused him of lying, and then began to manipulate both men into hating each other. She didn't deserve the SA, but she was a terrible person in those instances. Also, yeah, constantly losing sight of her son and never knowing where the hell he was at any point in time.

Lori doesn't deserve all the hate, but how she handled it caused some issues. She should have believed Shane wasn't lying and had a conversation with Rick about what happened before finding out she was pregnant

I'm not even going to watch the video but came in here and say yes, absolutely yes.

Your analysis of both Shane and now Lori sums up my perspective of them both entirely. The catalyst for everything was when she tried to isolate Shane (not blaming her) just saying that was the incident that began the spiral

Well... she wasn't very helpful, she was indecisive, not that smart, wasn't a good wife and supportive of Rick. She just wasn't meant for the zombie apocalypse. That's just in my opinion.

The problem with your opinion on Shane being dangerous is that everytime Shane did walk away Lori said things that encouraged Shane to continue his advancements. She overall deserves all the hate she earned

My two hot cents for this discussion. Lori *DESERVES* hate, but not to the extreme the fanbase gets. In other words, OVERhated

The moment you wanna see how shitty Lori is. Rewatch her reaction to when Rick first reunites with Carl and Carl runs to him lol. But yeah season 2 when she was chirping into Rick’s ear that Shane’s dangerous and blah blah but her 1st place moment of most shitty character moment was her reaction to finding out Shane died 🤣 🎤 drop.

Come on.. we all know she does... lol but we gonna watch the video anyway to remind us why we hated her.

I do think lori is the reason shane became dangerous. When shane and rick got into that fight at the school rick fixed everything. He also had a long talk with him and even told lori shane wouldnt be a problem anymore. Then lori just had to keep picking at the scab. U are right. She should have given him space. Hell he should have hooked up with Andrea. She was better for shane then lori.

Lori deserved almost all the bullshit Skylar got. I totally agree with you, my daughter and I said the same thing.

As for the last point when she was talking to Rick, yes she was right though some of wha she said didn’t have to be said, it’s more so the way she worded her sentences she could’ve lightened it like he’s a danger etc, but the way it was worded and the tone kinda makes it look like she was just pitting them against each other even though she was right about him and everyone already knew it anyways💯

Ok so I believe the reason why lori gets hate for being with Shane isn’t because it’s right after Rick. It’s because that was Rick’s best friend. He wasn’t like a normal friend he worked with Rick imagine you in heaven seeing that😂, Carl even looked at him like an uncle so yea they was close so it makes you think if Rick got into an normal accident would that have still happened, probably not but i understand there in a apocalyptic world & they think he dead so the only comfort she has is Shane the only person she knows. However I know some other people would just be a widow and go for someone else like some others did. Abraham got with Rosita. Pretty sure she wasn’t related to his wife in any way. You’re right about your point but I’m pointing out that this is most likely the reason she got hate & not rlly anything else👁️‍🗨️.

Regarding Lori starting up a sexual (romantic?) relationship with Shane, I think she gets more hate for it because now we have a comparison. We just watched a spinoff where Rick's second wife and the love of his life did not engage in another romantic relationship for years after Rick's assumed death. And then went on a two-year search for him (that nearly killed her) on minimal evidence of his continued existence. The last shot of Michonne on the mothership was her about to go through a sea of walkers to find Rick. Keep in mind that Michonne and Rick were separated for far longer than they were ever together. That versus his wife of at least ten years having a relationship with his childhood best friend less than a month after being told he was dead. Yes, there is no set timetable on when a widow/er can start a new relationship, but most people would say a few weeks is way too short a turnaround. Even if, or maybe especially, when it's the end of the world and you have a young child that needs protecting and constant reassurance of safety. Woodland nookie time really needed to have taken a backseat to Carl and setting up provisions for survival.

She had strong and weak points. She was the one who performed CPR on Hershel. Her mixed signals to Shane was her beginning of her end.

Also Rick was NOT in a hospital in Atlanta. Rick Shane, Lori and Carl all lived in Cynthiana Kentucky. He went from Kentucky to Georgia.

If you love someone you look for them, you don't assume they're gone.

I haven’t started the video yet, only saw the thumbnail: yes.

The main thing I fault Lori on is telling Shane how she felt and that he wasn't the only one when she knew his mental state wasn't good. Then she got pissed at Rick when he admitted to killing Shane when it was her who told Rick that he as dangerous.

I didn’t hate her or fault her for the relationship she had with Shane. She thought Rick was gone and her and Rick were having problems before the end of the world. I also don’t believe that she had any type of relationship with Shane until after the outbreak. BUT she was putting Rick and Shane against each other slowly and especially right before Shane was unalived. She was telling both men that the other couldn’t keep her and Carl safe. That’s messed up.

I think what I get from Lori is that it's clear from a flashback at the beginning of s2 plus s1episode 1 that Lori and Rick's marriage was on the rocks prior to the apocalypse. They probably would've divorced had that not happened. Lori even questions if she loved rick in that flashback. I think you are correct about what brought shane and her together. But she sighted part of her frustration with Rick in those flashbacks as him not Getting angry with her and not putting her in her place. Something Shane does in the first episode when she walks off in a huff which led to them making out. I think she was drawn to Shane because he was exactly what Rick wasn't at that point. Assertive, tough, etc. Perhaps if the apocalypse hadn't happened they would've been together if her and Rick divorced. Plus it was at least 5 weeks Rick was in that comma. Quite quick to immediately hook up with him. If I had to guess it probably started the night Atlanta fell. And based on how they interacted it was far more than just a fling. Basically the thing is I actually think she loved Shane but didn't wanna admit it. If Rick didn't come back she'd have stayed with him. Definitely. I think as much as I dislike Andrea she was completely right about what she said to Lori in 18 miles out. Plus Shane probably would've recovered if he had the privilege of being Judiths dad. I mean it's not like the neighbors were gonna talk. Lol I agree her reaction to Rick's killing of Shane was mostly because of Carl but Rick needed her and she essentially emotionally abandoned him directly after he killed his best friend and brother for and largely because of her. That's why by season 3 their relationship is largely broken. And I think Lori definitely deserved the cold shoulder Rick gave her.

My issue is when she put rick and shane against each other she did fuel the fire between them.

The big thing with Lori was how she treated Rick after she motivated him to kill Shane, and then telling Shane to stay.

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She was a very toxic person who ruined not just the relationship with Rick and Shane but also with Carl. During an apocalypse where there are walkers that devour people she was more focused on her own drama than on her son. She didn't know where her son was most of the time because she had other people watching him. People who also had jobs to do and couldn't focus 100% on HER SON. I was surprised that Carl had survived that long during the first 2 seasons and it wasn't Carl that died instead of Sophia. She also wasn't the only one that could have told Rick about the relationship with Shane, Shane could have pulled Rick into a private conversation and told him what happened after he thought he was dead. They both had a relationship with Rick, as his wife and as his best friend, Lori wasn't the only one that could have told Rick about it. But what makes her relationship with Shane the absolute worst is the push and pull. The way she told him to stay and telling him he is a part of her family and then turning around and telling him to leave her family alone, to stay away, and that he is a liar.

She’s also a terrified traditional southern house wife. She was also clinging onto Shane cuz she knew it would keep her and Carl safe. Lori was never a survivor on her own she was just never built for twd world. She was absolutely terrified the whole time. It just makes me feel bad for her because she was completely lost in the post-apocalyptic world. Some ppl were never gonna make it. 😫

Personally, I feel like she just could’ve slept with anybody else and yes, they may have thought he was dead and all of that, but I just don’t think it’s right then after Rick came back, she proceeded to do everything that she possibly could to make sure that they were to become enemies just to make it look like Shaynes took advantage of her when he did not

She doesn't deserve any hate in the first place... She wasn't selfish in fact she helped the group wherever she could and she was even "mothering" on Beth when she was at her lowest... A selfish person would never do that... She didn't ask Shane to change for her... She didn't ask him to leave the group in the first place, saying that he shouldn't interrupt much with her and her son does not equals with leaving the group... Also if Shane really wanted to leave in the first place (especially if she was his reasoning for that) he could have just leave WITHOUT telling it to her or regardless of her asking him to stay... Her losing Carl was also not her fault... Yes as his mother she is responsible for him but she can't watch over him 24/7 while she clearly does things around the farm so the group could stay at the farm. Carl was deaf at this point towards his mother AND father when they told him many times to stay close to either them or to the group... Not to mention even after her death, Rick also lost Carl many times (even more times then when Lori was alive) which also led him to his own death, and guess what Lori wasn't even alive, he was Rick's responsibility at that point but it seems some people forget about it when it's not about blaming Lori for every stupid thing... Also she wasn't upset because Rick k¡lled Shane since she told him he was dangerous in the first place (but she also didn't ask him to k¡ll him, telling Rick that Shane is dangerous does not equals with k¡ll¡ng him)... She was upset because Rick let Carl to sh0t walker Shane... And you can blame her about "why wasn't she watching him then?" but I already explained that part... And Rick didn't tell Lori that he couldn't stop Carl from doing that (since he thought Carl was aiming at him and not walker Shane behind him about who he didn't know that he turned) and because of it she has every right to be upset with Rick... Also at some point Andrea was useless when Lori told her that in the kitchen... She couldn't even aim perfectly, she was arrogant and was into Shane (not h8ing Andrea btw but she's not my fav especially since she convinced Beth to make an attempt for $v¡c¡d¢)... Maybe at some point Andrea had the right to be like that since she lost her sister but her wanting Beth to make an attempt for $v¡c¡d¢ was insane and she didn't have the right about her planting a seed in Beth head so she would even dare to try it in the first place... Someone who's that irresponsible and doesn't have a clear mind like her shouldn't even go out in the first place for explain getting supplies... So yeah I'm saying ALL the h8 Lori gets is is unreasonable especially because of the stupid excuses what I explained why these aren't true... I'm not saying everyone should love her but the h8red towards her is unfair...

uh, is it just me or do i hear the theme from Dying LIght in the background?

Another thing to note about Lori was how she handled disagreements with Rick in front of Carl even before the outbreak.

While there are a few TWD characters approaching pure evil, there aren't any perfectly good ones. They're all imperfect and flawed. I always felt people were overly harsh on Lori too.

Yes. Don't even have to watch this to answer that. Lol But the only one worst is Andrea.

14:02 I like the video so far but I disagree with this take. Consent to sex is also consent to the RISK of getting pregnant. Engaging in risky behavior can yield outcomes that are less than ideal (no different than playing the lottery for example). Both Lori AND Shane are responsible for the pregnancy that she has as BOTH consensual participants engaged in the behavior. There are ways to negate or minimize the risk of risky behavior, but that is ultimately up to the people involved and how much they're willing to put in to minimize or negate said risk. Lori and Shane engaged in risky behavior and had a bad outcome. Lori had the option to take the pills, but ultimately chose not to. Whether you agree with those 2 actions is up to the individual and I don't think there's a bad argument for or against those 2 decisions.

She had to go, I waited impatiently for it, I hated her! Never expected such tragedy! 👏 👏 👏 Bravo!!!

For me when start had sex with Shane I'm like" I give you a pass for that one. Why? You both didn't know that Rick lived." Second is when she had Shane's kid. That is final one for me like let's be honest here we all knew that Rick wasn't the father of their second kid. Ph yeah 3rd the way she treated Shane like she's innocent one here. That's crazy also, she told him to leave and stay? Like ok girl let's not forget you are having his kid.

… commend lori for being loyal to her husband when he came back “alive” that’s the bare minimum and nobody told them to pork ina. zombie apocalypse irresponsible and get pregnant like …

Lori is written to be a very flawed character, that many people will have some dislike for. However, the amount of hatred for her generally goes beyond what's reasonable. Captain Gold - I agree with most of what you wrote about the "Unjust Hate", but disagree with much of the "Just Hate" - Her hooking up with Shane: yes, hooking up with your best friend a month after the start of the apocalypse is tacky, but at that point many people had become murderers, r@pists, and even cannibals. If she had continued the relationship after Rick had returned, that would have been hate worthy. - Her not sending Shane away. Realistically, Shane would not have survived on his own, and it would have been a death sentence. If he had survived, he would have likely ended up like the Governor - her handling the conflict between Rick & Shane. It wasn't intentional, but she failed miserably (and worthy of some hate) - Her reaction when she found out that Rick had killed Shane - this scene is easily the most misunderstood scene in the series. Most people have thought that - she hated Rick for killing Shane or that she hated Rick because Carl was there, but these theories are completely wrong. Sarah Wayne Callies has given numerous interviews where breaks down exactly what was going through her head. Here is a link to one of the interviews ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bW17H-OTZqg.html - Lori's driving skills - admittedly her driving was on par with her pancake making skills (however, I wouldn't classify it in the hate level) - Keeping Carl in the house - no, she wasn't successful with keeping track of Carl. But who did??? Certainly not Rick & Michonne. Instead of hating on Lori, we have to come to grips with the fact that Carl didn't listen very well.

The dying light music I instantly knew this would be good

She drove Shane off the deep end

It’s wrong because it’s disrespectful. You don’t jump on your exes friends. Period. They both know how society and respect work. So do you.

I have only watched the first 10 seconds of this video, but I am going to with.................................... HELL YES!!!

imo yes, she was trifling, she put 2 friends against each other, got one killed by stringing him along. not telling rick about the attempted grape. they all deserve hate for not being adults and sitting down and having the adult convo TOGETHER, they always broke off into 2s to talk about it... which is how she was able to sow her trifling seeds... the kid is def shanes for sure. shane would have been removed for his grape out right so had she just came clean then and there, then it would have been fine... maybe shane would have been sent away for the crime, or maybe taken out for it. shane is the guy who became a cop to gain power over people, the bully in school who never amounted to anything with a chip. the apoc allowed him to show his true colors. he was always gonna be ended in the apoc lol rick was the guy who was actually good and fair, the apoc twisted him up, but still remained pretty fair when he didnt need to be ruthless... the wife tho, man she was that chick who trapped rick then complained about her good life all the time, that was clear from the get with the convo in the cop car. her deeds was just over shadowed by shanes funny story about the lights lol lauri reminds me of that helen chick from troy...

7:40 I don’t think us as the audience will know for sure whether Shane knew Rick was alive or not during that hospital scene and that’s what makes it such an interesting debate. I personally think that Shane did know, I think at that moment when he tried to save Rick he realized first of how that there was no way to get Rick and himself out but second that there was likely no point and Rick was as good as dead anyways with his injury. The fact that Shane decided to put the hospital bed in front of the door just backs that up for me. Why would you block the entrance to a corpse when there’s people getting shot down the hall unless you thought there was a possibility he might still be alive? But then you see Lori and Shane leaving Atlanta, at that point Shane had already told Lori that Rick was dead, they specifically say that him saying that was the only way she would leave. I think that he left the hospital and went to get Carl and Lori and he realized that she wouldn’t leave without Rick and Shane thought Rick was as good as dead so he just told her that he was. When they got out of Atlanta, after they got away, and saw the city getting bombed he definitely assumed Rick was at that point. I mean who wouldn’t? But I do think Shane knew when he left that hospital that Rick was still alive.

If you were too look up a step by step list on how to manipulate two men to fight to the death, she followed every step. Then after all is said and done, she gaslit rick making him feel guilty. She's a total piece.

lol Yes she more then deserved it she waited less then 2 months and hooked up with Shane the virus was discovered 4 months before season 1 and the outbreak was only occurring for 2 months my aunt lost her husband and it most definitely took more than some 2 months to somewhat get past it

Your takes are a hard pill to swallow. But truthful. And enlightening. Earned a sub from me👌

My biggest problem with Lori was telling Shane to stay away from Rick and Carl like that’s her choice to decide. Further more how it was obviously Shane’s baby and she basically was saying how he wouldn’t be viewed as the father in her or the babies eyes . In an ideal world where Lori Shane, Carl, and Rick all survive. Judith at some point would’ve found out that was her father. When she was older, I believe the decision would’ve been to have Judith be raised as Shane’s kid kid from the start maybe that would’ve brought him back down maybe not , but will never know

She absolutely is not ride or die. Her continuously lying to Rick about her being with Shane never confessing is what pissed people off with her character. She could have avoided all this by telling Rick and talking to both of them about what will happen that she wants to be with Rick again now he's back. Then lying again about her baby being Shane's. Lori constantly pawning Carl off was another thing that pissed people off. She kept playing games. Wanting Shane to stay away but mad he was pushing Carl away and brushing him off. No she didn't deserve being assaulted. But again she should have talked to both of them from the beginning and figured out a new dynamic. Her I'm better than you attitude towards other characters especially other women while constantly asking them to do her job as a mom. I wonder how often it happened when she was with Shane before Rick came back.

Lori was just a 304 in an apocalyptic world

What too many people fail to see is while Shane volunteered to put his life at risk so he could save Carl, it was also to get back on Lori's good graces. He did it for Carl, but also to totally manipulate Lori. Rewatch those two scenes when she tells Shane he can stay... BOTH TIMES it is when she is in a very emotional state. The first time, it is after Shane gets back with the supplies. He WAITS until he hears Hershel say Carl's surgery was successful and he should be alright. Then, Shane goes to find Lori. He finds her ALONE, at Carl's bedside- her kid who has basically just been saved because of his actions- and HE KNOWS THIS. He takes up the entire doorway with his body language, and gives her this pleading look that says, " after all I just did, are you still gonna make me leave?"... What tf is she supposed to do in that moment? What is she supposed to say?! It is SO fucking MANIPULATIVE on his part, and he KNOWS it! He knows it so much, in fact, that the next day, when he hears that Carl is out of the woods and will make a full recovery, he AGAIN confronts Lori while she is alone, and he says to her that he heard Carl is going to be okay. She says yes, then turns to go into the RV. He stops her and asks her AGAIN if she meant it, because he knew how he confronted her the night before. Well, here she is again, in the same boat. She just confirmed to him that yeah, Carl would be alright, because of what Shane did for him. He manipulates her at every fucking opportunity! Always waiting until she is in a position where she is stuck and cannot tell him to leave. This is NOT her being wishy washy! You can look at her face, listen to her voice, and see her body language when she tells him that, "yeah, I meant it", that she really did not, but is caught off guard by him, once again. The ONLY TIME I ever saw her be wishy washy was in the very beginning when she could not make up her mind on whether Rick should go bring back Merle... and I feel that this was just poor decisions the writers made for her character. When she goes to talk to Shane when he is working on the windmill, that is NOTHING MORE than her trying to apologize to Shane for her part in the mess that was their fling, and to empathize with him about how she KNOWS how incredibly difficult all of this must be for him. It is nothing more than her trying to be a decent fucking human, going to him to apologize and take responsibility for her actions, and for hurting him. It IS NOT on Lori for how Shane misunderstands her words! Shane only hears what he WANTS TO HEAR! That is ALL on him... The only thing I can say about Lori losing track of Carl is that now that Rick is back, he is JUST AS RESPONSIBLE for his kid's safety and well-being! Shane even says something to him about him needing to talk to Carl about the gun he stole from Daryl, and Rick basically blows him off, because he is too busy trying to figure out what to do with Randall. Yeah, but place all the blame squarely on Lori... I'd also like to point out that CARL GETS BIT AND DIES on Rick's watch. Can't blame that one on her!! You are 100% right about Lori being pissed off at Rick for Carl having to put down a reanimated Shane (It was what started the downfall of Carl not being a kid anymore, and she did try to help keep some semblance of innocence for her kid in that fucked up world), but what else I noticed in her reaction is that if Rick had just told everyone else what Jenner told him at the CDC, Carl would not have been caught off guard when Shane got back up and came after Rick... he would have been prepared for it. Also, she HAD to realize that RICK HIMSELF should have known to IMMEDIATELY stab Shane in the brain after he killed him, and HE DIDN'T DO IT! We realize she had to know this, because the interaction in question between Lori and Rick happens RIGHT AFTER he tells the group that they are all infected and that he knew it and kept it a secret, because HE felt it was best that he keep that little tidbit to himself. She IS NOT WRONG for being angry about this!!!! We know that Rick and Shane saw for themselves that there were two undead security guards they killed that had not been bitten or scratched, when they were at the place where they were going to leave Randall, in 18 Miles Out. So, Rick did have what Jenner told him CONFIRMED and it is JUST as much Rick's fault for not making SURE Shane didn't reanimate (knowing what he knew!!), as it is Lori's for 'losing track' of Carl. Carl played a HUGE PART in what happened to himself, as well. He was sneaky, he didn't listen to ANY adults, and he was stubborn/hardheaded, and he did what he wanted, no matter what. I would think that being in a zombie apocalypse would QUICKLY cure a normal kid from sneaking off like he did, But not Carl. He never learned! I will say that the shit she throws Andrea's way for not helping out with the traditionally female roles was COMPLETELY UNDESERVED and fucking GROSS! I hated that shit SO MUCH! Andrea was a fucking HERO for pointing out everything Lori had and took for granted! I cheered when she told Lori off in that moment (Andrea also gets way too much hate, but that's for another post, lol). Initially, I could not STAND Lori! TWD quickly became one of my favorite shows, and I have watched it more times than I can count. The 1st 3 seasons are my favorites and I began paying close attention to the body language and interactions of the people I didn't like, from the eye a mother/parent, and quickly started catching things I never noticed before. I began to see Lori in a COMPLETELY different light. The only things I still don't like are how wishy washy she was when it came down to looking for Merle (writer's fault), and her seeing womens' roles as so fucking traditional and attacking Andrea for it. Otherwise, she was just trying to do the best she could. I respect where she was coming from, for the most part. She was not a character anywhere NEAR as deserving of the vitriol she gets, and it's DISGUSTING.

I don’t blame Lori because she really did think Rick was dead in Atlanta so she need someone to fill the void that Rick originally did

Ima save y’all some time.. *YES* And that’s not the video, that’s me.

In my opinion, Lori didn't deserve what had happened getting graped by Shane during one of the CDC episodes, nor bumping uglies with Shane since she and Shane thought that Rick was dead/turned into a walker. For me, it's the fact that Lori uses both Rick and Shane for survival, understanding that she fell pregnant with Shane's baby (that is my theory that Judith is Shane's child, Carl's half-sister), Also shunning Shane once Rick turned up alive.

13:14 "There are no roolz man we are laaaust" "Now now now now"

I had to check the date to see if this was an april fools joke.