How much, if at all, did losing Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Final change Connor McDavid’s legacy? Gino Reda and Bryan Hayes couldn’t disagree more on the answer.
It didn't impact anything. He's a great player, no doubt about it, but I'm sure he himself wanted to be a much bigger factor in g7... because who knows when he'll have the chance next time, if ever.. and "inches away" means nothing 🤣
Not at all he won a conne smythe without winning the cup another amazing achievement that almost no player has done and when he wins the cup next year he will win another conn smythe back to back..
Hayes is right. His legacy didn't really take a hit in my opinion, but it was a missed opportunity. He's not in the conversation with the greatest ever until he closes.
Crosby, Lemieux, Gretzky all won in their first few years, and won multiple times with youth on their teams. McDavid is going into his 10th season, with the 2nd oldest team in the NHL and that makes it hard to believe Edmonton could be a dynasty. The window is closing. Yzerman won later in his career but his team was stacked with all stars. Edmonton has 2 players.
I would actually say the Oilers window was shut yesterday. It's going to be like 2006 where they lost a game 7 of the cup finals and failed to make the playoffs for many years after. Next time the Oilers make the playoffs, McDavid will be retired.
@@BobsUruncle-dl7cs gretzky was on a loaded team ,has zero cups away from that loaded team ,and that team won a cup without him ,to prove they were loaded
@@8799crosby Mcdavids on a loaded team, 4 Cups by 26, end of Conversation. Its to late to revive it. Its not even close. Connor Mcvechkin has to forge his Own legacy and he is already to old and has done to little to ever become the G.O.A.T.
Well buddy put up 8 points in his first two elimination games. What's the alternative? Is it better if they lost to Van or Dallas? Oilers were underdogs and went to 7 games. Only 1 team out of the 31 other teams beat him and it was by 1 game and 1 goal.
Gotta say, I agree with Hayes more on this one. The people pointing out all the players who were swept before they won don't seem to appreciate how early in those players careers that happened
Finally someone on TSN with some sense. Of coarse it hurts his legacy. You think Crosby is losing a game 7 in the finals. No way. Until McDavid learn to back check he will lose. Period. He needs to do all the little things to win. The guy on the left is delusional. Stop worrying about how many points you can get. Once Sid got his first cup that's all he cared about. He became a complete player. McDavid has yet to make that transition.
@@epicphailure88 Crosby was never hot garbage. You leave out the fact of his injury because he had a broken hand. Before that he was leading the playoffs in scoring. He sat on the bench in the second half of the final game. McDavid has zero points in the last two games. No comparison to be made. If not for the injury he would have three playoff MVPs. Not two. Also he was the best player on the ice with one hand. With 7 blocked shots and 9 takeaways. You know the little things that wins cups. What McDavid doesn't do.
Such a cliche and bad take. Stuart Skinner let in one of the softest goals possible while McDavid was sitting on the bench, that is why they lost game 7. The idea that the Oilers just needed "McDavid to backcheck" and they would have won is just complete and total nonsense. They needed to score more goals than the opposing team to win, simple as that. Hockey is a team sport, which is why Crosby could play so mediocre and win, and why McDavid could put on an all-time legendary clinic and lose. It's really not even remotely complicated or hard to understand.
McDavid was held off the scoreboard in both games 6 and 7. He deserved the Conn Smythe win, but those last two games tarnished his overall achievement.
pointless in 4 of the 7. it didn't feel like it though lol. idk how shoe in he was for the conn smythe in hindsight. i kinda lean a bit to barkov tbh for the conn smythe.
The greats close out decisive games. In any sport, not just in hockey. Individual accolades are just that, accolades and recognition...what people remember is who won it all. What if this moment is 14 years later and McDavid finally wins it like Bob did tonight. Is he great then? Or what if he never returns to the finals for the rest of his career? This sort of thing happens. There's simply no guarantee, for that reason you got to seize the moment...and the Oilers just didn't do it.
The best player in the world is Sasha Barkov. Wanna how i know that? Because i just saw Barkov take the Stanley Cup from the guy who everyone thought was the best player in the world. Not only did he take it from Mcdavid, but he dominated also dominated him in the process. Barkov literally stopped Mcdavid from ever getting on the score sheet when it team needed him most. Barkov got on the score sheet when Florida needed him. Barkov > Mcdavid
Never seen a CS winner be so invisible in the last two games of a series. Congrats oilers, you played two extra months of hockey and have fuck all to show for it.
Hayes seems lost. Not dangerous? McDavid was 95+ xGF% on 5v5 in game 7. That’s a lot of dominance, despite not scoring. It's a team game. Are you implying that Patrick Maroon is three times better than Ovechkin because he has more cups? Gimme a break.
Until McDavid comes back and wins like Gretz and Crosby... comparing him to them is lazy. You cannot compare what HAS happened with other players to what has NOT happened with McDavid.
Look at the consistent deep runs of Tampa from 2015-22 all under a salary cap. Not McDavid's fault but he could have taken less money if he truly cared about his legacy.
Florida is a much better built team with a better GM and scouting staff. Wasted a 70 goal season from Hyman, I'm not sure if he cant repeat that. RNH, Ekholm and Hyman are getting older. No depth beyond 6 guys and questionable goaltending.
Crosby with zero points in his GM7 first cup .. difference is they won. Hayes is a clown. Hockey is the ultimate team sport.. stop talking about NBA examples where they play 8 players in the playoffs and the best players play 40 minutes a game.
This is such a STUPID argument. Please, don't do this. These endless, stupid legacy/GOAT arguments have ruined basketball. Gretzky lost in his first Stanley Cup. Got swept. BUT I don't even want to begin to get into this. Don't do this. Have better discussions. Do better.
I wholly agree. This superstar bullshit is derailing everything. Ice hockey is a team sport. I understand that in basketball it is easier to win with one or two superstars, but it's not like that in hockey. And just because of the nature of the sports. I love to watch basketball (i watched the late Jordan gold live on TV), but hockey is different.
guy rhymed off all these guys losing their first final appearance and didnt mention that those guys were 20-23 years old when they lost.... Mcdavid is 27 and its taken him 10 years to even get toa single final...
What’s with the razzing Connor Mcdavid all the time Mackinnon shouldn’t be even in the conversation Connor Mcdavid made it to 4 th round and almost sipped from the cup the Florida Panthers won because of luck the puck that almost went in but just grazed the outside of the gaol post and the puck that almost went in but the Russian named defence stopped it and so it could of been a 3 to 2 advantage for the Oilers!”
winning a conn smythe when ur team loses just speaks volumes to how impressive mcdavid really is. i think mcdavid atm makes a really good case for being a top 10 player of all time just with that.
Top 10 in any sport is tremendously difficult without winning the big game. Yes he was sensational in the series. But having zero points in game 7 does hurt your legacy.
Ya I agree , Also now they have been pushed farther then any other team minus the panthers and all their fans EXPECT them to come back better next year. It will either make them or break them.
McDavid "legacy" won't get off the ground until he is out of Edmonton, or any Canadian team for that matter. Canadian teams get a sniff once every 6 years, it's an American game and big business now. Canuck buck and taxes is not beneficial to any Canadian team.
This is a conversation that needs to be shelved for a later date. If Edmonton learns from this and wins the Cup next year then all of the comparisons Gino is making will make sense, but objectively you have to take things as they are today. You can hope that your projections come to fruition, but you can’t talk about it like it is guaranteed to happen. Yzerman was looked at as a very good player who couldn’t deliver until he finally did. So based on what has actually happened, not what could have or what we hope will happen, McDavid is a very good player who has yet to deliver, and we can revisit this topic at the end of the next season.
I think it doesn’t matter what any of us think. Because none of us can predict what the future holds for McDavid or the oilers or any team for that matter. But, we can all sit here and assume.
I know how great Gretzky he needed a body guard to shadow him to keep other defence men from hitting him but Connor Mcdavid does it all by him self making the gaols truly quite a feat!”
@@earlviney5212 And a bigger son of a gun compared to Connor Mcdavid who could plow right through the d men plus maybe hurting the gaol net minder to get his gaol I’ve seen footage not to long ago.
We will only know once he retires. The thing is its extremely hard to make it back to the finals. most players dont make it, some only make it, and some make it and win it. If McDavid hasnt won the cup by the time he retires, this will haunt him. Its not the Gretzky era.
This question is 1 year too early. Gretzky and Crosby both lost their first appearances in the Final. Both came back and won it the next year. If Edmonton goes out in round 1 next year, maybe then we start to ask this question.
Some forget that Gretzky's first Stanley cup appearance he got mopped in 4 straight to the Islanders, and as he stated in interviews what he saw when he walked past the locker room he didn't see them celebrating the win but them completely exhausted with ice packs, oxygen tanks thats when he realized what it takes to win. Next year they won.
2 best players in nhl for last 9 yrs and still cant win, what a massive waste of talent by edmonton w mcdavid and draisaitl in there prime - draisaitl is a UFA nexr yr and is almost 30 - the gates are closing on that "dynasty" you are speaking about gino
Let's not forget that Gretzky didn't win the cup after leaving Edmonton either. Messier won the cup again with Edmonton after Gretzky was gone and again with the New York Rangers. Let that sink in!
Gino Rida is absolutely right the love and joy of Connor Mcdavid has for the game of hockey is as Gretzky & Sidney and his determination to get to sip from the cup and almost did will make him more determined next time!”
Exactly!! Matthews wins a League MVP, and all of a sudden he is right up there with Howe, Lemieux, Gretzky, Orr?!?! I love how Hayes says that even if the Oilers lost in Round 1, he would still be the best player in the league. We both know that if they lost in the first round, everyone won at TSN would be the first ones dissing McDavid and bowing down at the feet of Matthews.
First of all, Gino...you are the best! Got hooked on all of your RU-vid videos, analysis and passionate joy for the game this post season. Your banter with your guests is awesome and you stick by your opinion. Everybody had the Oilers done a lot earlier than Game 7 of The Final. You said that McDavid wouldn't let that happen and you were right. Your guests owe you a lot of "you were right Gino". Last night, a close game. Florida played so well defensively and when you have two great teams playing their best, puck luck does become a factor playing a game at breakneck speed with a little rubber puck. Sometimes you get the bounces, sometimes you don't. McDavid is always a factor on the ice, whether he's on the scoreboard or not and when the superstar beats a Gretzky recored for apples, we were all enriched by watching this guy play the game at such a level during this post season. A master of the game, like Jordan, like Tiger, like Brady and the precious few who have dominated their sport with such a high level of dominance and entertainment for the pure fan. We all wanted McDavid to hoist the cup. He deserves it. But diminishing his significance by not doing so on this run is nonsense. Hockey is more of an all roster team sport than any. One guy can't win it alone. Congrats McD and the Oil for a great post season!!
its truly amazing how many ppl on here the morning after are praising the hell out of the Florida win and at the same time are bashing the Oilers and just brutalizing McDavid for not getting the job done. The remarks are non stop on YT and even FB. Amazing how immature "hockey fans" can be....
Legacy? He’s 27. He broke a Gretzky record. He won the Playoff MVP. Hockey is the most balanced of all the professional sports. He is doing unreal considering A) The team they started with B) They live in the salary cap era. C) Hockey is a TEAM game, he did his part AND more.
you mean the team with 4 number one picks and numerous top 5-10 picks.. McDavid is no Crosby or Lemieux,, absent when needed in crunch time.. i dont care about the con smythe.. this was a legacy game where he did literally nothing
Well that's because they didn't do anything all that great, they put everyone in front of the net to push everything to the sides and kept shooting the puck across the ice for the icing call for half of the 3rd, and just piled guys into the boards to keep the puck caught up to drag the game out. It was a smart decision with them having the lead, but it wasn't won hard or entertainingly. But a win is a win and they got the Cup by playing it safe.
Im in the predicament of I dislike mcdavid because he is over rewarded for a lack of overall success while other generational players of the past (im really just talking ovi) had sooo much of their career defined by hockey journalists saying he didn't want it enough vs now being annoyed that it is actually happening to mcdavid bc ultimately in BOTH cases the reason for lack of success is not the effort of those players but the lack of depth and strength as a team
It was a great run boys. McDavid is the most exciting sports player to watch. Even though oilers lost, McDavid legacy only grows from here. He has a taste being that close, and has gonna be hungrier now. Watch out in the following years, because hes gonna go beast mode.
crosby was 21 yrs old, as was much of his team. a bunch of kids...... lost to one of the greatest dynasties in NHL history in 6 games. came back and beat the red wings IN detroit, in game 7. completely different contexts
Bryan is correct. I dont think he lost much but he really didnt gain anything. Hes the best player right now, but you need rings to up there with the big boys.
I’d take Barkov at this point. I do think his lack of points in game 6 is not indicative of his impact (it’s actually an artifact of data-type). He learned over the year that he can’t put score his problems. He’s a better player this year and he’ll be better next year, but so will everyone else, so get ready…
The thing that hurts his legacy, which is still being written, is that he did not show up in the ultimate game. If Lebron James lost game 7 in the finals and did not score a point he would be dumped on for failing his team. That is what McDavid did, it doesn't change who he is and what he is, it just lessens his trophy shelf, maybe forever. He may never play in a final again, ever. Gino's argument is only made if McDavid returns to the cup final and wins at some point in the future.
McDavid isn't done playing yet and a career isn't decided on one season. Gretzky only won his Stanley cups in Edmonton and on no other team, does that count against him? Does that mean the team carried him? There are no Dynasty teams like their used to be. The Cap ended that. Ovechkin didn't win his cup right away but it doesn't take away from how great he was prior to winning it. I sure hope the Oilers can get it done next season, they certainly deserve it.
I don't think anybody knows his legacy which is going to be down the road. I personally think he's going to be one of those individuals that's considered to be the greatest but without a cup.
Honestly, the fact that so often forgotten with this sport is that it’s not up to one guy, I wish it was, I wish hockey came down to one person. But it’s the highest team sport possible.
not even close to the highest team sport. That's a self proclaimed canadian type of statement. Stop being so arrogantly canadian. Football is the biggest team sport and the most popular sport in the world. canadians gate keeping ice hockey as "their sport" is the reason ice hockey isn't that popular on the global level. canadians are just so passive agressively arrogant. "oh we're so kind", "everyone loves canada". Makes the rest of the world puke. Humble yourself for once.
First hand, there was a salary cap. and also We must not forget that there have been several good players in the national lines at the Hall of Fame and they did not win the Stanley Cup, that makes Mc David one of the very, very great players in the League nationally is everyone going to forget Carry Price's performances in Montreal I don't think so, I think he's going to be one of the greats and didn't win the cup.
Lindros made it to the Finals much faster than McDavid, including beating Mario/Jagr, Hasek, Wayne/Messier to get to the finals before getting swept by a Detroit team loaded with HOFers.
Crosby and Gretzky both lost in their first Cup finals, yetI don't remember them winning the MVP. I certainly don't remember Crosby breaking any Gretzky records. His legacy wen't down though.... lol please.
At the end of the day, Hayes is right to an extent. Breaking records and accumulating absurd amounts of points is great and speaks to how amazing McDavid is, but that's not why NHLers play the game; they play it to win, and McDavid hasn't done that yet. He will need at least one cup to be in the Gretzky/Crosby category. All time greats will their teams to championships, and he needs to do that before he's truly considered one. He still has time, and that's why I don't think his legacy is hurt just yet. I'm sure he will win at least one. If he wins multiple,I think we're having real discussions about McDavid over Gretzky.
I thought about saying this during the regular season when Edmonton was near the bottom of the standings but I'll say this now. The best thing the Oilers could do for McDavid is trade him. He's not winning a cup with Edmonton. And it would be a crime against sport to see that man not win a cup. Unfortunately for McDavid I think he's too nice to want to leave and could sacrifice his prime years, his best shot, remaining loyal to the shitty undeserving franchise that drafted him. So he might be destined to never win a cup as a player. The Edmonton Oilers franchise is too arrogant and toxic due to decades of dynasty-legacy memberberries, old-boys-club nepotism and inept tanking culture to ever win.
Turns out McDavid has an abdominal injury since before the playoffs and will likely require surgery. Draisaitl has had a broken finger on his shooting hand and broken rib since the Vancouver series. ...Hayes, your take is just your jealous leaf fan crap again 😂
ahh, poor darlings. Imagine an NHL player playing with an owie in the playoffs. Maybe mommy will get McDavid a Paw Patrol bandaid and some cookies for poor little McMuffin. I mean, it's unheard of for NHL players to play through injuries in the playoffs. McDavid is a trailblazer.
In a vacuum it’s a failure. He and his team couldn’t get the job done. Fact is we don’t know what the future holds. Perhaps he can use this experience as fuel and spin it into a championship one day and it will make the journey all the more satisfying …. but that is still unknown. There is also a very real reality in which that’s the closest he will ever get.
He will never say it but playing with RNH for 5 games, 4 they lost, cost them the series. They couldnt score. Mcdavid had juat 3 points in those 5 games. RNH and Hyman 1. In the other 2, mcdavid had 8 points and they won both. Not sure what the coach was thinking but the line of rnh, hyman and Mcdavid never ahould have been put back together after being apart for games 4 and 5. Never!
