Did Sauron have a Successor?

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For two Ages of the Sun, Sauron had been the Dark Lord, casting his shadow over Middle-earth. The immortal Lord of the World, holding dominion over Orcs, Goblins, evil Men, and even undead Wraiths. During his reign, kingdoms of Men, Dwarves, and Elves, were founded and destroyed, civilisations rose and fell, and even all of Arda was reformed.
And all of it, was the result of Sauron’s reign of terror. Untouchable, all-powerful, immortal. Until… he finally wasn’t anymore.
The end of the Third Age also heralded the end of the Dark Lord. His One Ring destroyed and his physical body destroyed once again, he was finally brought to the end of his power, and even the last traces of his presence in Arda were almost completely destroyed. And with his destruction, so too fell the empire of the second Dark Lord.
But… was this really it? Was there to be no-one to come after?
Or was there someone to take up their master’s mantle, and become the Third Dark Lord, take his place… as the Heir of Sauron?
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@MysteriesOfWesternesse 11 месяцев назад

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@nevarmaor 11 месяцев назад

I always suspected the Sackville-Bagginses had a dark destiny ...

@khylerbane4523 4 месяца назад

They are definitely Warlords, along with Saruman and the Mouth. But the Sackville-Bagginses are more local, ie the Shire, not regional or national level ones.

@bowenc24 8 месяцев назад

Fun game idea, an alternate timeline were Sauron had a successor. You would be that successor, rebuilding the forces of darkness. It could use the nemesis system of Shadow of Mordor, recruiting orcs and corrupting men to your army. You would also get your own dark fortress to customize and would be able to completely customize your dark lord. It would be like a more serious version of the game Overlord, if anyone remembers that game lol.

@khylerbane4523 4 месяца назад

That would be an interesting sequel to Shadow of War. I mean the Mouth of Sauron never died “on screen” in the book.

@DraconimLt 11 месяцев назад

It's the standard 'I'm Immortal, why the heck do I need a successor' hubris thing that many Dark Lords in fantasy stories fall into...

@chronosschiron 11 месяцев назад

what id have done is take one tiny tiny piece of his one ring made it into say a pin and placed in somewhere far off thus the real deception you are gone is perfect

@patrick9865 11 месяцев назад

"I'm a god. How can you kill a god?" -Dagoth Ur

@Teoga2 11 месяцев назад

To Be fair i dont think Sauron cared about any legacy to have because that would mean he would have to die

@chronosschiron 11 месяцев назад

@@Teoga2 ya immortal evil meglamanics tend not to care about kids much

@kylejohnson3889 8 месяцев назад

@@patrick9865squidward: LIKE THIS

@AkeenFreysAndracos 11 месяцев назад

In the end, the worst enemy of mankind... Is mankind itself

@PankajYadav-rv5wv 9 дней назад

Not exactly because Malkor is the reason of all evil in middle earth so it’s a valar who started all this

@lhadzyan7300 11 месяцев назад

This is where the unfinished story-plot of The New Shadow happening on the Fourth Age during Aragorn and Arwen´s son rulling time which might have been or not a stand-alone story or even the prologue of the upcoming Dagor-Dargorath plot-development as well. However Tolkien didn´t liked the whole idea at the end and thus their connections with further pre-existent material are mostly closed-by, but makes a well open-field for free-fanfiction creativity sources on its own.

@MysteriesOfWesternesse 11 месяцев назад

He didn't connect "The New Shadow" to the Dagor Dagorath. Though it would make some sense, it would hasten the timeline to have the world end before the Age of Men would have properly started, so we do not think that Tolkien would have considered connecting them. (Though, it might be possible for the delusion of the antagonist to be to try and bring about Dagor Dagorath and have Melkor return to Arda, but we as readers would already know that this was not in Eru's plan. It would cause some mild problems with how serious we would take the threat of that antagonist, but it would indeed be an interesting story to tell, if told right)

@lhadzyan7300 11 месяцев назад

@@MysteriesOfWesternesse yeah those ideas were amazing, so sad that Tolkien saw them as useless overall, and avoided it as making the whole Middle-Earth storyline as a kind of legendary-mythological forgotten prehistorical past for the real world history, though overall it´s very convoluted to properly match anyway, so it sound as a cheap escape clause excuse for it.

@CalridRobnor123srs 11 месяцев назад

The sillmarilion is a parody of the War for heaven in the Bible of course, Morgoth is The Devil, Sauron his servant who comes over to his cause from one of the Valar, also Angels. It's interesting stuff, but it's probably unwise to read too much into mythology and start stating overarching things like Tolkein meant this or that. I suppose only he knows why he wrote things the way he did.

@StevenMichaelCunningham 11 месяцев назад

Of course he did not like it. It was a simulation of insanity.

@wrjidema 10 месяцев назад

@@CalridRobnor123srsMilton, John: Paradise Lost

@Pekingesejedi 11 месяцев назад

Once again, narrated for you by Count Dracula himself

@jackmann2494 2 месяца назад

Nah, Dracula had a deeper voice.

@rexarnold3950 8 месяцев назад

The blue wizards could make a dynamic evil duo to bring Melkor’s return

@marty7194 11 месяцев назад

Sauron was great character and isn't dead just can never again regain his strength and dominion over the earth. Basically a useless ghost lol. Would love to have seen the final battle stuff, imagine saurons master, the original dark lord breaking free as he's locked in chains in the void but not dead as he makes sauron look like teddy bear

@luker2693 11 месяцев назад

He’s basically sentenced to eternal insignificance until Armageddon

@jamth118 11 месяцев назад

Great video my friend keep up the good work

@thomassaldana2465 8 месяцев назад

I like the random Celts at the 25 second mark.

@matthewgaulke8094 11 месяцев назад

The age of men...I did always struggle with the miraculous things you read about in the Bible and looked around me and wondered why these things don't happen now. Are we living in our own age of men? Is that how someone like Tolkien understood our miraculous less age?

@chrisgholloway1 Месяц назад

Quality content and production

@bigguy7353 8 месяцев назад

I always liked to think that Sauron's presence kept something less influential, but more individually powerful from rising up, which then did. More of a great beast to make direct battle upon as opposed to planning and plotting against.

@kurtwpg 11 месяцев назад

On the Maiar front, it is believed the 2 blue wizards were corrupted and living far in the East.

@PseudoNym100 11 месяцев назад

Eh Tolkien had different opinions about the blue wizards. He has said what you said, but he's also said they may have been successful. He also has 2 different opinions on when they came to middle earth: one is in the second age, and the other is the 3rd age with the other Istari. I don't think either Tolkien ever said for sure which of the opinions were the facts.

@aes1373 11 месяцев назад

I always wondered what would be going on in the Dark Land (the other normal continent) in the world while everything was going on in Middle Earth.

@piotrkulpa8034 11 месяцев назад

Evil never die so the story is not end.

@celtictemplar 11 месяцев назад

I'm kind of wondering, when it comes to the circles of the world, as said by none other than Morgoth himself in the simerilion, that "beyond the circles of the world there is nothing. But the void". Would you ever consider making a video on that, I'd like to understand the void in Tolkien's world. As I do believe that is where the nameless things come from, and as well the great spider.

@MysteriesOfWesternesse 11 месяцев назад

We will put it on the list 😉 Also, we already did videos on both of the "great spiders": Ungoliant: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-sA-TC9ICo2Q.html And her spawn, Shelob: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--pdlQvTCsMs.html

@CalridRobnor123srs 11 месяцев назад

@@MysteriesOfWesternesse Arda is all there is in Tolkiens vision, there's not countless galaxies and a universe outside the world as there is to us, but it would be ineresting to see how and why ungoliant formed, I suspect she was just a part of Eru's plan, evil must have a counterpoint, hence Morgoth and Sauron and Ungoliant.

@0jrhindo-907 11 месяцев назад

If ungoliant managed to cross the void and firmament into Arda, that means there's ways through for things powerful enough. So morgoth and Sauron may still influence Arda, with whispers of evil.

@StevenMichaelCunningham 11 месяцев назад

Inner, Outer & Deep space be it artificial or the natural occurrence of black hole/quasar. ⚜️ As for Morgoth's delusions? Vegan wins again & I mean NO CONTACT. 🤭

@therealtwiggyleaf 11 месяцев назад

Interesting theories! 😎😎

@craigbloxham8344 11 месяцев назад

The rings lost all their powers after the one was destroyed.

@lhadzyan7300 11 месяцев назад

Well evil.beings as the surviving Orcs, Shelob (if the lived), the Mirkwood spiders (if Celeborn & Thranduil didn´t got rid of all of them after taking over the forest and becoming it Greenwood again), the Barrow-Wights, the keepers of Cirith Ungol fortess on Mordor (if didn´t got destroyed by the whole ground destruction within the area as both the One-Ring and Sauron himself got destroyed), some dragons at the Grey Mountains (and the Withered Heath) and of course, the NAMELESS THINGS, including the Watcher-in-the Water. So still there remain a lot of diverse evil things wisepread on Middle-Earth´s world but they might not being able to do much harm or relevance of people as in the past, as they´re mostly avoided and maybe eventually destroyed or chased away too - at least while Aragorn was on rulling-command alive they did so.

@randymarshislorde 11 месяцев назад

So if I'm understanding the way that was worded at the end there, with the death Sauron and the end of the 3rd age, "Middle Earth" essentially just turns into normal earth? All the magic/fantasy stuff just fades away and everything becomes like normal medieval earth with only humans and MAYBE dwarves remaining?? That is... mundane and disappointing.

@helixgamer8894 11 месяцев назад

about the mouth of sauron: even if he had a ring it would be powerless with the one ring being destroyed, just like the elven rings

@lhadzyan7300 11 месяцев назад

Herumor´s character on The New Shadow could be either Mouth of Sauron if he actually survived so long after the last Battle at Morannon at the defeat of his master, or a random new-character from either the East or South regions of Middle-Earth where Sauron (and Morgoth)´s influence remained eventhough there was long gone a new central leadership untill his uprising on that role. Still there seems to be indeed links about he very connected with the past and some uncanny revelations about himself but... there is where the known story actually ends.

@Enerdhil 11 месяцев назад

I had always assumed that the Mouth of Sauron lost all his power and influence when the Ring was destroyed. He may have had a lesser Ring, but any ring made by Sauron would have list its power when the Ring melted away. I don't think he vould ever rally the evil troops or kingdoms like Morgoth and Sauron did.

@MrTrakiiski 11 месяцев назад

He should have remained the Senior among the black numenorians

@Enerdhil 11 месяцев назад

@@MrTrakiiski Do you think all the Black Numenorians could have formed their own realms in various places and then be united under the Mouth of Sauron? That would be an interesting take on the Fourth Age.

@MrTrakiiski 11 месяцев назад

I developed a fan fiction concept where the Mouth of Sauron is his son (and he is the dark version of Luthein Half Maiar) in my concept the remains of the black numenorians, are shapeshifters like Sauron himself and are summoning foul spirits to serve them like the nazguls, to lead orc armies and conquer westerns through war and occultism...until they summon back sauron and morgoth :))

@Enerdhil 11 месяцев назад

@@MrTrakiiski That is interesting. Sauron and Morgoth must have had their way with women because that is what evil beings do. Tolkien, of course, would never have mentioned it, being a devout Catholic. Nevertheless, they both must have had offspring.

@chronosschiron 11 месяцев назад

@@Enerdhil NEITHER HAD ANY INTEREST IN SEX you never get any hint of that

@grassynaga9092 11 месяцев назад

Sauron isn’t “dead” even after the destruction of the Ring. He’s a weakened spirit now, but he’s still around.

@Mr713mexican 9 месяцев назад

So I guess Saruman as well??

@mamory3791 9 месяцев назад

@@Mr713mexicanIn theory yes Saruman as well!

@raskolnikov6443 6 месяцев назад

Yes this channel has a great video about that. He’s still done for.

@thomassmith6232 2 месяца назад

I have sometimes wondered if, had his physical body not died by Wormtongue's hand in the Scouring of the Shire, Saruman could over time not have become a new Dark Lord.

@orionspero560 11 месяцев назад

I've always taken it for granted that token Intended one of the blue wizards to become the third dark lord at the end of the fourth age. My understanding is he intended to the fifth age to be about the reign of the fifth dark lord and the purging of the influence of the first dark lord from the world.

@laurencewinch-furness9450 11 месяцев назад

I always wondered if Saruman might be able to return? Morgoth is still out there in the void, so if the Valar could send Gandalf back, could Morgoth do the same to Saruman? Sauron was a lesser version of Morgoth who stepped into his place after Morgoth's fall, so it would fit thematically for Saruman to do the same. Alternatively, maybe Ungoliant could still be out there. Tolkien hinted she ate herself, but that was never confirmed, so perhaps she could emerge from the far south, at the head of an army of giant spiders

@MazinoDSAce 11 месяцев назад

It wasn't the valar who sent gandalf back but Eru Iluvitar

@PseudoNym100 11 месяцев назад

Also, Morgoth has no power in the void at this point in the story. We only understand he'll one day have power to break out of the void to wage one last battle. And as for Ungoliant (or Shelob), they never cared about the dominion of others, just eating anything and everything.

@shaolin1derpalm 8 месяцев назад

Shelob was a hybrid of earthen beasts and ungoliabt. She lacked the power that ungoliabt had.

@ChristianMcAngus 8 месяцев назад

Tolkein imagined Middle Earth as our Earth. After the Third Age, magic, both good and evil, was greatly diminished. There was no longer enough evil magic to sustain a Dark Lord

@jeffreysommer3292 11 месяцев назад

Oh, but there would be one--when Morgoth returned in the end...

@dlsamson 5 месяцев назад

Let's recall that the true beginning of the darkness of the First Age wasn't so much a result of Melkor & Ungoliant killing the trees & stealing the Silmaril. Those events, horrible as they were, could have recoverable. The truly great evil was the Oath of Feanor. This was an event that came out of the Noldor elves & resulted in the kinslaying(s). Arguably, this was a far greater evil than the acts of Melkor.

@Bewbscueser 11 месяцев назад

Yep...Kendall Roy!

@boat1280 8 месяцев назад

I love the idea of progressively shittier dark lords coming back over and over again

@MrTrakiiski 11 месяцев назад

@ricoklan2101 11 месяцев назад

🔥🔥HEAT

@petervizzini4006 11 месяцев назад

What is the name

@kylecain7544 11 месяцев назад

The lesser rings and the other great rings all lost their power after the one was destroyed as they all were tainted by his craft

@vladline1882 11 месяцев назад

Imagine morgoth escaping his prison

@user-rw2dq3vp9t 2 месяца назад

wasnt tolkein going to write a new book called the new shadow or something like that?

@xsailor85 8 месяцев назад

“There is only one Lord of the Ring. Only one who can bend it’s power to his will & he does not share power”- Gandalf the Grey

@Emanon... 10 месяцев назад

Probably another devotee of Aule. From lying, greedy dwarves to Saruman to Sauron, this was one Valar who couldn't, as we say here, hit a nail through a turd without ruining both...

@emilposselt5607 11 месяцев назад

Sauron was the successor.

@JeremyBurch-td7no 8 месяцев назад

Actually he wasn't....it's literally stated that morgoth thought that he would never die so he didn't share power....he was served and worshipped....it wasn't a group effort...much like Sauron didn't share power and also didn't promote a successor to his throne.....evil wants ultimate power and control.....do dictators in our world share power?.....no

@Despondencymusic 11 месяцев назад

The New Shadow seems like a setup to the Evil Dead.

@faramir 3 месяца назад

We're not told about Mrs Sauron and any Sauron children. Think what it would have been like having Sauron's son in your primary school class.

@johnmorris1009 7 месяцев назад

I've always wondered what the significance and symbolism of "the dark tree" might actually be. It seems to me perhaps it's honouring Morgoth, and the destruction of the two trees. Maybe this cult was intended to pave the way for his return.

@benhbr 6 месяцев назад

10:21 heard "angelic being" as "a jelly bean"

@edocsil123 8 месяцев назад

Technically Saruman. For that short while. Even though he lost his power he still held territory and vast amounts of knowledge. Could have been a threat if he held low and rallied forces over time instead of occupying the shire.

@piotrmontgomerytv7786 11 месяцев назад

I wouldn't think Sauron had a successor. To me the Lotr sequel could be something in style of Warcraft/Yuuzhan Vong war. That a portal or gateway from another worlds open and the endless war starts.

@hmvollbanane1259 11 месяцев назад

It's that fool of a Took, isn't it?

@dublinmcclure6653 11 месяцев назад

5:31 That pictured is actually not Sauron, I laughed when I saw the picture come up cause it’s good old Zargothrax from the band Gloryhammer. But hey, Dark Lord, Keeper of the Celestial Flame of Abernethy, same thing.

@cambuxton6835 5 месяцев назад

Could he have had one?Yes. Did he have one? It was never spoken about by Sauron if he did have one.

@joshualonghi8313 11 месяцев назад

They both stretched themselves and some of their power into objects...and then they think its going to be a good thing like their immortal soul to the earthly plane but always screwed once those objects are destroyoed!

@shaolin1derpalm 8 месяцев назад

Yup. Morgoth put his power into twisting creations like Carcaroth, dragons and such, diminishing his power. Sauron also did that, but put power into the ring and boosting the powers of the witchking and such.

@alvinkoh5556 8 месяцев назад

Without evil there is no Lord of the Rings epics, so we better pray that the dark Lords prosper and continue to exist and rule! Evil must exist to make good looks good.

@lhadzyan7300 11 месяцев назад

Shelob´s fate it´s unknown as she could have either died after the severe injuries from Sam wielding Sting as well the burning after her exposal to Earendill´s light i,e, the shine of the only known remaining Silmarill in the heavens, held within Galadriel´s Phial, or she could have indeed survived but just went back to remain there at her lair on Cirith Ungol without moving away, unless Aragorn´s forces move it away when retaking the Minas Morgul valley after a big while when all the dark gloomy aura of the Witch-King domain was withered away from there. Still don´t see her doing a rulling commanding others than herself alone.

@CalridRobnor123srs 11 месяцев назад

I think like ungoliant did she merely fled into darker places to lick her wounds, although I doubt she went mad like ungoliant did and et herself.

@CalridRobnor123srs 11 месяцев назад

Like ungoliant she must have had a deep fear of the silmarills though and the lights of the Elves, as she may well have remembered why her mother was so terrified of the lights made by Feanor (silmarills) who was so much more skilled than even Cerebrimbor.

@CalridRobnor123srs 11 месяцев назад

Frodos blade dismissed as a letter opener (not really) Peter Jacksonism was after all an Elven blade from the first age also.

@CalridRobnor123srs 11 месяцев назад

She may well hence remember the pain caused by Duarin's blade also.

@lhadzyan7300 11 месяцев назад

@@CalridRobnor123srs Shelob was defeated also by Elvish creations back from the high Elve smiths on Gondolin through Sting and of course the furtherly older Silmaril´s light within Galadriel´s phial directly from the Trees of Valinor before the Ages of Sun and Moon i.e. before the First Age, that was a lot of pure power against her wielded by Sam, and I´ll always think that it kinda mirrors the dismissed idea about Eárendil fighting and defeating Ungoliant as well.

@dutyofcall7659 8 месяцев назад

Maybe there was an immortal elve smith in the service of sauron as an 10th nazgul equipped with a dwarf ring of power as well as lesser rings that the elves created before the rings of power that survived. With those he might me able to withstand the time, hunted down the two blue wizzards in the south/east or corrupted them like saruman to fuel their maya powers into another ring created in mount doom with the possibility for the powerless shadow of sauron to take on a physical form using the blue wizzards as an battery so to speak. This shit would be crazy as hell.

@user-fz9wt2kv1j 5 месяцев назад

Unless the Blue Wizards - two of the same type as Sauron

@jonrwert 10 месяцев назад

I think we get the general impression, that similar to Morgoth, Sauron had power over his forces, not just fear but a general intention that compelled them, probably much more powerful if he had the Ring. When the Ring was destroyed, Sauron's "hold" over everything, including his military forces, quickly disappeared. I don't think there would be anyone left that maintained some secret degree of Sauron's power of intention, if he had a successor it would be someone who used his legacy to start a cult of personality, to assume the title of new dark lord without any actual dark lord power. Maybe a cult leader of men or orcs would emerge later, but it would be just a "normal" conflict between groups like any in our human history. Only other option would be some Balrog hiding somewhere decides to emerge after thousands of years. You mention that. But the Balrogs never seemed to want to rule like Morgoth, they seemed to just want to serve Morgoth and than lost interest after his banishment. I don't think they were quite the same kind of evil, just soldiers, not successors.

@jonrwert 10 месяцев назад

Oh, one random fan theory I saw has to do with the mysteriously absent Blue Wizards. What if Sauron corrupted them like he had Saruman, and made them vassals far to the east? Or what if they were his prisoners, and were finally freed at the end of the Third Age? In either case maybe they could take up the mantle of dark lords, though as you say near the end of the video, Tolkien said that the era of magic was ending and the time for men to do normal men stuff was at hand, lol. So that would sort of preclude the possibility that the Blue Wizards might later get involved.

@MysteriesOfWesternesse 10 месяцев назад

That would be indeed a cool story, but as we mentioned in our Blue Wizards video, Tolkien's later versions of their stories state that they didn't fall to darkness, and their actions still influenced Middle-earth right up to the Fourth Age

@Steve-Quinn-YC-GaSC 7 месяцев назад

The end of Arda wouldn't be Morgoths darkness to the end of time. Tolkien said that as Arda died, so would Morgoth and then it would all be rebuilt and then it would be a truly peaceful world full of goodness

@michaelcortez9173 4 месяца назад

I thought morgoth was to beak free and a new era of war was to take place.

@MysteriesOfWesternesse 4 месяца назад

That is only at the Dagor Dagorath, at the very end of time 😉

@TheForcesWrath 11 месяцев назад

Your mic sucks but the video was great 👌🏿

@dynjarren5454 11 месяцев назад

Since we will never know what the blue wizards actually did after the war of the rings, it is possible one of them, or both followed a dark path

@SexySivart77 7 месяцев назад

I find it humorous that so many believe these works to be that of fiction.

@jamesthompson3023 10 месяцев назад

The white wizard or the mouth of sauron only ones I could think of

@dalesprague5500 10 месяцев назад

What if the successor was one or both of the blue wizards? Since so little is known about them, it could be plausible that one or both would've considered themselves Sauron's successor the way Sauron considered himself Morgoth's.

@MysteriesOfWesternesse 10 месяцев назад

That mainly depends on which version of Tolkien's writings you choose to go by: the earlier drafts, or the later ones. But you can check both out here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LigS18wEM5A.html

@dalesprague5500 10 месяцев назад

@@MysteriesOfWesternesse That's a good point, I honestly forgot there were different versions Tolkien wrote about the two.

@drewsarkisian9375 8 месяцев назад

Yes. Jar-Jar Binks.

@naaaaaatalie 7 месяцев назад

Truly the greatest evil of them all.

@tiagopatricio3805 11 месяцев назад

He was about to have, as Tolkien began to write a sequel, but he never finished and never wanted to, so, officially, no, Sauren did not have a Successor!!

@henrikg1388 11 месяцев назад

The successor will come from when the Dark Noldor in the deep south of Middle-Earth, completes their plan and again frees Morgoth from his shackles in the outer void. 😃😃

@edza7136 11 месяцев назад

Maybe not a successor. Instead, maybe explore the mysterious Void and what malevolence exist beyond. After all, Ungoliant came from the Void and almost manage to defeat Morgoth, Sauron's boss.

@PseudoNym100 11 месяцев назад

A very weak Morgoth, compared to his prime. I think the void is just a type of spiritual prison.

@martainroth2588 8 месяцев назад

No. As an immortal he never conceived of him not being there, so would not have any though about "after" him. Is Sauron Morgoths successor? No. Morgoth as a God would not think about a time when we wasn't around and didn't have a 'successor', Sauron was just his most able servant who survived his downfall. Sauron wasn't even really Evil after the fall of Morgoth, just with time he didn't get the respect he though he deserved and thus came up with new plans for how he could be in charge. Now normally the Witch King of Angmar would be the successor as the most able henchman, but since his best servants shared in his power and with his passing the entire leadership was also wiped out. The only way there would be a successor is if someone else was able to tap into the divine power of Morgoth to have extra power, life extension and persuasion to lead the Orcs and Easterlings to gather into another grand army.

@borisbadaxe9678 11 месяцев назад

Yes, his name was Bob.

@TheMichaellathrop 11 месяцев назад

Did Morgoth set Sauron up as a successor or as his luitenent was he just the servant that picked up enough of the pieces to keep going?

@MysteriesOfWesternesse 11 месяцев назад

For the same reasons Sauron didn't, Morgoth never appointed a proper "successor" during his reign. However, Sauron was the first among his servants, so he was in the best place to pick up the pieces when his master was eventually killed.

@TheMichaellathrop 11 месяцев назад

@@MysteriesOfWesternesse that is what I had thought, thank you for clarifying

@joshualonghi8313 11 месяцев назад

Morgoth could have had it all why he thought rulling arda was the best idea i dunno but i would have straight taken my bro out and then its done! And ruled it all! Tulkas wasnt around but he looses to a half elven! I mean a badass one but it just seems like he is just like sauron always destined to FAIL!

@seta-san2149 9 месяцев назад

without watching, no. he's an immortal and never throught his power to influence arda would be so completely destroyed. he had no reason to have a successor.

@markstott6689 Месяц назад

Why would an immortal have, want or need a successor? I seriously doubt that he ever believed that he wouldn't eventually rule Middle Earth for Eternity.

@MysteriesOfWesternesse Месяц назад

A very good point indeed, though there is a difference between a designated successor, who had to have been named as such by Sauron during his reign, and an effective successor, who assumed that role and/or title after the Dark Lord's fall. So it is in that latter sense still a valid question. 😉

@markstott6689 Месяц назад

@MysteriesOfWesternesse I would say that it's a very human trait to plan for all eventualities and have a named successor. My view is that Sauron would name a second in command, such as The Mouth, the Witch King if he'd survived or Khamul. Considering how untrustworthy a bunch they had the potential to be, if I was Sauron, I wouldn't have named a successor. Whether it's putting ideas into your underlings heads or showing weakness by suggesting you might fail or fall, it wouldn't have been a great move in my opinion. 😏❤️😏

@MysteriesOfWesternesse Месяц назад

Agreed. And it would have clashed with Sauron's personality

@StevenMichaelCunningham 11 месяцев назад

Yes. Known as Kevin Conroy The Caped Crusader. The Dark Lord his very self as is. Sadly any insane all but obsess over what could of been or what would of been. Forced to sanity once more if necessary I honestly feel that Sauron would of genuinely considered Bruce Thomas Wayne.............the only one who COULD though it would be done LITERALLY. Not killing & such as that IS insanity after all. The battle would of been diplomatic. 100% From Sauron? 50/50 like all the rest.

@johndoe-kq1ct 8 месяцев назад

Why would an immortal megalomaniac need or want a successor?

@rogertexter1910 5 месяцев назад

Sourmon could have done it once he reformed

@MagaldiMateus 11 месяцев назад

I want to leave it stated here that I lay claim to the title of Dark Lord until a better heir be found.

@peachesrambo4037 9 месяцев назад

We, the followers of Sauron will bring him back to life and even greater power. For we have the blue wizards safe and asleep in a dark place so deep that no one can find it. And when the Dark Lord finds us, we will use the life force and energy of the wizards to renew our Lord ,so as to help Him to regain his strength. We have taken the life force of countless other magical beings and stored it in large crystals to aid our Lord in need. Sauron will rise again.

@jaydub2971 11 месяцев назад

And as Sauron finally lay vanquished, a small voice could be heard from an academy dedicated to the education of the next generation of wizards and sorcerers. Dolores Umbridge smiled, and proclaimed softly, "I've got this. :

@johnord684 11 месяцев назад

Well he wasn't a fecking human called Halbrand :)

@robertmcclain2679 10 месяцев назад

I didn't know that stories before hobbit

@Svensk7119 8 месяцев назад

Not "slay-vered". "Slah-vered". It refers to the foam from the mouth. "Slavered" should be pronounced with the exact vowel sound as "slab". It can only be determined by context. I imagined an after-Mordor where the Mouth of Sauron lived over a thousand years, and knew how to make Rings.

@MysteriesOfWesternesse 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for the feedback!

@Svensk7119 8 месяцев назад

@@MysteriesOfWesternesse You are quite welcome.

@prestonshawn7148 2 месяца назад

Relax it's a bot that's why pronunciation is off a bit

@tiberazur3 11 месяцев назад

Tldr: No.

@tozai9222 11 месяцев назад

Agandaur in the Thumbnail 😩 I wish they’d canonise the game. It’s fits in so well. (Maybe except the Urgost thing)

@user-cx7kg6ok9b 7 месяцев назад

@idanthyrsus6887 11 месяцев назад

Lol. Sauron was the successor.

@JeremyBurch-td7no 8 месяцев назад

No he wasn't....Morgoth believed himself unkillable and also Sauron ....neither of them set up successors because they were evil to the core and thought they would never die ....and neither would share ultimate control and power

@JeremyBurch-td7no 8 месяцев назад

@tomh8623 11 месяцев назад

All prime could make was that crappy ring of powers show by comparison

@earthenergyhex 11 месяцев назад

maybe the mouth of sauron was one of the blue wizards

@DraconimLt 11 месяцев назад

It's confirmed he was a Black Numenorean isn't it? They are long lived, but still only men. The Blue Wizards were Maiar!

@earthenergyhex 11 месяцев назад

@@DraconimLt Is it confirmed? or just a theory?

@joshualonghi8313 11 месяцев назад

Honestly I think we have to think on sauron like this once he made the ring he made himself mortal! More like a cat he lost his fair form in numenor with a horrible deed...He lost the ring life during his horrible deed against the last aaliance...And then same again pretty much i like to call it last aliance 2.0...Always against the free ppl! But my eyes see it once he made the ring he made himself mortal! Voldemort 2.0

@davenonnenberg 11 месяцев назад

Technically... Voldemort would be Sauron 2.0. Sauron *did* come first.

@philknight6844 11 месяцев назад

No. He didn’t.

@martinsavage6838 10 месяцев назад

Was he married?

@44theshadow49 8 месяцев назад

Pretty sure Sauron's sucessor is named Karl Marx

@margaretalbrecht4650 11 месяцев назад

Yeah. Right. The gate where he went collapes. The towers collapse. Mordor fell into ruin. The army was destroyed. But the Mouth lived. You're delusional. No, you clearly expected Tolkien to mention that they went through the rubble and found his body. Geesh, if they hadn't found Cersei's body in Game of Thrones people like you would be claiming that she survived because having the Keep collapse on top of her and burned with dragon fire wasn't clear enough that she was killed.

@demonkingbadger6689 11 месяцев назад

Well, it would be about a 0.001 chance.😁

@HappyCatholicDane 11 месяцев назад

Does Jeff Bezos count?

@elagabalusrex390 10 месяцев назад

No and if he did, frankly, who cares?

@tefnenes3426 11 месяцев назад

First 😀

@johnwaddles6718 11 месяцев назад

Karens

@johnathonlutz5427 11 месяцев назад

Sounds like Joe Biden

@joeybox0rox649 7 месяцев назад

IMO, The blue wizards will usher in the Dagor Dagorath. When they were together in the east, in the 2nd Age, they were strong and a formidable adversary for Sauron. But Saruman accompanied them in the 3rd age and may have ordered them to split up. One went East, one went south. Once divided, Sauron was able to conquer and corrupt them. Together, the power of 2 corrupted evil Istari wizards may possess the power to resurrect Sauron and his master, MELKOR! That's when all hell will break loose on Middle Earth - The Dagor Dagorath.

@gaberra9556 11 месяцев назад

Non tutte le creature maligne/cattive/oscure vengono create da morgoth o Sauron.. .ricorda il passaggio di Gandalf vs Flagello di Durin, dopo la caduta dal ponte... "Ci sono cose di cui nemmeno Sauron (o morgoth, non ricordo bene) è a conoscenza.." in parole povere... XD