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@MaxTechOfficial When testing Lightroom, please connect laptops to 4K monitors and see if sliders in development mode are not lagging. Development mode is sensitive to resolution and for many people fluent developent mode will be more important than exporting speed.
@@mr.spokesman5849The first emoji is a stone statue of a strong and masculine man. It represents excellent results. The clown represents laughable results.
They will in the next gen, Currently they are using 2x powerful version of 8gen2 gpu which is weak by pc standards Rumors are that x elite 2 will use more powerful version of 8gen4 gpu , which can have upto 2x performance of m3 gpu (8gen4 gpu is rumored to be on par with m3 gpu) Currently 8gen3 gpu is more powerful than m1.
@@gabrielangel1996 i won't say x86 is dead yet, lunar lake is extremely promising in efficiency. They are targeting 15-20w of tdp and gpu will surpass m4💀 And for x elite gen2, it will have the most powerful cpu in windows without a doubt because they will also use ARM V9 SME instructions which apple m4 is using, which can boost its single core performance close to 4000 points in geekbench 6. And x elite 2 "may be" announced in october of this year along with 8gen4 (8gen4 is confirmed in october) because they announced x elite with 8gen3 in previous year
@@Silent.killer_007 8gen3 gpu is more powerful than the M1 wow impressive the M1 is 4 years old with the M4 M4 Pro M4 Max and M4 ultra coming anytime soon
This is the only comparison that matters… the Mac vs windows comparisons are the most pointless reviews. Most people have an operating system they prefer and aren’t going to switch. Me being windows myself with having a history with Mac and never going back, I don’t care how “close” the performance is against Mac… I care how much quicker it is than the previous generation of itself.
True, although there are people always in the fence, the overwhelming majority are used to the software and workflow on their current OS. Still, competition only improves things for consumers.
hah, i dont even care about the platform. these are laptops meant for working on the go. people are kidding themselves if they think they are getting the performance of workstation/mac pro cheese grater.
The heat and fan noise from the Intel chips is the main problem for all my customers. None of them need massive CPU power, just enough to run Office programs. As soon as Lenovo, Acer, Dell etc start releasing more reasonably priced ARM laptops, all my customers will shift to ARM based laptops. I hope for Intel they have a business plan for surviving without the pc marked.
Yeah they've been anticipating this for a while and are inviting ARM designers to use their fabs... Not ideal for them but they should survive, especially since they are local to the US and tarrifs are looking to get worse
I am impressed with X Elite, not by its performance or battery life, but price. $500 USD cheaper than Intel. I hope that $1,000 barrier will be broken soon.
@@rajbhararyan4746 100w isn't that low , lower temp = more room for boost clock before hitting thermal limit/ fan need to rev up There are different kind of VC + /VC+ fin stack for different TDP value You can found VC on smartphone, on laptop like Samsung ultra book / dell XPS and it been proved have better cooling capacity than regular heat pipe+fin stack cooling So, why not ?
@@frankwong9486G16 2024 need this chips. It has full capability to run snapdragon x elite 84 at full 80 watt. It's battery with core ultra is 12 hours , it will be more higher. The chip does support discrete gpu that will fix the weak integrated gpu.
The more of these tests I see of x86 CISC versus ARM RISC I'm beginning to think Intel basically set computing back 2 decades by killing all of the competition with marketing and market manipulation. Had ARM or PPC or some other RISC based chip been able to compete with x86 through the 90s and 00s at the same level of developer integration as x86 the computing world would look vastly different than it does today!
Guess what - its NOT that ARM on Windows will suceed this time because it is technically better but because it is CHEAPER. Of course the alternatives in the 90s were better ( like a MIPS based SGI O2 which had a crossbar ... ) - but those we niche computers with a price tag.
A little oversimplified don't you think? ARM was used in the 1st gen iPhone from what..2007? So that is 17 years where you had a computer in your pocket. Apple had a three year transition to ARM that pissed a lot of people off because they disabled 32 bit, but Apple makes it's money from phones rather that computers for the most part so they could absorb the hit to the pocket. The only other company I can think of that could absorb that financial hit for the transition is Samsung. MS played with ARM but gave it up until Apple hit the market. You are thinking fun shit on your PC and they are thinking market share. The only reason Apple ran with it was because they had no gamer market to lose. They were all about professionals. Even now the graphics performance on the X Elite is 1/2 of the iMacs, so what do they gain today? You are in a bubble, sorry. If NASA was at peak, absolutely the ARM chip would have developed further because every bit of power is life in space but here on earth we have power sockets.
Even in the unlikely scenario that ARM will take over the x86 market, Intel has future proofed itself by building fabs that will feature the new ASML High NA-EUV lithography machines. They won't have an issue building other companies ARM chips because that's a software instruction set, not a hardware issue.
Sooooo Intelvjust needs to learn to compete in a market that it doesn't dominate and maintain tye position through bullying and illegal practices, but being efficient and innovating. They're doomed. Oh well, what's on Netflix? 🤣
Who buys a $1,300 laptop to watch youtube videos. You might as well get a $200 chromebook that consumes even less power. The real battery drain happens when doing heavy tasks, and x86 chips are simply more performant, taking less time, therefore draining less battery life.
@@sophieedel6324 Valid, but you missed some common sense. People can do both, watch YT vids or do intensive tasks on their laptop. It's not an either or situation
@@DS-Pakaemonx86 are more performant than ARM chips, due to the extended x86 instruction sets. There is nothing "insane" about it. If one has to do a heavy workload, x86 will finish that task sooner, and end up using up less battery life than ARM. If you only watch videos or browse the web, yes I'm sure ARM is more battery efficient, and RISC-V is more battery efficient still. But I would hope a $1,300 laptop is not being bought just to browse the web and watch youtube videos, a $200 chromebook can do that too.
@@sophieedel6324 Doesn't change the fact X Elite consumes a lot less than Intel when sleeping & streaming. Also unlike you, I don't assume how people actually use their laptops. Secondly, $200 chromebooks have shitty TN panel 760p, non-existent contrast screens and loads videos very slowly. You act like one would get a similar experience using that and a $1300 with 2.5k MiniLED high contrast screens.
I don’t think the Elite will compete with Lunar Lake. As it looks right now, this could compete and surpass this in efficiency (crazy to say this about Intel). Especially in GPU performance Lunar Lake will stomp this…
That's a machine I'm *eagerly* looking forward to!
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Not sure how much demand there will be for a $400 keyboard for the Surface Go. (The version for the Surface Pro is $450, but a smaller one for the Surface Go will probably cost a bit less.) Even if that price includes the pen.
Yes and the boost clocks are also more so for single-threaded applications. Not for multi-threaded compute-heavy tasks like benchmarks, video encoding, CPU rendering or physics simulation
While ARM is cool, it still needs some time for all the apps to work on it. I am more interested in the next generation since that is probably when we won’t have see a problem with apps because of the x86 architecture.
@@gabrielangel1996 it’s all thanks to Apple they hired engineers from Intel and Google and developed the M1 chips that did release in 2020 Qualcomm was blown away and had no competing product those engineers from Intel and Google who worked for Apple did leave Apple and started there own chip company Nuvia to develop and make sever chips Qualcomm acquired Nuvia and that’s how they made the X-Elite without Apple there would be no X-Elite we would still have the SQ3 SQ4 chips
I’ve got my doubts about that chip. But it’ll be cool if it can live up to what they’re saying it can do. It’s lacking things like hyper threading though
@@christianr.5868 yeah would be really fun to see x86 being able to compete :) Hyperthreading uses more power and since they’re going all in with power efficiency I guess and they’re still getting a good amount of IPC improvement. Let’s hope intel keeps their word and we’ll get amazing chips to compete as that always the best for us ;)
@@lesleyhaan116 much more designed like apples m chips and how the processor is built. Have a look at some demos where a 4k 60fps video only uses 2/3 Watts on Lunar Lake and about 20/25 on Meteor Lake
@@lorenzocorsomusic1308 i think that's for encoding if im not wrong, gaming performance is still really impressive(leaks suggest that Xe2 gets the same performance as Strix 880M while using HALF the power)
This is what the discussion should have always been about. What good are those powerful intel and amd laptoos if they fall apart when you unplug them? Laptops are supposed to be portable and mobile.
Should be interesting when the Lunar Lake version of these Windows Surfaces and others comes out. I would expect the benchmarks to jump ahead of X Elite. Especially GPU tasks.
Graphics wise will be better, for sure. But CPU wise i really doubt. Lunar lake has 8 cores with 4 of them being e-cores. And Intel has never been good with power efficient.
@@gabrielangel1996 Remember, these new Intel CPU's will have a completely different architectural design which will be significantly more efficient then the current. Can't wait to see the differences.
Used not to care about the fan noise but that changed while at University as it was so distracting when my DELL Inspiron laptop which was a 2 in 1 could just randomly decide to fire its jet engines😅. Everyone in the room would look at me. I definitely sold it off a quick as I could 😅 Currently have a Lenovo and that makes less fan noise 🙂 Hope too get a Mac in future.
The surface 7 has a larger battery (and higher refresh rate, though it's variable don't know if that saved some power in these tasks). You can never compare business laptops to consumer laptops price-wise, because of service/support, most windows laptops cost the same as their qualcom competitors at launch. Interested to see lunar lake/strix comparisons and next gen qualcom chip, since this one was intended to be for servers.
I have been consistently looking for people to do heavy work on excel on these laptops. I feel business and consulting people are going to make use of a machine like this which offers really good battery efficiency for long hours of traveling.
Normal people shouldn't expect X Elite to immediately wipe the floor. Like Intel ARC, the first generation might be rough. But consequent generations will be a lot better. The only problem I have is that unlike Intel ARC, Qualcomm was hyping it up to be an M3 Pro destroyer, even though it was more like an Intel/AMD competitor.
But will they? They're still running x86. If you look purely at the productivity environment, I still think ARM has x86 licked. If someone is looking for an all day battery office machine to take on the road and don't need CAD or gaming ability, in a light and portable device, but still want to stay in the Windows ecosystem, the Snapdragons are very appealing. Also take into account, many people have to buy NOW and can't base their company's buying strategy on a hope and a dream from Intel and AMD. Its either embrace the clear advantage of Snapdragon ARM or settle for older Intel tech.
Only thing i'm interested in at this point is overall power efficiency and battery duration. I still have my X1 Carbon 5 generation i got around 2018 with no need to upgrade. As of right now there is a T14s generation 4 AMD and T14s generation 6 Snapdragon i'm interested in but Snapdragon still fairly new and doubtful of Linux support
Gotta think like the regular user. Finally they can get a windows PC without the bullshit that intel have been throwing them. Intel played dirty. Didnt capitalise. Now ARM catches up and delivers. Talk ahout GPU all you want. Most of the people I know arent gaming, rendering in blender or anything like that.
x86 still has the entire software backlog ARM simply doesn't have. People won't care about the CPU they're using UNTIL half their apps outright don't work or run like garbage because they require emulation.
also that cinebench score makes no sense what was the average power consumotion and clockspeed of that intel cpu because no wat is that cpu scoring 550 at 50w you can get that score with amd 8840u running at 16w,please check that
Meteor lake doesn't matter much anymore. Lunar lake is coming. And amd strix point is launching next month. X elite losing to competition within a couple months of launching will not be a good look.
The x elite really lived up to the hype. Hopefully they sell enough for ARM to become the lead developement platform. Its already good through Prism but would be awesome when everything runs natively on ARM. My samsung galaxy book 4 edge runs apple smooth. I also left it in sleep mode for a few days. Was good to go a second after opening the lid and had only lost a few percent battery. The second gen would benefit from a big graphics upgrade but tbh its not really essential for this type of device as i doubt anyone buys a thin and light to game.
microsoft needs to stop playing with stupid designs like the surface duo and do a proper good android phone with full compatibility with windows machines, they would create the perfect ecosystem to compete with apple
After this review I finished my coffee, and got myself a new toy. The keyboard is extraordinary, bit clicky, but this 15 inch screen is good, the battery life so far.... 6% drain. On that note, take a look at the bezels, on the 15" it is really visible. So long for now to Apple, but they will respond in the fall. For now this device cost me 2k including taxes (Canadian), yes I bought the cheapest one and the 1TB drive update is already on its way. Let's see how replaceable it is.
I have been looking for a performance test between these two laptops. Thanks for doing this. MS must improve the x86 emulation mode and push developers to develop for ARM and the buyers will come. The buyers are actually biting at the bit.
The elite x just needs qualcomm/windows firmware and software updates and app optimizing to make it a strong competitor to apple. to at least make it good enough. Next gen should be a blast.
Ohh man, I remember the 2010, when Intel did nothing but kept charging us a fortune for each paper based generation bump. Now their karma is coming after them and biting their arses.
Thank you VERY much for this, best comparison yet, and actually this is the only in-depth look at the Surface Laptop 6 for Business on the web anywhere yet. I'll get a Laptop 6 next week, bc the SL7 is unfortunately not sold to business yet - so this was especially helpful for me. Ofc I would have loved to get the 7, now even more than before ...
Not true, you can buy a SL7 for business with 11 Win Pro preinstalled ;).
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One weakness of all Windows on Arm systems: device drivers. If you depend on some unusual peripheral, the odds are it won't work. Drivers MUST be native; emulation isn't supported. That's going to kill the prospects for Arm in a lot of vertical markets.
The GPU on the X Elite 84 should compare equally with the Intel. It has 4.6 tflops compared to 3.6 tflops on the surface X Elite. Try with Samsung book edge let's see
Microsoft overpriced their laptops and for some reason, laptops manufacturers always include around 45 WH battery capacity on x86 laptops. I’m not sure why, but with competition ramping up, it looks like this is bound to change. Thanks for pointing out the build quality on the Intel laptop vs snapdragon, it kinda proved what I was thinking. Looking forward to AMD AI and Intels Lunar Lake CPU’s. It’s about time they looking more into mobility and providing that all day battery life that MacBook offers.
@@riceflakes498 look up the deal Microsoft made with Qualcomm back in 2016, rumors are it’s set to expire at the end of the year. This is why you only have Qualcomm releasing ARM processors for Windows’s
I really would like to see Intel suffer or disappear. This sh*t Company creates inferior chips, they are slower and need more energy than basically any other manufacturer. Compared to Perf per Watt of course. I got a Surface Pro 10 for Business with the Core Ultra 7 165U from my employer. I thought it couldn’t be that bad. In fact, it’s even worse than I thought. The SP11 feels at least two generations ahead. Starting the apps is just so unbelievably slow on the Intel one - no joke: I want to throw it out of the window. Starting teams, Outlook, OneNote, Edge cold on SP11: instant, no waiting time. On the Intel one: after clicking you wait about 2-3 seconds before even something happened. I made a fun experiment: cinebench 2024 comparison. The SP11 finished 2 Passes while the Intel one could barely make one during this time. And the SP11 is even faster in multicore than an AMD 5800X. This is so bad: Intel sells you basically 2019 technology in 2024. This company should sink like the titanic.
This is the first gen chip, Qualcomm make great GPUs for smartphones (leading GPU In any phone chip). I'm sure we will see significant improvements in terms of GPU performance in upcoming versions.
For longer tests with both fans on, it makes a difference which Laptop is right or left, depending which one gets the cool air or the exhausted hot one from the other laptop!!
I had to make this decision last week, between the Intel and ARM. I chose the Intel due to software compatibility. MUST check if the software you use has ARM versions. Too many apps I use (esp. VPNs) don't work on the ARM chip. Speed doesn't matter if your app doesn't work.
x86 just needs to be more optimized, ARM catches up BECAUSE the manufacturer put REAL effort to make it fast and competitive with data from millions of devices inside smartphones. x86 gets too comfortable with their dominance without real breakthrough. just as we ever see x86 powered smartphones.
I don't like the fact that at least a few saying its the end of x86 even if ARM chips are catching up in performance especially when running on Windows. I mean don't get me wrong, this is interesting to see a ARM based chipset catch up to a x86 platform chip with better efficiency but x86 have been too dominant in the computer market for a while, you can't just wish it to end overnight.
Look brother ARM is designed for efficiency and low powered devices and simpler task.. For Complex computing and high power task ARM is incapable.. ARM can be successful in cheap laptops ..
i know just one thing you RU-vidrs are lier you are the same guys try to convince people that Ryzen One is faster than 7700K in games now take money from other company to sell this trash to people I am a gamer and I don't need this trash CPU
I’m running an X-Elite Surface Pro with Dragon Professional speech to text and it is definitely noticeably faster than my Surface Laptop 5. Delighted with it
Intel is a joke, it's actually quite unfair to compete with them. Intel hadn't prioritized power consumption and perf/w in years, all they did is bumb clocks. And while that isn't as important in desktops where you have 360mm AiO water coolers, and 1600w PSUs, in a laptop you are confined by both power and thermals. Intel is dead due to its own poor choices. Intel turned into a joke, their approach is reminiscent of AMD's "bulldozer" era. AMD should stop comparing itself with Intel, and the same goes for Qualcomm. The real competition is actually Apple and its huge fan base (and actually decent CPUs/APUs).
Yes, you are correct that Intel powered laptops come with the "Intel Tax" which places them often considerably more expensive than either AMD or Qualcomm although Mac laptops are outrageously priced way beyond any other manufacture. The new Ai APU from AMD is hitting the market of late and I would like to see their best compared to Qualcomm's best.....Please.....
Compatibility with games is much better on regular x86 laptops. I have seen tests that displayed failure to launch and or run many games on snapdragon windows laptops. it is much worse than just "muh fan noise"
Both Intel and Snapdragon has AV1 hardware encoders and will both beat Apples strongest machines by a gigant margin. Fx it will take my Mac Studio Max to encode a 4k@60fps video to AV1 10 hours. My new tiny Asus NUC 14 PRO 7 (Core Ultra 7) will take only 4 minutes. Boom! Mac is trash when it comes to AV1, currently! Hopefully M4 versions (mini/studio) will change this.
What bugs me is that everybody tests against Intel because they are available. While we know for some time now that current and previous gen Intel CPUs suck for mobile with both performance and power efficiency. Now if only AMD were using something like an Ryzen 7840U, that would be an interesting comparison ....
Benchmarks are cool and yes, the X Elite is sexy and exciting as are the other leading ARM chips, However, as a “pro” with a range of computing needs, i believe all of these video reviews are, dare I say it, misleading. They don’t cover the most important issues with modern computing, and that has to do with compatibility. Neither Windows IOR Mac’s ARM processors are capable of serving all app needs yet. Mac M chips are prob best of the lineup for editing but can’t game for sh*t which loses a lot of users. It also can’t run a lot of windows apps in parallels due to the lack of x86. Elite X covers a lot of app compatibility but still can’t run pro apps efficiently because of its emulation. I’m rambling. You get the point. The benchmarks are numbers - not true workflow performance.
If you cant run your favorite softwares on laptop then what one should do with battery.... chew it? .....unless softwares are developed for this qualcom chip this is pretty much useless no one buy laptop for watching youtube or browsing....windows laptops are used through out the world there are billions softwares already developed for intel which cannot be swtiched in one or two years .....windows pcs are 75 percent of all laptops ....therefore, at this stage getting x elite based laptop is wastage of money......
That was my biggest frustration with windows laptops was battery life and resolution compared to macbook air 15. I am definitely buying the snapdragon laptops as the battery life is way better now.
That’s pretty sad Intel. The Qualcomm X-Elite chips run x86/x64 code faster than Intel. Perhaps Intel should stop making CPUs because they’re not even competitive anymore.😂
"if you care about gaming" seriously? who doesnt care about gaming? this is good publicity for microsoft that their old laptop basically destroys the new one. also, why is the new laptop so expensive? snapdragon should cost less than half the price of an intel based laptop. you clearly are not getting what you pay for.
It's impressive for ARM chip but i'm going to choose the Intel One. If all apps are optimized for ARM, i'll be changing my opinion. Lunar Lake & Zen 5 are going to be monsters
Max, please, do a video comparison for anti-reflective coating quality between various Mac/windows laptops you have access to. The problem is that glossy screens hardly usable when working with text unless they have proper anti reflective coating. It's especially relevant nowadays, when dark mode supported in most of the apps, and even macOS/Windows support it now. When you use dark mode app with text (source code, web page, article, spreadsheet data) and your screen just cheap glossy, you see a mix of text and reflections, just a mess...
If you are working indoors, you won't have a problem with the Surface Laptop. The Surface Pro 11 screen blows them all out though. Just make sure to buy it with that OLED screen.
It's so funny that when Apple released their XDR Pro display with glossy finish, all Apple fans drooled over the glossy model, but now it's a fight between a Microsoft glossy and an Apple anti-reflective, we're back at glossy being useless. Don't you guys have any standards?!
@williamcopeland2617 , just making screen brighter isn't really good solution, since too bright screen is uncomfortable for the eyes and not recommended health-wise. Plus it would eat laptop battery faster. Also, OLEDs aren't great for everyone - they have PWM flickering, and some people sensitive to it, even to ~1400hz screen pwm. Some windows glossy laptops do have proper anti reflective coating. But really a few.
Simple. Don't use dark mode. Problem solved. I completely do not understand why people code hours on end with a mirror on their face and use a dark theme and make things even worse.
I have Windows laptop at work with glossy screen without proper anti reflective coating, and reflections are quite noticeable even with light themes. It's still relevant issue.
the only thing that Microsoft needs to do are completely push the app developer to improve on arm chips. so people will consider arm and maybe new manufacturer such as Samsung and mediatek will also joining in in arm PC based CPU market.
And the intel chip can do egpu. Snapdragons gpu sucks. Which sucks big time for architects and other designers who render. So the SL6 get his work done and submits it faster so no worries if laptop dies, while SL7 is slower in submitting a render to his boss but then Netflix’s after because he needs to forget about submitting late! Haha
If you compare x86 against arm, please at least use a x86 product from a leader x86 manufacture. Does it make any sense even if arm won against a trash x86 product?
ARM has a long way to go before it becomes relevant let alone competitive in the x86 space. I would advise everyone to skip at least 3 generations before even considering it.
Which one is faster in case of Numerical calculation or Simulations .. Snapdragon X plus, intel Core Ultra 7 or snapdragon X elite... ? Which one will be the better Choice for a Computational Biologists. ??
