Did the Seattle Seahawks get good value in the 2024 NFL Draft?

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@italianknight78 17 дней назад

The reason we didn't get back to the SB is because we abandoned the trenches to pay Russell.

@urmanascrewed 17 дней назад

And drafted horrendously.

@PDXpsych 17 дней назад

I disagree completely, Russ rode out his pitiful 3rd round rookie contract to the end, no hold-out no nothing, then signed a fairly team-friendly contract in 2015 for a franchise QB at 4yrs/80mil total. We had some bad drafts and bad trades like getting rid of our good center in Unger for Jimmy Graham who we did nothing with. The defense aged out, and after Beastmode our RB’s couldn’t stay healthy, so yeah the offense became Russ-centric and four years later he took a huge payday. But to say we abandoned the trenches is ignorant, Okung, Ifedi, Carpenter, Collier, McDowell, bro we sank so many high picks into the trenches it’s stupid, but nearly all of them missed

@jordan3305 17 дней назад

No lol, we did draft a lot of oline if you actually look at how many picks went towards the oline. The issue was they either reached or waited until later rounds to get those players or just drafted badly in general. Russ being paid had nothing to do with it.

@florinzam6964 17 дней назад

Draft was not sexy, mostly trenches guys, we'll see how it goes in the years to come but I trust the process

@lirej2307 16 дней назад

I agree but when you have to address the trenches yeah it’s not going to be sexy but we gotta do what we have to do in order to have this team succeed

@adlwilliams 17 дней назад

I like all the big buff dudes we got😮

@davidgabrie1302 17 дней назад

We got stronger against the run, it will be hard for a team to run 300 yards against us like Pittsburgh did last year.

@donttrip1818 17 дней назад

Dont get ahead of yourself because of one player. The steelers can do it again if we played them. We need like 2 more good dlinemen maybe

@joshn3579 17 дней назад

big part of that is because brooks was out that game and he was great at getting in gaps

@enigma9971 16 дней назад

As long as we get away from a 3-4 scheme

@ilikeme1234 17 дней назад

The big thing is not reaching in the first two days. I kind of look at the TE pick as a wash, since that position is so hard to evaluate in college. I personally value the blocking more than receiving for the position since I think it’s harder to coach competent blocking than catching. That said, no big reaches in rounds that matter and generally good value or on the nose.

@Shoulderdevil2023 17 дней назад

really pleased to see Schneider avoiding weird stretch picks and focusing on need positions- last year was fantastic. Let's keep it going to compete with Niners for Division!

@enigma9971 16 дней назад

Then why didn't we get a safety? How many cornerbacks do we need?

@BenEnlet29 17 дней назад

After watching some film breakdowns on other channels i gotta say that Murphy has the potential to be a top 3 defensive tackle in the league. His pass rush is very good and his run blocking is underatted. Its actually scary to think that hes only going to get stronger and will be able to learn from Lenoard williams and Jarran Reed. He consistently beats double teams and has great instincts. The perfect fit in mcdonals defense

@user-mz1en1tn5k 17 дней назад

We'll stop the run better and we should be able to protect the QB better. Gotta be happy about that.

@Johnnyprc 17 дней назад

True, but our LB core is a MAJOR ?. Thought we could have focused on that a bit more hoping to get lucky.

@wrestlemarq1060 17 дней назад

I honestly think Byron Murphy was a top 10 player in this class easily. Only players I had over him was Williams, Maye, Alt, Bowers, Nabers, Harrison, Odunze.

@DREADEYE_KNIGHT 13 дней назад

Murphy gonna have more meaningful impact for the hawks than alt bowers nabers and odunze will have for their teams Harrison is the only wr that SHOULD have gone in the top 10

@ArjunGhag-ix7te 17 дней назад

Superb video BN. Thank you. Love ur logical presentation. Grade A on R1 R3 R5 R6. 5 out of 8 picks are great value. Happy to let JS & Mac take a swing on 3 x day 3 boys they love in the hope of hitting a home run. R1 R2 R3 matters much more than day 3. Cuz days 1 & 2 went brilliantly JS & Mac took gambles in R4 for thier faves. As per Mike Sando's deep dive research, a great draft is one where u get 1 pro-bowler (e.g R2 DKM) 2 solid starter (e.g R3 T.Lockett) 3 an OK back-up (e.g day 3 Stone Forsythe) An amazing occurs once in a decade for good teams & is where u find a HoF (Hall of Famer). Eg Sherman. Even if all the other picks fail but u get one HoF, its an amazing draft. Look at Hawks history, how many HoFs have we had in nearly half a century? Well Done Mr Nelson.

@user-uu9sk5nb9g 17 дней назад

They are building inside out!! It doesn't matter what WE think, it matters what direction the team wants to go!!

@jesselund360 17 дней назад

I loved this draft.

@upoceo 17 дней назад

Those peak values are worthless. Did I see correctly from your screen that Dallin Holker peaked at the 6th best player in the whole draft? Might as well throw out the peak.

@MXNDS3T 17 дней назад

Holker wouldn’t surprise me if he turns out to be one of the best players from this draft

@neilm71 17 дней назад

Do the same study on our 3 division opponents. Just to see if you’re completely off base or on to something.

@EricTams 17 дней назад

Which chart do you prefer when valuing how to trade draft picks?

@TheSkyline5467 17 дней назад

The day 3 thing is a great point and a concession I felt was very fair and wise of you to point out; the ability of the consensus to know players as intimately as NFL teams do tends to fall off the deeper in you get.

@Zaknyfein 17 дней назад

The question we needed to ask: in the context of the Seahawk's roster, was Murphy the best player at the position of most need? Last season, it seemed to me that from the snap, the ball and the rush often got to Geno at the same time, so no, our O-line is totally fly-blown. (Ranked 30th in the League) We needed all our picks to be in the trenches, both sides of the ball...No Pete Carroll and John calling the shots seems good to me.

@joshn3579 17 дней назад

at least one of our starting tackles were injured injured most games, missing some and playing not at 100% at others. unless lucas’s shoulder injury lingers post surgery that shouldn’t be as much of a problem

@enigma9971 16 дней назад

Olu should have been the starting center all last season. Hopefully he will be this season

@MegaTriumph1 17 дней назад

It would be nice if you could do some looking at the UDFA class an exciting group. QB's RB's TE's OL. As far as the Seahawks picks in the draft I like what happened they went after the trench's and went after the trench's hardcore to button up the leaks. Off to a good start for the new coach's.

@bigwavedave8492 17 дней назад

Great stuff, man. Thanks for the info

@Construct87 16 дней назад

They probably took Barner because they got sniped on Ja'Tavion Sanders who got picked by CAR 1 pick ahead of us. So he must've been their next TE and they didnt want to miss out on him either. DJ James in the 6th is a steal. Chris Simms had him as a Tier 2 Corner, one of the must fluid guys in the class, just undersized

@428lonewolf 17 дней назад

You can't just pick by the big board value. You also need to consider the individual team need. For instance, TE AJ Barner. Yes, there were higher ranked TEs, but not in the blocking, which is what we we're looking for. So you need to make your pics based on your need not what the big board says.

@ryandamey 17 дней назад

Theo Johnson was gone after we traded down, selected with the 7th pick of the 4th round.

@honyc9672 17 дней назад

this is the dumbest thing ive ever seen. the aggregate is a horrible way to determine value. it is very rarely correct when you look at it in hindsight and also very different from most team's big boards. i trust the big boards of the actual teams a lot more because they have pro scouts and resources we dont have. also, most of the "steals" in the draft actually dont become steals if you look at the draft a couple of years later

@danielbrown9769 17 дней назад

It's the best we've got to be fair to Brendon, we can only get pieces of individual teams big boards

@WAFishQuest 17 дней назад

This is the dumbest thing you've ever seen? Hold my beer ...

@2jyeti909 17 дней назад

It's true. Every team's big board will be different and BPA. Never believe in mock drafts, it's all projection.

@greenearth975 17 дней назад

OK, then go grab every team's big board and aggregate it.

@jeffn5388 17 дней назад

Possibly what may have happened is that players were drafted in McDonald's image and Possibly that match up to value

@trxe420 17 дней назад

I think you need to ask the question differently, the quest is could we have got "better" value? The problem I have is day 3 and not the positions we took, but I thought there was better value on the board and better players we could have taken. Obviously that is subjective, but the whole thing is subjective even the "consensus". Maybe they thought the player they took were the ones that had the highest value, fine, I don't agree. We will have to see a few years down the road how it all plays out.

@JackSparrow-yl8my 17 дней назад

Looked to me like they mixed it up a bit. We got best value at pick, some projects with high upside and went for needs. I really like this draft and think they did very well. I am not going to question Project player picks on day 3.

@handemout4760 17 дней назад

@Seahawks Brendon Nelson... you're evaluations are legit. I respect your channel and your methodical and objective analysis of the draft and specifically of the Seahawks drafting. Keep up the good work and thank you for your hard work.

@C4mrin 16 дней назад

Like what you are doing Brendon and understand you are benchmarking against consensus however value is subjective against what you consider important ie pass catching TE against an inline Run blocking TE

@notimportant1000 17 дней назад

The first two were under sized slam dunks but besides that the other picks are a bunch of question marks

@resultsfitnessco 17 дней назад

TBF fans, including mysel,f always complain about week OL and DL. so, this makes sense they addressed it, just unfortunate all at once.

@Johnnyprc 17 дней назад

My only small disagreement is getting a TE in the 4th - I just think we needed another LB. Blocking TEs are commonly available, and we have Fant for passing. LB is the real ? still for this team and I think we needed to take another swing at that position.

@MoBarclay 17 дней назад

Flipflop Barner and Pritchett, and you're good to go.

@gerritfridericksohn4627 16 дней назад

I don't know if I'm a Seahawks fan anymore. Mcdonald looks like a cop and Schneider colors his hair.

@enigma9971 16 дней назад

I think it's funny that you graded Byron Murphy a B-

@geraldturner4770 17 дней назад

Happy happy joy joy! But Ren, it's all gonna work out.

@BIGDAWG5252 16 дней назад

I wanna see a video of why you are so dkwn on Murphy

@BIGNA281 17 дней назад

As long as Pete doesnt have his hands on the drafts anymore, is good with me 😅

@PhilipSimons 17 дней назад

I needed this video.

@sfnfootball9523 17 дней назад

Picking by “value” is a horrible way to go about the draft. The best Seahawks class ever was deemed an F by most analysts. Seattle got who they thought was the best players. I guarantee that they didn’t look at that stupid value chart.

@warrenjohn1307 17 дней назад

Pointing to a once in a lifetime outlier as a rule is not a strategy. Our HC was longtime college coach, you saw the drafts that were considered Fs after that. They were real bad at trying to be the smartest guys in the room.

@2jyeti909 17 дней назад

Well it worked the last 2 years? So what's your point. You're judging these picks and they haven't played a down in the NFL. 😂

@pltatman1 17 дней назад

There's some subtlety that goes into it that you're not considering. Suppose you draft a player in the 4th that you likely could have gotten in the 5th or 6th. How much talent did you just pass up to ensure you're getting a player that the probabilities suggest you would have gotten anyway if you'd just waited? You have to draft with your brain, not just with your player assessments.

@colbyrjackson 17 дней назад

Everyone thought the Lions had the worst draft last year…

@standardchampion 17 дней назад

Bpa is superior to picking for need.

@sKRAZED206 17 дней назад

B+ draft class. But if Byron makes it to the pro bowl A+

@rockmandrums343 17 дней назад

I think the draft was very well thought out for value fit and scheme giving these new coaches some much needed pieces to be competitive this year, winning the division hmm probably not but , if these guys buy in and execute at the highest of levels we might just make the playoffs, really that's all I'm hoping for is to kick some division ass 😂 and just get back to playing smash mouth football, go hawks 👏 trenches baby boom smash 😉

@BIGDAWG5252 16 дней назад

I was praying for Murphy for MONTHS. I dont think they could have done better even if they picked 1 over all. Please at some point share little more in depth why your down on the Murphy monster

@miedan21 16 дней назад

In your math, I think you have to figure in the trade back with Denver, trading 102 and 235 for 121, 135, 207, two of which are in the objective view you’ve presented as not valued.

@HolyHandGrenade. 17 дней назад

We got a B on the knight pick by BR, so take what u will at that

@JackSparrow-yl8my 17 дней назад

He will probably be a starter next year. My guess is Seattle resigns wichever of the two on one yr deals who is best and lets the other walk insert Mcknight with a yr under his belt BOOM . It's just a guess though.

@jeffn5388 17 дней назад

Possibly did not match up to value

@ronaldbayless8483 17 дней назад

After your criticism of Their #16 pick I stopped listening to you. You gotta take your emotions out of it and do your homework

@Dreamy8900 17 дней назад

He’s not speaking emotionally and he said he didn’t do enough research and might change his grade after looking at more film

@RESTORINGTHEFEELING 17 дней назад

Yea it’s obvious he doesn’t like the pick & went & found “numbers” to passively aggressive trash the picks under the guise of “objectivity 🥴” 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@Hawks438 17 дней назад

539

@upoceo 17 дней назад

Your point about Murphy's value is totally fair and accurate. I think some of it is... did we get good value for us and our needs? Unless we bench or cut Dre'Mont Jones, Murphy isn't even going to start for us. He's going to come off the bench, and it's unlikely that he'll play more than 50% of the snaps as the 2nd defensive player picked in the whole draft. We knew that Witherspoon was going to start one way or another and play 90% of the snaps. Are we getting good value if our only pick in the first two rounds plays (let's say) 30% of the snaps next season? Murphy would have been great value for Atlanta at 8 even though he was ranked 13th. So the value question needs to be expanded beyond just where a player is ranked.

@pltatman1 17 дней назад

I think we can use the preseason to let Jones and Murphy duke it out for who deserves more snaps. They can push each other to excel.

@jeffad135 17 дней назад

My bet is that Murphy is going to start unless he stinks it up in training camp. I would be surprised if he is not the day 1 starter.

@brianmyers4444 17 дней назад

Jones will return to his natural position as an end, next to Murphy inside….

@RESTORINGTHEFEELING 17 дней назад

I’m gonna go head & trust McDonald until he gives us reason not to trust him….Anything else is just chatter…Respectfully

@danielbrown9769 17 дней назад

502nd

@MrCorrndog 17 дней назад

503rd

@jarrettchristensen_music 17 дней назад

it wasn't their best draft but they picked at least 3 players that will start in 2024

@Mr05Chuck 17 дней назад

501st

@chriswilson1384 17 дней назад

The coaches we have are giving impute on top of our"PRO" scouts and of course ..John! Are you and this big board working for for a NFL team..NO!!

@anthonymauc3262 17 дней назад

Maybe this is an unpopular opinion but talking about “value” on day 3 picks is so lame. Obviously teams had different rankings than the board you show. Start talking about the players and not the pick number. Swap Knight with Laumea or James and suddenly you have good value in your picks based off certain rankings. I get u have to get views but come on man

@pltatman1 17 дней назад

I'll say this for the value proposition on day 3. Did you draft a player in the 4th round that you likely could have gotten in the 5th or 6th? If so, you're passing up a lot of talent simply to ensure that you get the player you want. That's a risky way to go about your business. But there is also the insider stuff we don't know, like intel on other team's draft strategies and how that factors into the selections.

@RESTORINGTHEFEELING 17 дней назад

Advanced analytics got dudes at home thinkin they know better than coaches & “the eye test” in pro sports today…U Hate to see it😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@anthonymauc3262 17 дней назад

@@pltatman1 doesn’t the second part of ur comment go against the first part? How we we know that we could have gotten players two or three rounds later? Because some random sports account said so, or 1 of the multiple different draft websites? Clearly the Seahawks have players like Knight high on their draft boards. So to them it can be good value. Anyways we won’t know if it was a good value pick until a year or two or three down the line

@pltatman1 17 дней назад

@@anthonymauc3262 I would say it balances the first part. There's always a lot of factors for a GM to consider--some conflicting--and they are on the clock. As far as the difference between how teams scout vs how fans and analysts scout, it is true that casuals don't have access to professional scouting evaluations. But what we do have is film study, and a lot of it. So the quality of player evaluations heavily depends on the value of the source, and their diligence.

@pltatman1 17 дней назад

@@anthonymauc3262 I should mention that Macdonald is high on his own ability to coach linebackers--he is to linebackers what Carroll was to cornerbacks--so he probably doesn't mind taking a guy who's a little raw but with better athleticism.

@deejayw2243 17 дней назад

Nobody draft for value this video is dumb

@deejayw2243 17 дней назад

Like if you like a player got picked 86 and the value was 176 nobody cares

@brianmyers4444 17 дней назад

If a player on the teams big board was ranked 30 and they were able to get him at 81 (over the player they had ranked 81st)….thats drafting for value….

@deejayw2243 17 дней назад

@@brianmyers4444 no I’m saying if the “value” is within a Round (32 picks ) who cares it’s the 4 fucking round

@particleinthewave8378 17 дней назад

It’s an interesting thought experiment and I appreciate your efforts to look at it as objectively as possible HOWEVER, the problem when any ranking system is that the reality of success or failure has so many variables that you simply cannot account for. While it’s a fun discussion to have as fans I can’t take anyone including myself to seriously! Anytime anyone gets so sure they’ve cracked the code I simply remind my friends and fellow fans of two memorable Hawks….Rick Mirer and Doug Baldwin. Those two examples alone prove how wrong even the best concensus by the most qualified evaluator’s can be! At the end of the day the only real measure of “value” will come AfTER these young men play the game from here on out.

@RESTORINGTHEFEELING 17 дней назад

Bingo…This whole approach is overthinking using advanced analytics that mean absolutely nothing until games are played,McDonald coaches, & some on the field equity is had…