Did the SOUL SOCIETY ARC Have the STRONGEST Gotei 13 in Bleach? | Discussion 

Use code "TOMMO" for $5 off your first #Sakuraco box through my link: team.sakura.co/MrTommo2304 or your first #TokyoTreat box through my link: team.tokyotreat.com/MrTommo2304 Did the Soul Society Arc have a stronger version of the Gotei 13 than TBTP, TYBW, or any other time in Bleach? Let me know your thoughts and opinions down in the comments!

Maybe after this, you'll make a gotei 13 with the 13 captains who you think are the strongest

Gin Ichimaru is my favorite character. Honestly I think Gin would've THRIVED in Shisui's Soul Society, Gin with his sneaky nature and ability to put morals aside for the sake of pragmatism and efficiency in completing the mission would've done well with Shisui's "Win at any cost." Mentality. I honestly think Soul Society suffered under Shisui without Ukitake to balance him out, they could've done with allot less deaths and TYBWA would've been a perfect opportunity to showcase squad 2 taking a counter stealth invasion of the Wandenreich with Gin and Soi-fon being the generals on that front I could see them taking Quincy territory.

This wait for TYBW Part 2 feels longer than the 10 years I waited for part 1

I think it's often underrated how powerful Gin was. The guy toyed with a hollow ask, bankai Ichigo who had just received yet ANOTHER powerup. Plus his Shikai and Bankai while simple are deceptively powerful. Even without the one shot poison. It's a shame we didn't get to see how much stronger Gin would have gotten in the TYBW.

You should do a create your own Gotei 13. Like pick the person you'd want to be captain, lieutenant, and third seat out of every person that's ever been in that division.

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The Gotei 13 had multiple shifts in power from pre timeskip to TYBW around No breaths from hell. I however am glad to see that they move into the next generation with new Shinigami captains and vice captains.

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Ultimately they were strong but in the end the Quincies showed that it was a facade. However now in the postwar era Shunsui has initiated a series of reforms that make it far easier to join Gotei 13 including removing the old exclusionary, highly selective recruitment policies while installing a fast track internship first step to join program alongside prioritizing true skills over origins.

Idk if it's fair to count Gin and Aizen into the Gotei strength, since it's clearly implied (at least in Aizens case and by association Gins too) that they where sandbaging their combat skills and its unlikely that they would go full out when fighting for the Soul Society

Really curious what Aizen would have done if the Quincy invasion happened before his betrayal. Would he have tipped his hand about the truth of his zanpaktou?

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This was a great video. I have a potential video idea, what if instead of just ranking the soul society captains, you rank all of the capital s in their strongest versions, apart from maybe Individuals we know close to nothing about such as iba, or kiganjo.

You are so correct on the ’turn back the pendulu-arc'! just imagine If it was Shinjn & Aizen that went rogue together! How the f**k do you beat that combo? Everything is upside down and reversed… and when you realize it… you still have no clue that you are still in a illusion!! Thats f**ked up! 🤯🤯🤯😂😂😂

Not sure if it’s fair to say nemu has the same capabilities during the ss arc, since the whole point of her character arc in tybw was to show that she had evolved over time and gained the capabilities as she grew, even if she technically did possess the same power inside all along (honestly kinda like kenpachi)

Talking about the different iterations of the Gotei 13 made me think, how many large scale threats have they faced between their original war against the Quincy and the start of the series? It seems like the relatively short amount of time from the Soul Society arc to the end of the series accelerated the strength growth of so many captains/vice captains compared to their predecessors who spent centuries to be as strong (or not even as strong) as the EoS captains

I'd love to see a theory craft as to If/When Ichigo joins the Gotei 13, and if so, how strong would they look

Like this video, my dude!! but uhh, on a different note, I was wondering what your thoughts are on who would fill in for squad zero if they all suddenly died. Like, who do you think replace them. Which captains would be asked to join such a squad i wonder.? I have no idea if you have done a video on that. If you have, please direct me to that!! 😮

I'd say from a military standpoint, the Gotei under Shunsui is vastly superior to any iteration that Yama would have. Shunsui would do everything he can, use any tactic to win. Yama would never have unleashed Aizen against the Quincy.

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I just feel like the level of power that captains have at the end of the series outclasses everyone, like the power scaling goes crazy

I think we would enjoy a Bleach anime or manga set during a young yama's time.

When you were talking about the tenth squad I thought you were gonna mention the fact rangiku didn't have a large or significant portion of her power which would render he weaker or temper her potential, which is a crazy thing to think about since shes a lieutenant

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If you count Mr. Head Captain and Azien it is by far the strongest Gotei 13 ^^

The turn back the pendulum grump is insanely strong

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Don't forget the 11th one of the only divisions to have multiple roughly lieutenant level individuals

Deamn now I want to see a ranking of all the divisions throughout the years.

The one thing i think was missed on is the cohesiveness of the Gotei 13. The Gotei from the Soul Society arch is one who will not work together in almost any way, as we see in the Anime, where almost every captain has a totally different goal than another, and often are in direct conflict with one another, even to the point where many of the captains do not follow commands from their Leader Old Man Yama. And so i actually struggle to see this group of highly powered, but fragmented Gotei doing much better, if not even worse in the TYBW than the one we saw go through that event.

I think another point to consider is the Gotei 20 years prior with Isshin may have also had Kaien alive at the time which would further bolster that version‘s strength

"So for fairness' sake...we're not counting those guys. Gettem outta here!" That line is hilarious. Also, I really love this idea being thrown around the comments of seeing your ultimate Gotei 13 lineup, and I'm including captains and vice captains as well in that. I think each captain is complimented very well by their second in command, and they wouldnt be the captains they are without those vice captains

I think we need some new characters or more abilities because I seem to notice that enemies have that bit of a ridiculous none physical, there are some that's why I like mayuri, less physical but takes the intelligence to out wit. Kenpachi will always be my favourite.

While it didn't get much focus, I feel that the fifth division under Aizen/Gin could potentially be stronger than under Shinji/Aizen but it's hard to say for sure

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Mr Tommo while i agree with you about the tybw ending captains being the weakest form of the gotei 13. We also have to consider the partners they have now. Nel, grimmjow, the fullbringers, some quincy which are captain level, an overpowered Ichigo, also relaible guys like kisuke and yoruichi. So they have powerful partners that can rival the SS captains.

Tough for me to really say 100%. Yamamoto having his bankai where it was, presumably, and Aizen even pre-hogyoku very likely puts the SS arc at their peak...but Yoruichi and Kisuke were very much far superior to their replacements and that loss in power should be taken into account. Then Isshin leaving. I would like to think that SS Aizen wasn't enough to make up for their loss even with Gin being stronger than most probably gave him credit for back then too. Byakuya seems like he could be stronger than Ginrei but we don't really know I guess. I'd say it's close between SS arc and TBTP's team. Yama, Unohana, Shunsui, and maybe Ukitake (who just gets weaker as the years go) are the only constants in power. The revolving cast is what decides this and I think Yoruichi and Kisuke are just overall stronger than a majority, if not all, of those that came after barring Aizen 1v1 and Kenpachi at the end.

Thoughts on the vid. BTW, I'd love for you to possibly rank captains by Spiritual pressure, because I had a recent revelation from rereading TYBWA that Ukitake had the most Spiritual pressure in the SOUL SOCIETY. Look up him referencing his "sickness" to avoid spoilers on my comment. I wonder if the stealth force would actually try to kill yoruichi since I thought shes still a princess and their job is to keep her safe? the one negative thing I had about the arrancar arc is there was a perfectly good opportunity to kill off Omaeda and they didn't do it... what a shame. "with two of the three smartest people as captains in this arc"... Me - so inferior to the prior gotei's level of intelligence as Kisuke was able to accomplish much more advanced things without either of them running anything lol While I agree that there are a ton of unknowns with the final Gotei, I still think they are the strongest. Why? In short, they may have the most Hax of them all. Two comparable Ice Bankai are busted. Who needs Ryu Jin Jakka, when you can have two opposites that can be utilized together or separately? shunsui is looking more like his bankai than ever, and I'd argue that he would have better tactics than Yama as he (to me) is the most merciless of them all once pushed to that end. Nozerashi and the ability to cut literally anything by a guy who can fight for weeks it seems. Byakuya post Soul Palace training boosted his power significantly (whatever this really means in practice however. are is petals now bigger? unbreakable? what? ) while his Shikai got an upgrade closer to his old bankai. additional bankai that exist after this period vs the SS arc is significant so it's interesting to me to see the SS arc being claimed to be the strongest since I am assuming that also means the extra bankai achieved here by the VC are not significant? Ikkaku, Renji, etc. Downsides to this arc Gotei Soifon is still sadly in charge of a squad yet can't kill one main opponent without assistance ( Barragon box, Urahara "Black pill") but that's a negative to every arch she's a captain. she does get stronger in the shunpo though? Unknowns Of course, Aizen isn't out of the muken.. Yet, but in around 18,799 years he apparently will be, and if there were a threat during this time, I assume he'd probably assist. I don't recall this but did Central 46 take time off his sentence for assisting the SS in killing Ywach? Captains Lisa, Isane, and Tetsuzaemon both obviously have bankai (since they are captains and it's a requirement for all who gain a position outside of squad 11) but I don't want to add them as a weight just yet. also.. would Ichigo just become a captain when he dies? will he die or age in any significant way, or will he just stop living in the meat suit and go be a future Gotei Captain at some point with orihime? I mean, Orihime doesn't ever have to die if she doesn't want to lol. she can just reverse time when she wants lol.

@MrTommo... Please do a video of what would the 13Gotei look like if Toshiro was an old men leader of the 1st division, and Yamamoto was a child prodigy like Toshiro...

That cast in particular, each all of their powers revealed in and leading up to TYBW, it's a pretty scary group. Just Yamamoto with both arms in Bankai simply isn't beatable. It doesn't matter what powers someone else has if they cant even exist anywhere near you without being erased from said existence.

She didn't seem too incredibly pleased that you immediately knew Rangiku's zanpakuto release call 😂

We know Reji wasn't vice captian during everything but the rain. We know in the subsitute soul reaper arc that he was just promoted.

You should do a video about Soul Society arc Gotei vs the first Quincy invasion

I really think it depends on what you value more. If you want a more balanced Gotei 13, I would say SS or EBTR is the best iteration. But, if you think having characters like Kenpachi, Toshiro, Byakuya, Renji and Mayuri at a way higher level makes up for some of the new untested Captains and Lieutenants, I could see why you would rather pick the Hell arc version. I think a big point is that while Ukitake is supposed to be very powerful, we never really get a good idea of how strong he really is. Especially when compared to Yama, Unohana and Shunsui, who are all clearly shown to be absolute powerhouses. So until we get to see Ukitake's full potential, I would say Rukia makes for a more impressive 13th Division Captain, especially when she has had 12 years to master her Bankai.

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I pray that kubo not only continues and finishes the hell arc .. but I hope that gin gets major appearances . A few battles . All of that jazz. I couldn’t help but think of how ulquiorra and gin would’ve wrecked the sternritter . Perhaps not wrecked but they would’ve aided tremendously . Ulquiorra with his intelligence , cold calculations , and hollow reishi to combat the power craze of the sternritter . Gin would’ve gave almost all of them except jugram and Lille a fight for their money .

I don't know if you'll see this but,I just had a thought what would an interaction look like with aizen and the former members of his espada look like in the 1000 year blood war🤔

This video makes me want a follow up of what batch of vice captains are the strongest. Anyways, I think the TBTP era Gotei is the strongest. It has every single major powerhouse (albeit some weaker back then) that everything in the future has, as well as some others. Despite what was later said about the original Gotei 13, the TBTP era has Urahara, Aizen, Yoruichi, Gin, Sasakibe, Yamamoto, Shunsui, Ukitake, Hikifune, and Unohana in their ranks although not all at captains. 5 of these characters are from the original Gotei 13 era, 1 is zero division worthy, and all should be with little argument on par with the original captains. If you figure that some of the weaker original Gotei and at quite the same level as these characters there's probably a good argument that just before TBTP the Gotei 13 are as strong as they've ever been.

I think soul society gotei 13 was the strongest overall including the first set 1000 years ago. Azien and Yammato are outliers and tip the scale, I also think old Yammato is stronger than his previous self. Yuhawch stated his bankai has evolved. Also I don't see the old captains eclipising Ukitaka, Shunsui and Unohnana(consider her on par with her old self).

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Yeah, idk if I agree with this, end of war arc goteis pretty cracked. The like only question is... is it cracked enough to deal with Aizen and Yamamoto being gone? I'd say yes. Aizen in the SS arc wasn't evolved yet, and he legit didn't wanna fight Kenpachi til he was. So I'd argue end of series Kenpachi with his powers unlocked alone probably over powers base aizen. And then add on shikai and bankai? Yeah. Aizen seems to consider Kenny a tier above himself. Just like Yamamoto. And then add on Byakuya, and Adult Toshiro? I think the trio that fought Girard are strong enough to compensate for Aizen and Yamamoto. And then look at how basically every other captain and vice captain got stronger too.

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Renji only got promoted a month before the series start. So Renji was probably still with the 11th division back when Isshin was Captain.

I think Aizen, Gin and Tousen has a similar type of dilema to them as Unohana. Yes they are strong, but would they actually fight for the Soul Society? At the time they were planning to betray the SS, and I think it very unlikely that, in case of some enemy attacking SS, they would react in a way that was actually beneficial to the SS. They might pretend to help, but really use the situation to weaken the Gotei or something... I think that much more likely than Unohana not using her fighting ability in a crisis tbh. She has just put her violent ways aside, she hasn't actually forgotten who she were or has a split personality or something

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While overall I'd agree with your assessment, I still think the massive boosts in power of some characters by the end of the series can alone make the last version comparable if not more powerful. But as a whole this group is definitely more well rounded and understood in scaling, so I can't argue your logic behind it

Seeing as we haven't seen enough about the 1st iteration (said to be strongest), then yes. Due to having Aizen and Gin alone.

Great video You're! I think You're giving gin too much credit hes definitely not dwarfing byakuya and kenpachi but rather on the same level

He said Gotei 13 sooooo many times. It’s stuck in my head!

Idk. I wouldn't put Tousen under Soifon or Hitsugaya pre TYBW. Hitsugaya was struggling against Grimmjaws lackeys to even cut him[i know, the limiters], while Tousen cuttin Grimmjaws hand off and putting him in his place. He took down Kensei before even becoming a captain while Soifon at the time was fangirling over Yoroichi. She did good against Baragan but that was mostly Hachi in my opinion whereas Tousen fought komomora and Hisagi and had them on the ropes

Start doing blood lines in bleach and explain how they may inherent or be weaker compared to their parents !!!!! I would love that video. Imagine a Chad blood line where his son would be weak with a human, but with soifon, an assassin with skills is born. Example

Soifon's ruthlessness and strict/potentially lethal discipline in this time certainly compromised Squad 2's effectiveness, not just that they were facing Yoruichi. They showed no real initiative and where visibly stiff. Undoubtedly they subconsciously did not want to displease and risk the wrath of Soifon. That's the main problem with such a harsh authoritarian environment. I'm sure Yoruichi had a frank talk with Soifon afterwards showing her that it's far better to have actual comrades rather than expendable pawns, a reflection of her old command.

I think the end of the story Gotei is lot stronger that people get them credit for. Yeah, they lost some heavy hiters, but the upgrades that a lot of captain's and vice captains get in TYBW makes up for that easly.

Please make a what if the quincy invaded during this gotei lineup aizen included

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6:22 kenpachi’s katana always bothered me here, I get his blade is supposed to be battle worn and chipped down. But how are some parts poking out wider than the habaki?

Just a note about the last point, doesn't the EBTR Gotei also have Kaien Shiba? Or did he die before the flashback?

just before turn back the clock you had hikifune which is well above captain level too

37:15 I am wondering, about the vice captains, is Kaien Shiba alive at this point ? If yes it would be another point for 'everything but the rain'...

How about the best designed Captains or the ones with the most Drip

As for everything but the rain, youd gain Isshin as captain, but lose a lot with Kira, Momo, Toshiro, and Renji. At that point, Renji is still a seated officer in 11th division and likely still a bit weaker than Ikkaku. Unsure when Kira and Momo became lieutenants, or if they were even seated officers at that point. Kira might even be 4th division, as he spend time there as well. So gain a powerful captain, but lose Renji's bankai, and possibly Toshiro's as well...as he was a third seat at the time, having been a shinigami only 10-15 years.

It’d be cool to do some speculation on how the story would’ve progressed if Orihime actually betrayed Ichigo and the others to be with the Espada, I feel like it’d alter the course of the story drastically

If we are taking just the Gotei 13, id say EBTR. However the current Gotei 13 has more resources in that of allies. They got 3 very strong Espada which is kind of like another squad and also Yoruichi and Kisuke still around. Id say the biggest downside is that with Unohana gone, their healing capabilities went down the drain because I doubt Isane is anywhere near her. Yama is a major loss too but his way of running things was getting very stagnant compared to Shuisui.

I get your analysis though i would note that i have difficulty counting Aizen and co given they were moles and hiding their powers

I think Unohana would have gone all out against Aizen if she wasn't aware of his Shikai's ability, especially when Yamamoto got trapped [if she was in fake Karakura town instead of Hueco Mundo]

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I think that one shouldn't underestimate the fact that the turn back the pendulum Gotei can count on characters like Soifon, Urahara and Shinji among it's captains. And if we go beyond captains, we have characters like Tessai Tsukabishi and Hachi who were a part of the kido corps (the only iteration which we know of by the way), and characters like Gin and Mayuri, while not captains and less experienced and young (mainly talking about Gin here), are no less important. Finally, vice captains like Marechiyo and Kaien Shiba can also play a vital part. AND, talking about the Shiba's : at the time the clan members weren't outright parias, which should lead to a stronger, more united Gotei as a whole. It should also be of note that in either iteration of the Gotei, Aizen shouldn't really be fully counted as being part of the Gotei. Sure, he hasn't revealed himself and gone full rogue yet, but he is actively working against the Seireitei, as is Tosen (not counting Gin since he wanted to kill Aizen). So yeah, what do you think ?

I wonder what happened to Yaemada’s father from the previous group of captains? Shocking to see Yoruichi was his LT at the time, also is a captain allowed to step down from their position and pass it onto their LT or do they have to be removed by that joke central 46 or killed? Also It’s obvious the original 13 captains from so long ago was the strongest because back then it was the Wild West and only the strongest survive. They probably had a lot more problems and shit to deal with and not to mention they were all bloodthirsty heartless killers who were probably strict on those under them. Another thing I think that wasn’t mentioned was that Sasakibe (squad 1 LT) was one of the people back then killing Ywach people so he too was among the strongest although he haven’t been fighting for that long obviously lost his edge. Any group who acts the way they did with no regard for others living in a time like that would have to be that way in order to survive

A fan idea would be what if 0 Division stayed dead and 5 Captains/Prior Captains would need to be chosen as the new Royal Guard.

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This is probably a silly idea, but could you do something about aging in the soul society? How is byakuya's dad so old looking and how could their family be a long line of captains, but the one before this one looks way older than Yama. Why does unahana never age? Etc etc

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I was wondering, with the EBTR Gotei 13, was Renji even a Vice Captain yet? I'm thinking about the anime, but didn't Renji become VC shortly before Rukia departed for the Human World? Edit: It's probably pointless either way as I doubt Renji during that time would contribute too much to the EBTR Gotei 13's combat strength.

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No, because the original Gotei-13 1,000 years ago was stated to be the strongest Shinigami of all time. But they weren't just powerful; they were brutal, savage, power-hungry thugs. Not only was Unohana in her ''blood dripping from her eyes'' phase, but Yamamoto was in his prime (and by all accounts, was far more willing to burn you alive back then). And weren't all of the Zero Squad members originally Gotei? Because I fancy whatever team Ichibe was on.

Oh and what about the version of the Gotei with the Kenpachi with the broken bankai? Not sure if it was canon tho

What about a switch were you create a Gotei out of Quincy and Sternritten with Shinigami characters. If you want you can give Gotei Zanapktou to Quincy characters and all the known Shfifts to Gotei characters

Did you guys know that Sajin Komamura is actually the strongets Captain because he's my favorite and I love him.

The everything but the rain gotei also doesn't have Renji as byakuya's vice captain, im pretty sure he just got promoted when rukia left for the world of the living.

I think it's fair to say that Iba is at least as strong as Ikkaku throughout the series. They are good friends who spar together often. Iba's fighting ability is probably on par with Ikkaku (in order to have that level of respect from Madarame) while he is almost assuredly stronger in the other areas like Kido.

Sue Fong was missing in the Everything but the 🌧 arc. Does that mean that another captain was in her position before she was?

I had a video idea for you. A video on the fact that it should have been Tosen not GIn to actually betray Aisen It always bother me I know gin was friends with Rangiku. Just feels to me that Tosen would have had more of a drive for honor! Plus the fact that gin always looked so sus!

3:40, to be fair to squad 11, you should consider Zaraki and Ikaku, not Yachiru ;) Yachiru being lieutenant is more just because "Zaraki said that", not because of her power level. But apart from that :)