So, How POWERFUL Did Ichigo Become in TYBW? Is He the STRONGEST Character in Bleach? | Discussion 

So, how strong do you think Ichigo became? Is he the strongest character in Bleach by the end of TYBW? Let me know your thoughts on everything we see of him in the 2nd half of the final arc!

I like how Kubo causally doesn’t explain that Ichigo can swap between his dual Zangetsu and og Zangetsu in the hell arc. It’s such a crazy thing to imagine, literally having three swords at your ready.

I think it would be REALLY cool if they let the moment where Tensa Zangetsu breaks play out something like this: It's the last few minutes of the episode and ichigo activates bankai, we get an extended scene where he uses it and defeats Ywach in a massive spectacle and the episode ends. When the next episode starts, it does a recap of those events but in the recap, Ywach uses the almighty to change history and the abrupt breaking of the bankai happens as it does in the source material. Maybe that would be too confusing for casual viewers but I think it would be a great way to actually show what ichigo can do with his bankai while also really fucking with people in terms of what Ywach can do with The Almighty.

The fact that Ichigo is just 17 and had just unlocked his true power, and yet Yhwach considered him the single greatest threat to himself, speaks volumes about how powerful Ichigo truly is. There is also the neat thematic part of it all, that Ichigo as a hybrid being is the most direct rejection there is of Yhwach's goal of creating a world without progress.

Its also extremely impressive Ichigo killed Yhwach twice in one swing using his bankai while being drained of most of his power and without horn of salvation

>Granted power by Reio himself >Labeled as No.1 Special War Power >Most powerful Reio candidate >His existence can affect the world of living, so Gotei can't allow him back to home Funny when some ppl still think Ichigo is weaker than Aizen

I think the best option and the best way to handle ichigos bankai is for the anime to show exactly what happens after bankai is released. The whole fight would be shown and the outcome would be clarified but then the anime would bring back time and show that yuha breaks ichigos bankai. Kinda like a time shift showing its real power and then using the almighty to destroy that future.

It’s important to remember that Ywach with the Soul King didn’t see a possible future where he beat Ichigo in bankai

Sure, he's pretty strong, but I think momo would still survive a point blank true bankai getsuga

It would be interesting if, in the hell arc, Ichigo recieves the Gojo treatment. By that I mean all the main villains (presumably the Devil himself?) would have to rely on trickery, deceit, and traps to take Ichigo out of the picture. Maybe using Kazui against him or something. Because by the point in time in which we see Ichigo during the Hell Arc, there really shouldn't be anyone capable of stepping to him.

Ichigo showed that he was capable to destroy most Sternritters, it's just that through plot shenanigans he was limited to the fights that he got

I love that Ichigo is an amalgamation of all the different types of entities in Bleach and his ability to wield Shinigami, Quincy, Hollow, and Fullbring powers is amazing. I hope he gets a form in the Hell Arc where he combines the look of all his different powers. A fusion of his shinigami and fullbring shihakusho with both of his hollow horns and black stripes down his face and Quincy wings would be fire. I assume that Ichigo and company will be facing off against demons or hell spawn of some kind that will require them to go beyond Bankai.

Theres a chance Ichigo vs Askin is expanded in the anime, him vs Yhwach was expanded, vs the Bambies was also expanded, so it seems fights that involves Ichigo are going to be expanded

I know this is his strongest variation but Ichigo during the Aizen fight felt otherworldly like an inexplicable enigma.

Powerful enough to save all and confront god tier opponents, but it all came with a massive near price. His training and subsequent power ups was essentially the goose being stuffed for the oven, the next Spirit King. Great thing that he avoided that fate thanks to certain events playing out. Ichibei's joke to Shunsui in CFYOW about Ichigo never being able to talk or anything was chilling.

If we don’t get to see ichigos real bankais power only to be a dream of Juha before his snaps it ima cry

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It would be cool to see Ichigo use some Quincy techniques in the potential Hell Arc like maybe arrow version of the Getsugha or Volshindig like wings

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Excellently done and presented. I love you added input and completely agree.

The cooler thing about the getsuga and then the jujishou are in essence a quincy bow and arrow. The slice as the bow and the"getsuga" from his long sword ad the arrow

Always love seeing you post new content man!!!

I agree mostly. I wish there was one more of the Quincy Royal Guard for Ichigo to have truly tangled with (unlike his brief skirmish with Askin) BEFORE he finally confronts Yuha.

Amazing video Tommo! I have a suggestion for another - What would happen if we put the two fastest attackers in Bleach against one another! The ‘Speed of Sound’ Gin VS The ‘Speed of Light’ Lille Barro! To avoid the issue of Lille’s intangibility, perhaps allow Kamishini no Yari to be able to poison at a Reiatsu level as opposed to a physical level?

Ichigo always had a rival character to fight before fighting the final boss of an arc which was always aizen. The Soul society arc had renji and byakuya, arrancar arc had grimjow and ulquiorra. The Fullbringer arc had tsukishima and ginjo, although ginjo also was the final boss. I think Uryuu was meant to be Ichigo's rival in this arc but they barely had time to fight with each other. I hope the anime corrects this because this would make Uryuu's betrayal a bit more realistic.

I wish they bring back the spiritual pressure effect atlesst once for ichigo as he enters the palace to confront the soul king fused ywach

I just wish Ichigo actually participated in the TYBW tbh. In every other arc he got like 4-6 major fights. But then in TYBW he fights in the first invasion, then goes to the palace, stays for a while, comes back down and has a quick skirmish, then goes right back up for the end….that was not satisfying at all lol

In the initial fight with yhwach in the soul king room his friends are there, he is probably holding back to not end up accidentally hurting them

The reason Ichigo likely didn’t go for the kill probably because he seen what happened to the soul king and the events that led to it. Perhaps empathy for what they endured.

I totally forgot that he fused his blood with the Getsuga, I'm guessing Kubo did that to draw more similarities with Isshin and his blood ability he used.

I would love to see more of the bankai in the anime. My theory/expectation is that they will add a fight scene with the bankai but this will actually happen in one of the futures that Yuha Bach can see and where he's losing. That would be why he break it in another future and then we come back to the reality with the scene from the manga where the bankai is broken instantly That would make some great fan service but could give a nice explanation too. What do you think about that?

Actually thinking about it Rukia likely didn’t see Oetsu. She likely finished her healing while Renji and Ichigo were in the pit.

I stand by what I said that kubo having ywach break ichigo's bankia was shitty writing at its finest, but it's not like the bankaimwas gonna be anything unique , ichigo is this hybrid that's never existed before, and yet ironically his powers are pretty generic , just a bunch of fancy lazer attacks . The true bankai was probably just gonna be a white colored Kamehameha or something.

imagine discovering you're the strongest being in the universe before graduating high school

If Ichigo went full power right when get got to the battle, bankai , horn of salvation and went for the kill he would of ended the war in 5 minutes.

I wish you did hell arc speculation! please include that for next time!

Most powerful has never meant undefeatable. There are always ways to defeat those who claim to be the best, even when they have the skills/raw power to back up the claim.

Funny how Ichigo was slowed down by the barrier around Seireitei even less than GREMMY'S GIANT METEOR

Hopefully Kubo will allow us to see Ichigo’s bankai properly in the anime as another one of his changes. It was a huge middle finger to the fans and really downplayed his power

Ichigo coming back from the Royal Palace feels like Kubo paying homage to Goku returning on the Serpent Road in Dragon Ball Z, just like Ulquiorra and Yammy arriving in Karakura pays homage to Vegeta and Nappa arriving.

Ichigo as you said before with Ikkaku's image using his Reiatsu to "fly down" as he's increasing his Reiatsu in order to move at this speed

Every Zangetsu form pales in comparison to Final Tensa Zangetsu, design-wise and intrigue-wise. I hope we revisit that in the hellarc someday and see some cool lore about that.

Would be cool to see Mugetsu Ichigo vs TYBW bankai Itchigo :)

Hoping we get a sequence of the future Ywach saw

Ichigo is The Goat=GreatestOfAllTime

I hope they explain Ichigo's new Bankai. Im still not sure whats special about it or what its special ability.

My man didn’t even get to do work with the bankai I prayyyyy we get to see it animated. And some work put in

Did anyone else notice the reference where he took on the bambis like he did the luetenits when he first got bankai

Maybe Kubo will add more fight scenes for True Bankai ichigo vs Yhwach Bach in the future perception that almighty sees. Maybe more scene for how ichigo uses different abilities of different races of the bleach universe in in alternative future events.

Those robes he wears when appearing into the battle are so sick. I really wish he wore them longer.

H some correction, Getsuga tensho is not an shinigame technic, why? Because even without shinigame powers Ichigo can use it, he literallybused it as an Fullbringer.

More than a Hell Arc, I want a "Hey Ishida teach me Quincy Techniques" arc.

@14:25 this whole scene of Ichigo flexing on these 4 with his new power has always felt so much like when Naruto first joined the 4th Great War. They even both use miniature versions of one of their signature moves for the first time to show the new level of power and control they have.

just seen a twitter thread about rukia and hell being connected and its very interesting

It's kinda weird when Tommo does these as a non power scaler...still enjoyed tho

I don't know if you did a video on it, but is Ichigo beyond using kido? I'm curious how strong he could be with it.

Fingers 🤞 we get a new fight for ichigo in the anime

It's sad to know that blut vene was hyped up in cour 1 to the point that senbonzakura couldn't even scratch As Nodt. Whereas in cour 2, there's almost no trace of use of blut vene. It never got utilized again.

One thing I like about horn of salvation is that it looks exactly like fused tensa zangetsu

The last few chapters take place 10 years after the Quincy were defeated. They say it takes 10 years to master a Bankai, so that time skip gave Kenpachi the time he needed to master his Bankai. I would love to see a rematch

Did you get a chance to watch the recap episode? It doesn't add anything new, but they did use the Nightmare OST for Rukia's bankai which probably means that it was always meant to be the intended track for that scene instead of the ending credits theme.

To be fair about Ichigo's Shunpo, hes in that unique circumstance that he has access to all 3 versions of flash step. Shunpo, Sonido and Hirenkyaku. Hes probably combined at least shunpo and sonido into his own unique style of Flash Step.

I really, really hope they do more with his Bankai, i would love to see the real abilities, not the breaking immediately ability

I love the shirt

What if his speed was just him using Shunpo Sonido and whatever the quinces have at the same time

I hope we get to see the future Ywach so that scared him enough that he broke it before Ichigo even got to use it and maybe we will get a bit more on Ichigo's bankai's abilities because even a brute like Zaraki has the ability to cut anything so what would be Ichigo's ability

I’m so glad his power is being shown a lot better in the anime

The big thing about end of series Ichigo is he had just unlocked his true power and his stunted growth for the entire series beforehand is acting almost like a slingshot in the development of his actual abilities. Ichigo goes from one move, Getsugatenshou, with two variations, a melee attack and a ranged sword beam to effortlessly changing the form and scope of the attack, mixing it with various other abilities and channeling different frequencies of spiritual power through it, all over the course of a few days after getting a real shinigami's zanpakuto. His form transformations are linear in most of bleach: sealed -> shikai -> bankai -> hollow mask -> post dangai training -> final getsugatenou with his forms changing slightly after his fullbring has merged with his shinigami powers. After attaining his true power, it seems that he can change his form as he sees fit, even in shikai and use those forms to augment and alter his normal abilities, however Ichigo's always had issues controlling his spiritual energy and that kind of fine control to incite form changes has got to be somewhere on the level of kido mastery. My theory on what Ichigo's bankai does is pretty straightforward: because what his true zanpakuto is is a representation of the balance between all of the races in Bleach within him, his Bankai enables the complete release of all of those racial abilities. While a character like Tosen with both Bankai and Resurrección can't use them at the same time, and a qunicy who has stolen a Bankai has their Vollstandig sealed so long as they hold it, Ichigo should be able to utilize the abilities of all of these transformations at once. I argue that "Vasto Lorde Ichigo" is actually a Resurrección because it's Ichigo, a shinigami-hollow hybrid, using a sword release to take on the appearance and powers of a full hollow and Ichigo's original "bankai" is actually a sort of quincy ability because it was given to him by the manifestation of his quincy powers and his zanpakuto spirit notes that he (white zangestu) got that [blade] the same time Ichigo did, meaning that it was not a full sword release that the zanpakuto spirit was withholding until bankai is properly achieved, but some other ability. (Also like... no shinigami has achieved bankai without a zanpakuto forged by Oetsu Nimaya, so...) Also the form Ichigo takes after Dangai training uses shadows like a qunicy of the wandenreich and functions a little too similarly to a quincy's Letzt Stil for my liking. Anyways... Shikai Ichigo could probably defeat any of the captains aside from Yamamoto, Unohana, Kyouraku, Ukitake and end of series Byakuya and Kenpachi pretty easily (if Toshiro has the time to utilize his completed Bankai him too but True Shikai Ichigo would absolutely dogwalk his normal Bankai), and I'd argue that Horn of Salvation Shikai is probably more powerful than any Shinigami in the Seireitei.

I hope the Kubo goes all out crazy with Hell arc.

Ichigo kept grounded as a rug is something I wasn't thinking about lol

I like the point Ichigo made that when the hirn of salvation chp he said he was far from mastering drawing out white sword and his hollow/shinigami/quincy form.... I would love though for Kubo to make his daul sword his shikai

Rukia flying with the captains a couple episodes ago seemed weird lol

Would like to see an updated Yamamoto deep dive. Many are under the assumption that he is still stronger than many of the TYBW upgraded captains, and some think he is as strong as Fullbring Ichigo. It also always gets murky when some captains are warrior-type and others are more of a specialist-type. And some captains, given the circumstance can be those that would be considered stronger than them. Soifon comes to mind with her 2 tap ability or Mayuri/Urahara prep time. lol

Kinda wished ichigo used his fullbringer and quincy powers more . Imagine he's using ceros, bringer light and blue artie

I Like The Idea Of Ichigo Not Fighting Until He Gets To Juha, But If Ichigo Were To Have Another Fight In The Anime I’d Like It To Be Against Askin. It Was Cool When We Saw The Panel Of Ichigo & The Group Knocked Out By Askin, But That Fight Was Off Camera.

What if we get to see the fight Ywach envisions before deciding to snap the bankai? Haha

im curious, as the last two episodes of cour 2 will be 1 hour. Will the final ichigo vs yhwach be 1 hour and have lots of fighting added to show of ichigos strongest form more etc.

I just wish that Kubo would watch your videos honestly...esp if he plans to continue the bleach story...cos the way you explain the story and how certain things are linked and what that should imply, man....one would think you had story strategy meetings with Kubo himself🤣

Ive never been the biggest fan of how bulky Ichigo's true bankai is, and also never really liked how it's no longer a "clad type" While i dont expect anything out of the latter I do think it'd be cool if after mastering his new bankai it slims down heavily, still maintaining the same shape and design, just being thinner and faster looking Although if Kubo did want to eventually bring the clad type aesthetic back (especially considering he doesn't seem to have his ouken outfit anymore, which kind of completes the look), it'd be cool if he gained a cloak of reishi as a bit of quincy representation

I guess the Byakuya video is next.

Stabbing Ywach in the back parallels what Yamamoto's lieutenant did to him.

27:56 Aizen would've been *so* jealous seeing this transcendent Ichigo.

This is one of the major things I will never forgive this arc for. You never get to see him truly go all out. He doesn’t really use much of his Quincy abilities and although I hope we see an extended fight with ywach, it feels like we still won’t know what his Bankai does. I really hope in the hell arc, we see ichigo use everything. At this point, he’s had 12 years to master all his powers and his true bankai. This will be him at his absolute peak. We’re waiting on you kubo when the anime is done 👀👀👀

And to note; All of these characters are at least more than 20x the SoL (Balas are 20x faster than a cero which is confirmed to be a light attack) where base Urahara was able to dodge a Bala and Blitz Yammy without Yammy realizing he had moved.

Best thing about it is that Ichigo's powers and sheer potential is always a curse thsn a blessing. Literally the everything that fucked up his life and made him suffer was directly linked to his power and potential.

I would think a combination for hell art of all the bad guys joining in to 1 being

I wouldn’t mind seeing a video like this for Hitsugaya

Ichigos drip is sick

One gauge of power levels is the ease at which top tier Shinigami deal with Sternritter at Bambis level. Like Ichigo in Shikai just trolls the Bambi and has more than enough fire power to take them out. So far based on anime, Byakuya and Kenpachi could also take them out with ease using Shikai only but likely take some damage in return. All the other captains/ vice captains had to go bankai

I think there are characters who due to skill, underhandedness, or just having a power that changes what game is being played can handle Ichigo. I don't think he'd ever be comfortable with the thought of making an enemy of Urahara or Yamamoto (had he survived), and likely Shunsui and Yoruichi as well. Like you said with Askin, some powers just kind of hard-counter him, or how he goes about things.

Ichigo Shikai abilities have more raw power that most Captain abilities in Bankai xD I wonder what Ichigos abilities they will show in Hell Arc tho Maybe finally we will see full extent of his Bankai :o

nobody talks about if ichigo tipped the balance towards his quincy powers

Ichigos 3 strongest forms still to this day imo are 1.HOS 2.Mugestu 3.Dangai

I wish Ikkaku would have went to the royal palace and got his bankai fixed...

Imo I think that: FGT form ~ true bankai + HOS > true shikai + HOS ~ dangai ichigo > true shikai

Will we finally get the rest of the hell arc?

Imagine being the strongest with only 1 technique🐐

If I'm not mistaken when he used HOS he didn't used his quincy powers (also stated by Ichigo that he could bring only one at time when he fought ywach even tho he SHOULD be able to bring both out at the same time). I'm just too curious to see him in a quincy-hollow state

Renji came back SO F*CKING STRONG!! I loved seeing him take out the Superstar so easily. Seeing the 9th division captain lose while using his (awesome IMO) Bankai really pissed me off tho!

The funny thing about Ichigo's powers is that they are all there since the begin, the weakness lies in Ichigos mind, to this day I still think the reason Ichigo have not acepted his hollow self is because a hollow killed Masaki, but after everything but rain Ichigo learned his hollow self is in truth a part of masaki soul he inherited thus giving him the confidence to use this powers without reservation ti the point of him using grand rei cero later.