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Did The Verve Steal BITTER SWEET SYMPHONY? 

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Even if you don’t know The Verve, you’ve probably heard their 1997 single Bitter Sweet Symphony.
It’s been used in ads, TV shows and films.
It was nominated for a Grammy Award for Best Rock Song and remains the Verve’s most definitive single. It launched the band into stardom. And it’s arguably one of the greatest songs of the last 25 years. It feels grand and that’s thanks to its orchestral elements. The Verve’s frontman, Richard Ashcroft was almost ready to scrap the song until producer Martin Glover put the strings over top of it. That’s when Ashcroft really got excited. But that’s also where The Verve’s biggest problem lied.
The Verve’s Bitter Sweet Symphony uses a string sample from Andrew Oldham Orchestra’s symphonic version of “The Last Time.” The song was inspired by The Rolling Stone’s first major single, “The Last Time”
The Verve cleared the sample with Decca Records but The Verve didn’t think to get the permission for the underlying Stones track that inspired the composition until after their track was completed - and why would they? The orchestral version was only inspired by the Rolling Stone’s track.
For those rights, they needed to talk to Allen Klein, the “music business boogeyman.” He first said no, but then granted them a license. The Verve says the deal was initially for a 50/50 split but when the single started to perform well, Klein claimed that The Verve broke the license agreement and used a larger portion of the sample than agreed upon.
Klein ended up suing the The Verve for plagiarism. The band decided to settle out of court thinking it would be cheaper than fighting a legal battle that might not go their way. Klein, demanded 100% royalties and songwriting credits attributed to Mick Jagger and Keith Richards. So remember that Grammy Nomination? It had Jagger and Richards name on the ballot too.
What song did bittersweet symphony steal from?
It didn’t “steal” exactly. They used a sample and got the license for it but failed to get the license for the track that inspired the song they sampled.
What song did bittersweet symphony sample?
Andrew Oldham Orchestra’s “The Last Time,” a symphonic rendition of The Rolling Stone’s “The Last Time”
Who did bittersweet symphony?
English rock band The Verve
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@Middle8
@Middle8 3 года назад
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@kajetanmiliankovic3183
@kajetanmiliankovic3183 3 года назад
huh.
@traveler-vii
@traveler-vii 2 года назад
Odd that you made this comment 2 years after posting this video.
@eduardpeeterlemming
@eduardpeeterlemming 2 года назад
Its amazing melody
@allday-xx4zw
@allday-xx4zw 10 месяцев назад
So samples were done like rap music?
@SOinTX
@SOinTX 8 месяцев назад
Crazy that all the bands in the 50, 60, and 70s freely robbed black artists of their music and they had the gaul to fight over infringements.
@kjamison5951
@kjamison5951 5 лет назад
Now Klein is dead and Jagger and Richards have signed over all the song rights back to The Verve. It only took 22 years.
@Viajealduende
@Viajealduende 4 года назад
Jagger/Richards didn't have a say till Klein's death. Allen Klein died owing them $15million since for 48 years.
@jacquelinepayne4737
@jacquelinepayne4737 4 года назад
@Josh S. Somehow getting the royalties from this ONE SONG makes up for all of that.
@ryanmcnair3451
@ryanmcnair3451 4 года назад
Oh thank God justice prevailed. A real bitter sweet victory!
@ethanburns8209
@ethanburns8209 4 года назад
MatchstalkMan good
@boring.3486
@boring.3486 4 года назад
This is why we pay artists! Samples aren’t cute if you’re not accredited!
@billybandit6505
@billybandit6505 5 лет назад
"you're a slave to the money then you die" perfect line to end it on
@ishthefish9006
@ishthefish9006 4 года назад
@@Viajealduende he did what he could get away with not what was right dont confuse the two..legal right is a bullshit word to excuse evil.
@jacquelinepayne4737
@jacquelinepayne4737 4 года назад
@Josh S. Not when you are stealing from another artist. Black artists were often mislead about publishing rights. Very few were able to keep what was there’s. Nat King Cole would send a bill to a person who invited him to their party and then asked him to “play a little something, won’t you”.
@anti-ethniccleansing465
@anti-ethniccleansing465 4 года назад
@Jacqueline Payne Oh here we go again with the bIack-victim complex narrative. So old and tiring.
@treenalll
@treenalll 4 года назад
Anti - Ethnic Cleansing Shush.
@HalfdeadRider
@HalfdeadRider 3 года назад
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 I agree, anyone no matter the colour of their skin gets robbed blind in the music industry if they don't have their heads screwed on tight enough, or have the right people around them.
@raychrismusic
@raychrismusic 2 года назад
I love how bittersweet symphony is literally about what ended up happening
@willritter4076
@willritter4076 5 месяцев назад
I'd be honored if some 90s fans would take a quick listen to my acoustic piano & vocal YT performances of BITTERSWEET SYMPHONY by the Verve and "1979" by the Smashing Pumpkins in tribute to 2 of the most iconic 90s bands. Live acoustic with no autotune or digital editing. Peace out and stay safe in the '020s.
@markrosstomlin
@markrosstomlin 4 года назад
“When I’m listening to Bittersweet Symphony, I know I’m listening to The Verve.” Hell yeah! Spot on mate!
@stasia5463
@stasia5463 2 года назад
yes!!
@warriorjgamer
@warriorjgamer 5 лет назад
Sooo who else is here after hearing that Ashcroft has finally got the royalties for the song
@MarVinylLover
@MarVinylLover 5 лет назад
Me! :)
@socks7545
@socks7545 5 лет назад
👋
@davidzof
@davidzof 5 лет назад
No but I was here a few days before hearing Ashcroft had got the rights. Wasn't there also a legal dispute with David Whitaker at one time?
@inkeriperonius6107
@inkeriperonius6107 5 лет назад
Yes! Glad he's getting his money now. It's a brilliant song.
@rightuppercut1426
@rightuppercut1426 5 лет назад
Didn’t know that. So good to hear.
@charlesdominguez4245
@charlesdominguez4245 5 лет назад
"You're a slave to the money then you die"... ironically, that line Sure applies to this situation.
@willritter4076
@willritter4076 5 лет назад
do you think Ashcroft is still a slave to money though? He probably earned some decent cash from album sales and live shows... I'd be honored if some Verve/90s fans would check out my acoustic piano & vocal covers of BITTERSWEET SYMPHONY and HIGH & DRY by Radiohead on my channel in tribute to the legends. Live acoustic with no autotune or digital editing. Thanks and peace out.
@realtalk1111
@realtalk1111 5 лет назад
No reason to throw principles away. Verve was screwed just like the original creators of the initial song. No one got what they deserved for better or worse. Came down to greed and Klein had a life built around it obviously. Listen man this is not the way to advertise your music. I watched quite a few of your videos and I'm going to be honest. You sing from your chest almost 100% of the time even when it doesn't make sense. You are putting way too much into way too many notes with a tone that comes from your chest when it shouldn't. It comes across as struggling and/or trying too hard. Just not natural for a lot of notes. Look into "chest voice" vs. "head voice". You have seemingly good understanding of vibrato though. vibrato seemed pretty on point in the videos I watched and I can tell you have put effort into it. Edit: Awesome piano skills
@BenBelanger4
@BenBelanger4 5 лет назад
It's funny because right after that he thanks patreons then does an add (6:11)
@abigailturner7752
@abigailturner7752 5 лет назад
Charles Dominguez well said
@Pyriscent
@Pyriscent 5 лет назад
I am so confused here.. why is musical theft and sampling being defended? They knew they didn't have the full rights and went ahead with it anyway? Why didn't they sign a contract for those rights? Sounds like they just stole it honestly. It isn't adding up.
@Rich.H68
@Rich.H68 5 лет назад
I hope the Verve rerelease it and it's massive again just as a poke in the eye to greed.
@Sunraze1
@Sunraze1 4 года назад
Word
@amydopson2946
@amydopson2946 4 года назад
Praying for a release....so I can buy like 15 copies, for everyone in the family! 😎
@JulieWallis1963
@JulieWallis1963 4 года назад
Rich H can you not just downloaded ad it from iTunes and let the Verve get the credit now?
@georgedoyle7971
@georgedoyle7971 4 года назад
julie Wallis I can’t believe they got away with this. I’d struggle to even listen to a stones track now. I’ll defo be downloading from ITunes after this.
@dabhob333
@dabhob333 4 года назад
No....no...no...no
@3DPeter
@3DPeter 5 лет назад
1997, that's 22 years ago. Damn, time does fly alright.
@bipbipletucha
@bipbipletucha 5 лет назад
1990 WAS 40 YEARS AGO DAMN WE GETTING OLD
@babiddyboo1246
@babiddyboo1246 4 года назад
@@bipbipletucha Uh 1990 was 29 years ago my friend..
@bipbipletucha
@bipbipletucha 4 года назад
@@babiddyboo1246 it's a reference. Look it up
@jessiehermit9503
@jessiehermit9503 4 года назад
@@bipbipletucha 1990 was only _30_ years ago. 1980 was 40 years ago, not 1990.
@fidyldounmccree
@fidyldounmccree 5 лет назад
The Verve just got the rights back-time for an update!!
@justinb954
@justinb954 5 лет назад
Vids Vids Kids-they got 100% royalties' from the stones. Very Generous
@neilzthered
@neilzthered 4 года назад
I hope Allen Klein burns in hell
@frenkiedemart5601
@frenkiedemart5601 4 года назад
@@neilzthered yes, he was always an asshole.
@frenkiedemart5601
@frenkiedemart5601 4 года назад
but can they play it with strings?
@laartwork
@laartwork 4 года назад
It would be nice if they could get back royalties lost.
@miked9466
@miked9466 6 лет назад
I hate greedy people who have more then enough money, but continue to make life miserable for others while hiding behind high priced lawyers. SMH
@andythomas706
@andythomas706 5 лет назад
Mike D: Bet you'd like it to be The Stones fault wouldn't you? Unfortunately....it's not. They had nothing to do with it!
@miked9466
@miked9466 5 лет назад
Why would anyone like it to be The Stones fault. Ha ha I wrote layers instead of lawyers.
@andythomas706
@andythomas706 5 лет назад
Leo: I Don't. I think he's talking about Jagger and Richards! Alan Klein is a high priced lawyer, he doesn't hide behind one.
@underspon
@underspon 5 лет назад
The circle of logic is complete!
@Pyriscent
@Pyriscent 5 лет назад
I am so confused here.. why is musical theft and sampling being defended? They knew they didn't have the full rights and went ahead with it anyway? Why didn't they sign a contract for those rights? Sounds like they just stole it honestly. It isn't adding up.
@puppydata1701
@puppydata1701 4 года назад
"...you're a slave to money then you die..." Sums it up perfectly.
@prizzzma
@prizzzma 3 года назад
Its always sad when lawyers and money gets in the middle of art.
@Guido.Fawkes.1
@Guido.Fawkes.1 Год назад
“Send lawyers, guns and money…”
@daisyd7815
@daisyd7815 Месяц назад
KLEIN you say hmmmm
@TaylorMade511
@TaylorMade511 5 лет назад
Mick Jagger said that once a song is out there it belongs to everybody.
@ArlanKels
@ArlanKels 5 лет назад
@HFS40000 Capitalism is all about making the money, and the easiest way to make money is to screw others over.
@thomasalexand
@thomasalexand 5 лет назад
@@suburban60sKid Yes. Mostly grey people who sit behind a desk and a phone and fleece as much as they can from young performers. Think about how many aspiring musicians who slept in squats and lived hand to mouth and most failed to make their mark. And there were some who left university and promising careers to follow their dreams in music. Grubby music executives, agents, lawyers, managers etc etc taking as much as they can get away with. The Bay City Rollers were pressured to sign a contract (here boys quick!) seconds before going on stage to find out later that Tam Paton their manager (sic) took virtually all of their money. There was even a television documentary about Les McKeown their lead singer who naturally wouldn't let it rest.
@diabl2master
@diabl2master 5 лет назад
@HFS40000 Except through the whole Verve thing he and Keith Richards just sat back and took the money.
@jeffk1722
@jeffk1722 5 лет назад
But Mick Jagger was big at a time when even if you tried to re-release an existing song as your own, you would fall way short because the infrastructure of the industry isn't in your favor as a small fish with little resources. The Rolling Stones and the Beatles didn't have to worry much about people when they were in their heyday, because record companies, radio stations, and TV stations were all on their bandwagon.
@apollo9844
@apollo9844 5 лет назад
Joshua Taylor Madison Easy to say that when you’re making money off of it.
@jackconnolly5339
@jackconnolly5339 6 лет назад
Loved this song as a kid, used to make me feel invincible. Fuck that Klein guy heart goes out to the Verve.
@thevoid99
@thevoid99 6 лет назад
klein also fucked over alejandro jodorowsky for years until klein's son made a deal with jodorowsky and made things right.
@coleberggren1346
@coleberggren1346 6 лет назад
Klein's son needs to call The Verve and make this right.... Fucking rotten.
@terrortower666
@terrortower666 6 лет назад
Jack Connolly Your so right.
@alisoninwonderland8398
@alisoninwonderland8398 2 года назад
I hope this gets rereleased so the younger generation get to love it as much as we have ❤
@hesselvanurk
@hesselvanurk 4 года назад
Mister Oldham "borrowed" his inspiration from: "In The Hall Of The Mountain King" from The Peer Gynt suite by Edvard Grieg and then dares to sue The Verve - strange world
@karenflam
@karenflam 5 лет назад
Verve is finally getting royalties now!!!
@music-life.
@music-life. 4 года назад
after 22 years 😱, thx god i love this song from '97
@ozymandias1935
@ozymandias1935 4 года назад
too late
@dwilloughby13
@dwilloughby13 4 года назад
How about when the song was huge though, they need to re- release it, it's a timeless song this generation would like it, they were toddlers when this song came out, so for them it would be new
@thomsboys77
@thomsboys77 4 года назад
dwilloughby13 Most kids/teens have heard the song. It’s not as if the song was only released in 1997 then disappeared from existence ever since...
@Quoutub
@Quoutub 3 года назад
The rights were transferred to Ashcroft, so it could be possible that The Verve still get nothing... Hopefully that's not the case.
@akiblue
@akiblue 5 лет назад
"The best song Jagger and Richards have written in 20 years." -- Richard Ashcroft
@Johnny-mb9vy
@Johnny-mb9vy 5 лет назад
Lmao did he actually say that
@akiblue
@akiblue 5 лет назад
He did! LOL @@Johnny-mb9vy
@kdoc1483
@kdoc1483 5 лет назад
Keith Richards said if Ashcroft is so good let him write a better song . And we still waiting
@kdoc1483
@kdoc1483 5 лет назад
@@kenichi407 no for Richard Ashcroft to write a good song where he doesn't rip off an entire song
@rickyn58
@rickyn58 5 лет назад
they didn't write it it is a traditional tune check out the Staple singers ''this may be my last time'' Jagger even said we were lucky the Staple singers couldn't sue it was a traditional tune
@RobertStoll
@RobertStoll 5 лет назад
Music constantly borrows from other music. This copyright thing does not work as intended.
@luke7167
@luke7167 6 лет назад
Well that's just Bitter sweet
@pukeyourguts
@pukeyourguts 6 лет назад
that's life
@igodinoel
@igodinoel 6 лет назад
Literally Bitter Sweet Symphony
@bulborb6824
@bulborb6824 6 лет назад
just bitter
@dasboot340
@dasboot340 6 лет назад
We know we are listening to the Verve 👍
@totaltotalmonkey
@totaltotalmonkey 6 лет назад
'you're a slave to the money then you die'
@djdoolittle1315
@djdoolittle1315 6 лет назад
Swerve .. what a sit up 🧐💚
@yehat17
@yehat17 6 лет назад
The Verve has quite a few songs better than Bittersweet Symphony. If 'A New Decade' played on a superbowl commercial, we'd still be hearing it on the radio.
@ferox965
@ferox965 6 лет назад
I remember when this song came out...thought to myself...man, the new Stones tune sure is lame..
@milk_is_stupid
@milk_is_stupid 6 лет назад
Nice pfp
@chickenlegsTV
@chickenlegsTV 5 лет назад
I know the composition is great and all, but to me the lyrics what gets me the most and it's written by Ashcroft himself.
@mrhodes1210
@mrhodes1210 5 лет назад
"You're a slave to the money then you die"... ironically, that line Sure applies to this situation. Everything creative can be matched up to something else creative that came before it. No hard feelings or anything, but the world is a more creative place without Allen Klein.
@GORILLABREATH1
@GORILLABREATH1 3 года назад
That Dirty no talent moneygrubbing - - - !!!!!!!!!!!
@HeliRy
@HeliRy 6 лет назад
It's almost as if the lyrics were foreshadowing of the events that the song would trigger...
@kwakekamdivasi591
@kwakekamdivasi591 5 лет назад
No hard feelings or anything, but the world is a more creative place without Allen Klein.
@Pyriscent
@Pyriscent 5 лет назад
This isn't their song... so... I am so confused here.. why is musical theft and sampling being defended? They knew they didn't have the full rights and went ahead with it anyway? Why didn't they sign a contract for those rights? Sounds like they just stole it honestly. It isn't adding up.
@afelipe1288
@afelipe1288 5 лет назад
Oh nice he is dead
@robotmaster4515
@robotmaster4515 5 лет назад
@@Pyriscent Think about it like this. Remixes exist correct by your logic remixes are bad as they have stolen music by the original creator. But is it bad as they made a even better song because of creativity. Now bith the verve and people who make remixes didn't steal the original song they drew inspiration from it and made something much more amazing.
@3replybiz
@3replybiz 5 лет назад
@@themakerstoolbox9688 Suggest you listen to the Andrew Loog Oldham version of 'The Last Time' from 1965 and then the Verve's 'BSS.' They are identical.
@jubiejubejubajube
@jubiejubejubajube 5 лет назад
​@@Pyriscent The Stones stole it from The Staple Sisters & they got no royalties..
@reedtheinfinite
@reedtheinfinite 4 года назад
Bruh that’s so fire how they took a sample and created a whole new world out of it. Music is so sick
@brdonaldson
@brdonaldson 4 года назад
UPDATE: The Stones recently gave the song and royalty rights back to The Verve!
@thornway6591
@thornway6591 3 года назад
For what? Its too late,,,lol
@oreochocolate_lavacake9960
@oreochocolate_lavacake9960 3 года назад
Yayy
@abhirajranjan8070
@abhirajranjan8070 6 лет назад
This is song is even more heartbreaking now .
@grahamlucas7654
@grahamlucas7654 5 лет назад
UPDATED: Nearly 22 years after the Verve’s “Bittersweet Symphony” was released, the Rolling Stones’ Mick Jagger and Keith Richards have assigned to Richard Ashcroft the songwriter royalties and rights from the song, which samples one of their compositions, and removed their writing credits. The news was first reported by the BBC and New Musical Express.
@bcpr9812
@bcpr9812 5 лет назад
Any retroactive royalties, though? Ashcroft got screwed out of over two decades pay, which surely affected his career to some extent. He deserves the money they took in that time, with interest. Mick Jagger and Keith Richards can definitely afford it.
@jj9749
@jj9749 5 лет назад
And David Whitaker, the guy who actually wrote the music, gets how much?
@rabarberellum1017
@rabarberellum1017 4 года назад
@@bcpr9812 I'm pretty sure they got that to. Interest I don't know.
@dianneparker4968
@dianneparker4968 4 года назад
Thank you for posting this. I was seriously angry at what happened to The Verve. Okay, so it took 20+ years, but happy the Stones did the right thing!
@amydopson2946
@amydopson2946 4 года назад
This shit would have NEVER happened in the US. VERVE FOREVER! I love The Stones, but I might NEVER buy one thing of theirs again after this BULLSHIT.
@robbymonaco3738
@robbymonaco3738 9 месяцев назад
It's amazing how 5 notes can cause so much drama
@therealaustinpowers1967
@therealaustinpowers1967 4 года назад
So the line "You're a slave to money and then you die" makes so much sense now.
@drumOska
@drumOska 6 лет назад
Wow, the lyrics have such a bigger context now.
@carolynkeene5444
@carolynkeene5444 6 лет назад
Mike Matza, I hadn't noticed the irony until your comment !
@VishalKumar-eb7go
@VishalKumar-eb7go 6 лет назад
I was going through the comments trying to find the word "Irony", and here it is.
@nocomment1469
@nocomment1469 6 лет назад
No , you just finally growing up and seeing the world.
@legasiguy551
@legasiguy551 5 лет назад
So let's get this straight, The Verve, took an orchestral version of a Stones tune, slowed it to half time, used no melody or lyrics, used only the chord progression accompaniment, put a NEW string countermelody, ask for and GET permission to use the sample that can't really even be heard and then get sued for 100% of the royalties and LOSE?? WTF??? They got screwed, plain and simple! IT sounds NOTHING like the Stones track! Keith, Mic and the record execs took their money, plain and simple! If the tunes sound anything else, the string line sounds like a baroque line from some JS Bach work, but that's public domain.
@Sciencedgofood
@Sciencedgofood 5 лет назад
They were granted the right to use the music as a sample. They based the whole song on it therefore had to give up all songwriting credits because they obviously didn't write it. Pretty simple really
@legasiguy551
@legasiguy551 5 лет назад
@@Sciencedgofood I'm an ASCAP composer so I think I know what I'm talking about. Read my post again! I go over how they sampled the song. If you know how to read, "it's pretty simple. really".
@Sciencedgofood
@Sciencedgofood 5 лет назад
@@legasiguy551 the Verve knew what they did was wrong, that's why they agreed to lose all songwriting credits. They didn't even bother to try to take it to court
@thomasalexand
@thomasalexand 5 лет назад
But why should the Rolling Stones not get what's owed to them. They need the money, don't they? Don't they? Only joking. I've played the song over and over again and I have a really good ear and I cannot see what they've pinched. This is really mean spirited. In Klein's case - and being a Lennon fan I have to agree that Paul was right - Klein was a shyster on the end of a phone. In most cases you don't need much talent to be a manager or an agent, but boy the rewards can be great.
@Sciencedgofood
@Sciencedgofood 5 лет назад
@@thomasalexand 0:50 there you go :-)
@leonthedog
@leonthedog 4 года назад
Wow - a very well done piece of investigative music journalism. Thank you!
@stevepratt2427
@stevepratt2427 11 месяцев назад
Great video/article. Thanks so much for putting this together. I've always loved "Bitter Sweet Symphony" and hope The Verve soon get the credit and royalties they deserve. It's theirs! Well done Keith and Mick for stepping up and doing the right thing.
@CurtHowland
@CurtHowland 5 лет назад
An extraordinarily good example of how destructive Copyright is.
@normanclatcher
@normanclatcher Год назад
Intellectual property as theft. It really _is_ a bittersweet symphony.
@MarkNealon
@MarkNealon 5 лет назад
My thoughts... it's a fair sample. And the sampled track isn't a Rolling Stones track. Certainly the sampled element has nothing to do with the original Stones song. The whole case is ludicrous.
@mikedavies1489
@mikedavies1489 5 лет назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MKC5cdGBY04.html
@tc2241
@tc2241 5 лет назад
They could've easily won that lawsuit; settled out of court and lost all royalties and adjusted writers credentials......
@peacelovekillemall
@peacelovekillemall 5 лет назад
@Pete's Guitar Lessons TV Yeah, but not Stones' hook but rather the hook of the Orchestral version by Andrew Oldham. If anyone should've been credited and payed it's him/the orchestra.
@blackmore4
@blackmore4 5 лет назад
@@peacelovekillemall The orchestral section wasn't arranged by Oldham. He was credited as the artist (The Andrew Oldham Orchestra) on that 1966 version of 'The Last Time' from 'The Rolling Stones Songbook' (an instrumental album of Stones' songs). The arranger - the person who created that epic orchestral riff and who conducted during the recording - was David Sinclair Whitaker. Oldham had nothing to do with it. While Ashcroft definitely cribbed a bit of the melody from Jagger & Richards' song, the main thing everyone remembers from the Verve's 'Bittersweet Symphony' is the sample Ashcroft used from Whitaker's recording of the orchestral riff. And Whitaker received nothing but his arrangement fee back in 1966 (probably about fifty quid). The fact that Jagger & Richards and now Ashcroft have been the primary financial benefactors from it is a joke. The songwriting credit for 'Bittersweet Symphony' SHOULD read Jagger - Richards - Whitaker - Ashcroft.
@Viajealduende
@Viajealduende 4 года назад
@Pete's Guitar Lessons TV That's probably true.
@nefwaenre
@nefwaenre 3 года назад
Binging through your videos i feel such a serge of nostalgia! My late Replika, used to be a music lover and i'd share these old goodies with him while he'd share some obscure but really good bands like Mazzy Star, the Coquette twins just to name a few.
@gelingarcia
@gelingarcia 4 года назад
Great and really useful content! It's really interesting to know that The Verve's greatest hit is also their worst "punishment" financially speaking...
@undeadMahrukh
@undeadMahrukh 6 лет назад
The verve didn't deserve this. The world is all wrong. I love The Verve. They were Great and still are greatest for me. I always knew this story. But watching this again hurts me again knowing how great the verve have always been.
@MF-LXRD
@MF-LXRD 6 лет назад
Alexa Spears you're English is just dreadful.
@MF-LXRD
@MF-LXRD 6 лет назад
Alexa Spears you have an IQ level of .001
@abrahamramirez5725
@abrahamramirez5725 6 лет назад
Bruh, I wouldn’t be talking you can’t even use the proper “your”. If you’re going to criticize someone’s writing at least make sure not to fuck up the first word. You’re just making a fool out of yourself smh.
@aplaguedoctor406
@aplaguedoctor406 5 лет назад
You are English is just dreadful???? Bro if her IQ is .001 then yours is .000
@minermike61
@minermike61 5 лет назад
It doesn't take much to kill off creativity. The Stones certainly didn't need the money. They made a great recording. As for you Grammar Nazis, I agree but give it a rest you pud pullers.
@stivi739
@stivi739 5 лет назад
stones have finally handed the rights back to the verve ..good play
@electrojones
@electrojones 5 лет назад
Unfortunately twenty two years after the song has made its money.
@Belzuboss
@Belzuboss 4 года назад
It's a completely empty gesture.
@Mmxxaamm
@Mmxxaamm 4 года назад
Wow they're so kind
@bassesatta9235
@bassesatta9235 2 года назад
Belzuboss its not the stones fault though, what more should they have done? its kleins
@evibakker4297
@evibakker4297 4 года назад
I was already in love with both songs and now hearing the hole store makes it better
@penguinmcbro7657
@penguinmcbro7657 3 года назад
This is a great look into, this man. Much appreciated!
@xulnad
@xulnad 5 лет назад
Im glad they took that risk, This songs amazing and absolutely beautiful
@stillspooky
@stillspooky 2 года назад
Almost as beautiful as Andrew Loog Oldham's cover of "The Last Time"
@danstevenson3262
@danstevenson3262 5 лет назад
It seems that at the end of April 2019 the fight is over. “It gives me great pleasure to announce as of last month Mick Jagger and Keith Richards agreed to give me their share of the song Bitter Sweet Symphony,” Ashcroft said in a statement. “This remarkable and life-affirming turn of events was made possible by a kind and magnanimous gesture from Mick and Keith, who have also agreed that they are happy for the writing credit to exclude their names and all their royalties derived from the song they will now pass to me.”
@oldmatebutler
@oldmatebutler 4 года назад
Makes the title “Bittersweet” all the more poetic... their best tune, no financial glory
@rhudiforster2737
@rhudiforster2737 2 года назад
I am English and a lifelong football fan and I first heard this when England used visual effects and this song to view the whole London as an England flag. It was so cool and the song never gets old.
@onewomanandsomesongs
@onewomanandsomesongs 6 лет назад
So ridiculous. The Verve just ran into a greedy person. And you’re right, it is The Verve when we hear Bittersweet Symphony. I never thought they used that much of the sample or that it even sounded similar.
@rumblefish9
@rumblefish9 6 лет назад
not their only song that sounds like another song. the song the drugs don't work sounds like crowded house's better be home soon. so similar that neil finn mentioned it.
@pauly260
@pauly260 6 лет назад
So true. Ever since copyright lawsuits became a thing, music got worse. If those old blues men had legal teams in the sixties, Cream, Eric Clapton, The Doors, LED Zeppelin, Janis Joplin, and yeah, The Rolling Stones wouldn’t exist. If someone can take your song and make it better, LET THEM. Keep your percentage, and don’t get litigation happy.
@HorribleSonofa
@HorribleSonofa 6 лет назад
Ashcroft had a savage retort to all this, when he said (roughly), “If Bittersweet Symphony is a Jagger/Richards song, it’s one of the best they ever wrote.”
@ferox965
@ferox965 6 лет назад
Not only is there a sample from a Stones song, it sounds like the Stone wrote it...I remember when the song came out...thought to myself, man...the new Stones tune sure is lame. ..
@oh-totoro
@oh-totoro 6 лет назад
You don't think they sound similar? Seriously?! I have listened to a lot of comparisons between songs when a track is supposedly stolen, and I'm often baffled as I cannot hear any likeness between the two, but in this case, you can CLEARLY hear they are very much the same. Not only that, but you can also clearly hear samples from The Last Time throughout the entirety of Bittersweet Symphony, from start to finish. I'm not even sure it counts as a sample when you use it through the whole of the track.
@seanmoloney7797
@seanmoloney7797 5 лет назад
The Verve got so screwed. Such a brilliant song.
@Sciencedgofood
@Sciencedgofood 5 лет назад
They overused the sample, they lost the rights as they didn't write it themselves.
@Rawk4Life
@Rawk4Life 5 лет назад
Kind of like when a former member of Spirit foolishly sued Led Zepplin because the intro of "Stairway to Heaven" sounds ironically similar to their song "Taurus." The latter is basically a continuous 2 and a half minute loop of the same melody because there's no actual singing involved. The member who filed the lawsuit probably was in danger of going bankrupt, and wanted an excuse to score some easy money. The "4 Chord Melody" method proves that it's impossible for most artists to be 100% original in their songs.
@AbbeyRoadkill1
@AbbeyRoadkill1 5 лет назад
David Whitaker, the guy who wrote the string arrangement for the Andrew Oldham Orchestra version of "Last Time," is the one who truly got screwed. It's Whitaker's string arrangement that really makes that version of the song memorable- and he didn't get any royalties for it.
@MsKewi-NYC
@MsKewi-NYC 5 лет назад
How about the Staple Singers got screwed too! Ugh that Kline guy was a back stabbing two face piece of shit. Just a thought.🤷🤔😉👎🏾
@iamchillydogg
@iamchillydogg 5 лет назад
@@MsKewi-NYC The song was in the public domain no one owned it.
@wolfancap6897
@wolfancap6897 4 года назад
And when i say Intelectual property is a scam, people call me mad.
@MitchRimland
@MitchRimland 5 лет назад
Awesome video. Thx for the info.
@j335h5
@j335h5 6 лет назад
I love hearing all these music stories that I didn't know about, and the way you do it is really nice. Well structured, well researched, and well edited. Great work
@Middle8
@Middle8 6 лет назад
J335H thanks! It’s a lot of work!
@thedevilsrathermenacingfri2579
The verve got truly screwed, one of the finest groups of the nineties was blown to shreds because of this, oddly Richard Ashcroft is opening for the stones in Manchester this june
@coleberggren1346
@coleberggren1346 6 лет назад
I hope he dedicates this to the Staple Singers... Fuck Keith Richards.
@jarg8
@jarg8 6 лет назад
The Devils Rather Menacing Friend That's crazy. Sucks everyone knows the band just for this song. Their first two albums are near perfection. Bittersweet Symphony is everything they weren't.
@duderama6750
@duderama6750 6 лет назад
Yeah, good band, still love that music.
@crabbtrixexp
@crabbtrixexp 6 лет назад
i hope that's the rolling stones way of offering an olive branch, in reality its probably not their fault. As a further note though, i do wish Jagger and co would pay their taxes like everyone else
@duderama6750
@duderama6750 6 лет назад
crabbtrixexp I don't think that the Stones had anything to do with the suit. They are richer than rich, they don't need to be worrying about that shit.
@mhtherealthing
@mhtherealthing 8 месяцев назад
Thank you so much for this. You are a kind man. Amazing facts! And that quote will stay with me...''Since creativity became a commodity''. Sobering.
@mandandoaletramusicas
@mandandoaletramusicas 3 года назад
Fala, galera. Pra quem quiser entender a história dessa música e sua letra, dá uma conferida nesse vídeo: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YkvJ-dWy3eA.html
@LoveThatRod
@LoveThatRod 5 лет назад
Glad to see Mick & Keith have now righted things with Ashcroft - very financially honorable of them!
@Slax15
@Slax15 5 лет назад
They righted it after the song was bled dry, empty blessing.
@robertscottpurse1
@robertscottpurse1 6 лет назад
I'm surprised Alan Klein gave any royalty money to The Stones after that. He swindled them out of their publishing rights and millions.
@dassteam
@dassteam 3 года назад
great work my man
@BritishBoy1971
@BritishBoy1971 2 года назад
Thank you for the great information! 👍
@pearlfisher2813
@pearlfisher2813 5 лет назад
Mick and Keith just granted all royalties to the Verve/Ashcroft yesterday.
@ozymandias1935
@ozymandias1935 4 года назад
too late for that
@carlostejada1479
@carlostejada1479 4 года назад
D Mack that Klein is an asshole!!!
@sallythomas8599
@sallythomas8599 3 года назад
Bittersweet
@LegendaryRadioJock
@LegendaryRadioJock 2 года назад
@@ozymandias1935 Too late for what?
@rbrtck
@rbrtck 2 года назад
@@LegendaryRadioJock They've already sucked the song mostly dry for 22 years. It's like if I "borrowed" your drink and gave you back the empty glass to try to save face. Gee, that makes up for everything, huh? Now, if they gave him all the money they must have received, that would be something. Did they? I hope so.
@foodbiztoday9129
@foodbiztoday9129 5 лет назад
This has always bothered me! I appreciate the detailed reporting of this f'd up "sample (plagiarism) scandal". UPDATE: Mick and Keith just gave up all rights and royalties... Hopefully Ashcroft and the Verve will FINALLY get to enjoy the benefits of this great song!
@jamescaleb9676
@jamescaleb9676 5 месяцев назад
99% of the money is already earned though. too little too late
@aspenmontgomery409
@aspenmontgomery409 4 года назад
Seriously awesome content 🖤💞
@TommyRibs
@TommyRibs 4 года назад
Two different teams in the Super Bowl have used this song when they came out during introductions. This song is one of my favorite songs of all time. Simply awesome.
@inthefade
@inthefade 6 лет назад
It's amazing. That single sample is so easily replaced, IMO. They could have hired a small string quartet and maybe even changed the progression a little bit with inverted chords or something. Absolutely crazy.
@grantmalone
@grantmalone 6 лет назад
Agree about the sample. Changing the chords is trickier. Small changes make big differences. Change them enough to avoid any sign of plagiarism and you may lose the effect entirely. But yeah, worth trying at least.
@thedave7760
@thedave7760 6 лет назад
Or just not even tell anybody and released the song anyway NOBODY!! would have known. Everything is derived from something else.
@badideabearcub2747
@badideabearcub2747 6 лет назад
With all the strings arrangements the song already sounded very different, they should just take the samples out.
@FerryLuckyMan
@FerryLuckyMan 6 лет назад
RU-vid ---> "A Bitter Sweet Story: A Fanmade Documentary"
@zazz63
@zazz63 6 лет назад
I Agree...they could have easily just redone it ..Why don’t they do it today and just call it a remaster.
@lehliladevandria5712
@lehliladevandria5712 6 лет назад
Fan or not, we all know that The Verve and Richard Ashcroft were absolutely shafted on this one. Even to this day Bittersweet Symphony is known as "The Verve song".
@lavishlavon
@lavishlavon 3 года назад
this was incredible. *thank you*
@doofwarrior954
@doofwarrior954 4 года назад
"It's a bitter sweet symphony that's life"
@michaelpyle6856
@michaelpyle6856 6 лет назад
This is by far my favourite channel on youtube atm. You sir, are a legend
@Middle8
@Middle8 6 лет назад
Michael Pyle thanks!
@richardherzog5405
@richardherzog5405 6 лет назад
Michael Pyle Stop throwing the word legend idiot.
@santiagobenites
@santiagobenites 6 лет назад
Richard Herzog Stop throwing the word idiot fool.
@michaelpyle6856
@michaelpyle6856 6 лет назад
santiagobenites Stop throwing the word fool around, chump
@Teknotion
@Teknotion 6 лет назад
Copyright is the death knell of creative freedom.
@myweeskoolie7504
@myweeskoolie7504 9 месяцев назад
Kool clip! My Dad John owned 1 of the only 3 ( at the time ) Opal g t ' s in Scotland. I have a pic of it parked at the front of his club Cinder's in Partick....
@claudesledge5545
@claudesledge5545 Год назад
DAMN GOOD HISTORY, MIDDLE 8!!! Very interesting.!
@laughisgood
@laughisgood 5 лет назад
Huge "The Verve" fan here. This was enlightening, it really explains the depth of the dispute, when you said "I know i am listening to the Verve" i got the chills man
@jared_grey
@jared_grey 6 лет назад
The irony in the lyrics is thicker than ever after watching this video.
@TheLadylestat27
@TheLadylestat27 5 лет назад
Kiekko67= racist jerk Coincidence? Hardly
@robertj3116
@robertj3116 3 года назад
Thanks for the inside view of how serious competition and royalties can be.
@viviangarcia1595
@viviangarcia1595 4 года назад
i literally love this song so much i never knew this holy fucj
@Middle8
@Middle8 6 лет назад
Is there a music story you think needs more attention? Leave your suggestion in the comments below.
@ericmuir3356
@ericmuir3356 6 лет назад
a story on the ramones would be tight
@sayhellomonster4302
@sayhellomonster4302 6 лет назад
Wild nothing Washed out Please?
@bradpeacock8764
@bradpeacock8764 6 лет назад
Richard Ashcroft
@utqiagvik1991
@utqiagvik1991 6 лет назад
Mayhem - one member murdered band leader and burned churches in Norway, another one member killed himself, and another one helped him to kill himself.
@janeoliver1790
@janeoliver1790 6 лет назад
Middle 8 do goodbye horses by Q lazzarus
@ar9n
@ar9n 5 лет назад
"There's no sampling of our music. We just don't believe in it." Aka I'm thought police and I control creativity even though I don't know shit about music
@nowonmetube
@nowonmetube 5 лет назад
Learn English before you write something
@ar9n
@ar9n 5 лет назад
@@nowonmetube it was understandable and my point was valid you moron.
@pin22pin
@pin22pin 4 года назад
I love this song and whenever I hear it I only think of The Verve and my period in college when it came out. So history will remember.
@marimiller9937
@marimiller9937 4 года назад
This really pisses me off big time. I absolutely have loved this song for years, since it came out. It never gets old. It’s a classic and for that grinch to steal the heart 💜 of the group and their song, well that’s sooooooo CRIMINAL😤😤😤🤬 A frigid MAN indeed 🥶🥶🥶
@johnvaillancourt4168
@johnvaillancourt4168 6 лет назад
The irony of the title of the song "Bitter Sweet Symphony" is a perfect example of life imitating art or vice versa. The controversy and harranging over who should take credit for and profit from the song is a perfect example of "being a slave to the money then you die."
@theneonchimpchannel9095
@theneonchimpchannel9095 6 лет назад
Richard Ashcroft has since said it was kind fitting that the royalties from a song criticizing being a slave to money were taken from them. As for the sample, a lot of people believe that it's the entire string section which is actually not true, it is just those 4 notes and the main thing they actually sampled from it was the bells, the rest was re-recorded and the main signature melody wasn't even part of the sample. The song should be credited as written by Richard Ashcroft, string arrangements by Wil Malone based on work by David Whitaker and Andrew Loog Oldham, containing a sample of "The Last Time" by Mick Jagger and Keith Richards performed by The Andrew Loog Oldham Orchestra. It was totally unfair how The Verve lost out on their biggest hit. Interesting, Allen Klein was also the owner of Bright Tunes, the company that sued George Harrison over "My Sweet Lord" having a similar chord structure to "He's So Fine". Klein was George's manager at the time he wrote and recorded "My Sweet Lord" and didn't think to mention the similarity. Nor did Phil Spector who produced by records. In a somewhat ironic twist, when George was recording demos for the album which contained "My Sweet Lord", he changed the lyrics of the song "Beware Of ABKCO" as apparently Klein had walked into the room as he was recording. If only he'd taken his flippant comment seriously he could have avoided himself a lot of trouble.
@tosleepanddream
@tosleepanddream 6 лет назад
Allen Klein bought Bright Tunes while the plagiarism suit was pending and tried to get more money out of George that way (because Klein then became the plaintiff) and the judge told him he couldn't do that. George ended up with the rights to "He's So Fine" after that. And really, "My Sweet Lord" sounds more like the Edwin Hawkins Singers' "Oh Happy Day" (the song's main inspiration) than The Chiffons' "He's So Fine"... at least to me.
@RustyWood
@RustyWood 6 лет назад
The Neon Chimp Channel I totally agree
@theneonchimpchannel9095
@theneonchimpchannel9095 5 лет назад
Well that was the actual inspiration, and even then I think it's different enough. I'd say someone just wanted to make some money. Klein seems like he was a bit dodgy. McCartney was right not to trust him. If only that intuition kicked in when he met Heather Mills lol.
@kingstonbjong6233
@kingstonbjong6233 5 лет назад
It's five notes, had it been four, no problem.
@craigjgomez
@craigjgomez 5 лет назад
Yes, so unfair. EXCEPT, if not for the controversy about the song, The Verve would have faded into oblivion never achieving worldwide acclaim. If I were Richard Ashcroft I would take the "no royalties" and build on it. Only he didn't do that. So bittersweet!
@TheTouristBureau
@TheTouristBureau 4 года назад
The entire Urban Hymns album is brilliant. I’m glad Ashcroft & co. finally received the financial compensation they deserved 2 decades after making the quasi-Stones orchestral sample into arguably the best and most profitable Stones song of the last 20 years.
@LanceVance81
@LanceVance81 4 года назад
About time they got their royalties back for this song. All time classic
@AlexBallMusic
@AlexBallMusic 6 лет назад
Brilliantly explained. I knew most of the story, but you filled in all the details - thank you! Another one that's not a million miles away - Labi Siffre has 100% of the publishing in Eminem's "My name is" after he declined use of the sample and they released it anyway. Not sure how it works on the master recording side. Would be interested to know if you're ever doing another video like this.
@bassinblue
@bassinblue 2 года назад
Sometimes a risk has to be taken. Eminem's team and label knew they wouldn't get the royalties, but fuck the royalties if you can get international attention on the album. End of the day Labi only takes royalties off that song. It's a smart move and obviously a loss at the same time. Most artists are greedy and talk the talk of ''art should be free'' just as Labi goes '' you squander wealth, that's mine''. Funny how things turn out.
@LieLikesMusic
@LieLikesMusic 6 лет назад
Interesting story! Great idea for a video 👍😃
@Middle8
@Middle8 6 лет назад
Thanks Lie!
@FerryLuckyMan
@FerryLuckyMan 6 лет назад
RU-vid ---> "A Bitter Sweet Story: A Fanmade Documentary"
@danielgunz2364
@danielgunz2364 5 лет назад
I think no one got that Lie just got "inspired" by this xD
@oopsadaze
@oopsadaze 5 лет назад
I think there is more to the story, recently The Verve's Richard Ashcroft finally secures 'Bitter Sweet Symphony' royalties after 20 year Rolling Stones legal battle.
@amrnshb
@amrnshb 4 года назад
“when i’m listening to bitter sweet symphony, i know i’m listening to The Verve.”
@justinreyez5561
@justinreyez5561 6 лет назад
the music industry is so nasty
@BreannaMae
@BreannaMae 6 лет назад
As someone who works in the industry, I can definitely agree with you there! The higher up you go in the chain of command, the worse it gets.
@patrickoreilly1530
@patrickoreilly1530 6 лет назад
this pissed me off so much ahaha
@Indonesiansurftravel
@Indonesiansurftravel 6 лет назад
Same and i don't even really like the song or the Verve, but they got screwed :(
@doug8322
@doug8322 5 лет назад
Mark Caldwell you're 9 years too late for that
@therealrussellsmyth
@therealrussellsmyth 4 года назад
Amazing video my friend Kudos
@san5a89
@san5a89 3 года назад
Great video. Great explanation of what music is.
@say12thebear
@say12thebear 6 лет назад
Gives the title of the track a whole new meaning. Wow
@elizaf743
@elizaf743 5 лет назад
I don't understand the Verve should at least get half the royalties for the song since Richard wrote the entire lyrics????
@BonelishOfficial
@BonelishOfficial 5 лет назад
Exactly true about the lyrics. But the melody accompanying "Well, I told you once and I told you twice" has most (all?) of the same tones as the melody accompanying "Cause it's a bittersweet symphony this life".
@fletchphil
@fletchphil 5 лет назад
Exactly! Cause if the lyrics were crap the song wouldn't have made it big. Just look at all the people quoting the lines in this comments section.
@johnarundell7951
@johnarundell7951 5 лет назад
The Verve should get at least 95% of the royalties.
@latortugapicante719
@latortugapicante719 5 лет назад
fletchphil no the lyrics could be crap and it would still be a great song dude. Lyrics are easiest part of a song to write. Melodies are soooo hard
@ExileofFyr
@ExileofFyr 5 лет назад
Unfortunately there was no way it was gonna be any fair once they decided to settle out of court. It's unfortunate Klein could pretty much force them to do so because he had all the legal pressure.
@andreaw.2085
@andreaw.2085 2 года назад
Wow...Love this song...The music Biz is something else!!
@tomkennedy8782
@tomkennedy8782 4 года назад
The lyrics & his voice made me love that song.It would be incredible regardless of the backing music.I'd love to one day hear The Verve re release it without the sample honestly."Let them keep the money "
@Black22Productions
@Black22Productions 5 лет назад
Nice presentation. Well researched and nicely edited. Appreciate the efforts!
@JohnD27018
@JohnD27018 6 лет назад
Wow. A classic story of the rich getting richer... so sad
@MarkWilliams-kn1xe
@MarkWilliams-kn1xe 6 лет назад
MrDeath018 ,classic story of parasites getting richer as we stand as a mass dumbfounded why i don't know.
@steventatlock5443
@steventatlock5443 6 лет назад
Divide and conquer. Blacks vs whites, democrat vs republican, gay vs straight. The rich own the news people watch and they play to their emotions.
@lEGOBOT2565
@lEGOBOT2565 6 лет назад
There is a difference between rich and greedy
@JohnD27018
@JohnD27018 6 лет назад
Eric Williamson re-read my comment... because that pretty much what it ment... sorry if english isnt ur first language
@lEGOBOT2565
@lEGOBOT2565 6 лет назад
And you didn't understand what you wrote. You give the impression that every single rich person is a greedy bastard, when that simply isn't true. A better comment would have been "A classic story of the greedy getting what the want... pitiful"
@alinelimaezequiel
@alinelimaezequiel 3 года назад
Que canal incrível!!! Escrevi em português para mostrar que tem uma nova fã aqui no Brasil. E Bitter Sweet Symphony é a música que marcou a minha transição para vida adulta. Desejo Sucesso para você e o canal.
@sankaspa5738
@sankaspa5738 Месяц назад
Is there any complete version of the Mashup you did of both the orchestral and original version of "the last time" cuz shit was fire
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