RU-vidrs are enablers. Desensitizing the viewers into thinking these extortionate prices are “normal”. Then you have the sad individuals commenting, who lie about the products they have. Because they’re fanboys of the channel.
I would honestly love to sell my 2006 Dodge cummins in for a new Tundra as i don't haul heavy anymore... But here in Canada interest rates ar 7-8% and the BASE tundra is about 59K plus tax and fees. Like heck i'll be making a $1000/M payment for 6 years. Im better off keeping my Diesel till the dino bones in the ground dry up.
A sr5 double cab TRD Offroad is 72k out the door with no accessories. This is just where the market is now. Even a mid trim Tacoma after tax will be costing around 60k 😂
@@stevenwilkes9373I agree. I couldn't afford anything but the base model 23 tundra.(348hp/406lb torque) 4x4 crew max. I just couldn't afford the sr5 in my budget. I love the truck. Been driving it sine July. I don't off-road and don't tow too heavy. I have a truck for my needs and 4x4 when I need it in the winter.
Never going to happen so we might as well move on. We can stop the push for electric if we start electing the right people on both the local and federal level.
U need to get over this v8 fascination they are not , repeat not coming back it’s like the dodo bird , dinosaurs it’s just not and that goes for the other manufacturers and why ? It’s the government stupid
I like the people saying that they won’t pay the price for a new truck. Do they think the price is going to go down? The price never goes down, it goes up every year. So I guess they are never going to buy a new truck for the rest of their life. If you want something, work hard for it and you will get it
I've owned multiple Tundra's over the years, and I don't care that they got rid of the V8 but I still think it doesn't look good and the price is just absurd. If it was a true Hybrid and got 30 mpg, then I could over look its faults to some degree.
At Toyota I was getting work done to my truck and I asked them why the new Tundra has no recovery hooks. He told me it has to do with safety ratings or something. Who knows. I am sure the engineers have some reason.
@danielrn133 yeah,apparently toyota won't put them on because the truck won't pass the front collision test with them and marketing to consumers who pay attention to " safety ratings"
People who used to be in the market for a half ton are now looking at a midsize. A truck in the 70’s with 8% interest is not priced for the middle class.
Or you could get the sr5 premium for $53,000 at a 4.99% interest rate like I did. 🤷🏼♂️ Not everything has to be top of the line with all of the options.
@@TheRealCatof Not like the Tundra has been trouble free since it's launch either, buying a new truck and having them remove the cab to replace a turbo isn't ideal either.
I can't believe that Rivian is $80000. The ugliest truck I've ever seen. I don't know why they can't at least make these things look good. The Ford is not too bad it actually looks like an F150
I went to my local Scottsdale dealership yesterday to order some parts for my ‘97 Land Cruiser and noted that the lot was packed with Tundras, 4Runners and salesmen just standing around. Inside there was a used 200 Heritage that they wanted $117k for 😂
I love my new 2024 Tundra 1794 non-Hybrid, coming from a V-8 F-150, but agree with Andre about the shorter front window, and plastic bumpers. There is no perfect truck.
No. Please no. Tesla is NOT the king of infotainment. Not everyone wants everything in one central screen. I appreciate all the tech and ease of charging Tesla has done however the interior design and system is not the best.
Yup, I bet the V8 with the 10 speed transmission and same rear end as the new one would get better fuel economy then the new one. Imagine the horsepower if they added the hybrid to it. I do have a 23 hybrid and love it, I wish the fuel economy was better. When towing I find it’s almost the same as the old one, driving around town I get about 30% better fuel economy. At least that’s something.
Why does everyone always feel the need to compare the Tundra to the Raptor? Toyota is clearly not trying to build a Raptor killer. Thankfully. The Raptor really is a silly daily driver. Way to over the top and expensive.
Why does every truck now have to be a "rock crawler". Not everyone likes that stuff. Some people just want to throw stuff in the bed or tow and call it a day.
The off road capability comes in handy when I go camping once or twice a year. The rest of the time I just look cool commuting to work or taking kids to practice. True story.
The base price of the trd pro with nothing added is $74,000!!! After taxes (and whatever else the dealership decides to add on) you’re looking at close to $80k. That is not an $80k truck. Covid price gouging at its worst.
The lack of recovery hooks and the lack of bumper steps are kind of odd. Seems like easy fixes for an update. The front and rear bumpers just look very plastic to me. They nailed everything but the exterior design IMO.
Yeah, its ugly and the Tacoma looks good,. Don't know why they say it looks like a baby Tundra. My GTI has a recovery hook and it passes crash tests with flying colors.
I love the New Tundra... but I agree, I like a bigger green house / bigger taller windows. Would also like more color in that monotone screen. Seems everything is black, blue and white in that display. They do need to figure out hybrid batter location. I would want some underseat storage in the back, especially being a pick-up.
There's a box which is plug and play via USB that allows the monitor to also serve as a monitor for streaming NETFLIX, RU-vid, ect. . It's great for tailgating live sports. ~ Proud owner of '23 Toyota Tundra 1794 🙋🏾
Spoke to the techs at my local Toyota dealership the other day while I was there and all the techs I spoke to said stay far far away from these new tundras... even walked into the branch managers office and he said do not buy one... pretty bad if everyone at the Toyota delaership says they are junk...
So I just bought a 23 Tundra Limited Crewmax, 6.5 bed, really nice truck, moonroof, JBL sound, I still can't believe I put out $ 68K for this rig, my 2015 Silverado LT ( nicely equipped), cost me $ 48K------- And yes, no tow hooks is ridiculous
The worst truck in the segment. Nothing about this truck is good. Engines terrible, seats terrible, bed sucks (tie downs etc.), approach/departure angles etc. bottom tier by leaps and bounds!!!
I just bought one and after test driving the f150 and Silverado.....it was the best imo. Road nicer and the interior is clean and well down. Plus the 14 inch screen is amazing....also the rear window that rolls down is perfect
There isn’t one thing about the new truck I like. I will keep my 5.7. I get 19 miles per gallon on the highway all day. And my bed is not plastic. And my interior is much bigger. And my turning radius is tighter.
Dude it’s more responsive, better mileage I’m getting 26.5, 16.5 towing 5k, it’s smoother and a nicer ride while towing. Your small penis mentality is sad
Traded my 4runner trd offroad premium for a 2024 trd offroad tundra with the factory lift. My only gripe is the size of the tires at 265 70 18... Some of the interior plastic scratches easily, and the headliner if you press on it near the windshield it appears to be not very solid. I still wouldn't buy Ram or Ford or Chevy over Toyota.
1345 Lbs payload? 10,500 lbs tow rating? With 10% tongue weight that leaves approx 295 lbs for passengers and all other cargo. Does not seem very practical to me, am I missing something here?
@joe… ALL mid size and half tons are like that now. You have to go up to heavy duty trucks to get a decent payload. Even there some 2500 have pathetic payloads. 3500 and up are ok.
The "tie downs" look very small as if they expected nobody to actually use them, but had to put them in to avoid being destroyed by reviewers. Still no tow hooks?
Toyota just totally missed the ball with this generation between this and the Sequoia. Absolutely absurd. 74,000. We went out and bought a 2021 1794 CrewMax with 40K miles. It is pristine. Growling V8. Ridiculous reliability that they are known for. Gorgeous and extremely comfortable leather. Some tech updates pending like an Alpine halo 11 and probably a custom dash kit so it all blends nice but consumers need to push back on this direction for the company. 74,000 for this truck is ridiculous. You can tell how underwhelmed you guys were every step of this way while trying to keep it professional not to piss off the Toyota suits. I hope the company can get back to their roots
@@ernestscott1076 ? My goal was not to keep my money from Toyota. It was to get a reliable truck. I think they are great company or at least they were two years ago.
Agreed, Toyota has totally Failed with this abomination. It has a 4’ wider turning radius then the 2nd generation, Turbos will never go the distance of naturally aspirated engine, MPG’s suck and not much better then the 5.7. How long that battery going to last while it takes up valuable space? It’s much closer to $80k with Tax, delivery and it’s not an improvement over the 2nd generation…
@@jdr03272 I understand what you mean,but you have to give it some time to see if it is still reliable like the last gen. When the last gen came out, Internet wasn't as popular as now and I'm sure it was negative comments about the tundra,but it wasn't Internet exposure like now. Remember what they say Rome wasn't built in one day 😂. You take good care of that truck and don't be playing that music loud 😁
Because at Toyota they know that the tow hooks are available aftermarket and in any case people really serious about off-road will rip off the front and rear bumpers for aftermarket steel bumpers and the tow hooks are built into the new bumpers. But yes it should be on any truck from factory.
@steven… Actually there is. Hidden low but the aftermarket guys have one that bolts to the frame. Kind of awkward to get to it but it’s possible. Ridiculous that it doesn’t come from factory with tow hooks. Manufacturers are famous about this kind of B$ and providing B$ explanations for it. Do we remember Toyota telling us for a decade or longer that we don’t need rear locker on their Tundras and Sequoias? Now finally it’s needed. 😃 How about Jeep refusing for decades to put a V8 into the Jeep because it’s supposedly didn’t fit. Surprise, at the exact moment that Ford revealed the very capable Jeep fighter Bronco, suddenly the Stellantis engineers figured out how to put V8 into a Jeep (which was done by aftermarket engine swap companies hundreds of times a year for ten years or longer). 😆 Or Ford telling us that the mustang doesn’t need Independent Rear Suspension because the solid axle is better. And then in 2016 suddenly it wasn’t any more. 😅 It’s pathetic. Now we are supposed to believe that it’s a safety requirement to not have tow hooks why every other manufacturer have it.
Trucks need naturally aspirated V8s, they are more relaxed when being worked and last along time. When this thing makes a million miles like the older Toyota v8s then we will talk 😆
Remember these are half ton trucks, which are basically just daily drivers with some added capability. Not sure what more relaxed means either when it comes to being worked, my F-150 5.0 revs when worked so not sure that is more relaxed necessarily than a turbocharged engine running at half the rpm.
@ALMX5DP small displacement engines with high Temps and lots of boost pressure causes these issues. Your 5.0 is working, but it's designed that way. What I was getting at , is the fact a small engine has to be boosted to do the same job an NA V8 does, doesn't make sense especially when these little engines don't even get any better mpg then the big V8.
@@jstitan2972 smaller displacement turbocharged engines are also designed for their types of use, no different to my engine being “designed” like that (using quotes because let’s be honest it’s just a Mustang engine with small tweaks so it’s not like it was designed as a truck engine from the start).
High boost is not an issue if the engine is designed for it. My F-250 with the 6.7 Powerstroke pushes 25 psi of boost every time I pull away from a stop light. And those engines are generally considered very reliable. I doubt the iForce is doing half that.
Toyotas Quality has plummed on all of there new models and now with only turbo engines being made buyer beware-The car care nut just made a great video on these new toyota turbo engines that anyone purchaseing these vehicles should watch.
RU-vidrs are enablers. Desensitizing the viewers into thinking these extortionate prices are “normal”. Then you have the sad individuals commenting, who lie about the products they have. Because they’re fanboys of the channel.
They could have stuck the old body on the new frame. New transmission and the 4.7 V8 with hybrid assist and some updated interior. After all ford hasn’t drastically changed the basic look of the F150 for a long time. This doesn’t look like a Toyota , it looks like a GMC with a bad front end. Keeping brand recognition is important. Marketing dropped the ball as badly as the designers.
@@TheJoncic 2024 redesigned F150 still offers the 5.0L V8? The rules only apply to Toyota? Toyota according to one of the tundra designers toyed with the idea of going diesel. 5.7 is too much capacity and Toyota could have figured that ages ago and design a lower capacity higher efficiency V8 or even a straight 6.
@@joeblack1052 well to be fair, F-150 sells an order of magnitude more trucks than the Tundra so all the Ecoboosts likely offset the 5.0 in terms of CAFE and such.
@@ALMX5DP the Tacoma probably offsets the tundra No there are definitely different standards for the domestics They are allowed diesels. People say the Toyota diesels can’t pass emission standards but they are sold in Europe and Australia that have stricter standards than most of the US.
@@joeblack1052 other vehicles do help offset, but there is still the issue that Tundra simply doesnt sell near as well so to develop another powertrain is a much bigger relative investment and gamble in terms of profitability. And at least for pickups, I believe the EU classifies them differently being more inline with our HD trucks or commercial applications.
Coming from a previous gen Tundra owner, I don't like several things about these new ones. Like others have stated, not very off-road friendly with suspension that low with poor clearance, no tow hooks, especially for the TRD Pro. I like the factory lift option but it's really expensive. The tailpipe exit is not good and the back bumper looks like it has no bumper.
Toyota guy here and I think Toyota fell way short on this tundra I’m trying to like but honestly just can’t , going to drive my 2021 TRD off road Tacoma 4x4 until it can’t drive anymore these newer truck I’m not a fan of at all , but that’s just me …
Why doesn't Toyota listen to journalists? That grill looks horrendous and the headlights are huge. The V8 engine should be an option. The interior except for the center screen looks dated. Fix the seats if there uncomfortable. What's wrong with Toyota?
You won't miss the V-8 unless you own it for more than a few years and when it's out of warranty. That simply isn't an issue with the V-8's. They don't break, and the wear and tear items are easy enough for a handy owner to replace. The used market for these hybrids will probably be ok for the first seller, but nobody is going to pay the same kind of money for a 6-8 year old hybrid Tundra as people pay for V8's. The battery pack has a lifespan as do the turbos and nobody wants to be saddled with THOSE replacement costs. None of this will matter to most folks with the money to buy a new one today, but it's gonna suck for the used marked down the road.
What V8's are you referring to? Everything on the market currently is electronically laden and pretty damn complex. Having a couple of turbos bolted on isnt really much different.
@@ALMX5DP The 5.7 and 4.6 of the previous gen were about as non-complex as you can get. In this case, I was specifically comparing them to the Hybrid twin turbo motors, whose added complexity is significantly greater than even the gas-only twin turbo motor.
@@jeffr6280 well sure but those are outdated mills. Everyone is developing newer and more complex offerings even if they are NA V8s. Nothing wrong with preferring the 4.6 or 5.7, but if that’s the case it’s still pretty easy to go out and buy a truck with either of those engines to make your own. New vehicles have to keep up, just the reality.
That payload is abysmal. Roman, Andre, Tommy, and Nathan probably use all of it without a single thing in the bed. You can probably put more weight in a Rav4.
You are absolutely right. The higher the trim model (TRD pro, ZR2, Tremor) the lower the payload. Heated seats, cooled seats, other luxury features eat up capability.
@@allentoyokawa9068 I am a Toyota fan boy, I'll admit that. But the payload on this and other "top tier trucks" is far from great. I would say it's good when you consider the overall package and all the luxury features you get. It's not great though.
Let’s be honest people, if you’re buying a fully loaded truck it’s going to have us pay load because we know somebody like that doesn’t actually use a truck to be a truck. They use it as a minivan. They’re a problem
Have you researched the real numbers? Thought not. In fact with the numbers reported that Tundra was still one seventh as likely to have an issue as the F-150. You don't get much about that because it was a product of expectations and not much of an issue outside the sounding boards.
Ford had close to 1 million recall on their 150. So a few thousand Tundras blowing turbo isn’t as bad. We now have cheap builds all across the board, it’s a race at who is the least bad. 😂
I get it not a fan of none of these turbo junks my comment was just the guys at TFL just kind of shrugging off the problem as no big deal was not meant to imply Toyota is the only one with this problem@@dukekelloway5328
They are attempting to price the full sizes out so you could see the Smaller trucks as a better alternative. Right now the largest growing class of truck is midsize Tacoma Colorado and Ranger and compact trucks like the maverick are selling out they don’t last a week at a dealers lot
You guys sound like salesmen for toyota. Is this a paid endorsement? Tell it like it is... Toyota made a mistake and needs to bring back the V8. The quality is not there, the battery will need replacing in 10 years, and the turbos will not last. I throw up each time I see the truck on the road. I miss my 2020 tundra. That was a reasonably priced truck and the quality was great. The v8 was a better truck. Toyota sold out reliability and quality for a smaller carbon footprint. The price is too high. I don't like anything about this truck. Junk!!!!
Should of kept the v8 or have options...people love options man could of have a v6,v6 turbo,v8. It still looks good but should get better gas mileage then what it says.
I’ve found driving Toyotas with that v8 to be sluggish and less responsive than their vehicles with the 6. What we should be wishing Toyota would do is offer their 15z inline 6 diesel in their tundra.
Low visibility, lacking storage, plastic bumpers, no front tow hooks on an “TRD Pro” and a worse turning radius? I’ll keep my 2019 1794 that I LOVE!! Great review and very thorough, as usual!
Overpriced when Ford’s hybrid has the great inverter system on the working trucks and superior off-road options on the tremor/raptor. You can get GM off-road trucks with V8s and Diesels. Ram RHO will outclass the TRD-Pro off-road as well. TRD-Pro is going to the bottom of the barrel in the full size “off-road” truck market.
Toyota Engineers/Top Executives- “We have five recorded Tundras with 5.7L installed and over a million miles recorded on original engine. Let’s steer away from what works and fold to the green agenda” Makes sense.
Not $70K plus impressed, Hybrid like this and the F-150 are low-brid Have no distance on electric and the MPG is that of a 15 year old V8. If you want to feel lag just roll a yield and try to accelerate to 40 plus MPH the switch over to gas could get you killed. The on-off engine burns the oil left in turbos. The word Pro, has different meanings to different manufactures.
My take from viewing one of these yesterday - the panoramic roof is really nice unless you are seated in the rear seat and are over 6'2".... Other than that, a really nice truck.
Not buying a truck for 70 -80 grand where an engine could self destruct in as little as 10,000kms, along with the other slew of issues with this piece of junk.
No tow hooks and the painted sides on the front bumper is not going to hold up to any of the hunting roads I take my trucks on. I guess you'd pretty much be required to get an aftermarket bumper from the start.
10500 towing. Not a chance. If tongue weight is 10-15 percent even towing a trailer at 800-1000 lbs tongue weight leaves no room for passengers and cargo in the bed.
well after a nearly 100k vehicle recall I think, this question has been answered, Just need counseling for all the fan boys and other that didn't listen and have ben proven wrong now.
It always seems like Toyota uses engineers who aren't truck guys. No backseat storage, enough tie-downs, engine choices, or tow hooks. No front and rear lockers. The list goes on and on. Rather get a Chevy!
With the price tag for those things they probably should've done some improvements!! Was going to look into buying a new Tacoma, but after seeing the new pricing for the TRD Off Road.... They can keep it!
Yea fuckem.... they want 60k plus and high interest for anything nowadays. The idiots that keep buying the shit are the reason why prices won't come down.
