I really don’t care if they bought a championship or not. People hate teams that spend while also hating cheap owners like Fisher and Reisendorf. You can’t win
But only because of those cheap owners do the stars consolidate onto the top teams. If those cheap owners were to compete in the market and pay up for players, then the top players wouldn’t all be on the same team.
Every team spends. When the MLB team that plays pro bono has fans that complain, then I’ll listen. Other than that this is just broke ass fans pretending these teams are broke ass like them but the small market owners are just rich guys who keep the money. These are ALL rich teams, grow up!
There have been multiple small market teams that have made a World Series over the past 20 years. The first year where it’s 2 giant markets and now all of a sudden small markets can’t in baseball 😅
What makes a market a "small market"? Cause I'm always being told that Kansas City is a small market even though it can afford to pay the best quarterback for the most money.
@@colmecolwag baseball is the only major sport in America where the small market atleast have a fair chance to win unlike NBA or NFL where teams legit go on dynastic runs.
@@DanielOrteez to be fair the NFL has much more even revenue sharing. The TV deal money gets split mostly 32 ways evenly and that's the biggest revenue source for these teams. While in Baseball, those rights are every team for themselves. The TV rights for the As won't go for as much as the Dodgers and the Dodgers will get a buttload more income from it in a way that the KC Chiefs won't have to worry about
MLB has had 9 different teams win the WS in the past 10 years (2014-2023). In European Soccer, La Liga (Spanish Soccer league), 9 different teams have won a Championship in their entire 90+ year history!!!
Cause only in America do we as a whole hate winning teams. In LaLiga most fans support Barca or Real Madrid and only rivals hate them. In the states , the hate base for big teams be bigger than the actual fanbase lol
There’s never been a dominant team or a high spending team that never got massive amounts of hate. Patriots, Warriors with KD. Modern era Yankees, Chiefs , the fricking Dallas cowboys lmao 😂
You can't compare the regular season results of La Liga to the playoff results of the MLB. You have a playoff system that makes everything more random. If you check the pennants, which is the logical thing to compare, things are a bit different: The Yankees have won 41 American league pennants. Second on the list are the Athletics with 15... In the National League things are a bit better with 4 or 5 dominant teams. Again, it's totally unfair to compare a playoff. league to a non-playoff one.
I think 14 of the last 16 (2009-2024) winners being inside the top 10 for spend is indicative of its impact. You don’t have to have to be number 1 to win, but 90% of the time you do have to spend more than the bottom 66% of teams. I don’t really think it’s a bad thing, if you want it and are willing to spend money for it that’s fine, but for the teams/owners that are unlikely to be in that top 10 of spend it can be rough as a fan. On the other hand it does make the shots they do get more tense and exciting because they are rare.
When teams like the Yankees or the Dodgers don’t make the playoffs or don’t win the World Series they get criticized for spending so much money but can’t do shit and have nothing to show for. But when they win it’s always because of the money.
@@DanielOrteez even college sports, it used to be the school getting paid, now it’s the players too. I hope everyone enjoys watching Alabama for the next 50 years
Yes, they bought a World Series Championship. That's why they didn't have to play a single regular season game and did not have to play a single post season game in 2024. They were both issued 2024 World Series trophies during spring training. How does Jom Boy the expert not know this???
From 1995 to 2022- 93% of the World Series winners had a top 15 payroll and 83% of the World Series participants had a top 15 payroll. That is all you need to know. If I was in charge of MLB I would do 2 things immediately, implement an electronic strike zone and institute a salary cap but also a salary floor to stick it to those cheap owners.
Spending big money is only half the equation if it’s even that. The three biggest spenders (Mets, Yankees, and Dodgers) combined for for a grand total of 1 World Series Championship in the last 15 years.
@@edomarpez1840 the Mets and Gaurdians gave us the BEST games of the year. The dodgers/yankees will give us the most boring ass games of the year i think. Soto will walk 10 times then hit huge homers. We already know. Ohtani big homers and stealing bases every time. We know. No surprises or underdog come backs etc.
@@edomarpez1840 well to be fair Steve has owned the team for 4 years and they have made the playoff twice. granted 22 was barely an appearance and a major let down with the regular season they put together. I think the dodgers and yanks over the last decade or so have proved if you spend smartly you can put consistent pieces together to make the dance more regularly if not every year. But as they both have showed and as the original comment points to it doesn't mean you can buy a WS. Now that there seems to be a competent front office behind Steve's bank account I hope to see them contend on a more regular basis, all I can ask for as a fan
@@MrNZ19 I completely agree in that the important part is, as you said, the spend smartly (invest in the farm system, hire a competent FO, get/develop a good set of coaches/staff, hire the right players, etc). And without a doubt that's all a fan can ask for. I'm only saying that all that investment shouldn't be pictured/referred to as "buying" not even a playoff berth since the team still has to perform. As for your Mets, I'm almost sure their window is finally trully open
@jimmydean4444 The padres had to subtract payroll, they did, they improved their team by getting rid of Juan, impressive feat. Those guys have another year of control as well. Levels to this my guy, levels.
As a Cleveland fan im pissed cause looking at boxscore the dudes that killed us were big money frer agent bats we could never get 😂. But its a team game big money alone wont do it in baseball (LA Angels are proof). You got a full squad. 90s yankees had a solid core they developed that is a huge reason they had dynasty not just big check books.. Was rangers diamondbacks bad ratings cause upstart teams? Or cause they just don't have the fan interest? Rangers bought a ton of guys too, they got stars. Cubs / Guardians was most viewed of the last 15 years. The fans here in Cleveland are hungry. Lord knows cubs fans run deep too though. Congrats on the pennant James, I appreciate what you do for the game of baseball.
You absolutely can buy a championship. That being said you have to be smart enough to overpay the right front office, drafting and development, players and coaches. The hard part isn’t the check its the eval of the behind the scenes talent that gets you where you want to be.
@@FrodohTBaggins That's Just Objectively incorrect. You are just hating. I mean 50 years is insane, but just in the last 10 they've had success with Gary Sanchez, Clarke Schmidt, Gleyber Torres, and Michael King. If you are talking about true once in a generation players like Jeter or Judge I challenge you to find an organization that pumps that out better than the Yankees over the past 50 years.
My team just got a eliminated by the Yankees, but at the same time I’m not gonna sit here and say that I’m not gonna watch greatness on Friday i’m watching every game every inning⚾️⚾️⚾️⚾️
I couldn't tell you the last time I watched MLB playoffs before this year. I watched probably 5 regular season games and have watched a few playoff games this year and plan on watching the fall classic. Star players 100% bring eyes to the game.
I’m a Dodger fan living in San Diego and watched the Dodgers/Yankees series at a local bar. Met a Yankee fan and It was a breath of fresh air to talk/banter only about baseball. Not hear the usual cry baby stuff from padre fans about payroll and how it’s not fair wah-wah-wah. Looking forward to the World Series against another big club!
Good to see the big spenders in the World Series on occasion. It’s not guaranteed by any means which proves it’s hard to buy a Championship. Go 2023 Texas Rangers!
if it's considered good because the wold series ratings, you have to consider all the teams that can't sell tickets because fans don't think they have a chance (which they don't)
I get that you can't buy a world series but it still sucks to see like 2-3 teams being the only teams that can afford someone like Ohtani which can be the difference between making the playoffs and not. I hate the cheap owners too but there is no way you can argue that its not a competitive value when you can just outbid anyone to get the best players on the market every single year.
@@stevenr3729 My argument is IMO what most people mean when they say you can buy wins. It's not about the WS or the Championship but it's about straight winning more games and giving yourself the most shots at the playoffs (and the world series as a result).
Also the first world series to feature a guy who's won Japans: Pacific League MVP: Won three years in a row from 2021-2023 Eiji Sawamura Award: Won three years in a row from 2021-2023 Japan Series champion: Won in 2022 Nippon Professional Baseball League All-Star: Won five times from 2018-2023 Pacific League Golden Glove Award: Won three years in a row from 2021-2023 Best Battery Award: Won three years in a row from 2021-2023 Pacific League ERA champion: Won four times from 2019-2023 Pacific League strikeout champion: Won four times from 2020-2023 Pacific League wins champion: Won three years in a row from 2021-2023 Interleague play MVP: Won in 2021 And also threw two no-hitters: Threw one in 2022 and another in 2023
Love Jimmy’s 3 things! Jimmy, if you had to choose between a Yankees World Series win sweep, where they blow the Dodgers out every game, OR, a 7 game series that is super back and forth and packed full of electric moments, but the Yankees lose the 7th game, what would you pick?
Both things are true. It is absolutely disgusting how much teams pay to buy up their competition but it is also true that this world series of stars is good for the sport...
Were any "impossible" plays made by any player this season? Regardless of whether Gold Glover or not? I would like to see a play rated "impossible" if such a thing actually exists.
That’s baseball for ya. What allows small market teams to stay in the mix is the randomness that’s inherent in the game; absent that, it would be LA and NY in the Fall Classic just about every year.
13:20 thank you for saying that part. No fan wants their season to be called illegitimate because ownership spent a lot of money. But if the top ten payrolls have great odds of making the postseason and everyone else doesn’t, you get why 20 other teams’ fans are crying foul.
not a “fan” of either team but looking forward to watching the world series. I like both teams and the stars on each one itll be fun, everybody mad at everything 😊
I think the pay to win question's main point is being ignored. While yes it is possible for lower payroll teams to occasionally stumble into winning runs and make the world series the main problem is there's no way for small market teams to get some players because a handful of teams can easily out bid them and not really think twice about it because they have 2-3 times the revenue (or more). This is nothing against any big market team. There's no rules being broken. There's nothing wrong with using whatever resources you have available to improve your team in whatever way you can when you aren't cheating or breaking established rules. I think a better way to think about this topic would be to add this question: Could the MLB balance out the talent and create a more competitive league across the board by establishing payroll rules that would keep small numbers of teams from hoarding a large portion of the talent? As someone who's a fan of the sport as a whole seeing more super stars go to different and unique places is very appealing.
It's telling that while 7 MLB teams still have not sold their jerseys and identities out to advertisers, not a single one of them made it to the playoffs this year. The Texas Rangers will be the last team to have won a World Series under their own identity. All that matters is the money - it's always been true, but it keeps getting worse every year.
Love this! Although I think if you included assists for CF Doyle would've won. There's one play where he makes a diving catch, pops up, and guns a dude down at 3rd.
Short answer: yes Long answer: also yes Teams that are "bought" probably bring in more new people to watch a world series, whereas teams that are "built" cause more true baseball fans to watch. So it's probably a catch 22.
This WC is different. Ohtani really draw in new fans...people that never watch baseball like me all of sudden tuning in to watch him...what was the 50/50 club all about ....and as I read comments....people were saying they never watch baseball either and they came from Europe. So, I believe this WC is going to draw in lot more fans than you normally seen in a WC game.
The one hang up I have on small markets is the fact that they inherently have fewer fans than larger markets. Democracy says who cares if small markets don’t win
Exactly. A city like Cincinnati or Milwaukee will just never ever ever have as many fans as a NY, LA, or other massive metropolitan area, no matter if they're a good team or not. It's just a fact. And since the big markets DO have that many more fans, that translates into more revenue for the teams to then have a larger payroll. I don't have a fix for this. I guess that's the point of revenue sharing. It just is what it is.
The vast majority of teams in this league can afford to spend as much as the Yankees and Dodgers. The VAST majority. Look up the net worth of each team owner. Majority of them are worth at least a billion or more. People aren’t mad that the Yankees and Dodgers are spending to get to the dance, they are upset that THEIR owners are cheap.
@@GeorgeRobles-t2f It's easy to assume that you earn a huge return on your investment, but some markets earn more than others. That's a reality baseball fans need to accept. There are the haves and have nots like in the real world. The Have Nots have to be smarter and have a smaller margin for error
@@zorroknowsbetter your stupid, not one single owner is going to spend more than they make, that includes your idol steinburner, net worth doesn’t mean Jack shit
Dodgers vs Yankees is literally the pinnacle of baseball. Let’s be real the World Series would not have been exciting if it was Cleveland vs the Mets unless you’re a fan of either team
The Yankees and Dodgers paid a lot of money for star power and name recognition. Most of those players are still very much in their prime and have all for the most part shown up this post season. What we have learned the last few years is that the hottest teams going into the playoffs tend to have the most success in the playoffs. Even when the Guardians were clicking on all cylinders earlier this season, they dropped 4 out of 6 games vs the Yankees, the did not match up well against the great competitors this year except for like the Phillies and Orioles. I have lived in north east Ohio my entire life. The Indians/Guardians are my team, we saw flashes of how great they could be even in game 4 of the ALCS, but our pitching staff was gassed. I hope Vogt learned his lesson and I hope the Guardians make moves to stay competitive next year. Those Yankee bats were just too much this season. Go Dodgers I guess.
The part of the equation that’s missing here is consistent access to the playoffs. By Jimmy’s metrics until a couple days ago Cleveland was the more successful franchise for the last 14 years because they made one World Series and the Yankees made zero. But in reality that doesn’t take into account the fact that in 10 of those 13 years the Yankees made the playoffs and Cleveland only made it in 6. What if they’d been able to keep Lindor, Brantley, Cliff Lee and the Yankees couldn’t acquire Cole, Stanton, Soto, etc? Who would have had more bites at the apple then? But worse still… the Jacoby deal. That would have sunk Cleveland as a franchise. New York got to move on. And this is one of the most successful small market teams too. Yes Cleveland was on that list in 90s and the Padres have been on that list in recent years… the difference is that they couldn’t sustain the spending for more than a couple years. The Yankees don’t have to make that choice. They would never have to let a player like Lindor go.
Have two big market teams in the World Series actually turns me off to watching the games. I prefer seeing a team that has never made it like Seattle or a team that has not won it in a long time like Cleveland. I did like it when teams like the Pirates and Reds had a team of great players that were the same players to make it in the 70's. As a Padres fan I used to look forward to teams like the Big Red Machine would come to town and Pitsburgh and Cincinnati are technically a small market teams and I would hate it if they would not ever have a chance to get back to the World Series because of payroll.
So basically, this video is saying its getting back to the way it was in the late 90s and it doesn't matter like it actually did in the 90s when they changed it. That's exactly what it looks like
Dodger fan here. Unless there are salary caps on some teams and not on others, I don’t wanna hear it. Not only did MLB let the Astros cheat without consequence, they CELEBRATED their “triumphant” return a couple years ago. The MLB is lucky us fans are suckers and still support this shit. Go Dodgers OR Yankees.
The other 5 games youre expecting the pen to shoulder 7 innings each game or something? Gonna need a lot more than just one good start from flaherty. Yanks feast on over exposed bullpens and righty pitching. Id be less confident.
@@JackGeezy yoshi and walker cant go deep into games, and bullpen games in the world series after a 5 and 6 game set is never a good recipe, especially against the yankees. Yankees offense isnt exactly a great matchup for Dodger pitching. Yankees have an abundance of good pitching and with freeman and rojas injured, may not be so easy.
It's fine to be excited that your team is in the WS. Presenting an argument on buying your way into the world series not really being a thing, when evidence within the video itself points to it happening (17 of last 32 WS in top 5 payroll, 5 of the last 7 WS featuring at least 2 top 10 payroll teams, etc) is pretty bad faith. If anything, it shows recent years trending toward paying to get there as we get deeper into this statistical analysis era of baseball favoring teams with deeper pockets. I'm happy for you and your Yankees, and I'll be rooting for them against the Dodgers, but I don't think we should be pretending that money doesn't buy world series. Also, presenting Dodgers as 5th in payroll is also pretty bad faith when you know they have over $900m deferred over at least 4 players. It's technically true on paper, but no one is really fooled here.
Yankees and dodgers don't pay from other team pockets so if you think they buy their championship recent finals telling otherwise and if you think they throw money it's not your money
It’s weird that nobody makes this complaint about professional soccer around the world where the wage gaps are exponentially more extreme. Life has giants and minnows.
@@Bryan-yx2rti mean the royals went from a team with a 100+ losses last year to actually making the postseason this year after spending 110 in the offseason…i know it’s not the ws but that’s a huge difference
Anyone that thinks that all you need is money doesn’t know s about baseball. It takes so many things. The dodgers are here because they do everything exceptional.
I wonder if the fact that there is more people streaming and postseason channels are different than regular season (requiring their own subscription) impacts viewership. I would have watched D-Back v Rangers if I didn’t have to pay extra.
@@mnplumberman there are examples of teams with smaller budgets that have made the dance just as there are examples of teams who have spent far more and not even made the playoffs. the critique is more about the disparity of team salaries in baseball and that maybe there should be a cap on both ends of the spectrum. it would be better for baseball imho.
I don’t really think it matters whether or not the players are “bought” or not. Ownership spending on their product is a hell of a lot better for the game than turbo tanking for years like Houston/Baltimore did.
I think its crazy that voters arent supposed to take postseason plays into account when discussing gold gloves and silver sluggers. Sure some voters might just look at the numbers but there no way there some who watch the replays and keep track of who shows up the most all season (including postseason). And those plays matter most too so why not give them a boost
