"Die Wannsee Conference" (1984) - Important German WW2 Conspiracy Film 

Yes, that was my first impression, too. Heydrich and Eichman were notable.

Watch Conspiracy from 2001 Kenneth Branagh And Does A 210% Phenomenal Portrayal Of SS Ober-Gruppenführer Head Of Reichssicherheitshauptamt (RSHA) In English Reich Security Main Office, The Sicherheitsdienst( SD) Kriminalpolizei ( Kripo) Sicherheitspolizei (Sipo) and Reichsprotector Of Bohemia And Moravia Reinhard Heydrich And Stanly Tucci Does A Phenomenal Portrayal Head Office Of Jewish Affairs Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann.

I believe Reinhard Heydrich would have been a bit more menacing in real life, but he was good.

@@panathatube From what I've read in biographies, he was very charming at the personal level. It's one of the reasons why people confided in him.

Mattausch was also good in a TV Show called “Der Finder” with Klaus Wennemann (from Das Boot).

It probably was more like this because of them speaking German and of course the sick jokes as you mention…I highly doubt it the Germans acted like they did in conspiracy when this actually took place….still boggles the mind that a 90 min meeting would end 12 million peoples life’s.

Powerful propaganda and lies.

@@WillCutting-ms2wywhat? Are you one of those brainwashed fascists who think the Holocaust isn’t true?

Conspiracy is far more fleshed out, the fact that the stenographer has more lines than most of attendees is kind of telling, there's a lot more caricaturizing in this.

@@WillCutting-ms2wy it's always nice to see Nazi sympathizers in RU-vid comment sections- it makes you instantly feel a lot better about yourself.

Yes, typical german buerocratism...destroing the world in an relaxed atmosphere...

Oh an american…

@@shakey3306. Well the term ‘banality of evil’ ascribed to the compartmentalisation, normalised insensitivity, and cold bureaucratic maneuverings behind the planning/execution of The Final Solution was coined almost 6 decades ago by the political philosopher Hannah Arendt, a German.

Well, it is a propaganda movie after all. As is Schindlers List. As is Inglorious Basterds.

@@DirrdyMoe Propaganda? On behalf of whom?

Right, superb portrayals by all actors,very convincing.

Reinhart Heydrich responded to unrest over conditions in Czechoslovakia by improving conditions. That's why the Jews had to assassinate him. Did you know there were protests by Czechs against his assassination? No of course you didn't.

Dietrich Mattausch is a veteran tv & theater actor in Germany. He´s most famous from the 80´s/ 90´s cult cop show "Der Fahnder", where he plays the uptight but lovable chief inspector Rick of the police precinct. Seeing him here as Heydrich, casually planning the "final solution" and flirting with the secretary is really strange if you know him only from that series.

@@floycewhite6991 Heydrich was certainly not assassinated for improving anything.

​@@floycewhite6991 yeah, he allowed the czech workers to have 600g of bread instead of 400g daily..what a saint..May He Rest in hell

@@floycewhite6991 Nonsense. Here a text from Radio Prague: They started with huge gatherings on Prague’s Old Town Square, at which Czechs were expected to demonstrate their loyalty to the Reich. The first of these was on June 2 1942, and one of those who spoke was the collaborationist Prime Minister, Jaroslav Krejčí, whose words held a thinly concealed threat. “Those of you who think it is enough just to express a few words of loyalty to the Reich and then go back to your old indifference are mistaken. The government will set up new bodies to control thoroughly just how well orders are respected. Anyone who fails to the interests of our nation and our obligations to the Reich, will be punished as he deserves.” To reinforce the message, the Gestapo began arresting and executing Czechs in huge numbers, reading out the long lists every day in their radio broadcasts. The massacre in Lidice came a few days later, and over the coming weeks the number of people executed ran into thousands. For the rest of the war the Protectorate was effectively under direct Gestapo control.

Auf jeden Fall

@crazy71achmed Die neueste Verfilmung aus 2021 finde ich wesentlich besser. Die Charaktere werden dort nicht überzeichnet, wie in der Verfilmung aus 1984. Insbesondere die Rollen/Interpretationen von Lüttge, Dietl und Busse wirken grotesk. Zumal diese Verfilmung auch Fehler aufweist, wie Minute 7:35 ff. So war Staatssekretär Dr. Wilhelm Stuckart kein SS-Führer ehrenhalber, sondern zu jenem Zeitpunkt selber SS-Gruppenführer (Gen.-Leutnant), ab 1944 sogar dann noch SS-Obergruppenführer, wie zuvor R. Heydrich.

die deutlich beste - aber nur schwer zu bekommende - ist die von HBO gemachte: "Conspiracy" mit Kenneth Branagh als Heydrich. Diese hier ist aber auch gut - es sind Schauspieler anwesend, die diesen Namen verdienen.

@@wilfriedhaas4127 da bin ich anderer Meinung. In "Conspiracy" ist einfach zu viel Gentleman-Attitüden und englisches Understatement in den Figuren. Das wirkt nicht mehr wirklich authentisch. Die Darstellung von Freisler geht doch gar nicht.

I like this version better. It was on pbs in 1990.

@@susanboswell4117 agree. thank you. The other version reminded me of a visual attempt at creating poetry on the subject but for me, it had too many curlicues which led one's attention away from the subject, thank you!

"Die meisten Menschen brauchen visuelle Reize sonst schlafen sie ein bei Dir ." Ein Buch zu lesen muss für Sie wohl ein Ding der Unmöglichkeit sein. Da gibt es keinen Ton, und Bilder gibt es üblicherweise auch nicht

@@elkeospert9188 i don't speak German. but i would certainly appreciate knowing what you've written. do you speak English? thank you.

@@mari-greciaodal2436 I love both films. Conspiracy (2001) was more about Heydrich than the holocaust. It wasn't telling the same story. This film seems more about the evils of the Nazis and the horrors of the holocaust. It's more explicit. Conspiracy seemed more about the evils of Heydrich, the sycophants who lusted after the absolute power he wielded, and the fear he evoked in the most powerful Nazi leaders, all with an easy smile that was less sincere than a market trader trying to offload phony watches.

Are the are and ghost, demon, aliens? Or jumpscare? 🤔

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@basilmagnanimous7011 People sitting around a table and discussing how best to murder 11 million people like it's a logistical problem that needs to be solved is pretty scary.

@@arielquelmeSomething much scarier… bureaucrats with cool suits.

Hannah Arendt, Jewish philosopher who coined the phrase banalaotof evil

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That’s incredible.

That must have been chilling. Imagine such a thing as the holocaust being discussed over a conference table, with a secretary taking meeting minutes. The ‘banality of evil’ indeed.

@ge ce If I read this correctly, my father was stationed at Tempelhof.

The villa was used by Red Army and US forces only before 1946. In 1946 the Magistrate of Berlin gained ownership of it and the villa was never used by US forces after that, let alone being a recreation center between 1969-1973. What you think the Wannsee conference building was,was actually the Villa Oppenheimer, called today Hans Arnhold Center. So I doubt you sat at the same table as Heydrich and the other a*holes sat.

It is. The acting is superb.

It should be. It's hard to imagine Heydrich played by Gilderoy Lockhart.

This movie is shown in German schools, part of the advanced curriculum. They speak literally the protocols.

A lot better too.

Tbf really very dark subject

@@internetkurator9256 no, they don't. In part, they not even near what's in the protocol. The best movie about the conference is the german movie released in 2022, called "Die Wannseekonferenz".

Nah.

By far

Doesn’t come across as a nasty bit of work, although his performance is very good. There is a film of Heydrich exiting a building looking directly at the camera, phew not a man too be messed with.

...because... it's bullshit?

Watch Europa The Last Battle

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​@@gmc2044 here is mistaken hole jr.

if you live in germany for a long time and know about the culture and how planning during business meetings or even casual family meetings work, you know this movie describes pretty close what went down during that "Besprechung"

The translation is of medium quality

@@XXXXXX-ld7rs haha when Tom said it was genuine translation i was thinking only way youd know that mate is if u spoke German.

The translation is extremely simplified.

It’s not authentic, the entire dialogue is made up by the script writer.

The newer version in English, by Kenneth Branagh, with Colin firth and other a listers, excellent!! Called Conspiracy! Highly recommend!

HOW was ur birthdAY?

What makes you believe, that anything in this War-Winner's 'Commedian' could be Truth.. (?) 🤔

Only (j*wish-)Lies.. (in my Opinion and Investigation) .. 🤔

The dialogues are fictitious about the meeting. Statements by National Socialists are sometimes used in these dialogues. Among others by Adolf Eichmann, who spoke of a "Pilatus-like" contentment after the war.

I wish they had a voice dubbed English translation, running over the top of this dialogue, being as I don’t understand German

You can select “cc” in the vid settings, then choose “translate to English”. Although the vid I”m watching has the subtitles built in.@@brandonarmstrong2656

Yes. It's especially good for German speakers. The subtitles were good, but it is much more vivid in German. The only linguistic curiosity here was that all the actors spoke "Hochdeutsch" (Standardised German), whereas we know that many of the attendees spoke with local intonation - for example Adolf Eichmann, who had a pronounced Austrian inflection.

No music, no special effects, just bureaucracy. They could have talked about any other topic. Very accurate, very chilling.

@Eunegin23 exactly.. the consequences of this meeting are not even clear to the people who are executing the orders.

If I was german I would be angry and embarresed.Every generation has to live withthis,and now with the internet the world can see.

@taliabraver most of us have a country where serious doubtful stuff has happened. I live in Denmark, and we practiced race politics way up in the seventies in terms of forced sterilisation and such other measures. In fact, before the holocaust the German government envied the policies we were using, so there still is more to understand and expose in almost all societies.

Yes, it's really good! I have seen it on German television in 1984.The actors and the dialogues are fantastic. It's much better than the British version called "Conspiracy!"

You are so right about their being part of the human race, even though they had no humanity left inside. This should be a lesson to us all. I had a friend who said to look out for sin, because the results would be uncontrollable. It would take you further away from goodness faster and further than you could imagine. It will cost you more than you would ever want to pay.

He is not playing it over the top. I knew a few guys who are realy like that. It's a type that you see in germany.

@@flyingpotatoe1 I am German. My point obviously is not that such a character doesn't exist, but that it could have been better for the film if he'd toned it down a tad. But that's a question of taste, of course.

hewas a good man

I’d even say it’s important to give them humanity because it shows that this can very well happen again and normal people can be formed into callous monsters. I don’t think we Germans are particularly more evil than other nations, the circumstances just made this tragedy happen in our country first.

And same ‘Hollywood’ BS of fabricated fantasy! The actual transcripts of the conference is a completely different reality ….and NO plans of any ‘mass murder’ BS!

The HBO version had Stanley Tucci as Eichmann?

The HBO movie IMO successful in focusing on the tense, arguments, hot-tempered debates between the members of the conference. I wish that movie was played by all the actors in the movie above. In German of course.

@@andresihotang8866 Did Eichmann really tell one of the servers that Schubert was "sentimental Viennese sh*t"?

@@maxhouse2409 yes

"one of humanity's darkest days"..... yes it was, very good way of explaining it and makes one think

@@PolPotsPieHole Makes one wonder just how high horseshit can be piled before people start asking the correct questions.

Keine hunde liebe mehr ...

look at stalin and the bolshiviek jewish leaders yagoda and levy sent 10.s of millions to their deaths@@golohanser6178

Think how many times through history people have had similar plans for wholesale murder. Doesn’t say a lot for us as a species. That was bad enough. And then after there was the killing fields of Pol Potts and the Rwandan genocide. We never learn.

This movie is probably the closest thing to going back in time and seeing the conference unfolding in front of your eyes. This is even more chilling if you know German, the cynical talk about killing another million people like it's just another day in the office, the malicious laughter or people freezing to death in their seats and they're worried about the material damage because the seats are now "tainted by human remains". Absolutely horrifying.

@@tacidian7573 It is human nature. Genocidal, vile chimps.

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That was a very serious course you took! It's good to face up to things, especially if your ancestors were involved. I've had to face up to some hard truth about my grandmother's great-grandfather.

Indeed, a great film ! I had no idea the original minutes of the conference survived the final battle in central Berlin. May I ask, why the credits mention a Historical Advisor, Schlomo Aronsohn ? Surely he wouldn't have been present at that fateful meeting, so what was his contribution in the making of this film ? Just wondering...

@@dietmarwolf79Maybe After the isralis caught Eichmann, that he gathered some infos from ihm. But These are just my thoughts

@@arminiuscherusci4410 quite plausible, Mossad would have squeezed him like a lemon.

@@dietmarwolf79 i would have if i was in their position!

@@dietmarwolf79 You are asking the right questions.....

There is no evidence that Heydrich, Mueller or Eichmann where anti Semitic before they joined the SS, which I find very interesting. Mueller did not join the Nazi party till 1940, which is nuts considering he was the head of the Gestapo. Always found these 3 very interesting.

I first saw the English version of this (called Conspiracy, released in 2001, with Kenneth Branagh as Heydrich and Stanly Tucci as Eichmann) many years ago, and I thought it MUST have been an adaptation from a play! It takes place in 3 rooms, but it doesn't have to. There was a lot of revision for the English screenplay, with more focus on Heydrich asserting absolute power over the bureaucrats and his decisiveness and efficiency in achieving what was already a foregone conclusion, and a little less attention paid to the contrast of the unspeakable horror of it all in contrast to the party atmosphere, but the overall feel is much the same. (Tucci's Eichmann is quite a bit oilier too.) I would love to see this as a live play. I wonder if a script has been done in English?

--- CORRECT, BECAUSE THAT INHUMAN MENTALITY . . .is taught in business school.

@@marianotorrespico2975 Some people are already born with it (psychopaths).

@@marianotorrespico2975Wow! I don’t know which business school you attended but I would avoid it at all cost. Neither business school I attended would, even in the slightest way, resemble this.

The viewer reacts with distaste to the characters which is a tribute to how convincing the actors were.

Wie schauerlich und gewissenslose ihre Einstellung zum Völkermord als angebliche Lösung des N.S. erfundenen Judenproblems! Wie kann man so leichtsinnig darüber lachen? Unbegreiflich!

That's not true, actually. Yes, there's certainly some performance and tonal flaws in Conspiracy owing to it's overt British heritage, but Conspiracy is actually the most accurate reenactment of Wannsee as every line spoken at the table in Conspiracy is taken directly from the recorded minutes of the conference. Everything that was said in Conspiracy is exactly how it was recorded in the official SS minutes. Conspiracy went to extreme lengths to replicate historical accuracy. They used the psychological evaluations of each man who attended the conference compiled from their German medical records; Nuremberg psyche evaluations; and British MI-6 intelligence files. They also prioritized the accuracy of the scenery. Conspiracy meticulously recreated the exact interior decoration of the Wannsee manor estate; they tracked down the respective individual official's personal cars that were driven to the meeting; even the damn weather was verified. Conspiracy consulted with the Berlin Meteorological Ministry to learn what the weather was like on that day. It was an icy, snowy day in Berlin on January 11, 1942. Which makes sense, since every WW2 historian in the world will tell you the winter of 1941-42 was the worst of the 20th century, which helped stopped the German advance to Moscow. I don't know if you noticed in the beginning, but when this version states the January day the Wannsee Conference was held, it shows us a summer day where everything is green and in-bloom! This film couldn't even get the damn season right! I personally didn't like the two actors Conspiracy chose to protest Eichmann and Heydrich. They looked nothing like them, and they never felt authentically German. However, they did get the dialogue, scenery, and personalities of the men involved accurate. *Lastly, this isn't actually a German production. Sure, they hired German actors; spoke the German language; and it aired on a German TV network; but it was compiled, written, and supervised in Israel at the behest of the International Hebrew Society of Foreign Affairs. 1984's Die Wannsee Konferenze is actually an Israeli production, not a German one.*

Exactly what I thought

I would venture that the barbarism of October 7th trumped this...

But he was 79 in 1984 when this aired, and he wouldn't have cared much even if he saw it.

Agree that Conspiracy, starring the likes of Branagh, Stanley Tucci, Colin Firth and David Threlfall was a much better film. But it's interesting to compare and contrast the two very different reconstructions.

I like both. Somehow it's more chilling for me in the original language.

@@MartyMolloy Don't forget the appearance by then unknown Tom Hiddleston as phone operator

Stanley Tucci played Eichmann to perfection. Eichmann was an interesting character, going so far as to learn Hebrew in his twisted attempt to understand "the Jewish mind".

No, it manipulated the real conference transcripts. But then again, the transcripts themselves have been manipulated, directly and through translation.

Harder for the actors in this version as they were all closer to the Nazi generation than anyone else. Dietrich Mattausch who plays Heydrich was born in 1940. Peter Fitz who plays Stuckart was born in 1931 and remembers the Nazis well. Reinhard Glemnitz who plays Josef Bühler was born in 1930. So they felt this much closer than British/Irish actors who were in the "Conspiracy".

It's interesting that the 2022 one is extremely close to this version from 1984 in terms of the script and the dialogue, but they are very different movies overall. In terms of realism, I'm torn. It's open to speculation, but I think the characters in the 1984 one are better, especially the SS characters - not in terms of physical resemblance, but in their demeanor. More "zackig" and tough-acting. The 2022 version benefits from new research and omits a few ahistorical artistic liberties (such as the inclusion of the Cozzi affair, which IRL only happened after the conference) of the earlier version. As a movie, the 1984 version is IMHO better. 2022 is deliberately boring and dour. Oh, and compared to either version "Conspiracy" is Hollywood schlock.

what kind of place would be more fitting for such decisions? the more bigger... the house the more evil the people inside

Who Lives there now?

"Almost" impossible, you say? Maybe it WAS impossible...

@@388Caroline The house is a memorial

ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE?...LUDICROUS. WHAT ON EARTH HAS THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING OR THE ROOM S IN THE BUILDING GOT TO DO WITH THE COMINGS AND GOINGS AND DECISIONS TAKEN BY INDIVIDUALS AND GROUPS WHO HAPPEN TO HAVE CHOSEN THAT LOCATION...IT COULD HAVE BEEN ANY SIMILAR FACILITY ANYWHERE IN GERMANY OR AXIS OCCUPIED LAND. YOU MUST TRY HARDER.

No the name does fit, because the result of this meeting was not at all open to the public, in fact the topic wasnt allowed to be talked about in public, they stuck to the story of "relocation" for the public because they feared the people would be "too soft" and try to stop them.

That's odd; it reads as if you are an Amerikwan.

you mean that it was a succesful program T4 ? It strikes me as odd how Germans accepted to break the law of murder of civilians but they claim they followed medical ethics.

Very interesting observation, think about it, Germany hosted 1972 Olympic Games and 1974 FIFA World Cup, that was less that 30 years since the war ended. I'm sure there were some SS-man sitting at the stands cheering for the Germany who were never brought to justice

Even more disturbing is that these men weren’t on the face of it blood thirsty savages from a period in history that we would have referred them to have been just of their times, these were highly educated men some of which were doctors or lawyers from as you say….still within a lifetime ago involved in the wholesale industrialized slaughter of human beings! To say that this was unfathomably incomprehensible is an understatement!

@@mattg8431 And I'm sure there are still numerous Korean/Vietnam US Veterans running around with their bloody medals, being celebrated and worshiped for the killing of innocent children etc. Sooo, just shut up and think for a while...OK? And Yes, I am a German, one that has a gutful of your US arrogant, stupid hypocrisy. Thank you!

I've seen it several times also. One point that stuck with me, and I don't know if it was a point the film was trying to make. The different degrees of evil is shown well. The majority seemed to want a cut and dry genocide. Within them, are the ones who want it done humanely and others who just want it done. On the other hand, I believe its Kritzinger who doesn't want the 'final solution' but tries to persuade them to listen to his solutions first with letting Jewish blood be watered down through the generations and then sterilization. Also revolting evil ideas, but much better than the gas chambers. Picking the lesser of two evils in the most literal terms probably hasn't been shown so well, and its true which adds to it of course.

@@Kee2Oz Very good analysis. Thank you..Yes, I was also shocked at seeing it. It was an evil that was there with no emphasis. But completely deadly. I was bone-chilled when I finally felt it. Thank Yo.

Branagh's was way better.

@@taranullius9221 Branagh's Heydrich was too English, you could imagine him perhaps as a senior accountant in the East India Company but the athletic, charismatic Heydrich is obviously much more faithfully rendered here

I use Adblock Plus & uBlockOrigin as browser (Chrome) addons - all forms of commercials and advertisng are successfully suppressed at RU-vid. Videos are no longer interrupted.

​@@Rick2010100Can you stream it to your TV from laptop commercial free using those Chrome extensions? TIA.

@@alexfromboston8303 I just plug my TV into my laptop and use it as a monitor. I can't get TV reception where I live, and there's no damn way I'm paying $100 per month for cable. I use uBlockOrigin, but in the past month RU-vid has gotten around it a few times, even locking my account until I disabled it once, but I just used a different account, and the plugin worked just fine. Now this account is working again too. I think they just had to update the plugin. (I use Firefox, not Chrome. Google has enough of my data, and they own both RU-vid and Chrome.)

I prefer this.. More authentic as i feel weird lookinf on english speaking nazi 😂

Selbstverständlich ist diese Deutsche Version besser.

One of them did - Dr Lange (the one with the dog).

Heinrich Müller ironically wasn't a believer in National Socialism. He actually fought against them when they were running for power. He actually liked Stalin. Due to Müller's discipline and egotistical behavior, he only worked with the Nazis for power.

The definition of an inhuman butcher.

No No 😅

Go to 16:05 and Heydrich says the Reichsführer-SS fainted during an execution. So it is sort of mentioned here, as the Reichsführer-SS was Himmler.

Until the 1980s, the subject of war guilt was taboo in both Germanies. To their credit, they've owned up to the evil they wrought, unlike the Japanese.

I really enjoyed the English version Conspiracy. After watching this one for the first time, I think Stanly Tucci's Eichmann was better - creepier - but I think both Heydrichs were on par with each other. I love Branagh, and his pace and his command of the scene was outstanding, but so was Mattausch in this film. I think the English actors were all quite good, as were the German actors. I wonder how long it takes an actor to get into a role like Heydrich, and how long it takes to clear the filth out of their brain after it's done. I've got mad respect for both Mattausch and Branagh for going through it all to bring this ugly chapter of history to life for the rest of us. They obviously studied the guy thoroughly. They got inside his foul head. What an ugly place that must have been.

@@beenaplumber8379the english version has the major disadvantage of language. The german spoken here is not how people speak now or even in the 80s. The details in language, the melody, the attitude and wordings used to cover up the horror play a huge role in this. That is why this version stands out in my opinion

No, not a remake as such, more of an updated version, the quality of the acting is superior and thus the characterisations of the protagonists.

@@501sqn3 I see what you mean now that I have watched both and indeed, I did like both of them. 👍

@@501sqn3 I MUCH prefer this version. The chillingly matter-of-fact nature of this.

Actually, there was even an earlier production by German TV in the 1960's, a black and white film. There is also now a new German TV version available, made in 2021, well done but still not as chilling as the 1984 version seen here.

@@SNP-1999 Thank you. I didn’t know about these versions either. The latter one will be under copyright. But the 60’s one might be in the public domain now and who knows, that also could possibly be on here then.

Reflecting on the Camel being swallowed in Davos..

@@Calatriste54 Well said mate. 'rinse recycle repeat'.

@Red Pill Lmao. Sure, plotting to gas an entire group of people just based of their origin and beliefs is not the real issue here.

The fact it’s incredible should tell you something.

@@bobbyfischerman4811 A lot of things humanity has done are pretty incredible. Like flying, going to fucking space etc. Should that also tell me something?

The difference between a nun caring for orphans and mauling them with a machete in Rwanda was 15 minutes of a radio broadcast. The veneer of civilized behavior is paper thin in all of us.

Whats going on?

​@@TK-ub1ms small interjections that make your toes curl. hard to translate.

@@busTedOaS Yes

Nobody cares what you think, armchair analyst

He was so designated.

Arguably, the most competent of the inner circle.

He didn't go down easy either. His assassination was nearly a failure.

He was killed to protect Wilhelm Canaris I guess. Google Canaris. Very interesting character. "Wenn ich gehe, kommt Heydrich und dann ist alles verloren."

@@blawah1800 There was the possibility that Heydrich might find out Canaris’ true cover.

that's "Gestapo" Muller. A real nasty piece of work.

I can never forget this part of the movie. I am happy seeing someone who thinks like me.

@@izzetkaanyuksel8940 Yes the subject matter they are discussing is literally condemning millions of people to a slow, cruel, systematic death. And I guarantee you it will be repeated again and again in the future because we can never learn from mistakes made in the past.

@@MarkGeraghty They all were nasty

Jews and half Jews were not allowed to give the Nazi salute. It was a bit shocking that even after discussing how they planned on murdering millions, one half Jew who gave the Nazi salute was going to be picked up by the Gestapo.

Herr Seewald vom Marine-Attache mit den Unterlagen für den Durchbruch durch Gibraltar!

@@t.schmidt7441 So I was right?

Yes, you are right. The actor's name is Günter Spörrle.@@davidw.2791

​@@davidw.2791yes same actor

@@abooga8 Thanks!

There was ONE TRANSCRIPT. Everything around the actual transcript is fiction.

From what I read of articles and reviews about the movie, up until the conference started, it's all fiction, even the conversation was make-up. Still the dialogue able to convey the feelings and situation at the time. It's like job for them.

@@andresihotang8866 No kidding the conversations are made up, andre. Most of it is used to convey to the audience the SS’ plan to organize extermination efforts and how nonchalantly minorities and “subhumans” were seen by the upper administration of Nazi germany. These conversations serve a purpose for exposition.

Of all the participants one of the most interesting is Roland Freisler who would achieve notoriety as the Reich's "Hanging Judge" who presided over the show trial of the July 20 conspirators.

Yes, for history fans will notice Rolanf Freisler, the blood judge

One copy of the "record" still exists...

Do you have any reference for that? I can only find Eichmann talking during the "Eichmann process". Eichmann spoke hochdeutsch, no Austrian accent noticable. ( I am German).

@@ulicadluga Thank you for the link. In a way you are right. But as a native German I would never be able to hear any austrian accent concerning Eichmann. I can only notice that he is pronouncing the "ei" such in "einen" "einer" in a very moderate way as austrians do. But it is also pronounced this way in some areas of "Baden-Württemberg" especially in the region aroung the "Bodensee". The way Eichmann rolls the "R" is not comparable to the austrian dialect. It is just the old fashion german way. In German speaking countries (especially in Germany) many rolled the "R" this way. This is supposed to have started in the theatres and the operas due to the fact that they had no microphones. Especially in the Nazi regime almost everbody would roll the "R" that way. In the existing dialects the pronounciation of the "R" sounds very different, even when it is a rolling sound. "RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR" All of the actors in this movie rather talk a modern, sloppy/casual German of the eighties until today (especially Heydrich) than that old fashion way of the Forties and before. So by that the whole conference is transported into the recent time period. In my opinion this has an enormous effect. This is a master strike. For me as a German that strikes me. For I have the feeling that this conference is not something that happened in ancient times ... long ago.... in some foreign country where they talked in a strange german way. This is the way the managers of a company would discuss a future program. Also Kritzinger talks in a very soft way. He is concerned. But his concerns are in fact not about the inhumanity of the planned actions. But by letting the participants talking the modern German, as a German this gives me chills. Thereby I can absolutely feel and sense the banality of the evil (see Hannah Arendt). I don´t think this movie is about giving an exact historical portray of the participients. (Then they all would have to talk in this old fashion style that is not spoken in Germany anymore.) It has the intention to make tangible the banality of the evil. And therefore it is irrelevant to imitate Eichmann´s way to talk. Also one doesn´t see and hear Eichmann a lot. But his personality is portrayed with a brilliant performance of the actor. Eichmann didn´t feel accepted. They often joked that he had jewish looks. You can feel his insecurties, but yet that he is totally deprived of his feelings. That he is overly ambitious, a typical german official that is determined to make career in his "own war", the genocide, the planned massmurder of 11 million jews, the homosexuals, the gypies, the poles, every single person that doesn`t totally submit to the regime and so on. During the whole movie I felt sick and terrified and hurt. I even feel pyhsically that my heart aches. And this is due to the fact, that they talk the modern German in the movie.

@@antoniav.9553 You are, of course, absolutely right to point out that the use of "modern" "high German" makes it easier to understand the underlying mentalities. I agree that that works very well. For me, the inclusion of the natural dialects would have given an interesting historical context. As an apparent Countryman ("Landsman") of Hitler, Eichmann's career might have been helped somewhat. Also, Eichmann wouldn't have fitted in very well with the "Prussian" aristocracy, which still controlled the army to a great extent. Eichmann's "role" as the callous brute, ("Richter und Henker") may have been affected, as Hitler's ambitions were, by his inner conflict with his somewhat Austrian background. Underlying insecurities often are compensated by great and ruthless ambition.

@@antoniav.9553 Thanks. You really made me think.

Now reading what you wrote - bull's eye. I was constantly thinking ... 'this guy reminds of someone else ....'

The real Heydrich looked evil, even Himmler called him the man with the iron heart ❤️

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_with_the_Iron_Heart_%28film%29#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DThe_film_is_based_on%2Chave_circulated_in_Nazi_Germany.?wprov=sfla1

Absolutely horrific acting, has nothing to do with the real Heydrich.

Real heydrich was ugly 🐸

‘Never again”? 😂 What ARE you talking about? Do you know what the Chinese are doing TODAY to the Uigers? (Spelling wrong). Do you know what the Ukrainians are doing TODAY to the ethnic Russians in the Donbas area? Are you aware that Biden and the UK are TODAY funding the wiping out of Russian young men? Do you know about the domestic s1@ves in every middle class household TODAY in the Middle East? Do you know about the hundreds of thousands of children kidnapped every year NOW in the USA and the Far East who are forced into s*x s1@.very and then killed when they get too old? Have you not noticed the orchestrated erasure of the indigenous culture in Europe which is going on TODAY?

I think a lot of nations have forgotten their history, and this sort of thing looks very possible in places I never imagined, including the US. Our previous president came very close to scrapping our constitution and installing himself as an authoritarian ruler when he lost the election. He's already said now that he's going to politicize the justice department (get rid of the civil service and replace them with political appointees loyal to him) if he's re-elected and use it to purge his enemies. There's a very good chance that narcissistic maniac could be back in power in another year. Replacing the civil service with his appointees is easier said than done, but that's one of his announced plans. The world should be very concerned. I don't know if our constitution will survive another term if he's re-elected. Many of his followers are zealots without ideology, and at their core is a smaller (but growing) group who are unafraid of violence. They believe they're fighting for the good of our country, just like the early Nazis did. He promotes fear and hate, and he has designated racial, ethnic, and religious scapegoats. I know that comparing someone to Hitler or the Nazis generally invalidates what they say on the Internet, but that's how I see it, and I'm scared. How many times have people cried out "never again," and how many times since then have we sat and watched genocide after genocide? We see the signs early on, and we do nothing. Thousands are murdered and we do nothing. Am I on the wrong planet?

I just rewatched " Das Boot" last night. My thoughts exactly. Nobody can do a German officer like a German actor.

I think the lady is supposed to fill a "fish out of water" trope so that the other members can explain things that otherwise would seem out of place. Just a guess though.

The document in question is around 12 pages and lays out very broad strokes of what was said and done. So despite saying that a movie is based on it, most of the movie has no choice but to be speculative. I did read the minutes and it doesn't give out much details as to how the meeting went, it's more about who said what about what subject.

@@TurboPelvis Essentially you can take everything that is spoken informally or things that are not part of the official meeting such as the talks between Heydrich, Eichmann, Müller and Lange before and after to be not part of the minutes and not documented. They are however backed up by historic references of what actually happened at that time.

@@Blackstaralpha Yeah of course there are testimonies on what happened. I doubt that there is enough of those to fill all of the voids though. Testimonies can also be false, warped of misinterpreted. Hey I am not criticizing though. We just need to keep the perspective that this is a movie and that it needs to fill some gaps and adapt from the source material. As I said the minutes are very broad and disappointingly vague. The movies do not stray far from what is written though.

@@TurboPelvis I had also read this document. Thanks.