It's really worth mentioning that the biggest beneficiaries of Vulkan and DX 12 lately have actually been emulators. Dolphin has seen upwards of a %50 speed boost with it's DX12 backend implementation, and emulators for 7th gen consoles have seen tremendous headway in functionality.
+AdoredTV Indeed, if you look around almost every single emulator has reported tremendous progress recently,even ones that were on the brink of being shelved.
+AdoredTV Ah shooks my XFX budget gpu doesnt support vulkan but the amd catalyst gives me OpenGL 4.3 ,4.4 support in ubuntu 14.04.2 .The OpenGL 4.3 works awesome but ill have to get a better gpu in the future for vulkan nice
Ah, the early days, when just getting the game to run was cause to throw a party. I believe those hardships are why the older generation computer guys are often much more knowledgeable on computers than the younger generations.
Nice to see a fellow Scotsman doing his thing on youtube. I watched your nvidia pascal videos very interesting watch well done. I have subscribed to your channel
OMF2097! Loved that game. As for the old video card makers that we've lost from the gaming space, I really miss Matrox video cards. They always had the best drivers and best video quality, but they just fell too far behind on triangle counts with the Parhelia. They do live on in server class hardware though.
+makaighost Do you have the little gear icon next to the subscribe button though? Clicking on that should give you a box that sends you email whenever I made a new vid - i.imgur.com/E4QSu55.png
Hey mate, good stuff. Interesting results to say the least. Thanks for keeping me in the loop y0! Oh, by the way, thanks for the trip down memory lane. Where has the time gone?
I am so geeking out on this new tech. Can't wait to see developers take advantage of this stuff. At the end of the day, well all win in a big way. Does anyone have any *free* DX12 or Vulcan benchmarks that they could recommend?
16:45 What this could actually mean is that for next-gen consoles, the focus of die distribution can shift to the graphics part. Better graphics with a smaller and less powerful CPU. Given how powerful Zeppelin is in multicore and multithreading AMD could trade CPU performance for GPU without bottlenecking the graphics part. The master plan evolves. Going back in history is always a lesson, many people don't realise.
The next couple of years will be very interesting for PC gaming with Vulcan, direct X 12, Pascal, Polaris and Zen all changing the game. Exciting stuff! another great video. Thanks! 👌
+someone That's a long wait. it's looking like late 2017 for Vega. I'm using a r9 290 and it's holding up well but I'm considering upgrading to Polaris when the high end cards get released. What card are you currently using?
+someone Oh OK my mistake. That card should hold out OK as long as nvidia keeps drivers going for it. still definitely worth waiting at the moment. my brother wants a new desktop so I'm making him wait.
+Kevin H Not right now at least as they just took so long to get done and the views were so poor. I intend to do some kind of gaming videos though not the let's plays. Cheers bud.
+Ian Brandon Something Yes it's kind of true, tbh I just needed to think really hard about it. It goes even further, but that's one for a future video. ;)
+AdoredTV Well, set your goal at 500,000. I mean good luck ever hitting Linus Tech Tips 2,000,000 but as far as the other tech vloggers go there are way to many nvidia sh!lling fanboys. The only balanced individual is "Tech of Tomorrow", even JayzTwoCents while decently balanced can get annoying with his Nvidia bias. We need another prominent tech youtuber who is balanced and calls out company's like Nvidia on their bullshit. To get there though you're going to have to release more content on a more regular basis and they are going to have to be videos about hardware because "gaming" vids simply don't work anymore. You're going to have to convince companies that you are legitimate enough to deserve free hardware to review!! Many people who actually care about the custom PC and gaming industry realize that AMD NEEDS to do well for consumers to not get completely screwed over and anyone with a bit of moral fiber understands that Nvidia cannot be allowed to continue its anti competitive, shady practices. You are the only one I've seen that is able to really put things into perspective in a video with logical thought out arguments. We NEED you to be successful more than you can possibly imagine lol. NO PRESSURE! :D
love your vids mate! i wait patiently all week for something fresh. cant wait till there's some actual news to fuel the content lol, still the depth of knowledge you go into is epic!! i reckon you would make the best conspiracy theorist! cheers mate
Inferior performance in DX12 and Vulkan in some titles is very likely because of lack of experience on development side. When you go lower level, it is easier to screw up. Talos Principle is a good example, as devs were expecting first version of Vulkan port performance to be equal to OpenGL at best. Once they get more practice with that kind of lower level GPU programming, things will get better. For those curios enough I can recommend "Vukan sessions @ GDC 2016" where they had few lightning talks on different aspects of Vulkan API, common pitfalls and best practices.
Actually mantle couldve worked on NVIDIA cards, NVIDIA just needed to put a little work in it. Something they obviously did not do, until it was changed into Vulkan. source(ish): wccftech.com/amd-mantle-api-require-gcn-work-nvidia-graphic-cards/
+The WrATH yes, I know that, I just said that mantle couldve easily been made for NV architectures. The async compute is a problem in ever next gen API now for nvidia cards, mantle, vulkan or DX12, it does not matter
***** " Actually mantle couldve worked on NVIDIA cards, NVIDIA just needed to put a little work in it. Something they obviously did not do, until it was changed into Vulkan." this just made me wonder
I think you are underestimating one aspect of Gameworks : it's CUDA based, and from what I gathered AMD is working on implementing CUDA through drivers into GCN architecture www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/boltzmann-initiative-2015nov16.aspx
Bloody hell the first part of the video was real trip down memory lane (no pun intended), nice to see. Great video again Jim even if it wasn't originally intended that way, very surprised that the optimisation of VRAM is down to both AMD & NVidia, who would have think it eh the world gets stranger everyday. I see you also got a retweet from AMD for this video which is great for the channel but may also fuel some anti AMD fan boys!
So in the far future, if the next gen game consoles are using Vulkan, does that mean that we could take an "Exclusive" PS5 game and do some kind of DRM hack so that the XBOX "TWO" could play it, assuming they are using the same exact API? Consoles seem to slowly be evolving into PC grade hardware with a custom OS over, so its not entirely crazy to assume that the next gen consoles will just be PC hardware using the same exact code, but just overlaying some DRM to keep the game exclusive. Or am I overthinking this?
Wonderful video. Here's to hoping that the directX monopoly is shaken up with Vulkan adaptation, and that AMD manages to get some marketshare back from nvidia to speed up the advancements in GPU tech.
+foreign's gaming tech Regarding Vulkan adoption, I don't think it will gain much support unfortunately since Apple went their own way. It would work if Vulkan was for everything else. Now it's largest support comes from Android, and that wasn't quite what we hoped for... I really don't understand why Apple did this now. They have crapped on gaming for so many years despite a demand. All they had to do was to keep up with the latest OpenGL. If Apple was on the boat I would say it had a chance.
+Snetmot Nosrorb When was Apple ever relevant to gaming in general other than on their closed platform? Android is still a large platform in mobile, but mobile gaming is on a whole other ecosystem most PC/console developer's aren't trying to create games on. Apple's decision to have the isolated "Metal" api makes business sense from Apple's position. It instantly ties any software to Apple's devices and prevents piracy to "cracked" devices. I don't own Apple products, so I could care less about what they do.
FL33T WOOD Being a Mac user isn't equal to not being interested in games. Half the reason why games don't come to Mac is because it's not technically possible without major changes in the code, because Apple have taken the stance of not bothering to keep up with OpenGL. Mac not supporting Vulkan in effect means Vulkan will just be an Android API The strength of Vulkan should be its universality. There's really no other incitement to choose it over DirectX. You bet Microsoft gives game developers some hard incitement to use DX, since games are a major reason why people use Windows. So Vulkan in itself has to give something else, and it's always been about compatibility. If it doesn't work on all PC OS:s for home users, it will fail. If Mac supported Vulkan, I bet a lot more game developers would go the extra mile and release their games on Mac too. Because it's just 1 extra mile, not 50 like today. And Mac is a growing platform. Apple going with Metal only makes sense if they think full control over the complete software ecosystem is worth more than having a wide supply of software. That is also known as vendor lock-in. And that only works good if you are a major player and can afford the bad-will it generates. Iphone is not all that big anymore, and it is slowly but steadily getting smaller. In that scenario it doesn't make sense to go with a niche API. They wouldn't really sacrifice anything by going with Vulkan. Sure, Metal surely gives a little more performance, since they probably tweak it for their phones, but at the expense of software supply, both some on their Iphone and significantly on Mac.
Mantle was also accessible to Microsoft and Apple and both of them were board members of the openglNext working group. Most likely they were heavily 'inspired' by Mantle.
This is going to be one hell of a marketing war in the maintime, which may be part of why AMD re-tweeted this. As you said towards the end there, AMD's GPUs and CPUs are well positioned to take advantage of DX12 and Vulkan. As DX12 plays a larger role in benchmarking there's going to be more and more shouting from AMD/NVidia on whether or not a title is a 'true' DX12 title as it seems quite likely that there will be little consistency between titles for a while.
+AmurTiger DX12 is still really rocky so far. Nvidia's pascal should give them a run for their money if the performance reports are to be believed from their mid range cards lol
next topic suggestion, history of tessellation, anti aliasing and how much you should use with different resolution setting and how will it effect your performance
i wonder if it will be worth doing an 'update' video on this. after all you have done the history so its just a year or so of changes to talk about.... i mean how many changes could there be....?
hi mate, I meant to ask, do the new APIs that help GPUs work better together also remove the issues such as driver support with dual GPU cards such as yours? cheers! keep the vids coming!
+kiblams It puts the onus on the developer instead of AMD or Nvidia, so we may see it or maybe not depending on developer time...or more likely depending on how much they get paid to implement it.
The new low-level APIs bring an issue of backwards compatibility to the table. So while we're going to see Vulkan/DX12 work on newer hardware, older GPUs will have to be supported by DX9-11. What do game devs have to say about it? It's going to make their creation process that much harder.
Didnt realize amd had been setting up for success these past few years! Vulcan and DX12 show that AMD's cards actually perform better when not under a api choke :D Very good news indeed! Better buy up the next gen amd cards before they level out price with nvidia.
+Surms41 Yeah, I think for the recent generations of AMD hardware (on the gpu side), more actual power has been going into the cards compared to Nvidia, but Nvidia has had the upper hand on developer partnering and driver optimization/choking AMD.
Very informative and great video as always :) I am a bit disappointed by the recent AMD benchmarks regarding DX12 and Vulcan, however I can see the light at the end of the tunnel with the new gpus at the end of this year/beginning of next year! :)
Is anybody else a bit suspicious of DX12 and Microsoft? Why does it need to be on Windows 10? What's up with Microsoft's crappy store? Their recent activity is just an eyebrow raiser Edit: Maybe this DX12 and Windows 10 relate to Microsoft's attempt to bolster the popularity of the Window's Store, just so they can get that middle man cut from disturbing games on the PC
AdoredTV Allow me to type my thoughts upon realizing all this "Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk" I think the fact the Microsoft is trying to merge Xbox One features into Windows 10 also helps prove that Microsoft is trying to be a major games distributor
+Pan Z Dx12 is windows 10 exclusive because it relies on fundamental changes to the windows kernel, more specifically WDDM 2.0. there were many articles on this almost a year ago. it should come to no surprise that if you want to minimize interference between GAME / API / OS / DRIVER / HARDWARE, that adjusting both your OS and API and then asking vendors to adjust their DRIVER is necessary. the windows store crap is obvious, they want to minimize cost porting game between xbone and PC and they also dont want to give distributers like steam, GoG, origin, a cut of the sale on their own games. they need to hammer out the problems with UWP and fast, or their sales figures will suffer far more from consumer distaste than they would from paying 30% per sale to a retailer.
+gameguy301 I think they have no chance in that sector given GOG most times old games you hardly get running these days and Steam a big library for everything. It will more likely be like Uplay and Origin with few maybe good games but probably hated. Origin and Uplay used to have games on Steam so they got people on there Plattform but Windows does not use this step and thats the reason it will be very unknown and unliked-> it will die again. The only positive I gain from this here, If you get the Xbox Game you at least have a somewhat useable game on PC too. Well at least thats how I see that and I think we have WindowsLive2.0 here except this version comes with handicapped games which consume more space sometimes and miss several features.
+Pan Z I really hope the Windows Store just dies quietly in a corner somewhere, I don't want to be stuck dual-booting windows just for games for the rest of my life.
I tried doing my research but seeing as I am not very good at software implications of any kind and more of a hardware guy, I still don't understand the superiority of dx12 over vulcan as some might imply. In fact, I haven't seen a way of getting vulcan. Is it like a program that you need to download and install like dx before windows 10? Or does it come embedded with the operating system?
+Mustang De Man You can download vulkan drivers from here - www.khronos.org/vulkan/ There's not a whole lot of point right now as there aren't really many games using it. They should also be part of the general AMD/Nvidia drivers from now on.
+AdoredTV ha. I've been there. must've missed it. thank you very much, and keep up the good work. your channel is one of the more informative once I must admit :)
0:41 ah, back then where consoles were all about gaming, rather than what we have today. When you wanted to seriously game back in the 80's and 90's, you bought a console. Strange how things have changed
AdoredTV The PS2 wasn't bad. It represented devs accounting for the hardware limitations. Devs used the extra power to make 3D games run at 60fps. Today, we see many devs pushing consoles beyond what they're capable of and getting an unstable 30fps. There is good news. Many devs are once again targeting 60fps, though these 8th-gen consoles are a bit underpowered. Anyway, it's strange to think that, back in the 80's and 90's, a console could even be more powerful than a gaming PC
AdoredTV Well, not with the PS4 and Xbox One; and not with the current mentality of a bunch of devs and publishers. I'd honestly like to see consoles giving the PC community some decent competition.
I swear when I see your vids that are years long I get scared and just before I skip through it it captures my interest and I watch the whole thing although some of it I already know but you just amazing man! and that accent is so sexy oh my god if you want bitches just go anywhere else in the world. And if you want fame just do what you keep doing! my fav youtuber hands down! I hope you get mill of subs so you can do this full time! so amazing!
+Fadzilicious Cheers lol. Yeah this one was a bit longer than normal, I even had to cut parts out! I already went elsewhere in the world. ;) Not sure about fame but I'll take fortune. :D
+Fadzilicious Lol funnily enough somebody did a fake rant in this video about me being an Nvidia fanboy (total irony) and a bunch of people jumped on them for it . :D Comment now deleted haha!
+AdoredTV Haha. M8 I can't stress how excited I am for your channel to blow up! idk why.. Like when my dad bought me my first phone which was the galaxy s5. I was like rediculously happy. Cus I had a high end smart phone at the time. I was like.. :DDD haha. Anyway an apple fanboy came up to me at school and mocked my phone and all I could think about was samsung dominating the market wiping out apple in the process. and that's how I got interested in tech apart from the fact that I had a really bad AMD laptop that burnt a hole in my leg and drained the battery in 10 secs. haha and my first game that I ran on it was crysis 2 that I was terrible at online. and when I started trying to work out how samsung could dominate the market I started to realise what components fit where etc you know what happens next. Then I bought myself a completely amd rig because as you even say in this vid they usually have more cores with less on each. before I didn't understand that and bought according my theory of bang for the buck haha. now because I saved up. (funnily enough buying and selling graphics cards and phones for a profit - mainly phones) I bought myself a rig with 2 gtx 970's and an I7 4790k. lol sorry to bore you with this story but because of that initial fanboyism I told myself that if I am to become a fanboy I wanna be on the winning side. If you were a fanboy guaranteed that will be the winning side. lol sorry again haha. I'm your fanboy... haha. keep making amazing vids man!
About the VRAM usage. Isn't that, just as regular RAM, only for caching information for faster availability? I think it was Jayztwocents that made a video around VRAM usage in 4k, showing that a card that uses more than 4GB VRAM won't necessarily gain performance from it. Say you use a r9 390 with 4GB and one with 8GB, the 8GB might cache more information for easy access but that's not any performance that you'll see. I may be wrong here, but it's just a thought of why you'd see the 8GB cards use that much VRAM.
+ProfessorSlash Yes that's how it works in DX11 and it's probably why it's not working well in DX12. I didn't go into full details but my working theory is that the devs just cache the VRAM with abandon in DX11, letting the driver deal with it, yet doing that in DX12 leads to these kinds of issues. They'll have to get used to throwing out unused stuff better, or stop just caching everything. One of the biggest issues right now is they don't have the tools available to know exactly what is going on. AMD had tools for Mantle and probably has working DX12 tools as well, but Nvidia probably doesn't yet.
Great vid! I have an AMD FX6300, do you think that I will experience a noticable increase in performance with Vulkan due to improved CPU core usage or do you think that AMD would gimp this potential improvement in favour of their new architecture? Is this a sensible question?
+Cmdr Embryo It should be a lot better under DX12 and Vulkan when done properly. There's not a lot AMD can do to gimp performance on CPUs, if a game is well-threaded it'll run better on any CPU with more cores compared to low single-core performance.
AdoredTV Cheers. I thought that might be the case. I am certainly looking forward to the new api coming in, it will be nice to get some sort of performance boost for "free".
+Cmdr Embryo I have the same processor. I want to see the 50% improvement over my Phenom II x4 that the processor can actually bring. The Phenom II x6 was actually competitive with the i5 in titles that take advantage of the extra 2 cores. The FX 6300 should be competitive with the i5 yet the single core performance holds it back
+Cmdr Embryo I have been saying for ages with these new api's that the fx series should "age like a fine wine". More of a theory that I concocted after reading into this stuff, but as applications get more multi threaded or get better support with multi threading, the fx series should see a nice boost as seen in one of the slides in this video. Hopefully it will become a trend would be nice to see those chips get some extra life.
I think we will see vulkan more on mobile devices at first, on pc... Next year is a bit too soon but valve with htc vive would make a demo/game. On other side i am curious about vRam and task management with crossfire/SLI under dx12, it would be like ashes and implement their own solution or it would depend on the driver side?
+Miguel Granda Martínez All the onus appears to be on the developer for Crossfire/SLI support now, which probably means they'll only do it if they get incentives from AMD or Nvidia.
Great more waiting. At this point thinking of getting a DirectX11 Windows 7 machine just to get stuff done. My old PC's MB is breaking down and it's not worth fixing it. A reflow might be the last try, but I'm at my wits end.
Next year is looking so promising. We will have had new CPU architectures from both AMD and Intel, as well as the next generation of graphics cards AND the next generation of APIs with a good amount of time to get out of their infancy.
+ShiroiKage009 Yeah I tend to agree, it's next year most of this stuff will really happen. I think most of us were hoping for this year but the way it's going now it does look like 2017.
AdoredTV The fact that AMD froze development on Mantle and the delay on Vulkan pushed things back a long way when it came to software. I feel like if AMD kept Mantle going then developers would have been learning how to develop low-level on PC, which would translate to better preparedness for both DX12 and Vulkan. In any case, the hardware wasn't quite there with the features on either side (more so on Nvidia's rather than AMD) so a delay might not have been the worst things that could have happened.
+ShiroiKage009 Yeah had they still been using Mantle I feel that most issues would have been solved by now, though Oxide are still having one or two issues with Ashes (look at Tonga).
AdoredTV Weird issues that take time to work out are part of any paradigm shift though, aren't they? Do you think that having Mantle around to fill the time between DX11 and 12 would have helped this be worked out faster?
+ShiroiKage009 Hard to say with Oxide still having issues - I think they must be AMD's closest partner in all this. I just wonder how much this is gonna be an issue in the future with backward compatibility. I'm thinking that some kind of middleware might be useful for memory management here.
I figure the reason why we are getting a lot of these trash ports like Just Cause 3, Arkham Knight, and COD: Black Ops 3 is because of VRAM management. Leaving the job up to some of these developers these days is not the best idea.
+João Santos (Leptic) Developers are lazy, but what i have seen pc gamers blame on consoles is that they are holding back the games (most complaints in regard to graphics), if a game is made for consoles they have a set performance target and when ported to pc the devs dont try to optimase the game.
The developers like me that are graphics enthusiasts. People like us that just generally geek out about graphics. We make pretty good ports. But we're definitely a minority
+14supersonic Nah, we're getting a lot of trash ports because devs are going to the big publishers looking to make a game, and being met with "oh, yeah, sure, we'll give you the budget to make your game, but first you need to prove yourself by doing this port for us in about half the time we'd actually expect your team to be able to do it."
hello I think AMD is going to be in the lead again like they were in the late 90's till mid 2005 about time if they play both side's especially Nvidia.
Hello, I would like to remind you about this comment after 3 years and tell you you were almost right. AMD is currently destroying Intel in the CPU market, but their GPU are quite debatable; their drivers still suck as per usual.
+Pan Z not the first time they did it they did it with older ones too only difference being that they couldn't update the microcode from bios/os back then so if you had one that could be oced you got lucky (it btw is the reason intel pushed really hard on microcode updates via windows)
+Pan Z Well, according to their own statement when they finally decided to make one, they just advised people not to do so, but it wasn't against their legal terms of use. Asrock came out with motherboards that had their own chip for BLCK overclocking, so we might see non k-scew chips become overclockable again. Asrock Fatal1ty H170 Gaming K4 Hyper and Fatal1ty B150 Gaming K4 Hyper are the boards I'm speaking of, which features an external clock generator, which is able to change the BLCK speed in increments of 0,0625MHz. Quite fascinating. Hopefully Intel will stand for what they said.
ProfessorSlash no the cpu microcode doesn't allow it when the blck is higher as a certain threshold you'll probably just get a bsod or it won't even boot like we've seen in the past
Regarding Rise of the tomb raider, I think the shitty performance is because Nvidia hijacked it on the way to PC, even though it was first developed for the GCN-based Xbox one. Really strange.
You really need to do a video about the ps4.5 and its "native" 4k resolution. I mean, even if polaris and the new APIS are as good as they seem, I still dont its possible to get 4k gaming for only 400$
mkvsng gg Pretty much just optimization on graphical asset quality, and of course, 1440p upscaled to 4k. Either by the new checkerboard rendering or whatever in engine upscaling was used before that. In engine upscaling is better than taking a straight 1440p output and trying to use billinear or bicubic upscaling from what I've experienced. But it is not magic and is not as good as native 4k unless you're rendering 1800p minimum, more like 1920p before it's not as noticable between native 4k.
About memory, mouse, sound and grapicssupport in DOS.. it really was not that bad as you describe it. It was really a bref period when soundblaster become popular in front of adlib and when we ran out of conventional memory. Dos4GW basically solve the memory issue. Sound card was really a issue because you not only need to specifiy what kind, but also interrupt and busses... and some games had problems with some configuration... Later addon software solved this problem to. For instance Wolfstein 3D have a automatic sound card detection that work just perfect. There was also some automatic Grapics detection, but they was nearly never used. Because most game was processor intensive. By the time a CPU could drive a VGA card, SVGA was already standard.. (and SVGA was backwards compatible). At this point there was no 3D and there was almost only VGA compatible grapicscards.
+matsv201 Artistic license Mats. ;) My recollection of it back then was struggling with config.sys on a game per game basis, but sure it wasn't a disaster or anything, just a pain in the arse when you come from a "plug and play" console or Amiga/ST background.
AdoredTV Yea.. it was a real struggle. But it was actually just a few games.. But it was mostly solved about 1992-1993. There was a other reason why gaming on PC was not that popular. The EGA memory interface was really buky to use.. and also quite slow.. This was a hardware issue. Also it had no sprite support (but i would say this is really a smaller problem). CGA of cause have the text 16 color hack making of kinof work. But EGA.. sure it looked good, but it was soo slooooow. I would say this was really the biggest problem. The sound card and the memory issue was also a problem early 90-tys, but it disapered quite a head of gaming on windows even was a thing
+matsv201 I basically started using PC's around the early 90's yeah, I'd have been 15/16 at that time and started my training then, so with 286's and 386's. I think we had mostly EGA graphics but there were one or two with VGA and maybe one with SVGA. Guess which one I had lol.
+AdoredTV Well back in the EGA days it was no problem because EGA was that horibly slow with byte by byte transfer so the screens was almost always read from disc. Also with AdLib grapicscard that had a driver that was very light on ram there was also no real problem When early VGA came with much faster graphics access, they often load all graphics to ram. By this time most computer had 2MB of ram, but some had only 1. This was a issue because reading from the 640kb low to the 1024kb high was really hard. So if you had a 2MB computer the coders have to chose of having the 1MB of memory over 1024kb or the 640kb of memory under 640kb shared with most drivers. Because adlib drivers was that smal as well as mouse driver there was no problem... but soundblaster become popular they used alot more driver memory. When Dos4GW came... it was basically a driver that automatically mapped the high memory to the low and it just worked. This also solved the mouse issue, and made it easer to solve the sound card issue. Then when autodetect software came available it was just not a issue any more... look at the entry screen of wolfstein 3d. There is some autodetect information. There was not even a configuration file... it just worked. The issue with the config.sys and autoexce.bat was really when people start buying soundblaster 32, AWE64 or pro that eat ram, then try to run games that was 2-3 year old from before the time of the large soundbaster cards. Also because most grapicscard and controllers start using DMA they use a lot more ports. occupying all the normal interrupts. Using non DMA old games work with no problem...... So basically games from around 1989 to 1992 that uses VGA was problematic on computers that was made about 1994-1996.... Well sure, most people was well aware of that problem in that era.. and a lot of people think of windows as solving that problem.. and it sort of is true... For example winciv was quite a lot easier to run than Civilization that was one of the problem games. But what really spawned DX was 3DFx and Nvidia. 3DFx first run on Glide, then came Nvidia and run on OpenGL... Game devs really hated it so they start develop for DX in steed ... 3DFx really didn´t live that long and bite the dust just a few years after, but it was sufficent time for DX to gain a advantage over OpenGL.. even thow OpenGL was superior at the time. OpenGL did get bloated over time. but what really kiled it was Windows Vista. Windows Vista uses DX for the desktop acceleration. So if Vista desktop acceleration was available DX was always active. This forced OpenGL to run under DX that made it horribly slow. It really was as easy to turn of desktop acceleration and OpenGL was just as fast as on Windows 98.. but nobody know that... and even worse a lot of press just claimed that OpenGL was horrible on Vista with out explaining why. This problem was solved later, but OpenGL was basicly alreddy dead by this point.
+matsv201 Yep that sounds about right. I played Civ on the ST and Amiga I think, but not the PC. Civ 2 was the first PC game I had for my DX4 around 96 and by then it was all solved, so it would have been in-between that time. I remember an issue with Frontier Elite 2 as well, that's the one that stands out. Maybe Quake as well.
So as all the ppl who knew how to do memory management either retired and/or died the new ppl are taught API management and how to work with it instead of here is 2 trillion bits go at it kind of thinking. when you get hobbyists for small PCB boards can get very good memory management to the point that they can put a text file into a 64 byte space if need be. we need game devs that can think that way. when every bit matters they can get very good performance. At this time i do not see DX12 taking off and almost everyone knows about steam. like them or hate them they know steam if they game on pc. realistically we will have to train an entire new team for dx12.2 and Vulcan to make use of low level features like that.
Because with Dx12 the Fx can use more cores.When using Dx11 its limited to like 2 or 4 cores , and since Intel CPUs have better performance per core they would have an edge.
So overall DX12 is low level API that we had back in the late 80's to 90's era, I hope to God that the developers can get as much GPU performance out of the all cards. But my biggest fear is that they may just focus on the lastest and greatest GPU's from AMD/Nvidia then leave behind the not so old cards like Fermi, Kepler, Maxwell, 6000, 7000 and 300 Series GPUs in the cold.
+NitrousX Productions That is a worry that I was going to put into the video but cut due to time. I'm pretty sure devs won't go back to optimize for older architectures.
+AdoredTV yeah that's my worry =/. So no matter which api they use their most likely to optimise for the latest and greatest. Still like you said still early days
Just wondering but does anyone know if gpuopen would be a solution to many of the developers problems? Because then wouldn't it make it much easier if one develepor did a good dx12 or vulkan port then anyone could do it much easier.
also... why a reference r9 390x? we all know that those blower coolers are 95 degree monstrosities :p perhaps they would have performed better with aftermarket cooling.
+rtitusz Cheers bud. Yeah I quite like this format as well though when it is a bit tougher to get the video where you want it to be, the time between can seem really long. Still having noise issues as well so that's not helping either lol.
+Andre Ramirez I don't think so - normally when you see minimum framerates dropping so drastically it's a "hard" bottleneck, ie just running out of VRAM and being forced to use the much slower system RAM instead. Lacking bandwidth is a much more gradual process.
That makes sense, hopefully one of these true DX12 titles will finally come to fruition to see some sort of advancement. But taking your research into account we will have to hope for excellent hardware integration through the developers now. The fear of laziness or just imperfections makes me wonder if developers will be involved with updates more heavily...
+Andre Ramirez Yeah dev laziness could well be a factor here. I think we maybe need another "Crysis" moment where one of them blows us all away with a true DX12 title, forcing the rest of the industry to adapt.
+AdoredTV Very true, there hasn't really been a true "Wow" experience in terms of graphical fidelity which has made the graphics market stale. Also looking at VR, there is no way it will not provide that level of push on first implementation to the main stream just do to cost for the vast majority of people. So I guess better thought now is when will a development inspire the market.
13:14 *ahem* 970 has 4GB of VRAM. Is that your bias showing? Because though .5 GB of the frame buffer is slower, does NOT mean it does not exist. And Nvidia drivers, use that VRAM if needed for operations that do not require as much bandwidth in general, and even if it does store full textures that is still 32 GB/sec direct and dedicated VRAM bandwidth. And I can tell you for a fact that Maxwell, in DX11 does VERY well with low bandwidth memory - likely due to 3rd Gen delta color compression. My friend's Asus laptop has a dual core Sky Lake i7 mobile, with a GTX 950m that uses 2 GB of DDR3 with a bandwidth of just 29.8 GB/sec (I verified this by installing GPU-Z and afterburner with Kombustor) and it truly amazes me just how much BETTER it runs every game than my brother's system with a true quad core i5 ivy bridge (locked, turbos to 4 GHZ IIRC) and an Nvidia GTX 560ti - which I personally have tweaked and over clocked as far as was stable which included bringing the VRAM to about 5 GHZ effective, for a bandwidth around 138 GB/sec which is 4.7 TIMES as much! Sure the 560ti has 1 GB of VRAM, but that RAM is so very much faster, and the GPU is still slightly stronger overall. You CANNOT claim to be unbiased and then tell people the tired old line that the 970 has "3.5 GB of VRAM" when that is not at all the case, you do not explain it, you just state it as if it were straight facts. When it is not, and pretending it does not exist is provably false, as drivers now most certainly do make use of all 4 GB if needed. I'm not saying the 970 is not PENALIZED in performance when it does indeed effect performance IF all 4 GB is needed, but it still is not by much.... Otherwise I am REALLY enjoying this video, it has just really become obvious that whether you admit it or not, you are biased towards AMD. And there is nothing inherently wrong with that, I mean they ARE responsible for Vulkan coming into existence, and therefore my POTENTIAL ability to not NEED to upgrade to Windows 10 to make best use of any given hardware I may have! And I USED to be very biased towards Nvidia myself, I will admit it, but who doesn't want the hardware they bought to have been the best choice? I am trying to stay entirely neutral and unbiased about what is coming, in terms of Polaris and Pascal, as well what MAY happen when Zen is released. Though I don't feel like upgrading my CPU will really matter much at all for gaming and my usage, even if Zen becomes the new king, unless it is a total game changer, I probably will not buy one until long after they have been released, and Intel may or may not have a solid reply. But as for what IS out there, what ARE known qualities and quantities, Nvidia and AMD are pretty close in any regard, though Nvidia does edge AMD out by a little in most gaming cases where DX11 is involved, and Intel is CURRENTLY the only really viable option for a new PC, or for anyone that wants the most performance on the best platform CURRENTLY available! But as for things coming, I am eagerly awaiting the TRUE test of who has the mettle!
+Dysphoricsmile I'm not gonna give Nvidia a free pass for the shit they pull. The last half GB of VRAM is so slow it's barely an upgrade on normal system RAM.
kind of sounding to me like there is a push to go back to the days of having to program for different hardware, leading to games that only work on certain pieces of hardware. indie devs would find it very difficult if not impossible to write for, much less test on, all the different hardware. whole thing sounds to me like a push for big money to regain a stronger foothold against low budget indie developers.
with how broken games have been lately, I think devs would take even more time with dx12 or vulkan as it said it gives more options but is harder too, no dx11 hand holding is present there. so I can see many devs for a while ignoring the benefits of this new api and memory managment for continuing the simplicity dx11 had given. not saying they wouldn't switch to 12orvulkan, just saying they wont really TRY too hard to sqeez some juice out of them if even dx11 games are coming broken as hell.
There's a reason not everyone dies low level programming it's a waste of time unless you need the performance of a AAA game. What's the most popular language to write code in? It's JavaScript and that thing is a massive hog. Only companies that were really dedicated to PC releases will be able to make these new Apis a good thing. The rest simply won't bother
