great interview. Great information. I think the patience and waiting while virtuous in theory, left those who waited trapped and at the mercy of those who apperently have no ability to “tolerate“ opposing opinions.
Listen believers, don't fear losing your stuff. You can meet in a parking lot or tent or a school gym. A small gathering of commited belivers is far more powerful than a thousand pew sitters nodding along and nodding off.
North Georgia forced us to a class action lawsuit to get our vote per 2553. If not for God’s grace working through a judge in an injunction and some Spirit filled attorneys , we would still be locked in litigation, possibly for years. Praise God for His faithfulness.
Church leaders have allowed a very small percentage of the alphabet group to destroy the church. Disaffection doesn’t count for the individual families that have left, knowing the alphabet group would change the church. As far as regionalism, that will drive the final nail on the cross.
It's not a small minorities of alphabets who made this happen, they have always been there. It was and is feminist pushing this agenda which is a huge number.
I can say that some are waiting until after the GMC as - far as as the Book of Discipline - nothing has changed yet. I pray you are wrong as far as future difficulties if the Book is changed, but likely you will be correct.
Don’t forget when Jesus turned over the money changers tables, He hates sin in His church. This is not His church. It’s about obedience and abiding in Him. This is called choosing to live in sin this is wrong and church leaders will be punished by God for leading their people astray. God’s wrath will come down on these leaders.
I am a member of a church that disaffiliated. We were tired of all the conflict and distraction going on in the UMC. We wanted a church where the focus was on the Bible, the Word of God, and the teachings of Jesus Christ. He is correct that some states turned disaffiliation into a chance to extort money from the churches trying to disaffiliate. Thank goodness our conference was not one of those.
1Timothy4:1. Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times, some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils.
We missed the opportunity to submit for disaffiliation due to misinformation. is there any option for us to disaffilite now we are a part of NY annual conference?
The US is altering the truth and that makes the differences. Let us look back on God's dos and donts and the Holiness which is John Wesley's advocacy. The book of Discipline will become The Book of Compromise.
I’m just waiting for a purple hair United Methodist delegate to announce they identify as a cat and meow and hiss at the podium 😸😆. I’ve been watching the conference and what a bunch of weirdos 😂😂
I'm just waiting for WCA and Good News to finally disaffiliate and go to the GMC that they helped launch. Why still UMC, if not just to meddle in the affairs of the GC?
@@paulcooper8335some stayed trying to fight the stealing of a denomination. But, others decided not to play ball with these disengenous folks. Those leaving obviously made the correct decision, but those left behind now seem stuck with a vengeful bunch. So hilarious of the progressives to claim Africa is being manipulated by the conservatives. If thats not the pot calling the kettle black.
I wonder if Tom’s view has changed at all now that regionalization passed by a margin so wide that it wouldn’t have been changed if every missing delegate had voted against it. Probably not, but a guy can dream.
"There is a lot of crowing by regionalization supporters that today’s votes passed by a margin larger than the number of absent international delegates. But part of being a delegate is being present for the discernment and the opportunity to conference together. Disenfranchisement contributes to lopsided vote totals." In short, disenfranchised delegates who opposed regionalization were robbed not only of their own opportunity to vote, but also robbed of their opportunity to make their appeal and try to persuade their fellow delegates to vote against regionalization. It's also possible that the African delegates who did vote for regionalization couldn't pay the cost of giving up the UMC brand in Africa, so they voted for regionalization as a way of protecting themselves against US UMC liberalization and apostasy. Don't think for a second that Africa UMC is friendly and amenable to US UMC causes and priorities. They are not.
@@dalethomas5392 In other words, there will always be another excuse to shield the Good News crowd from having to engage in any real self-reflection. Got it.
@@jacobshepherd1533 the projection is strong with you. The mainlines - UMC included - are in rapid decline into oblivion. It isnt the Good News crowd in need of self-reflection.
Projection is your forte, it seems. The mainlines - UMC included - are in rapid decline into oblivion. It isnt the Good News crowd that is in need of self-reflection.
@@jacobshepherd1533projection is your forte, it seems. The mainlines - UMC included - are in rapid decline into oblivion. It isnt the Good News crowd in need of self-reflection.
@@Sheltowee1775 I think what they meant to say was, "Grow up." Content creators don't get to choose what ads RU-vid inserts into their videos. Your problem is with YT, not the OP. The More You Know!
That's great. Does love, grace, and care to all require the perpetuation of an identitarian lifestyle? One in which your identity is greater than what God has for you?
I agree with you. *God created us all - but not all the same!* Human sexuality is just one small part of the complexity of creation which we continue to learn about as we seek to understand what it means to love one another.
This is a colossal waste of time. The UMC is lost. The GMC is in critical condition regardless of the hype. Seminaries would be better off connecting directly to local churches for clergy recommendations and eliminate the emerging ineffective GMC altogether. While elites fight over who is going to be bishop in GMC a seminary can build direct relationships with local churches.
In the GMC, local churches ARE going to hire their own clergy. Bishops will NOT have the power of clergy appointment, and their candidacy WILL NOT be controlled by small, appointed committees like in the UMC. So yes, in the GMC seminaries CAN communicate directly with local churches, and bishops will NOT be determined by elites. It seems premature to say that a denomination is ineffective prior to its convening conference. All of the premises on which your arguments are based are either incorrect or yet to be established. You seem to be simply trolling, which may be normal in social media but seems weird in a church discussion.
@@hunker1982 so what happens if a gmc church ignores the recommendation of PE and hires someone not accepted by GMC? What happens if a gmc decides to remove a gmc elder 6 months after they are hired? Imagine moving across three states with your family into a toxic church without any other options. What if you speak to your presiding elder and they have no idea what they are doing. They don’t know anything about the church and are not interested in helping you deal with local church? Truth telling is attacked as trolling by those in denial
Yep. Logically, with its presumed new position on human sexual ethics, UMC should go the whole way and approve of polyamory and orgies. To not do so is arbitrarily discriminatory.
@@dalethomas5392 I didn't say polyamory and orgies. Polygyny and polyandry are cultural practices and a matter of survival for some families in Africa. Jesus was silent on polygamy and only took a dim view of re-marriage after divorce, yet many UMC pastors and bishops are actually divorced and remarried. Only in the disputed Pauline letters does it state that church leaders should be the "husband of *one wife."* Paul himself was probably asexual.
