Discovery Turbolift Caverns - Explained with Science/Math - (Disco S3) 

We need a petition to get people who actually have half a clue about trek on the writing staff

@@cantdestroyher7245 We're probably not going to get that 😂

I don't really bother about discovery turboshafts. Instead watching REAL ST now...

A petition is predicated on the assumption that the people receiving it actually care.

Or worse, what if the programmable matter gets hacked? Suddenly a wall appears. Or they flood the turbolift full of material and kill the person.

Its because it is totally inconsequential to the plot and the only people who give a shit are nitpicky nerds who fucking hate fun

@@buttface1202 Funny when I was a kid, part of the fun was reading Starship technical manuals and learning how the ship worked. It was all fake bullshit of course, but a lot of time and effort went into making these things FEEL real. I had Galaxy-class blueprints, reference manuals, cutaways, etc. But now we "hate fun" because we can't turn our brains off and just accept whatever brain dead, nonsensical CGI shit fest is hurled at us by a bunch of morons who never watched an episode of Star Trek in their life.

@@NihilusShadow I still have my notebook of Space: 1999 Moonbase Alpha blueprints.

@@buttface1202 No... the genre is SCIENCE fiction... there has to be some connection with reality, it has to be on some level believable... The turbo-lift scene wasn't "fun", it was plain and simply stupid.

I think JJ prise , is 2 or 3x bigger then the TOS enterprise , due to the timeline (Romulan ship ) they needed bigger ships.

Also why would you build your ships any bigger than a small car if your interior wasn't constrained by those limitations, just like the pod in ENT?

@@Blackmark7410 exactly. I always liked doctor who's Tardis for this is exactly where starships should evolve to. The Tardis has huge rooms but all serve a certain function which this strange room on Discovery lacks. I don't know make it the Dilicium Gas tank because the Delicium in that future is only stable in its gasous form and to compress it beyond a certain pressure makes it unstable so they use their future tech to make a huge tank. I don't know but just without explanation is just so not StarTrek to me. Usually we get at least a technobubble explanation for the things that make no sense to have in a Starship. you know like gigant blue glowing targets on your starship.

I wish they would have shown that compared to the Borg cube.

Good point, had forgotten that

With the same leprechaun and unicorn fired furnace (L&Uff) used to power the insanely energy expensive matter generator based turbolift system, they powered the giant high speed replicator used to churn out shuttle after shuttle used in that episode. The "spore drive" is actually powered by the bodies of sickly and dying L&Us, burnt up in a simaler L&Uff.

The USS Mary-Sue

Brilliant

Wonder if everyone was drunk and somebody said "Wouldn't it be great if".

I blame Star Trek V for this one.

If the STV scene was a misdemeanor, this is a major felony. And yeah, these guys just do stuff because they can.

@@nathand.9969 Happens a lot with Klutsman and co

Gives Spaceball 1 a run for its money.

It's made out of shit you know.!! ~ Admiral Vance s03e12

@@anduinlothar9906 Now... was he referring to the apple or the show itself?

I LIKE science!

I hate that the show is written by idiots and that line really drove it home.

"I'S THE POWER OF MATH, PEOPLE!! ~ Tilly" Oh for fuck's sake- really? X{ Even Wesley Crusher would cringe at a line like that!

unfortunately, this is not a new thing, USS Defiant NX-74025, the Klingon Bird of Prey HMS Bounty, Neg'vah, Delta Flyer, DS9 and even Enterprise NCC-1701-E in Insurrection, all had major inconsistencies in the size of the ship, when the writers of DS9 were asked why they never landed Defiant their response was something along the lines of "it can land?" despite them being clearly visible on the Master Systems Display no one from the art department had bothered mentioning to the writers that Defiant had landing gear, and then there's the highly inaccurate MSD in the first few episodes featuring Defiant (because they were shot before the design of the ship was finalized). Defiant had a maximum possible size of about 55m based on some shots and a minimum possible size of about 220m based on others, HMS Bounty seemingly grew to about 5 times its original size for the shot of it decloaking above a whaling ship, the Neg'Vah class went from about 400m long to about 3,000m long depending on the episode, Delta Flyer's interior did not fit inside the dimensions of the ships exterior, and the ships exterior was slightly wider than Voyagers shuttlebay door, DS9 was only 1km in diameter, yet there was plenty of space for a 600m long Galaxy class to dock inside the upper ring with a nebular class also docked, meaning it needed at least 1km inside the ring formed by the docking ports of the upper pylons, which means DS9 must grow to at least 3 times its origional size when any medium sized or bigger Federation ships are docked. NCC-1701-E changed sizes several times during the final battle in Insurrection unfortunately, this sort of thing is far from uncommon in Science Fiction, in Stargate SG1 and Stargate Atlantis when the BC304 Daedalus first showed up at the start of Atlantis season 2 its master systems display showed an X303 Prometheus class ship, and when Carter was looking at the design of Daedalus at the end of SG1 season 8 the schematics were of an X303 (although that could easily be explained as one of the small changes when SG1 messed with time later in the episode), but Daedalus, as shown in CGI, was a new class of ship, presumably they did not realize they would have time/money to create a completely new ship when filming the episodes. Star Wars, the Super class Star Destroyer Executor was originally said to be 8km (5 miles) long, then that was upped to 12km, and finally, Disney decided on 18km (11.25 miles), but that was 3 decades after the ship was first seen, they canonized the other sizes by saying those were officialy released figures from the Empire to shut down people criticizing the Empire building silly sized ships for roles the 1.6km Star Destroyer could do at far lower cost.

@@terryforsdyke306 This is true. But the difference is they are all believable on screen. For instance the Delta Flyer interior scaled down a bit can fit in the exterior of the flyer and works pretty well. Look at the scenes of the personnel working on the flyer. They are scaled to a believable size that the Flyer is big enough for that smaller rear compartment. So it works onscreen. But Discoverys Turbolift interior Is WAY OFF AND NOTICABLE. Another NON SCIFI EXAMPLE is the Brady Bunch house. No way it could fit in that exterior but it looked like it could and of course they really did put most of the sets in the real house exterior a couple years ago. Other examples. The Bewitched house and the Pondrorsa Ranch house. All Look like the interiors could fit but they really cant. The point is about believability. With small resealing most could work. Discovery would need to be resealed beyond a proportion that is unbelievable....

Nah he's doing somersaults, plenty of room in there his coffin's got space for a gymnasium

CBS is not sci-fi friendly....

It’s 1964, a man wakes as if startled... covered in sweat. A light comes on, camera pulls in tight , it’s Gene Roddenberry. He looks around, realizing there’s no spore drive, no giant space bears, no turbo lift roller coaster 🎢... “ it was all a dream, a terrible, horrible dream. I’m damn sure not putting any of that crap in my new TV show.”

Just delete Discovery. Here is the beauty of CBS pretending Canon does not exist, you can do the same with Disco.

Are you IUEC?

@@Scott__G Had to look that up, no just a nerd that likes to follow tech. So far TOS has inspired cell phones, the I-pad, open MRI's, Turbo lifts and Transparent Aluminum is now a real thing.

@@Allegheny500 O.K. Just wondering. If you would have just mentioned Otis, I wouldn’t have thought twice about it, everybody’s heard of Otis... but when you mentioned Thyssenkrupp, that got my attention. I’m retired IUEC, and I remember about 15 years ago Otis was working on a unit that could go horizontally, but as far as a true “turbo lift”, hadn’t heard anything on that. Going to have to do some research. Thanks for the heads up.

It almost ruined the show for me.

Unfortunately the only people they talk to are people who want to arse inane questions like which sex is one of the character and how this character the first black captain. They will never come and talk to people at trekyards who would ask questions about the ship and the storylines.

@@DavidKnowles0 Yep, and using Discovery as a platform for their agenda's is more important to them than actually employing actual lore and Trek writers.

I wouldn't call this video trying to make sense of the magic turbolifts.

Time Lord tech.....

Or that scene in Star Trek V where the Enterprise suddenly has like 70+ decks

I've looked into that scene when I made my Enterprise-E MSD and they never actually state what deck they are on when the fight breaks out, so it's possible that it's the top of a turboshaft or other access tube in the Engineering hull.

@@Suricarta Wherever it was, it’s still odd that there would be artificial gravity in an area like that just like std’s turbo caverns.

True, makes no sense they'd have artificial gravity turned on in the turboshaft area

It's almost like discovery is going down hill anyway, might as well used this scene as a template for jobs interview in case there lose their job just my guess//

I wouldn't hire anyone from the Discovery SFX department.

@@DavidKnowles0 but I thought you loved all that overuse of bokeh so you can't make out what's actually on screen.

Yeah, if the show wasn’t so freaking depressing and gory.

oh my, I fear Discovery producers might read your comment and actually turn it into a double episode

Got that notion right off the bat...thrown in last minute.

I can see turbo lifts still being in use incase of jamming

@Cendre Gaming exactly! Anyone who watches TREK knows that Starfleet would never be stupid enough to rely on transporter tech. Even by the 24th Century (TNG Era), ships cild I. Practice use sight to sight transporting on bord, but never did.

Indeed, while emotion isn't a bad thing to portray, the amount in here is cring worthy enough that you can skip forward 10, 20, 30 seconds, even a minute and they'll still be talking about emotions before anything actually happens Script: Discovery is under heavy bombardment from all sides Michael: "we have an idea" Tilly: "Then implement it" Bridge crew spends 2 minutes discussing it and talk about feelings Me: "They should have died 1 minute 30 seconds ago yet they are still talking and not doing anything"

This video is literally proof of what I just said. The fact that critics like the show overall is irrelevant.

For a current crew of 83 or 88 people, it makes no sense.

Honey we shrunk the Burnham.

The thought had crossed my mind :P

Tron

didn't one of the Kelvin movies also have a turbolift scene in this style? Been a while since I last rewatched them.

His initials are A K

Nah it was because they could travel along vertical and horizontal axises. The actual speed wasn't that fast according to the speed in ToS.