Episode 5 of Star Wars The Acolyte brought into canon something that was considered a very controversial lightsaber combat form. #StarWars #Disney #TheAcolyte
The audio clip was kinda to quite, couldn't hear it to much. But if he does use the technique it means he isn't a true sith, probably a sith wanna be. The Sith were mythical at this point, probably a believer
*Demolition* *Man* *(1993)* The way the Jedis are portrayed in The Acolyte are similar to the cops in Demolition Man. They’re soft and stupid. In Demolition Man, Los Angeles became safe. Hardly any major crimes. Sex happens with VR headsets. You get a fine for cursing. That’s what’s happening in the High Republic Era. Jedis have become soft and complacent which made them inept when handling criminals like a Sith. People should check out Demolition Man, it’s Stallone’s funniest movie and one of Snipes’ funniest movies up there with White Men Can’t Jump (1992). Simon Phoenix vs. the cops ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LQIRD57lls8.htmlsi=JxhuwJQgihxXEIKw Here’s The Acolyte’s Ep. 5’s stupid moment after stupid moment. - Jedis had several chances landing a fatal blow at Qimir but didn’t including Jecki aiming for the head as if Qimir is Thanos when she could’ve stabbed him through the back. Had to make the fight look more dramatic. Then another scene when Jecki saves Mae by jumping against a stone and we see Sol could’ve landed a blow from behind. Plot armor galore. - Osha does nothing mostly but stand there and watch. A team player. Then when she shoots Qimir once, she had to aim high where his helmet is. Didn’t notice Qimir was headbutting the lightsabers to short circuit them. - A lightsaber can’t penetrate through Cortosis but a female padawan’s elbow can break Smilo’s helmet as if it was made out of egg shells. - Osha prevents Sol from killing Qimir. Um, didn’t Osha leave the Jedi Order when she was 18? How did she all of a sudden become the chief of police and Sol has to listen to her? Didn’t she watch her friends in Jecki and Yord die? Why should she care what Sol does to Qimir if she no longer is a Jedi? - When Sol doesn’t kill Qimir, he watches Qimir pick up the lightsaber from the ground with the Force while Sol is ready to get slashed before Osha does her Pip thing which basically frees Qimir from any type of arrest. Where are the handcuffs to arrest these types of people? - Why does Osha drop the blaster on the ground? She shoots Mae with it and then we see Mae shoot Sol from the same area Osha shot Mae. Then Mae shoots Sol from behind. Um, didn’t Sol just save Mae from a lightsaber piercing right through her skull? Then she tells Osha that the Jedis are no good. A Jedi just saved her life only two minutes ago! 😂 - Mae decides to go Arryk Cargyll but without a Criston A-Hole telling her. But shouldn’t Sol see Mae’s witch markings and the burnt, smoky tips of her hair? So is Ep. 6 going to turn into The Parent Trap (1961/1998) where Sol is completely clueless that’s Mae? Will Bazil notify him that’s Mae? “We’re police officers. We’re not trained to handle that kind of violence.” - Erwin (Rob Schneider) in Demolition Man The official motto of the Uvalde, Texas police department and the Jedis during the High Republic Era.
Empire is the best of all 3, like Dante hicks said. It ends on a down note, just like real life, a series of down notes. Some may say blasphemy. Now I want to watch Episode III thanks to you lmao, for real and I will. Waiting for the postman to throw my 420 puff puff stuff in the mailbox and during the sesh I will watch Ep. III.
This is a clip where *I believe it was used.* But it was mentioned nowhere. Nor was it acknowledged on the wiki pages or by LucasFilm themselves. - Charlie
@@EcksClips Should also note Merrick is neither Sith or Jedi. We don't know if Merrick was a fallen Jedi taken in or one found and trained. Either way they aren't trained very specifically in Jedi or Sith trainings. Which means he could have used it. Or he just randomly turned his lightsaber on and off in combat because his blade was still extended during that moment. My guess is he is a former Jedi padawan since he was seen during a period in which they were scooping them up. He knows about it and used that technique in combat. In the end it didn't help him all that much. Jedi: He's a traitor using techniques he shouldn't. Sith: He's a bitch. Never was a Sith to begin with. Qimir is questionable too. Is he Sith? The way he phrased it was you would call me a Sith. Not I am Sith. He doesn't actually say he is one. If you're one. Then he wouldn't outright say he is one. First he's force trained with a lightsaber. So keeping the secret is more important than not. So he would never outright say he is one or shouldn't. If he is a Sith then he is very shitty master or a very shitty apprentice. If he isn't Sith or Jedi Qimir will not have qualms about using something each order doesn't like. If he is one. He's a lot more not caring about the secret and ways of either order. I get not caring for what the Jedi think. What the Sith thinks. If he is the Master he's not caring. If he isn't his master finds out that is a sign of weakness and weakness can't be tolerated.
@@EcksClipsAcolite episode 5 is the best star wars thing I have ever seen. These fights and choreography surpassed both the Phantom Menace movie and the clone wars episode.
its also funny that one of the other jedi in the group died with a single stab to the chest too. It requires multiple stabs unless they are not important to the plot, or if the plot requires it
@@thanatoes537tbh...doesnt he also even like slice them too after? I swear I saw like he stabbed blocked another but also slicing the dude who was stabbed. Of course yeah your point still stands too even if they do the best to get in multiple hits. You need to just think "hey the story is: he kills them." 😂 aka no matter the wounds you dead.
You can't do that that is dishonorable *mind fucks a POW's mind* An elegant weapon from a more civilized age *literally dismembers a child* Blasters a brutes weapon *does a no scope with a sniper rifle and hits*
More like a şis kebab lmao, kebabs are essentially made the same way as McDonalds burgers with the same goo-like substance but on the other hand a şis kebab are pieces of heavily marinated pieces of meat, on hot coals like a BBQ. I run a Döner kebab place called Ali Baba's and I hope I gave you some knowledge/lore on the world of Kebab making. Chicken döner kebab and chicken dürum kebab are much better quality these days. And than you've got chicken şis kebab that's grilled chickenbreast. Unless you marinate the beef yourself and make the kebab spinning rod freshly by yourself like this stranger did to the Jedi, freshly made instead of the frozen mcdo quality deliveries that other kebab joints get. *not an ad*.
It shouldn't be controversial at all. However the orders have rules. He broke them. Which leads to more questions. Why if he is a Sith did he show such weakness to the enemy? If he is a master he doesn't care for the rules of the Sith either. Okay he doesn't care but that needs to be explained which I'm sure they'll get to. If he is the apprentice then his master finds out. He is showing weakness to the enemy. Which might be a reason for the master to show up and get rid of him.
Yeah, even common Star Wars fans know this. Shit like this is why these "stan" accounts are bullshit. They just want views without knowing basic facts about the fandom they cater to.
When? I’ve played through Fallen Order’s story four times and don’t remember that ever happening. And the only instance in Survivor I can remember is when he disguised himself as Santari to get close enough to stab Dagan.
Shit man I’d say desperate times call for desperate measures but this is also the same dude groaning about the order being gone so clearly he’s just being a hypocrite. Typical Jedi shit I guess
Reminds me of how different are the old Sith compared to the Rule of Two Sith. It’s founder, Darth Bane, once fought another Sith called Qordis. Bane was far more powerful, and Qordis knew it, so he decided to challenge Bane to a lightsaber duel. I don’t remember the exact words he used, but he told Bane something like: “at least allow me to die with honor”. Bane then used his force powers to crush his body, and concluded that Honor was a shield the weak used to slow down the strong. Makes sense that the Sith Lords that followed valued manipulation, deception and cunning: culminating in Darth Sidious as we all know.
If it is indeed Trakata, I would've liked to see more of him switching his saber on and off in the one on one versus Sol, at least. The whole second saber thing barely justifies an actual use of the style or "getting into the head of the opponent". His Cortosis armor did that a lot more.
I have only heard of it once before but it's controversial in Star Wars universe as said both Jedi and Sith dislike the use of Trakataa yet here we see Qimir doing just that. To the Jedi, the use of Trakataa is dishonorable while to the Sith, it's considered a weakness. I actually find it funny both Jedi and Sith have different ideologies yet they both agree Trakataa is a style of fighting that must never be used. Then there is of course Cal Kestis who used it once to survive and Qimir calls himself a Sith but again it's self-proclaimed and he's already shown to be a dirty fighter.
Where has this ever been denounced in canon? I've never seen Jedi or Sith do so. It doesn't make sense for Sith to even care about "cowardice" they're in hiding the whole time
@@user-ze3sg6ix1u Not in canon but in lore within legends where both sides do not enjoy let alone approve of the use of Trakataa. I guess it's like an unsung rule among lightsaber wielders. I truthfully don't know the specifics. I imagine it's because cowardice would mean fearing your opponent and instead you yourself are afraid of losing and as such Sith whose ideology is to make foes fear them is why Trakataa is considered a technique that makes you look weak and that is something the Sith do not tolerate.
@@Juel92 This just shows Sith and Jedi are merely both sides of the same coin. Jedi has a sense of honor among them and Sith carry a strong sense of pride. Admittedly it is stupid but most Sith are so full of themselves and how powerful they are that such techniques are simply beneath them.
@@VanishEclipse4867 I could see them not using it as long as they felt they had the advantage to show off. I could not see them losing a fight over it though.
Man, the death of Jecki was really, really cruel. being impalled by a lightsaber must feel the worst thing in the world. 3 times. and it wasn't even necessary. it was just for cruelty. this came from the same people that in kenobi turned LS into a plastic bat that bounces into people instead of cutting. wtf.
While this does sound kind of useful, when you think about some of the people we have seen fighting with a saber, turning off your blade seems like a death sentence, as faster opponents like Yoda and Anakin would turn you into mince meat as soon as you lose the defense.
People saying turning off your lightsaber mid combat is OP have never been in a real lightsaber fight. Turning it off leaves you exposed and it’s not hard to track where the blade would be and move out the way or block when it’s about to be turned on. Especially as a Jedi. And doing this with two is no different as you are weaker with the force holding two blade compared to someone who can and you are weaker in strength having to split your strength between two blades where a one handed user can force the blade physically in your face
I would like to propose the consideration that, even though the intention of the scene on the part of the creative team was to show Qimir using trakata with his shoto blade to kill Jecki, what the scene shows us, visually speaking, is not that, but the sith quickly thrust into her with a reverse grip. Now I know, pointing out such a tiny discrepancy like this may seem like a huge waste of effort and brain power, but we're Star Wars fans, so you understand the feeling. I recommend that after each observation, you watch the video again in slow motion to confirm my statements. First, let's notice that Qimir's left arm, which holds the blade used in the attack, makes very abrupt movements with each stab of the lightsaber. It is a movement that indicates traditional handling of the blade, where he retracts and pushes his arm quickly, because if we consider that he simply deactivated and reactivated the blade, he would merely need to reposition his fist with each thrust, which does not appear to have happened. Additionally, notice the way the sith positions each of his sabers. the longest in a horizontal block, protecting him from Jecki's attack while the second carries out the blow. Note that this positioning causes the light from the long saber to fall on the padawan's face and shoulders, while that of the shoto illuminates their torsos and the sleeves of her robe. The red light on her and Qimir's torso is never dimmed. The saber is not turned off. And finally, let's pay attention to the scene beats that make up this final part of the duel. There is the moment when Qimir steps back, detaches the shoto blade from his main saber and activates its blade (we can not only see the saber emission, but also hear its traditional activation sound). Jacki charges forward, screaming and preparing her blow. Qimir blocks her strike and immediately (note that there is no sound of deactivation) he stabs her 3 times. Sol screams. We move to a closeup of Jacki in her last moments of life. And then we see (and HEAR) HER saber deactivate. She falls, revealing the blade that went through her torso, still attached. These three observations indicate that what we are shown on screen is not a demonstration of the use of Trakata, but rather an intelligent and strategic use of a shoto saber, which with 3 quick thrusts killed a prodigious padawan learner. I know that the official Star Wars website ATTESTS that Qimir used Trakata in his fight against the Jedi. However, this is not what we can observe objectively in this scene. Perhaps the light is a result of using a practice saber during recording. Perhaps the light was not removed from the plate when it should have accompanied the supposed deactivation and reactivation of the saber. Perhaps the extended movement of Qimir's arm is the result of the actor's involuntary action, who was not aware of the details of how the scene would take place. Anyway, this is what I have to point out. Thanks for listening.
I want to see more of the trakata style. It can look really good in the hands of capable choreographers and effects artists. But it can also look clunky and predicable if not planned out properly. I'm of the opinion that it was used in this scene, and I think they utilized it very well.
He's not a fan doesn't know his shit tried to say something got it wrong. Well he's not a fan so fucking what. I'm so tired of this people need toknow no no they fucking don't they don't need to know shit. If the story is good it's good if it is bad it's bad. That simple. Andor was made by someone who doesn't even like Star Wars and it was good.
@@jasondiend4248 Well you are right, a good actor can know nothing about the universe he plays in, but if he doesnt know he should have learn to shut up.
@@mrafk5658 perhaps i mean the other actors gave him a weird look, but in all seriousness it seems he did watch star wars, it seems he confused a lucrehulk for the death star
@@jasondiend4248 Him not being a fan and being unfamiliar is fine. The problem was him trying to come off as "deep" and pretending to know far more than he actually did and when someone does that, then they deserved to be called out on it. Also it's not hard to at the very least look up the synopsis of stuff of wikipedia if you want to do that to at least get the facts of the main plot points.
Trakata only seems to make sense because people think the choreographed moves we see in the big screen is how Jedi and Sith would fight in universe. It's like saying there's a forbidden technique in wrestling called "attack your opponent when he is not prepared" that nobody uses because it's considered unsportmanlike in universe.
For the character it makes sense. His entire reason for the way he is, is he doesn't like rules. That being reflected in his fight style is pretty cool
I like the way they used that form. It's actually useful when they block the attack with their normal lightsaber and then use that small peice, unlike turning off your main lightsaber
It’s just not Star Wars. Star Wars is the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker; he is the main character of the whole franchise. So anything that tries to disrespect or diminish him or his novelty as the Chosen One is not canon, period.
I wish Sol could use precognition to read when he’d use Trakata. As a martial artist I never understood why the Jedi and Sith were so self limiting with their Force abilities in combat (not including the part where sabotaging another Force user’s stance is easier said than done)
When they say ignore rules of combat keep in mind jedi use the force for knowledge and defence, not attack. They arent used to seeing Juyo and even inquisitors had to have that style beaten into them
Kylo is a fallen Jedi so he won't follow the Jedi orders rules. Kylo also isn't a Sith so he isn't held to dogmatic beliefs. A technique is that based on a rule of school. Doing it randomly is a tactic. Kylo would be the most apt exmaple but i hardly remember that film. So yeah wasn't it with the red troopers guards. Rey throws the saber to him and he turns it off and on to kill one of them. That doesn't seem so much like a technique then a spur of a moment tactic adjustment. Plus was the saber ignited when it was thrown to him? God you're gonna make me watch that scene now. Okay I watched it. Kylo doesn't actually use that. Rey turns the lightsaber off and throws it to Kylo who ignites it into the guards face. Then he turns it off but the guards are dead. Though while I didn't want to watch that scene. I did catch something I never noticed before watching it. Kylo throws one of the guards into a hole and his body parts just spray out. I a good laugh at that shit.
I hate the idea of it being called a style or form of combat. It's a tactic that anyone can use if an opportunity presents itself. It's literally just turning your lightsaber off and on at critical moments. Even the example given in Acolyte is just a tactic that anyone with 2 lightsaber could do. The idea it would be frowned on for any reason is asinine. Jedi don't fight for sport. Honor isn't a thing they would bother with, and they're not naive enough to worry about fighting fair. If a Jedi is forced to fight, they neutralize the threat as quickly and efficiently as possible. Sith, meanwhile, they do whatever they deem necessary to win. Only oddities among Jedi and Sith would complain about using such a basic tactic. The Jedi Path book even recommends it as a move Jedi Knights SHOULD study.
Agreed. Feels like they tried to fix a problem but did it in a horrible way (would have been way better if lightsabers just had a cooldown period for turning on and off).
I thought that was awesome. It’s one of my favorite lightsaber techniques although I did come up with a hypothetical move in my head that they have never used yet it involves a blaster and turning your lightsaber off before hitting another blade and quick drawing a blaster your opponent is gonna think they’re gonna block a strike, but no, they’re gonna get hit with a bunch of blaster bolts lol
Cal Kestis used Trakata vs the second sister in Jedi - Fallen order, which is also considered canon. So stating that this is the first time this move appeared in canon is not true.
I don't give a *damn* whether or not it's "unsportsmanlike". Victory and pragmatism matter more nowadays... and besides, the casuals and kids, for lack of better terms, will love the originality and subversions to tired methodologies in any conflict.
I think he also used it when he killed two of the red shirt Jedi around the beginning of the fight. When he’s about to do the Sith-kabob, one of the Jedi swings up at him and there’s the sound of him deactivating his saber to make her miss before spinning back around with it on and stabbing her. It’s quick but it’s there.
Bro 😮 They literally watched that one Anakin/Obi-Wan comedy training skit on RU-vid where Anakin keeps screwing with Obi-Gone and turning his lightsaber off, and said “yeah! Add that to the show!”
There is something I do wonder. I really don't understand the move mostly because if a lightsaber is powered through the crystal and resonates with the Force-user - wouldn't that technically break off their mental and physical connection for a short moment before reigniting it?
"But it was likely just him trying to get into Saul's head to make him unfocused in battle..." You say that like it's not the whole *point* of Dun Moch. Which it is.
"and sith for it's cowardice" Sith should be sneaky cowards when the chips are down. The idea that sith would eschew something useful and powerful because it's "cowardly" seems totally regarded.
There might be an exception to this when using two sabers or a double sided saber. In both instances, Qimir and Merrik, either the original blade or the other half is still fully extended.
Trakata was used by Cal kestis in bogano against the 2nd sister or whenever he uses the switch and split saber combo, the bedlum raider lieutenants with saber staffs also use the style on Cal.
Considering this Sith is the only one left and is looking for an apprentice, it makes sense he would use every advantage he has. If he dies all the knowledge goes with him. That’s if he is the only Sith and not an apprentice looking to find a pupil of his own before killing his master.
But to be fiar it's highly risky as sabers have a slow on off cycle so instead of being like a bayonate it's more like trowing you magazine at the opnet then shoting it.
@@ev17danI think he was referring to the diminishing of Anakin’s conception through the Force because now Mae and Osha are confirmed to have been created the same way, which means there were almost definitely others. Also the idea that Ki-Adi Mundi was not only born 40 years before his pre established birth date, but also knew about dark side Force users and still claimed that the Sith had been extinct for a millennia.
@@Rhyciz how can you be so wrong about something yet so confident, Anakin was created from the force because darth Plagus tried to create life using the force, the series is not over yet, and we have only seen the story from Osha and Mae's point of view, we have yet to see the story from the Jedi point of view, and myguess is they were sent there to kill the witches, unless you somehow think that little lamp Mae dropped caught an entire bunker on fire.....
@@ev17dan Then let's take another angle of the 3rd episode. Disregarding everything Osha didn't perceive Mae still tried to kill atleast her. Why does Mae have positive feelings for Osha years after those events when she is on her own personal revenge quest to kill the Jedi allegedly responsible for the death of the coven. She isn't sorry or apologetic in the slightest, which would be the natural conclusion of Mae having guilt about setting Osha's surroundings aflame. Mae's flip-flopping is so absurd to the viewer at this point that it detracts from her character, same as her just letting Osha back on the planet alone in an freaking jungle is even detrimental to her own goal of staying reunited with her (unless she already decided she doesn't want to do that until later again) and requires meta knowledge of somebody will surely find and safe her. Why again would she do that when she does not know the outcome of the fight between the Jedi and Qimir? Almost all of her actions are not in character for the viewer at this point, all of them. Bonus point: Osha goes from not wanting to be further involved with capturing Mae to agreeing to go literally one scene later. Or how she directly shines her droid flashlight into the creatures and not a single one cares, but the instant Qimir has the disco droid ball on his back they are frenziedly attacking him, not to mention that not a single lightsaber attracted their attention. The show is mediocre at best objectively (not saying you can't find subjective enjoyment) and this is the worst thing you can do when you have all the money in the world. This tantamounts to the show being trash, which is in line with Kenobi, BoBF and the 3rd season of Mandalorian who all make the same error of underdelivering in an enviroment where they shouldn't.
@Rhyciz Ki-adi stating the Sith have been extinct for a Melania, as he sits in a meeting with Palpatine, yea you have done some heavy lifting with that brain of yours
Was wondering about that. Qimir kept igniting and turning off the lightsaber often during the fight so was wondering if it was a stance he was used to.
I’m personally all for characters having a fluid interpretation on what fair fighting is, especially if they’re a villain. I always regarded Maul’s hilt bash on Qui-Gon to be a dirty move, but perfectly in character. If Dooku had done it, it wouldn’t feel right because he’s more of a gentleman duelist, but meanwhile Grievous is a notorious cheater. Vader may not cheat, but I’d hardly call him sporting, and there’s nothing really “fair” about Kylo Ren’s little cross guard.
