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Disney/Lucasfilm, maybe it's finally time to hear out the fans disappointed with Star Wars 

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@YegRon
@YegRon 3 месяца назад
No, I really think the strategy of calling their fans bigots, ists and phobes is working.
@pufffincrazy5275
@pufffincrazy5275 3 месяца назад
I think that many people over emphasize the importance of identity politics in why shows like this fail. That’s certainly a large factor, but it would be ignored for the most part, if the show was actually good, was consistent with lore, or was anything but irredeemable corporate sludge.
@Elerad
@Elerad 3 месяца назад
It is. They're appealing to the people they want, and the normies don't hear that or don't care about it
@Thed538dhsk
@Thed538dhsk 3 месяца назад
But are the bigots, its, and phones even fans? Doesn't star wars teach everyone not to turn to evil but embrace good?
@YegRon
@YegRon 3 месяца назад
@@pufffincrazy5275It’s just an excuse for the creatives. They write terrible stories and then when people react accordingly they pull out the race card. Or the misogyny card. But their argument has never held water. Most OG fans loved Lando and Leia. The most liked Disney Star Wars movie has been Rogue One and it had a very diverse cast. The most beloved D+ show has been Andor, and it was even more diverse. Fans don’t care about diversity. Fans get upset when quality is sacrificed on the altar of diversity.
@YegRon
@YegRon 3 месяца назад
@@Thed538dhsk You missed my point entirely. I’m referring to Lucasfilm claiming all criticisms is because people are hateful, not because they’re putting out bad stories with poor dialogue and characters that few can relate to.
@Steel-101
@Steel-101 3 месяца назад
“Lucas-film maybe it’s finally time to listen to the fans”. At this point man, we all know they’ll never listen to us or any legitimate writer lol 😂. They’re stubborn/foolish. They’ve proven that multiple times. Nothing can fix the Disney timeline now.
@Thed538dhsk
@Thed538dhsk 3 месяца назад
What do the fans want to tell Disney? What if Disney made everything in the last few years non-canon like multiverse stories like visions?
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 3 месяца назад
Yes they can.
@codymacaulay1435
@codymacaulay1435 3 месяца назад
@achaudhari101 So you agree that it is broken then?
@glint6070
@glint6070 3 месяца назад
@@codymacaulay1435 Personally I agree that it's broken, but I don't agree that it can't be it fixed. This reminds me of how dictatorships thrive - by making everyone accept that "this is just how things are" Star Wars can absolutely be fixed, so long as the people currently in charge are kicked out since they are clearly incompetent
@YegRon
@YegRon 3 месяца назад
@@glint6070I’m with you. I think it will be fixed at some point too, because at some point Disney is going to get sick of hemorrhaging money. But it will require doing what Marvel just did - firing the activists and bringing in talented writers.
@animusadvertere3371
@animusadvertere3371 3 месяца назад
It's not Star Wars. It's not even entertainment.
@gospelfreak5828
@gospelfreak5828 3 месяца назад
It is Star Wars and entertainment
@pufffincrazy5275
@pufffincrazy5275 3 месяца назад
@@gospelfreak5828 It’s garbage. If I was in charge of Lucasfilm, all of Disney Star Wars (save for Rogue One and Andor) gets axed immediately do not pass go and do not collect $200, get the hell out of our franchise.
@rickj7330
@rickj7330 3 месяца назад
its really bad cosplay ...
@gospelfreak5828
@gospelfreak5828 3 месяца назад
@@pufffincrazy5275 You’re wrong. Rogue One, Solo, Rebels, Andor, Mandos seasons 1 and 2, The Last Jedi, Tales of the Jedi/Empire, Bad Batch, and this show are good/great Disney content that has come out. The canon Thrawn books are really great as well. The rest has been bleh. But Disney has had good stuff as well. It’s not all bad. It’s a matter of chewing the meat, spitting out the bones
@zigurdur92
@zigurdur92 3 месяца назад
@@pufffincrazy5275try first making a billion dollars cash cow like Sequels films & likable show like Mandalorian,
@jibril2473
@jibril2473 3 месяца назад
The power of one bad writer The power of two bad writers The power of manyyyy bad writers 😆
@robthecollector8905
@robthecollector8905 3 месяца назад
Have you seen the entire season yet? Or are you just jumping on the hate bandwagon like most people because it's cool and trendy? Why do you watch something you consider to be bad? Do you not understand that just proves that you're feeble minded?
@FoxHoundUnit90
@FoxHoundUnit90 3 месяца назад
@@robthecollector8905dude, you are all over this comment section arguing with people. You’re no better than you accuse them of being. Grow up.
@jibril2473
@jibril2473 3 месяца назад
@@robthecollector8905 I watched all three episodes from an unbiased standpoint. The story, the setup, the characters and the setting are all sub par at best.
@robthecollector8905
@robthecollector8905 3 месяца назад
@@jibril2473 Just saying they are subpar doesn't prove anything. Tell me why they are subpar. You already said it was bad in your opinion in your first comment. Feeble minded.
@robthecollector8905
@robthecollector8905 3 месяца назад
@@jibril2473 Also, how can you tell if the story is written poorly when you haven't seen the entire story yet? Feeble minded.
@joshuakolton9955
@joshuakolton9955 3 месяца назад
Coming from someone who hasn’t seen the show: from what I’ve heard it’s not even worth pirating.
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 3 месяца назад
Sounds stupid regardless to pirate it.
@SylvanasWindrunnerResurrected
@SylvanasWindrunnerResurrected 3 месяца назад
Its not good but its definitely worth watching for the fight scenes and that cute red eared slider turtle girl
@Tony_409
@Tony_409 3 месяца назад
Not worth pirating, it’s just tarnishing the image of the Jedi and retconning Anakin’s uniqueness
@Bayard1503
@Bayard1503 3 месяца назад
Maybe but it's not that bad... I think it's superior to Boba Fett on every level. That's not saying much but it's definitely watchable and we still don't know the story and how the Sith count in it. It's definitely a disappointment so far.
@chiquita683
@chiquita683 3 месяца назад
​@@achaudhari101🤡
@mikeblom8897
@mikeblom8897 3 месяца назад
We’ve gone from “I’m a Jedi. Like my father before me” To “I’m a witch and we don’t believe in fire extinguishers. Durrrrr”
@kylebolt1951
@kylebolt1951 3 месяца назад
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 killed me
@musiciansnight
@musiciansnight 3 месяца назад
Ummm… I think you mean a communist lesbian witch…
@travisgames6608
@travisgames6608 3 месяца назад
Well.. It seemed like they were killed by something/someone else.
@wackywarrior001
@wackywarrior001 3 месяца назад
At this point it’s such a tangled mess , there is no way to save the story , at best you can salvage it from being a total dump fire . The next few episode would have to amazing , and honestly if they were , you would probably skip these three and start on 4 . But do we really see that happening ?
@tommymaxey2665
@tommymaxey2665 3 месяца назад
Fire extinguishers are a man's invention and men are the worse. So we shall never use a fire extinguishers
@Hanoua2
@Hanoua2 3 месяца назад
I think as long as Kathleen Kennedy is in charge, nothing will change. I think the South Park only made her more salty
@DaNinja60
@DaNinja60 3 месяца назад
I'm still laughing that The Star Wars Christmas Special is highly rated in comparison to this train wreck. 😂😂
@SourceofDreams18SDAK
@SourceofDreams18SDAK 3 месяца назад
Not really. I'm sure there are factors to consider about the amount of people reviewing as well as considering possibility of review bombing. Heck, the holiday special has both critics and audiences giving it a negative score so I wouldnt take seriously the idea that somehow the acolyte was worse than the holiday special.
@cooperstephens147
@cooperstephens147 3 месяца назад
It wouldn’t be a Thor Skywalker video if it didn’t start with the word “Now.”
@Tobris
@Tobris 3 месяца назад
I used to love Star Wars, I used to love finding out there was a new game or a new book coming out. I'm one of the only people I know who played Gungan Frontiers. But I don't care about Star Wars anymore. I didn't watch a single trailer for The Acolyte, I didn't watch a single episode. I don't know, nor do I care what the show is about. Star Wars lost me when they decided that nothing mattered. Lore didn't matter, sacrifices and lost lives didn't matter, wounds from weapons, the void of space. None of it mattered. Star Wars just feels like Marvel with different paint. And that's not a knock on Marvel, Comics are different, those are SUPER Heroes. Star Wars was just supposed to be Heroes, and the Hero's Journey. And sometimes heroes lose, and sometimes they lose enough to die. Sometimes the bad guy wins and new heroes need to arise. Many heroes need to undertake their own journeys. And we see the same heroes over and over again being "developed" into superheroes instead of being the humble, vulnerable, flawed but heroic characters we came to know and love.
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 3 месяца назад
Yet you’re here playing the victim despite the fact that it comes off as being narcissistic and also wrong.
@saberiandream316
@saberiandream316 3 месяца назад
Star Wars was also history and mythology, but they threw that out ten years ago. It doesn't exist to them except what parts they can chop off the EU's corpse to parade around and pretend it's a huge "comeback" despite changing the context. This is the level of idiocy they want in their customers.
@Deuteromis
@Deuteromis 3 месяца назад
@@achaudhari101 What are you talking about? He's right, Disney Star Wars for the most part doesn't feel like Star Wars anymore because of how poorly Disney has been handling the franchise.
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 3 месяца назад
@@Deuteromis That’s just a pedantic complaint that has no basis for anything. How does it not look or feel like Star Wars exactly? It’s such a baseless statement that is so vague that not even the people using it would have any idea on what is or isn’t Star Wars.
@BiggieTrismegistus
@BiggieTrismegistus 3 месяца назад
​@@achaudhari101Wait. Who is playing the victim? I don't think you know what "playing the victim" means.
@kennyholmes5196
@kennyholmes5196 3 месяца назад
And so my apathy towards Star Wars is complete. I have seen Disney mess up so much that I don't really care about anything they put out any more. I'm more interested in other peoples' responses to what is made than I am what Disney makes themselves. It will take consistent good releases to pull me back in, and Disney evidently does not care to do that.
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 3 месяца назад
Your apathy means nothing and comes off as acting like a cuck or in this case an “Acolyte” to fulfill Kennedy’s wish for SW.
@kyleerickson4741
@kyleerickson4741 3 месяца назад
I’ve been going through Better Call Saul again with a friend of mine, and when I watch it, I can feel the care and the meticulous work everyone put into the show. I’m not comparing genres, so don’t try and say it isn’t fair to compare them. My point (which goes in line with what you said with fans having high expectations) is that I want that level of care to go into a Star Wars project. I want it to be great. And Disney has all the resources it needs to hire people and give them the time to make something truly amazing. And what we’ve gotten has ranged to… pretty good to bad. I find Mandalorian to be decent enough and Andor to be good (though not the masterpiece that everyone else has said; I should watch it again) but other then that, nothing has impressed me that much or I’ve avoided on purpose. There are also the comparisons that people made to Dune II, which is a more than fair comparison. Denis Villeneuve has said he’s always wanted to adapt Dune, and that passion comes through clearly; including his respect for Frank Herbert. I don’t feel that with many of these Star Wars projects. Star Wars can be great. But it often isn’t. Get rid of the activists writers, stop trying to make it a girl brand, and stop blindly accusing everyone who shows dissent with being something horrible. The EU, despite its continuity issues, at least feels like they were stories made with love.
@Thed538dhsk
@Thed538dhsk 3 месяца назад
It's unfair to compare Dune 2 to a star wars Disney + show. Dune 2 is a film. It's fair to compare Dune 2 to a star wars film. But not a star wars Disney + show since a streaming 8 EP series is so different to a film. And if a star wars film makes as much as dune 2 did, Disney would freak out. Look what happened to solo.
@kyleerickson4741
@kyleerickson4741 3 месяца назад
@@Thed538dhsk It is a fair comparison in the sense that I want to see the level of care and planning put into Dune II to be applied to Star Wars. Or I’ll say it another way. Does anyone really expect the Rey film or The Mandalorian film to be as impressive as the Dune films? Because I don’t. At all. I don’t want to feel that way, but I just don’t see that happening. And if you’re trying to say I shouldn’t compare based on budgets, that also isn’t a great argument. Godzilla Minus One (again as he mentions) was cheap by budget standards and looks great. Or even The Creator, while not the greatest story, had wonderful production value and came in around $80 million I believe. And my point with TV shows like Better Call Saul stands. It’s said that characters are only as smart as the writers who create them are. And after watching Ahsoka… there are plenty of people who would write circles around them. This also goes for Rings of Power. $1 billion dollars right? Well, that definitely didn’t go into planning and writing. These things matter, and I don’t want to bother with 4, 5, or 6 out of 10 shows over and over when Disney should be capable of making 8, 9, and even 10/10 shows.
@BiggieTrismegistus
@BiggieTrismegistus 3 месяца назад
​@@Thed538dhsk🤦🏻‍♂️ Wow, did you badly miss the point with the Dune 2 comparison.
@c7042
@c7042 3 месяца назад
From being almost universally loved in 1977 to almost universally hated in 2024 tells me that something has changed at least.
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 3 месяца назад
Not universally hated as it was that way even during the Prequels. Some of this hatred is overblown.
@vetarlittorf1807
@vetarlittorf1807 3 месяца назад
@@achaudhari101 Nope. Star Wars has never been as hated as it is now.
@elck3
@elck3 3 месяца назад
@@achaudhari101 It most definitely wasn't this bad during the Prequels.
@VAULT-TEC_INC.
@VAULT-TEC_INC. 3 месяца назад
@@elck3You must not have remembered message boards during the prequels then. It was BAD. It basically drove Lucas to get out of making movies and sell off Star Wars.
@SecondBreakfastAndThreeH-zo3jp
@SecondBreakfastAndThreeH-zo3jp 3 месяца назад
@achaudhari101 is as delusional as Dylan Mulvaney. Block this shill from this channel already. Just like all of the characters in The Acolyte, he obviously grew up without a Father figure.🥴🐑
@FabuBrik
@FabuBrik 3 месяца назад
What makes you, me or anyone else think that "yeah they'll start listening now"? They've made it pretty clear, they'll double down at all costs.
@saberiandream316
@saberiandream316 3 месяца назад
Maybe with the right personnel change, but that's a LONG time in coming, sadly. Kennedy ain't leaving this year, she's probably not leaving till the day she dies, unfortunately. And Iger... who knows when the fuck Iger is going?
@CrazyxEnigma
@CrazyxEnigma 3 месяца назад
Only chance is KK leaving and that's assuming some toady of hers doesn't succeed her.
@MisterAlerion
@MisterAlerion 3 месяца назад
It's all about Satanism in the end, programming children with The Message. It's not about making money
@pure-blood17
@pure-blood17 3 месяца назад
They pretty much are on Octuple down at this point.
@chriswirth909
@chriswirth909 3 месяца назад
Because if we stop critiquing they win
@WalterUnglaub
@WalterUnglaub 3 месяца назад
"It's not about money. It's about sending a message." ~some enlightened Disney executive (probably)
@Thed538dhsk
@Thed538dhsk 3 месяца назад
Why would that be a Disney exec instead of a WB exec?
@noahheninger
@noahheninger 3 месяца назад
At least George Lucas tried to course correct when people complained about the prequels. Disney just doubles down.
@danieldiaz9948
@danieldiaz9948 3 месяца назад
There’s nothing that exemplifies the woke culture at Disney and in the greater population than mae showing up uninvited, saying, “attack me, with all your strength”, presumably to show that Mae is the victim or something? …and then 100% of the time she lashes out first anyway, lol. Clearly Mae is supposed to be an empathetic figure for the audience because…reasons.
@Thed538dhsk
@Thed538dhsk 3 месяца назад
@@danieldiaz9948 isn't mae the antagonist? Isn't OSHA the protagonist?
@doomsdayrabbit4398
@doomsdayrabbit4398 3 месяца назад
The executives *are* trying to send a message: "the woke left is crazy, vote for Trump!" They would LOVE a second Trump term, or any other Republican, because Republicans give rich people like Disney executives huge tax breaks! I'm surprised more Star Wars fans aren't catching on to this. It's *literally* the plot of the prequels! The left is not your enemy! You're being lied to!
@zacharyclark3693
@zacharyclark3693 3 месяца назад
There are people so angry that it doesn’t matter what Lucasfilm does. Even before it comes out they already hate it. They’re going to hate it because Lucasfilm not only ignores them, but allows its employees to mock fans and call them horrible people for not liking their products. The PR move of ignoring criticism and blaming customers dissatisfaction with -isms has not worked, and only made things worse.
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 3 месяца назад
Why would I listen to defeatists or people that want them to go bankrupt?
@Thed538dhsk
@Thed538dhsk 3 месяца назад
How can fans of the Jedi hate when hate is against the Jedi teachings? When did Lucasfilm call fans these names?
@Valen-mh9fh
@Valen-mh9fh 3 месяца назад
​@@Thed538dhsk hahaha, nice try bud 😂
@Valen-mh9fh
@Valen-mh9fh 3 месяца назад
It's a bold strategy Cotton... 😂
@kennyholmes5196
@kennyholmes5196 3 месяца назад
And from the bad writing, those who don't hate it pre-emptively are just purely apathetic towards it now.
@YegRon
@YegRon 3 месяца назад
On the bright side, nothing has united the fan base like The Acolyte in a very long time.
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 3 месяца назад
In being brain damaged, yes.
@Thed538dhsk
@Thed538dhsk 3 месяца назад
How has the acolyte united the fan base? There are still fans who like it. I think the first season of mandolorian united the fan base the most since force awakens
@YegRon
@YegRon 3 месяца назад
@@achaudhari101Frankly, I’d rather have brain damage than be as rude to people I’ve never met as you are.
@YegRon
@YegRon 3 месяца назад
@@Thed538dhskBecause the large majority of fans agree that it’s bad.
@YegRon
@YegRon 3 месяца назад
@@achaudhari101 Id rather have that than be as rude to others as you are.
@DarthDevorin
@DarthDevorin 3 месяца назад
We could have gotten a Darth Plagueis adaptation. But instead we got lesbian sea horse witches.
@Hello-bi1pm
@Hello-bi1pm 3 месяца назад
We never had adaptatios, so it wasn't going to happen
@saberiandream316
@saberiandream316 3 месяца назад
I'm glad we're not getting adaptations, Filoni especially I fear couldn't resist the childish urge to change lore on a whim to feed his ego.
@donkeysaurusrex7881
@donkeysaurusrex7881 3 месяца назад
You can miss me with both those ideas
@andrewmiles8702
@andrewmiles8702 3 месяца назад
Disney does not need to touch anything else to do with established lore, especially Plageus. Just look at Kenobi 🤦🏻‍♂️
@saberiandream316
@saberiandream316 3 месяца назад
@@andrewmiles8702 Don't get me wrong, I'd LIKE faithful adaptations, but Lucasfilm just doesn't give a shit about that.
@ChocolateCylon
@ChocolateCylon 3 месяца назад
Wait…”maybe now is time to listen”? That ship sailed and sunk. The only way fans will be willing to give this franchise another chance is if it’s made by someone else entirely. The mouse and crew have made an enemy out of those that kept this franchise afloat during all the years that nothing new was made. Even conversations about star worse are hard to get through without falling asleep.
@eltiket
@eltiket 3 месяца назад
Disney needs to either sell the franchise or let it sleep for AT LEAST 10 years. The mando movie will break even at best, and the Rey movie will most likely flop. It is over.
@TophDaGreat
@TophDaGreat 3 месяца назад
SW isn't growing. The numbers are going down. Younger fans are watching other stuff and older fans have stopped or just become apathetic towards the franchise. Most discussions involving modern SW is culture war stuff and actual SW stuff is rarely ever discussed. Its a mess. We'd need a thanos snap level event to fix the damage.
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 3 месяца назад
Or it just needs a new leader and not the whole black pill garbage you’re spouting.
@saberiandream316
@saberiandream316 3 месяца назад
Preach.
@slicerneons3300
@slicerneons3300 3 месяца назад
I will be watching the irredeemable decline of Filoni and Kennedy's careers with great interest. Nothing less is demanded and required.
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 3 месяца назад
Filoni isn’t the problem, Slicer.
@Thed538dhsk
@Thed538dhsk 3 месяца назад
Why do you feel Filoni and Kennedy are irredeemable?
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 3 месяца назад
@TheDCbiz Kennedy is irredeemable based on how she butchered the Sequels, Filoni may have some missteps with live action but he has more hits than misses and the misses can be fixed over time.
@slicerneons3300
@slicerneons3300 3 месяца назад
@@Thed538dhsk They thought this was a good idea and are too entrenched in the culture of blaming the fans for not liking the pig slop they throw in the trough. Not fit for purpose and too stubborn to repent, so they must be removed.
@Takwygladapilaw
@Takwygladapilaw 3 месяца назад
@@achaudhari101 Jesus, is that you, Alex Chaudhari? You can criticise Disney! Good for you.
@cuoy13
@cuoy13 3 месяца назад
9:50 You hit it right on the head. I don't know if anyone younger than 18 or even younger than 14 is really into Star Wars at this current moment. Star Wars had it's crowd in the 80s and 00s respectively. With that number getting shorter and shorter in the 10s and 20s. I asked my son, who will be 7 at the end of the month, if he liked Star Wars and he told me yes, but he didn't go into the specifics of characters or weapons or ships, etc. He just broke it down as a space movie with spacecraft and robots (my son is also autistic). But if I were to ask him about Thomas The Train or Dinosaur Train he could break them down like he created the shows himself. Which is way different from when I was his age. I lived and breathed Star Wars, which shows in my life today (if you look at my profile picture, I have a toy version of Anakin's lightsaber on my waist - I was 22 in this picture.)
@stevenoneill2037
@stevenoneill2037 3 месяца назад
Star war is not a kid show anymore
@Thed538dhsk
@Thed538dhsk 3 месяца назад
But this isn't unique to star wars. What fandom now has young fans? Lord of the rings skews older, star trek skews older, star wars, marvel, DC, he man, etc all skew towards gen x, millennials, and only some of gen z right? Bluey is a fandom that has lots of younger fans
@Thed538dhsk
@Thed538dhsk 3 месяца назад
​@@stevenoneill2037but it is, obi wan is clearly for children look at little Leia
@ShowLSWH
@ShowLSWH 3 месяца назад
I hadn’t thought about this before, but it seems quite correct. Star Wars seems to have three fan groups. Adults who grew up with the original trilogy. Millennials who grew up with the prequels. And then people like me in their mid-20s who were introduced to both the OT and prequels and grew up on the clone wars tv show.
@saberiandream316
@saberiandream316 3 месяца назад
Disney Star Wars made two giant mistakes that cost them dearly. Throwing out the EU (ok, you wanna do your own thing) and not continuing it AS Legends (NOT ok). Then invalidating Luke's hero journey in The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi by making him into a loser who failed to rebuild the Jedi Order. They replaced the EU with something decidedly inferior, and it's going to hit them hard in the decades to come.
@20th_century_Ghost
@20th_century_Ghost 3 месяца назад
The Acolyte episode 3 is basically the straw that broke the camels back for a lot of people.
@jameslikesit
@jameslikesit 3 месяца назад
As a Marvel and Star Wars fan, I'm so tired of culture wars, I just want Disney to go back to making good entertainment. The rot is so deep in this company that I don't know if it's possible without a complete clean of house. Marvel has it's chance...I have no faith in Star Wars at this time though.
@erikdayne5429
@erikdayne5429 3 месяца назад
And that’s the thing. They can put their messages in as long as they’re good stories. What we don’t want is political grandstanding at the expense of good storytelling. I don’t care what their political message is, if I’m watching a show where a stone temple burns down, that’s so absurd that I can’t help but check out.
@frankb3347
@frankb3347 3 месяца назад
Doesn't matter if they start making good content. The damage is already done and can't be undone. All the old franchises are dead. They would have to start entirely new ones at this point.
@saberiandream316
@saberiandream316 3 месяца назад
And the idiot Disney fanboys severely underestimate the damage done to Star Wars as a brand, insisting Star Wars had its low points during the prequels too. For one thing, merchandising never TANKED under George Lucas the way it has for Disney. Big difference. Second is that George gave other artists the freedom to tell stories he wouldn't. Disney doesn't do that, you can tell by their big moratorium on new EU-as-Legends stories for TEN YEARS now.
@YegRon
@YegRon 3 месяца назад
Chris Gore was saying the other day that he’s been told that Marvel fired more than a dozen activist producers. That’s good news. KK has a death grip on Lucasfilm’s, but at some point they’ll get tired of losing money.
@moderndancingfool
@moderndancingfool 3 месяца назад
'Tired of the culture wars" = 'I'm sick for being called out for being a bigot."
@richardsylvester4518
@richardsylvester4518 3 месяца назад
At first I only blamed Disney and the showrunners and writers. But now I believe 50% of the blame lies with the defenders of the shows. Thier low standards have made this garbage acceptable in Disneys eyes. Had we all risen up together we would have not suffered any poor content after the sequel trilogy. Anyone who defended the Last Jedi, Rise of Skywalker or any of the bad Disney plus shows, you ate just as much the problem. Blame by proxy. Shame on you.
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 3 месяца назад
How about shame on you for driving Lucas out of SW after the Prequels? How about shame on you for trying to hunt down anyone who likes this show? And how about shame on you for making up a false alternative scenario?
@saberiandream316
@saberiandream316 3 месяца назад
After the sequels, fans sold out to Dave Filoni, thinking he'd restore what had felt missing before. How's that worked out for y'all?
@JoeyAustin-ul1qb
@JoeyAustin-ul1qb 3 месяца назад
Maybe, just maybe, the shows created today are beyond your understanding due to their complexity? Maybe what you really want is for them to really dumb it down for you and simplify it: Jedi good Rebels good Sith bad Storm Troopers bad No other character archetypes or world building that takes place in an entire galaxy needed. God forbid if different types of characters with different stories and different perspectives existed in the world.
@saberiandream316
@saberiandream316 3 месяца назад
@@JoeyAustin-ul1qb I'd say there's no more dumbing down you could do for Star Wars. They've dumbed it down for normies as far as it will go.
@memcore1312
@memcore1312 3 месяца назад
@@saberiandream316bro acting like Star Wars is esoteric or something
@cmedtheuniverseofcmed8775
@cmedtheuniverseofcmed8775 3 месяца назад
I used to be a fan of some Disney SW content (primarily the early seasons of Mandalorian, SW Rebels, Bad Batch, etc.). The animated shows actually had a lot of adult-oriented ideas while still holding up for all ages. Even after the recent sequel trilogy, I wanted Disney to do well with SW. However, it's more than evident that Disney doesn't care anymore. They had no direction for the sequel trilogy, and the actors hated how their characters were depicted. Acolyte had writers and actors who didn't even know the prequels. They gave up on Mando Season 3, and it feels like Disney's goal is to devalue Star Wars at this point, possibly for stock reasons, as other franchises were poorly received. The genuine issue is that Disney never goes back to address its past problems and only blazes forward, leaving a vast road of potholes. Instead of addressing the sequel trilogy's issues, they push forward with Episode 10. The sheer utter disconnect with the majority of its fanbase is just one of many problems. At this rate, Disney will likely sell SW off in a few more years and "decanonized" by the new owner(s). They aren't selling their toys, and the profit-to-cost ratio is only showing that Disney is bleeding money for it. I find it interesting. SW Legends feels like they accomplished so much. In the course of +20 years before Disney, there were acres of books, content galore, tons of video games, and numerous ideas that flourished. With George Lucas recently discussing what he originally had planned, it almost sounded like the original EU was going to be the sequel trilogy. So, I give up. I think Heir to the Empire was fantastic storytelling. I think Shadows of the Empire and the Bane trilogy were amazing. I enjoyed the stories and played the video games. You had numerous writers who did their best to respect the source material and adhere to George Lucas's wishes when they made them. We don't know how much longer before Disney decides to sell off SW for good. For those that have the original books, preserve them for the future.
@mohdmusab.
@mohdmusab. 3 месяца назад
Your question about the comparison between HoTD and Star Wars’ difference in writing is easy to answer: it’s because shows like HoTD have a well defined story already written by a competent writer, the Hollywood writer’s are limited to the amount of agenda they can add to already established characters and plots. In stories like acolyte they start with an agenda, characters and plot arcs are explicitly written to fulfil a DEI quota, they emphasise and give more importance to being an ‘activist’ than respecting the established lore by writing a well thought out logical story that the core fan base would like. They care more about a small minority of people who believe in the agenda rather than the majority of fans who only care about the story and are not interested in their activism. I am sure if they didn’t already have a plot for HoTD from GRRM’s work and had to write it on their own it would have been as bad if not worse than GOT season 7-8.
@jeremymain7303
@jeremymain7303 3 месяца назад
The power of one. The power of two. The power of *spastic jazz hands* many.
@Thed538dhsk
@Thed538dhsk 3 месяца назад
Compared to magic finger wave in a new hope by obi?
@Valen-mh9fh
@Valen-mh9fh 3 месяца назад
​@@Thed538dhskmagic finger wave?
@jeremyh6983
@jeremyh6983 3 месяца назад
@@Valen-mh9fh "You don't need to see his identification.... These aren't the droids you're looking for.... He can go about his business.... Move along."
@losttheproject6711
@losttheproject6711 3 месяца назад
​@TheDCbiz One is iconic and will forever be remembered for its cultural impact. The other is just comical. 😂🤫
@Thed538dhsk
@Thed538dhsk 3 месяца назад
@@Valen-mh9fh when Obi said, these are not the droids you are looking for
@Vespyr_
@Vespyr_ 3 месяца назад
Nah Disney much prefers the 2000 person strong echo chamber on Reddit that love the show.
@howard7073
@howard7073 3 месяца назад
They are not even remotely interested in listening to the few fans remaining….they should have been doing this years ago when they was still time to steady the ship and course correct. It’s over I’m afraid and there’s no coming back from this.
@Thed538dhsk
@Thed538dhsk 3 месяца назад
Is that what Luke Skywalker believed in ROTJ? Just give up hope? Or did he see the hope for good in the bad?
@mattd5240
@mattd5240 3 месяца назад
Real life isn't Star Wars. Evil people and companies are worse in real life than they are in fiction. They have no humanity to appeal to, unlike vader.​@TheDCbiz
@Hanakin-Sidewalker
@Hanakin-Sidewalker 3 месяца назад
Too many cooks in the kitchen. There is no coherent vision for what Star Wars should be anymore. It's just a bunch of hacks going off and doing their own thing.
@zshah3107
@zshah3107 3 месяца назад
Such Incompetence!
@violator7964
@violator7964 3 месяца назад
Peeps always say ‘you can’t just an episode on its own’, but if you get a really good episode and everyone loves it, then apparently you can do exactly that.
@c0de0gre
@c0de0gre 3 месяца назад
Matt Atchity put it best when talking about the first Hobbit movie: even if what you're watching is part of a larger story, you can absolutely criticize it and hold it to a high standard. If it sucks, it sucks.
@fusionwing4208
@fusionwing4208 3 месяца назад
Can damn well judge an episode on its own, just look at episode 2: attack of the clones xD Seriously though, each and every episode can be judged on its own and you can still have an excellent overall show. Take Avatar: The Last Airbender for example, one of its earliest episodes is "The Great Divide". This episode is hated by most Avatar fans, and yet the overall show is one of the best pieces of anime media you can watch. Clone wars has this issue scattered all over it, but the entire show is still a great watch nonetheless.
@Shadow05eth
@Shadow05eth 3 месяца назад
In my Opinion, one of the biggest problems with modern writing and Disney's writing in particular is the "twist villain" trope they keep shoving in everything. So much so that we expected it in this show with the marketing but instead we are getting "the Jedi were the villain all along" sort of twist. Which is pretty much the same thing. But overall I think that this king of storytelling hurts the rewatchability of a story and is not fit for Star Wars.
@norwegiansea6609
@norwegiansea6609 3 месяца назад
the 60% that is answering a SW-channel, that has lost interest in even watching it, is saying more than the other reviews/answers. The ppl answering, should be the most motivated to watch the serie.
@elck3
@elck3 3 месяца назад
Thor, you're being too naive - they don't care about fans. They're taking a scorched earth strategy to root out all the old fans.
@TheSpectacledOwl
@TheSpectacledOwl 3 месяца назад
The time to hear out disgruntled fans has long since passed. Now, those of us who have been called ists or phobes since Episode VII just want it all to go away. We'll enjoy the schadenfreude, though. More substantively, Disney SW is currently where Kurtzman Star Trek has been for a while. ...both are still not as bad as Doctor Who currently is (or Nurse What, as it's being called in certain circles).
@Pedroz0r
@Pedroz0r 3 месяца назад
Hey Thor, the problem is that these opinions don't matter. Current Hollywood assumes (and its right on that) that fans will watch the content regardless of quality. Current Hollywood just wants to make more money so fans are taken for granted and the focus is the new mythical "modern audience" that makes noise in news outlets and twitter. we have to understand that we are not the priority and that the focus is a different group. Hollywood needs to make more content to make more money that is the beginning and end of it.
@jimdaniels7531
@jimdaniels7531 3 месяца назад
Acolyte is currently at the top of RT's most watched TV show list. Until that sort of thing changes, we can expect more mediocre content.
@zeracaitiff5956
@zeracaitiff5956 3 месяца назад
Maybe it´stime for the fans to find out what KK has on Iger and the other higher ups at disney that she still has a job. some unwanted attention might be needed .
@Thed538dhsk
@Thed538dhsk 3 месяца назад
George Lucas is the one who chose her as his successor
@JohnWHoff
@JohnWHoff 3 месяца назад
A Congressional investigation would be the only way to get at THAT.
@Thed538dhsk
@Thed538dhsk 3 месяца назад
@@JohnWHoff wdym?
@osets2117
@osets2117 3 месяца назад
She's a Kennedy, she knows where the bodies are buried because her family is responsible for half of them
@doomsdayrabbit4398
@doomsdayrabbit4398 3 месяца назад
​@@JohnWHoffWe'd have to investigate Congress first!
@andrewbirkett698
@andrewbirkett698 3 месяца назад
They don’t care in the slightest. At this stage, they will hate the fans even more for disliking their drivel. The will produce more of it out of spite. Many women scorned.
@Thed538dhsk
@Thed538dhsk 3 месяца назад
Have you thought maybe some fans like this?
@andrewbirkett698
@andrewbirkett698 3 месяца назад
@@Thed538dhskno. And if they do, I hope they are recaptured very quickly.
@codymacaulay1435
@codymacaulay1435 3 месяца назад
@TheDCbiz Out of ~20k people who took this poll only ~400 thought it was excellent or really good. Are you sure you want to die on this hill?
@SecondBreakfastAndThreeH-zo3jp
@SecondBreakfastAndThreeH-zo3jp 3 месяца назад
Research Dave Filoni’s wife while you’re at it. She literally identifies as a witch, celebrated Gina Carano’s firing, and is a complete activist nut job. Favreau was obviously the brains and talent behind the first 2 Seasons of The Mandalorian, and then Kennedy and Filoni intervened and interfered right after the Season 2 finale.
@Thed538dhsk
@Thed538dhsk 3 месяца назад
@@andrewbirkett698 wdym "recaptured"?
@erickillian313
@erickillian313 3 месяца назад
The budget goes to buying the critics.
@doomsdayrabbit4398
@doomsdayrabbit4398 3 месяца назад
And the politicians.
@range78
@range78 3 месяца назад
they convinced me that star wars fans are toxic, so i just stopped being a star wars fan. im not toxic so no way i could be a star wars fan. it really was that easy.
@Onio_362
@Onio_362 3 месяца назад
Disney's just saying that cause they don't wanna admit they F'ed up.
@ChrisPierce-y1r
@ChrisPierce-y1r 3 месяца назад
But star wars fans are not toxic we are disappointed we have been failed ... They think we are dumb slow minded and cant keep up... when we are just star wars fans who love something And seeing it be destroyed in front of our own eyes
@ChrisPierce-y1r
@ChrisPierce-y1r 3 месяца назад
Its disney that is toxic
@wackywarrior001
@wackywarrior001 3 месяца назад
I feel the same way , that seems to be the basic idea , any criticism they call people toxic, while,there are those people a lot of us are normal people who just want good shows. We love Star Wars , we grew up with it, we want it to succeed . Star Wars is like your 28 year old child who won’t get a job, won’t move out , and complains about taking out the trash . It gets frustrating and after years of that it gets old, and you get upset . You still love you’re kid , but someone needs to tell them , hey your a total f up and this needs to change
@BoredBlinky
@BoredBlinky 3 месяца назад
Star Wars isn’t about good story telling anymore, it hasn’t been for a good while. Pushing a political message is the main focus, and Disney doesn’t care how far they will go to push said message. What we are seeing is the equivalent to the zombie ant fungus, it’s controlling our franchise but what it truly being presented is a virus infecting a dead corpse, Star Wars that we loved and cherished is dead. The Acolyte won’t be the worst instalment, it will just get worse and worse. The last glimmer of hope which was Luke in Mando season 2 is truly gone.
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 3 месяца назад
Except it’s not dead. You’re going to be back for something like Andor S2.
@BoredBlinky
@BoredBlinky 3 месяца назад
@@achaudhari101 Alex, you’re reason why we get this slop in the first place. You’re a faux fan who peddles this lie that Star Wars is alive and well. Every time I interact with you, it seems that you always defend Disney. I don’t think you were ever a fan of Lucas’s work.
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 3 месяца назад
Because the times we interact you’re always acting like petulant vagina towards this franchise and you avoid the stuff that is successful and praised.
@cmdrvex
@cmdrvex 3 месяца назад
There aren't too many methods for the fanbase to publicly show their opinions and feelings in a condensed form, just a single numerical score (RT) and in the light of Disney's marketing and generally antagonistic and divisive approach to the fans, it's not surprising that the fans are going to react and give their impression in return.
@bryanblackburn6928
@bryanblackburn6928 3 месяца назад
They never should have stopped listening to the fans.
@jaernihiltheus7817
@jaernihiltheus7817 3 месяца назад
They (Disney star wars) never started listening to the fans in the first place.
@saberiandream316
@saberiandream316 3 месяца назад
Unfortunately, EU fans were the first, they stopped listening to us, but we weren't the last.
@moderndancingfool
@moderndancingfool 3 месяца назад
Listen to you lot they'll end up sitting with you (Don't you have a Gina Carano film to go see?)
@andrewnietfeld7213
@andrewnietfeld7213 3 месяца назад
@@moderndancingfoolit will be better than this shit
@andrewfiorini8169
@andrewfiorini8169 3 месяца назад
They listened to the fans and we got the sequel trilogy.
@Yabuturtle
@Yabuturtle 3 месяца назад
The franchises we have grown to like have become destroyed. Not by people who are lazy or incompetent or just trying to make a quick buck. They are being destroyed by people who have a seething contempt for the source material and all the fans that appreciate it.
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 3 месяца назад
Neither do the fans.
@Thed538dhsk
@Thed538dhsk 3 месяца назад
Who are these people
@benjaminstock5334
@benjaminstock5334 3 месяца назад
Has anyone made their own replacement franchise yet?
@jefferickson8493
@jefferickson8493 3 месяца назад
"It's definitely the fans fault!! They just don't know that they want to watch crappy stories, and wrongly want to watch intelligent and entertaining media." Apparently that's what Disney executives think...
@doomsdayrabbit4398
@doomsdayrabbit4398 3 месяца назад
Disney executives think "if we push bullshit fake leftist ideas, we can make real progressives and leftists look bad, therefore more people will vote for the guy who's gonna give us huge tax breaks next year!" It's all a fucking scam.
@Blackened30
@Blackened30 3 месяца назад
The issue is most polls don't reflect the quality of the show itself. They reflect dislike for Disney, dislike for the show creator's comments, dislike for an overall agenda, and minds that were already made up by various youtube creators. Most people who've actually watched it simply say its just ok, and that's where I'm at. The show itself is not worth this level of attention being thrown at it. Its really just an average show with a few interesting moments.
@BiggieTrismegistus
@BiggieTrismegistus 3 месяца назад
Do you have any evidence to show that "most polls don't reflect the quality of the show itself"?
@Blackened30
@Blackened30 3 месяца назад
@@BiggieTrismegistus I think you can make some strong inferences.. I'd point to the 60 percent on Thor's poll who claim they haven't and won't watch it. Do you think plenty of those people aren't downvoting elsewhere? Internet campaigns against things have existed for a long time, and this is just one of those. The most numerous liked comments on various Star Wars discussions is "I haven't seen the show, but..." Before the series had ever been released there was tremendous negative buzz against it, which is fine but that has nothing to do with the quality of the series itself.
@NotoriousTim
@NotoriousTim 3 месяца назад
I agree it's not really worth all the attention its getting, but I would say the show is way worse than mediocre thought I probably have too high of standards. I really can't find anything to like in the show from the acting, the characters, the story, etc. It's just a bad show on every metric in my mind but I definitely don't think the problem is "wokeness" as a lot of people seem to be saying.
@Blackened30
@Blackened30 3 месяца назад
@@NotoriousTim I think that's very fair, and everyone's standards are going to differ. My bar was set very low coming in, but I've found moments I liked. Agree on the characters, very forgettable. What I ultimately think is going to depend on where the story goes, but I'm giving that time.
@SourceofDreams18SDAK
@SourceofDreams18SDAK 3 месяца назад
I think I'm in the area of it being an alright average show. I was in the similar boat of expectations being pretty low going in. I'm interested to see where it goes and have been alright with it for now. Possible it might change in future episodes, but at least it isnt one of the shows butchering already established characters.
@OtherWorldExplorers
@OtherWorldExplorers 3 месяца назад
Maybe Disney should save some money. Or just stop trying. For at least a decade.
@Thed538dhsk
@Thed538dhsk 3 месяца назад
You don't want new disney star wars projects? Just a long break, for how long?
@Vulcan-is8tw
@Vulcan-is8tw 3 месяца назад
@@Thed538dhskFor as long as it takes for them to realize these shows aren’t even screen-worthy instead of pretending more is better. Id rather wait for something good than the semi-annual Star Wars slop (Besides Andor)
@Steel-101
@Steel-101 3 месяца назад
@@Thed538dhsk The way I see it. Disney should sell Star Wars. Then the new owners would have to put a temporary halt to any projects. Remove the Disney canon(maybe keep the Clone Wars, Rebels characters, Mando, Cal Kestus). Redo the sequels(using Lucas’s old ideas and mix it with some Legends characters) and making sure we have a more organized timeline for the Skywalker/Solo family. Obviously remove any ridiculous left political agendas and just make good stories for the Skywalkers and other eras. However don’t just crank out TV shows nonstop.
@Cheattoe
@Cheattoe 3 месяца назад
At least until I’m dead for crying out loud
@Valen-mh9fh
@Valen-mh9fh 3 месяца назад
It's not the time per se, it's the leadership. Disney needs to get rid of Iger, KK and Feige. However, not putting Peltz and Rosulo on the board a couple of months back suggests nothing is going to change anytime soon.
@SecondBreakfastAndThreeH-zo3jp
@SecondBreakfastAndThreeH-zo3jp 3 месяца назад
Star Wars is more cooked than Vader on Mustafar. Period. Instead of listening to South Park, they double downed on everything, paid off Rotten Tomatoes critics and invited RU-vidr shills like Star Wars Explained and Kyle Katarn to Lucasfilm to promote The Acolyte, which has greatly backfired. Calling the critics bigots, ists, and phobes turns us away even more. It has a 15% fan score on RT now. 15%! Also, Favreau was behind the success of the first 2 Seasons of The Mandalorian, and Dave Filoni is a complete fraud who has supported this. Just do some research on Filoni’s wife, and you’ll understand everything. It’s just LOTR/Tolkien, One Piece, and Dragon Ball for me these days. Sold about 3/4 of my Star Wars merchandise in the past year.
@khal7702
@khal7702 3 месяца назад
it's not the release schedule, I was waiting for Shogun each week to watch
@Peter-ri9ie
@Peter-ri9ie 3 месяца назад
The event 16 years earlier was most likely that they were all killed by the jedi in a situation that escalated.
@hharrybboy
@hharrybboy 3 месяца назад
Because the jedi are evil! 😂
@LWDrumz
@LWDrumz 3 месяца назад
Star Wars is dead until Kathleen Kennedy is gone, and they fire everyone that she hired. I've been done for a while.
@ArtooDetour
@ArtooDetour 3 месяца назад
Coming to Disney in 2032.. “R2-D2: The Herstory” chronicling his struggle as a young lesbian droid, pre-Clone Wars rescuing Jedi with his strap-on toolbox “plugging in” to random, strange city computers.
@CrazyxEnigma
@CrazyxEnigma 3 месяца назад
😂 Sounds like the script for a p0rn parody.
@braden_tmoore
@braden_tmoore 3 месяца назад
im curious.. with the lack of interest in the acolyte, have you seen a dip in your viewership?
@BobBob-tr7wi
@BobBob-tr7wi 3 месяца назад
Well they can't do another Trilogy continuing things since basically the majority of people hate or don't care about Rey. They can't touch the past or legacy characters since they're basically ruined almost everyone they focused on. And their new ideas aren't, bringing in anyone really so, what IS Star Wars gonna do
@Thed538dhsk
@Thed538dhsk 3 месяца назад
Why not just have a new trilogy 500 years in the future after the events of rise of Skywalker?
@BobBob-tr7wi
@BobBob-tr7wi 3 месяца назад
​@@Thed538dhsk Thats a good idea, except with how divisive/hated the sequeal trilogies are I'm not sure anyone would tune in, at least not the numbers Disney wants
@Thed538dhsk
@Thed538dhsk 3 месяца назад
@@BobBob-tr7wi so then what do fans want star wars to make?
@BobBob-tr7wi
@BobBob-tr7wi 3 месяца назад
​@@Thed538dhskI'm gonna be honest, at this time, probably nothing until consistently good stories can be made
@Thed538dhsk
@Thed538dhsk 3 месяца назад
@@BobBob-tr7wi what good stories can be made tho? George Lucas wrote star wars into a corner. After EP 6 the return of the Jedi, the force is now balanced. The evil empire is destroyed. They lived happily ever after. There in theory according to Lucas should be peace. That makes the potential for future stories limited. Then he made it so in the prequels a 1000 generations had peace prior to phantom menace. That limits stories to only the old Republic and prior to old Republic
@motorcycleboy9000
@motorcycleboy9000 3 месяца назад
Is it my fault for giving up after Obi-Wan? That show was embarrassing. I'm just not f'ing watching a Star Wars product anymore. I turned off Rise of Skywalker halfway through. I don't do that even with non-Star Wars movies. And I'm a die hard fan. I BBQ'd with my beloved Darth Vader tongs last night.
@rippingbag
@rippingbag 3 месяца назад
Activists entertainers taking control of a long established IP to score settle with their modern day philosophical opponents, who also happen to be a large percentage of the IP’s fan base. What could possibly go wrong. And how would these activists entertainers react to Andrew Tate directing the next Barbie movie. That’s why you end up with a 15% Rotten Tomatoes score.
@SamMontoya
@SamMontoya 3 месяца назад
I personally haven’t enjoyed the writing in The Acolyte. It’s been pretty bad and nonsensical. There also seems to be a gap in skills. Many involved in the production of the show just don’t have the experience. If someone enjoyed it, that’s awesome. Enjoy the content you enjoy. Personally speaking, Disney and Lucasfilm need to be cleaned up. In any other business, if you spend $4B on an IP and are still $2.8B short of breaking even over a decade later, would have been fired already. As an aside, calling the fans various names is just poor business. The people that consume your content/product are what pay for this stuff to be created. If fans stop watching, money will eventually dry up. Biting the hand that feeds is a poor strategy.
@meanderinoranges
@meanderinoranges 3 месяца назад
We were having this conversation a decade ago, while you were busy supporting Disney's terrible decisions. Maybe if fewer people blindly supported Disney's trash ten years ago, we'd be watching quality Disney Star Wars today.
@Sig509
@Sig509 3 месяца назад
12 years have passed. Twelve freakin years since George Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney, and they keep on doing the same things, ignoring fans, and aim at a non-existent market. Sure, there were some good / med exceptions like Andor, or even Rogue One, but most of the movies and tv series was just bad. At this point they've just lost fans. People are not even angry anymore, they are either laughing on the stupidity, or are indifferent. That is literally the worse situation for a company, when people are just indifferent, because they expect that your productions are gonna be garbage. At this point it would take a solid trilogy of movies to win fans back. Not one, not even two movies, but a full trilogy, because even after two good movies at this point the distrust towards Disney would be so big, that we would just assume that they will make a bad third movie.
@kirgan1000
@kirgan1000 3 месяца назад
So they use the troop "unreliable narrator" and intentionally withholds information.... sight
@luisvalencia558
@luisvalencia558 3 месяца назад
Thor lets face it, your treatment and talking it's so benevolent for DisneyStar Wars It's just Bad. Bad writing.Bad approach.Bad characters.Bad stories.Really Bad treatment of the original Vision
@michaelsbasement9021
@michaelsbasement9021 3 месяца назад
I don't care if something is woke or not or pushes some kind of agenda. I care about thought and creativity and overall consistence. But after the last years of content I dont care about StarWars anymore. I was deeply invested in the brand during the past 7 years while making my own FanFilm (called Wingman)... to let go of something can feel quite good. Also, we still got the OT.
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 3 месяца назад
Sounds like cuck talk.
@vonglover7859
@vonglover7859 3 месяца назад
I hate to sound like a broken record,but we are witnessing the deconstruction of George Lucas' vision of Star Wars. It all started with the "new" direction Disney asserted upon purchasing the IP. It always amazes me the mass amounts of discussions by George on what Star Wars is,& the nature of the Force purposely dismissed by some fans,but more the ones in the creative positions to make content. SW is changing from good & evil to moral ambiguity reflecting our current society . The Sequels were just the beginning to destroy the Skywalker Family,the Acolyte is the catalyst to destroy the mystery of the Force,& the true ways of the Jedi. The irony is the same people like Leslie Headland,Rian Johnson,& Kathleen Kennedy praise George Lucas in one breath,only to spit in his face by not adhering to the core foundations of SW firmly set by George. In other words,they fully understand the rules put in place but choose to go against them willingly to recreate SW in their own image,& this is why the fans are enraged & divided. I have tried to convince those on this channel,even Thor himself of where SW is heading,& I hope those who bother to read this,understands exactly what's happening in real time...
@wesleysnipesyah3591
@wesleysnipesyah3591 3 месяца назад
never stop sending it
@Oneil1570
@Oneil1570 3 месяца назад
If you remove the Star Wars elements it’s still a really poorly written show. Never mind them desecrating the lore and history of Star Wars. The hardcore fans are not hard to please. 1) stop disrespecting what came before 2) create well written scripts that are in line with the history and lore. 3) stop the identity politics. Star Wars was very diverse before Disney. 4) stop blaming the fans because we don’t like it. Blanketing the male fan base all the terrible names they can come up with will never help them. There is always a negative element in every single group. Trying to use them to disregard real criticism is disingenuous.
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 3 месяца назад
Actually they ARE hard to please, the hardcore fans especially since people got pissy over not understanding the difference between the Twins and Anakin’s birth. They’re more like uneducated casuals at this point.
@darthcroco
@darthcroco 3 месяца назад
This show might be worse than The Book of Boba Fett.
@jaemotoo
@jaemotoo 3 месяца назад
The BoBF ruled compared to this show
@verazollinger6862
@verazollinger6862 3 месяца назад
It is!
@SecondBreakfastAndThreeH-zo3jp
@SecondBreakfastAndThreeH-zo3jp 3 месяца назад
Boba Fett was still better than Kenobi and Mando Season 3 imo. At least it had Tem in it. Still mid and disappointing, but definitely not as terrible as The Acolyte and Kenobi.
@carolbriscoe9337
@carolbriscoe9337 3 месяца назад
And I actually enjoyed Boba Fettt, till Dave & Jon inserted Grogu and Mando into it
@Deuteromis
@Deuteromis 3 месяца назад
It is
@ajdz1840
@ajdz1840 3 месяца назад
Fans: Send clear message What Lucasfilm hears: This is proof of our oppression! We need to lecture harder!!!
@KwaIified
@KwaIified 3 месяца назад
the reason StarWars has gone down the tubes is bc its made by a company who doesnt understand it or care about it
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 3 месяца назад
I mean you didn’t think Lucas understood the franchise with the prequels.
@saberiandream316
@saberiandream316 3 месяца назад
Exactly, they don't care, and they give us no reason to.
@leonidassv7596
@leonidassv7596 3 месяца назад
I thinking you are also missing the fact of how disrespected the fans feel
@ApocGenesis
@ApocGenesis 3 месяца назад
I'm sorry, did Lesley Hedland really say she was trying to make a Star Wars "Rashomon?" It explains why that whole "it's not about good or evil, it's about power" trope. But someone like Lesley Hedland can't make a film like Rashomon because that would require seeing from multiple points of view. I don't think we're going to see this witch-coven portrayed as anything other than oppressed, objectively good victims of the Jedi, because the witch-coven are full of people like her, and therefore objectively good.
@BiggieTrismegistus
@BiggieTrismegistus 3 месяца назад
This show has the same problem that all of Marvel's female led films did. When Jodie Turner described her character the first words out of her mouth were "powerful leader". Marvel's female led shows and movies were all about "showing powerful women" on screen and things like that. That *badly* misses the point. Power by itself doesn't make a character and it certainly doesn't make a character interesting. It's what they _do_ with their power that matters.
@Hamstar78
@Hamstar78 3 месяца назад
Andor = Awesome. Acolyte = Abysmal. The Power of Many = 15%
@regishel
@regishel 3 месяца назад
If I had seen the poll, (and mind you, I Never see the polls,) I would have said: I have not seen the show, -but plan to watch a Fanedit of the show whenever someone makes one. I think so far I've seen enough Fanedits to know they are mostly Superior to Anything Disney does, in total. If Disney wanted to fix some stuff, they should have Faneditters on that🤷‍♀️
@Thed538dhsk
@Thed538dhsk 3 месяца назад
Didn't Disney hire the person who did better Luke chi?
@bellowingsilence
@bellowingsilence 3 месяца назад
I mean, that comes down more to some of these shows only having an extended movie worth of actual story content, padded out to an 8 or so episode long season or series. This was true of Obi-Wan, Ahsoka, and it sounds like that’s the case with Acolyte. But if they’re insistent on having a certain number of episodes for a show, editing what they had in each of these cases wouldn’t have really helped much. They need to either write enough to actually fill a full season in a serialized format (like Andor did,) lower the episode counts with the same amount of story content edited down, or go the traditional TV “episodic story of the week with an underlying serialized story line” like early Mandalorian did.
@Bananaskin101
@Bananaskin101 3 месяца назад
Disney SW is not made for kids
@Pelicanzzz
@Pelicanzzz 3 месяца назад
It isn't made for anyone.
@InventiveHarvest
@InventiveHarvest 3 месяца назад
It's not that it's all bad, but I am sick of the postmodern critical theory messaging.
@puterboy2
@puterboy2 3 месяца назад
And God knows they will not adapt any Legends works unless we take action ourselves.
@3Overhaus
@3Overhaus 3 месяца назад
Damn I didn't know it dropped to 15% on RT. Yikes!
@nathanwyatt3519
@nathanwyatt3519 3 месяца назад
Lucas made Star Wars to entertain and inspire. Disney makes Star Wars to subvert expectations and to indoctrinate kids into feminist and LGBTQ philosophies. It’s sad, because I really loved the OT as a kid. Loved sharing the prequels with my kids. But Disney Star Wars has gone somewhere ideologically that I just can’t follow.
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 3 месяца назад
SW was Leftist by nature.
@esharp86
@esharp86 3 месяца назад
I don’t care about their social commentary, I don’t even care much about their sticking the the lore (within reason), what I care about is that any given movie or show makes sense within itself. I am instantly taken out of media when it lacks internal consistency and imo it is the most blatant and easily noticed/addressed problem with bad writing. DONT have a character say “you can’t deny I have the right to test your children, with your permission.” That sentence makes no sense within itself. DONT have a character under suspicion of committing a crime then show the character on board a spaceship with no way to hide the craft used in conjunction with the crime aka with a rock solid alibi yet have no recognition of this by the investigating characters. DONT have a character say they saw someone die then turn around and have them immediately accept that someone is alive based on another character dreaming it. Like just have things make sense! Have characters make decisions that make sense based on the knowledge they have rather than what the plot needs them to do. It’s clunky, it’s lazy, it’s amateurish. I have no idea how these big properties are allowing this sort of writing to go unchecked and unedited. First Draft Wars. Honestly so pathetic.
@saberiandream316
@saberiandream316 3 месяца назад
Well, tbf, it's not like the Star Wars fandom cares about continuity and internal consistency, with how hard they suck off Dave "I always knew I was doing the canon bomb" Filoni!
@tedadamgreen
@tedadamgreen 3 месяца назад
This was my BIGGEST problem too … the internal inconsistency of writing was abysmal… my goodness
@takkar7763
@takkar7763 3 месяца назад
Nothing against people who enjoy the show, but the truth is that the show is not good. There is room to improve in perspekt of storytelling, but as a SW show its bad for the community. Most clearly its not good to flirt with Anakin not being special, people are scared of what they will do (Examples of not so good portrayal: Han, Luke, Obi'wan, Boba, Mando s3)
@takkar7763
@takkar7763 3 месяца назад
I also think that people should understand whats different with, something being "good" and "enjoyable"
@Hotaru99
@Hotaru99 3 месяца назад
My question is.. if everyone hates this and other shows coming out, and don’t watch it, why are they still making it this way? Why continue to make something that only loses money?
@BiggieTrismegistus
@BiggieTrismegistus 3 месяца назад
Because they're stupid.
@ChrisPierce-y1r
@ChrisPierce-y1r 3 месяца назад
Cause they can say they spending all this money on these things but in reality they spending very little money and pocketing the rest for them selfs
@ChrisPierce-y1r
@ChrisPierce-y1r 3 месяца назад
Not that hard to see
@jimdaniels7531
@jimdaniels7531 3 месяца назад
Is it losing money though? It's at the top of RT's list of most-watched TV shows. Clearly someone is watching The Acolyte, whether it's fans of the show or youtube reviewers looking for fodder. Either way, it translates to $$ for Disney.
@ChrisPierce-y1r
@ChrisPierce-y1r 3 месяца назад
@@jimdaniels7531 its also rated as one of the most lowest viewed and liked star wars shows its the hate watchers and you tubers that are giving it its ratings...and any one who watches this crap is not paying attention to what it is doing to the lore that came before and can not be pep who loved star wars truly...
@lasercraft32
@lasercraft32 3 месяца назад
Disney is proof that throwing tons of money at something doesn't make it good... Passion, creativity, inspiration, and (of course) quality control is what makes good products _good._ NOT the budget.
@richardsylvester4518
@richardsylvester4518 3 месяца назад
Some.of these extreme youtubers (doomcock, nerdrotic etc) should shoulder some of the blame. They gave Disney and all the defenders a target to shoot at. They gave the rest of us fair critics a bad name by acting as bad as they do.
@saberiandream316
@saberiandream316 3 месяца назад
I agree. All Nerdrotic and Doomcock want is money, and it affects good-faith criticism. Poisons the well, so to speak.
@CarltonYoung
@CarltonYoung 3 месяца назад
This is probably the first Star Wars series I will skip watching. It looks like it will be waste of my time. I compare this series to Star Trek Discovery which I have only watched the second season in full. I never finished the first season and watched the third season premiere. The writing and storytelling just sucks, and it appears The Acolyte has the same issues. Like you said about Andor, DEI was presented in the series but no one complained because the storytelling was priority and incredible. DEI is in your face with Discovery and it looks the same with the Acolyte, and storytelling is not priority.
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 3 месяца назад
I think you’re overthinking it.
@MiscMitz
@MiscMitz 3 месяца назад
Haven't watched a single episode. Was going to today. Not sure now. Maybe when the whole thing is out.
@Thed538dhsk
@Thed538dhsk 3 месяца назад
What is stopping you from watching it?
@thealexgundam5006
@thealexgundam5006 3 месяца назад
​@@Thed538dhsk The general lack if interest and more invested into do other things personally
@advancedtheoreticalresearc6992
@advancedtheoreticalresearc6992 3 месяца назад
STAR WARS is Only ep 1 to 6, Rogue One and Andor. Optional: The Mandalorian season 1 & 2 (only). The rest is STAR WOKE.
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 3 месяца назад
Animated shows and games beg to differ and Mando S3 and Ashoka are entertaining.
@Elerad
@Elerad 3 месяца назад
They're getting plenty of views, they're getting investor money, and they're getting accolades from the people that matter to them. They're not worried, and they're not changing course
@Shrike1988
@Shrike1988 3 месяца назад
Then I'll keep laughing at this fake pretend star wars.
@edwin4625
@edwin4625 3 месяца назад
Hey Thor, can you include 'apathy' watching to your next pole? It's what I'm doing now.
@Thed538dhsk
@Thed538dhsk 3 месяца назад
No. No the people saying how bad acolyte is now were not episode per episode singing the praise of Andor. Barely anyone watched andor. People are going ep by ep about the acolyte. The same did not happen with andor, a lot of people ignored it
@Hello-bi1pm
@Hello-bi1pm 3 месяца назад
Good reviews don't get views on RU-vid, blame RU-vid algorithm for ruining Star Wars.
@Valen-mh9fh
@Valen-mh9fh 3 месяца назад
​@@Hello-bi1pmnot everyone who might watch it, watches YT for reviews.
@Thed538dhsk
@Thed538dhsk 3 месяца назад
@@Hello-bi1pm how did the algorithm ruin star wars?
@Hello-bi1pm
@Hello-bi1pm 3 месяца назад
@@Thed538dhsk only promoting negative videos and getting them views
@yevaud6
@yevaud6 3 месяца назад
I think the shows reception wouldn't have turned out as bad if the press tour and weekly response from the studio wasn't making their stance and intent clear. If they had just talked about the show and it's characters and then remained silent while the show released. That may have changed things. Episode one and two would have gotten flak for the writting, but more people would be on board and watching. The origin of the twins, that they are implying at the moment, and how they've painted the Jedi so far... If the studio had stayed silent instead of the news we've been seeing, I think more people would be willing to see what reveals they might have in the back half. To see if they walk it back to a place where they at least aren't cheapening the events of the chosen one prophecy and the significance of Anakin/the Skywalker line. I also agree releasing all at once would have been best for this project. Having these events linger for a week at a time when they currently seem this jarring to the foundation of the original series. It's doing alot more damage than if we had the shock in one night, but also understood where it was leading to if we had 2 more hours to spare to watch two episodes.
@caderen5624
@caderen5624 3 месяца назад
Hey Thor, what are your thoughts on Star Wars truly expanding way beyond its foundations? I don’t just mean creating new stories that introduce new elements, but a Star Wars show or film that either tells a completely new story (completely devoid of any intentionally familiar elements from the Original Trilogy) or a Star Wars story that may pull elements from other parts of the franchise except for the OT itself. Because some interesting complaints I have heard from a lot of fans (usually older ones or fans who I personally put in the category of: films fans who admire the Original Trilogy as films but don’t really revere the franchise outside of that) are usually about how different a lot of these recent SW Projects are compared to the OT, whether it be in terms of broad strokes like the way the stories are told or what kind of stories are being told or smaller details like the visuals or certain stylistic elements from the Original Trilogy that haven’t particularly been carried over to the more recent stories. Personally, what I certainly have my problems with a lot of these shows, I can’t say any of those complaints were one of them, maybe it’s because I have consumed a lot of SW (both new and old) to the point where I don’t really see Star Wars as just the Original Trilogy anymore but in all honesty, all I really care about are good, well written stories with interesting characters, solid worldbuilding and some form of internal consistency within said world.
@popeluigi
@popeluigi 3 месяца назад
Could you imagine if people had to wait a week between Fallout episodes? There would've been countless videos questioning what they would be doing, people would be calling Episode 6 boring and slow, and it would've ruined the viewing experience for anyone that had the desire to know what happens next immediately. Instead, they dropped it all in one go and let people watch at their leisure, so when the bingers watched it immediately and relayed the message that it was a good show, it pushed more and more people to watch it through word of mouth. That 100% made a huge impact on the success and positive reception of Fallout. Star Wars needs to learn from this
@TheShdwStr
@TheShdwStr 3 месяца назад
You gotta speak with SWT
@windandcloudshadow158
@windandcloudshadow158 3 месяца назад
Dude it's crap just admit it.
@AlecFortescue
@AlecFortescue 3 месяца назад
Listen to fans and their grievances? NO PLATFORM FOR FASCISM!
@Thed538dhsk
@Thed538dhsk 3 месяца назад
I thought the fans were for democracy
@Pelicanzzz
@Pelicanzzz 3 месяца назад
For the Republic!
@Nick_Nightingale
@Nick_Nightingale 3 месяца назад
See... it's not Star Wars. As Galvatron said in Transformers The Movie 1986 "This is bad comedy." ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aSBPIOomm4w.html
@hazeform7689
@hazeform7689 3 месяца назад
i have to say that sometimes you are way to polite and kind in your choice of words when you consider the current low point of the franchise and the constant massive amount of damage caused by those responsible and we must ask the question why they hate us, the fans so much
@saberiandream316
@saberiandream316 3 месяца назад
Because they're so obsessed with their political enemies in the GOP, they fail to see we're not all greedy rich politicians, and that not all criticism, not even most of it, is about some throwback ideology. It doesn't work that way.
@svenverbruci2543
@svenverbruci2543 3 месяца назад
Unoriginal as it was, I really liked The Force Awakens (still do). It was a good start for a compelling and intriguing story that sadly got shot to pieces by Rian J. in The Last Jedi. Rogue One was good, the start of The Mandalorian was good, even Boba Fett had a good start with the first two episodes. Andor is great, but it went (steeply) downhill towards the end of Boba Fett, the firing of Gina, the sh*t show that was Kenobi... Ashoka is kinda lackluster as well, but somehow I enjoyed it. And now there is The Acolyte.. There is just no defending it. It really is that bad. Watching the Star Wars Explained RU-vid channel now has become a total cringe. I've never seen such bad acting, storytelling, directing, cinematography and horrible agenda pushing come together in such a costly production, ever. It's so sad to experience this. Back in the days, movies and series were made as a passion project. Certainly Star Wars started as such, but those days are long gone...
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