(DISOWNED)Everything Wrong With Charriii5’s EWW Sonic and the Secret Rings (ft. LFonTV) 

What do you guys think of Secret Rings? Do you hate it? Do you like it, or are you one of the very few people that likes it more than Black Knight? Also for those of you wondering, NO. LFonTV and I are not doing a hot pepper version of this video. It's not only kind of in poor taste, but I also would like to keep my sense taste, thank you very much.

I dislike it when people basically ignore the message and themes of the "mountain of handkerchiefs" scene because Sonic fans only ever look at admittedly cheesy dialogue, the wish itself and so on. This scene tackles themes of overcoming grief, the theme of that crying is not weakness, how time heals wounds as Sonic didn't just wish away Shahra's pain. I wrote an entire essay why I love this scene. If only we got more scene likes this that showcased and expanded on Sonic's character. It's on Reddit if you're interested and it's titled, "Why I love the ending to Sonic and the Secret rings." It would be neat if you'd give it a read. Thank you for your time. Subbed.

I remember playing the party mode on this, boy.... I had a blast playing it, I don't know why More Sonic games don't have a party mode.

2:13 - Fun fact: in an interview that Takashi Iizuka gave in 2010 (the same one where he claimed humans and Mobians live on two worlds), he says that Sonic doesn't have a house. Apparently, he forgot about this game (and Sonic Shuffle, and Sonic Battle...) 3:26 - Well, to be fair, he knew he lived inside a video game in Wreck-It Ralph, but that's different, of course. 5:17 - There's a life-size statue of Sonic at the entrance of Tokyo Joypolis. When you push the button on its base, he talks (in Junichi Kanemaru's voice, no less). One of his lines is that he likes to read on rainy days (he even mentions the Arabian Nights by name). 8:50 - Also, in Islam, Iblis is another name for the Devil (which is where the writers of Sonic '06 got the name in the first place). Given that Erazor is an evil genie (a demonic being) himself, it makes sense for him to invoke Iblis. (In that same incantation, he even mentions Jahannam, the Arabic name for Hell.)

Secret rings. To me this game was alright. I like the music, the story and the party mode. The controls weren’t really that great but it could’ve been worse. I actually managed to get every gold medal and fire soul in this game. It was a living hell.

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Sonic straight up broke the fourth wall in colours though with the "I'm going to keep calling them aliens if that'd alright with you guys" comment.

I like this one as well and I can't wait to see the rage in the Rush Adventure video since I saw the Partners in Time video and since Rush Adventure is another video of Charriii5's that you genuinely hate, oh boy, I'm in for a Wild ride on that one

I completely agree with 74. We absolutely could've gotten another Story Book Sonic game (I think some people wanted one in Greek Mythology) but yeah, the Sonic fans dunked on it and Black Knight though they were harsher on Secret Rings so SEGA and Sonic Team never bothered to make another Story Book game. And I don't care what anybody will say when I say this, but I consider Secret Rings as one of my favorite Sonic games (yes, the controls are terrible and awkward with Sonic constantly moving forward and the Wii motion controls just being a terrible idea. This game and Black Knight should've been Playstation and/or XBox games or could've done what Colors Wii would do when they made that game). I loved the story, I loved Shahra, Erazor was a good villain (and it was refreshing to see a different villain than Eggman) and I really liked the idea of the game.

I understand the complaints about the gameplay style for the game, but I still appreciate it for the music and story. Same with Black Knight, honestly. But MAN, I really wish we got one more Storybook Series game. Apparently the third one was gonna deal with Greek Mythology… so now I just feel cheated.

Thanks for having me contribute to your videos mate

I really love the World Rings because not only do they grant a super form from just 3 of them, but they're controlled by emotions and all have their own power on their own. I wish the Emeralds were like that btw Darkspine is awesome.

The SMG4 joke you used when he brought up 06 was funny as hell I quite liked that joke

Another great video coming out and excited to see it you know what do the adventure next there are lot of sins wrong

Now this is gonna be interesting, also I was just wondering, will you eventually do an eww Nathaniel bandys triggered series on sonic?

How Sonic became Dark Spine Sonic in that cutscene was the coolest ever!!!!!!😎

20:10 He explained in his Shadow the Hedgehog remaster that when he first started making these, he had no choice but to sin games he didn't have, so he could only use cutscenes he found online

Missed opportunity to have Lfontv to make a genie reference from Disney Aladdin

Excited to see your thoughts on this game

Oddly enough Secret Rings was my first Sonic game. Yeah, talk about a weird way to get into the series. The forced motion controls was and still is tedious to play with, but the ost is a major bop to listen to. If SEGA and Sonic Team were given more time I imagine the controls and gameplay would be similar to Black Knight's. That said, the best part of this game to me *has* to be Darkspine Sonic. Not only does the design incorporates the three main elements Sonic uses with the various abilities he can unlock throughout the game but the pyrokinetic powers Sonic gains in that form is theorized to reference both Sonic Wildfire, the early name of Sonic and the Secret Rings (which at one point was going to be Sonic and the Secret of the Rings) and the numerous fire based techniques Sonic uses in his skills. Reminder, in-game fire is represented by a red background icon to increase Sonic's attack power. The colors Sonic gains in his Darkspine form is a deep shade of Indigo (which is a shade inbetween both purple and blue which are the two colors used to represent Wind and Darkness respectively in-game) with his skin turning pale white (the most common color depiction of wind, Sonic's main element in several games). In the cutscene Sonic gains a faint warm reddish/orange aura that changes to a large flaming orange aura both in-game and in the CGI cutscene after the fight with Alf Layla wa-Layla. The golden rings around his wrists and ankles might represent the four World Rings Erazor successfully absorbed which would've been needed to finish the transformation Sonic underwent.

Fun collab!! Love any video that starts with DT.

This is going to be awesome. Also dogseatingdogs6 finally released episode 3 of the king olly show, trust me, you will love it

I had actually beaten Sonic And The Secret Rings before and I even went so far as to unlock every last party member in party mode. I should know especially since I actually used to have a copy of the game exclusively for the Wii.😎

I actually really love the whole idea of what SEGA was doing here honestly. What, with combining Sonic with stores from cultures like King Arthur and the Arabrain Nights, seeing as to how Sonic would act in those worlds. Secret Rings and The Black Knight were personally awesome. Sure, controls not might be that good or the gameplay is meh, but it they sure are changes that were good for their time.

I remember playing this game for the first time, I got so mad at it because I didn't know how to control it until my dad played it then I realized it was motion controls.

This was such a great video. Also I loved that skit with DT at the beginning

This is new, this time it's a Collaboration video, that just makes it better.

You're a blessing, thank you!

Cool Video! You both did good :)

I still disagree that typos aren't Sins. It's one thing to make a mistake in a text message or the first draft of an essay/short story/poem/screenplay/book, but professional finished works aren't supposed to have them, especially collaborative ones. Did no one proofread the script for grammatical errors?

Just got the CD soundtrack for this game today at 11:00a.m. and it's the Seven Rings In Hand: Sonic and the Secret Rings Original Sound Track CD and I'm listening to it while watching this! 7:43p.m. 11/14/2023

The only thing I like about it is the song Who’s gonna rock the place and Cobanermani456 which I hope he is doing okay because I watch him as a kid and he is apparently having suicidal thoughts

I always assumed the building sonic was in at the beginning of the game was a library especially since I've seen fancy libraries like that But I guess there's no proof against it being sonics house either so that's fair

If there's one thing that ruined Secret Rings: And that's the motion controls with the wiimote Also, i had a friend who did interviewed Mike Pollock aka the voice of Eggman, and he said he didn't recall any of lines being cut in half back in 06 offscreen, anyway your takes are way better than anyone from Minus World, the party mode was pretty ok but they're calling it awful makes me think every single one from Minus World look delusional in a way (Except Simplefilps because he's chill) because calling the party mode "awful" is a bit of an overstatement, it's not my favorite but i had fun playing it back in the day!

This was a short but sweet episode, I'm hoping with the rush adventure video that you dont get as angry at the end

tbh secret rings is imo quite underrated. the story, music (extremely underrated), the levels and darkspine sonic were some of the best parts. definitely not one of the best sonic games but better than 06 and some of the other very bad ones. if the controls were replaced and some of the gameplay reworked (grinding, skills) it could genuinely be a good game.

This looks kinda interesting to play. I’m surprised u didint say that it’s terrible tbh. Lol

This video and the Sonic 06 video have been wild rides, but oh boy. I can't even begin to explain what the Sonic Rush Adventure video will be like. It will probably be on par with Charriii5's Partners in Time video, and that and the Sonic Rush Adventure video will be two of three Charriii5 videos you genuinely hate. I wonder what that third Charriii5 video you hate is.

This the first video I'm watching from you, and I was just wondering; you don't happen to know who Th3Birdman15 is, do you? Because now I have major respect for BOTH of you!

Sonic has a house? Huh, so I guess Sonic does return home to Christmas Island (which is the birth land of Sonic btw)

And we're back, after the beast that was Sonic 06, we're back with Sonics first outing on the wii, Sonic and the secret rings, it was originally a wii port of 06, but after sega found out about the consoles limitations, they took some 06 devs and had them work on this, this is on my list of sonic games I haven't played, so I'll check it out at some point whether I like it or not, also why is this video premiering at 6 when your other vids premiere at 2

The sol emeralds are kinda of discount chaos emeralds because they have the same function as the normal chaos emeralds just shaped differently lol

So many missed opportunity’s for Aladdin references

Sonic and the Secret Rings,both a Underrated and Overrated,while the Story and Songs are Really Good,However there's 2 Major Sins that can't be Ignored,the Gameplay and how they divided Sega to not Finishing 06 that makes Secret of the Rings One of Wrost Sonic Games,love this Review and I'm Looking Forward to see the Next One.

the only sin here is that Tony was sleeping in his chair! That could mess up your spine!

I feel bad that charriii went through this game again while eating hot peppers

(NOTE: I don’t hate Tony’s content. I’m just correcting his mistakes.) 2:14-So we’re not gonna ignore that this is completely out of character for him? Like, the plane wreck from the OVA or beach hunt from Boom, I can see, but this? Nah, Sonic ain’t that type of guy. (1) 3:01-“Lfon sins Chariii for having an opinion” cliche. (2) 3:55-Insulting Chariii. (12) Also, NOT sinning the “Chariii sins the same thing twice” cliche. (13) 5:34-I kinda get Tony’s point, but as for Lfon, the basic premise is practically the same. (14) 6:41-TBF, in the original story, Morgiana wanted to marry Ali’s son. The real sin is thinking Tails would make Sonic do it without consent. (15) 7:01-What’s Shahra’s excuse, then? (16) 8:13-I mean, if Tails didn’t know/remember who Sonic is, how would Eggman? (17) 8:39-There’s a difference between grasping something and barely stepping on it when it’s going at a high downwards velocity. (18) 8:50-“Tony sins Chariii for having an opinion” cliche. (19) Also, pulling out a gun. (29) 10:06-Yes, they are. Typos, no matter how insignificant, are a sign of unprofessionalism. (30) 11:30-One, theories ain’t reality. And two, the wiki is just going off what happened and making guesses from there. (32) 11:52-Well, what if it did? The real sin is the “Chariii sins characterization” cliche. (33) 12:04-Takes one to know one, bro. You insult him all the time. (43) 12:31-They seriously couldn’t do that in any other part? “PATRICK SAAAAAAAD!!” (44) 14:00-Not sinning the “Chariii sins the same thing twice” cliche again. (45) 16:45-Okay, even that’s a stupid reason to betray him. (46) 19:21-Yeah, a friend who betrayed him despite KNOWING how evil Djinn was and knowing what the wrong thing to do was! 20 sins for ignoring this AND insulting Chariii’s opinion! (66) 19:37-“Jfon sins Chariii for-“ ok. (67) Sins: 67 Sentence: FIRST OF ALL, YOUR JORDANS ARE FAKE

Secret Rings is basically a decent game if the motion controls can be functional(but the soundtrack is fire especially Seven Rings in Hand).

Sonic and the secret rings was great actually but the controls are so difficult with the wii remote

This comment will be dedicated to ranting about ken penders, the egotistical og writer of the sonic archie comics, you can leave replies if you have anything to say about him, I'll start by saying that I remember during the premiere of the sonic rivals video, someone said that Mean old Mr penders Tried to sue paramount for giving knuckles a dad in his backstory in sonic movie 2, by then I made up my mind about him and decided he takes things too far, he acts like he owns the rights to the entire concept of knuckles having parents when he really doesn't

1. I laughed a little at the beginning with you sleeping after the 06 video. That took like 9/10 of the time of a movie, you deserved that rest. 2. I like how you're starting to get noticed by the YT community, so much that now they wanna make collabs with you. If Charriii can, why can't you, amirite? 3. I'd like to remind you of this advice from the TS commentary: you should move your sin tally OFF Charriii's sin tally. That way I can tell how many sins where Charriii is actually right you didn't sinned without having to exit the video and going into original one, then returning, then leaving, then returning, and so on. 4. 21:21 YEEEEEAAAASSSSSSS LET'S GO REDEEM THIS AWESOME GAME

2:53-3:00 Charriii sins something he agrees with cliche. Also, why did LFon TV sin this?

The best tonysonic video.

Wow, you're doing a collab? That's really cool! Do you write the script for him or does he write the script on his own? Anyway, I once again haven't played this game and I think that Charriii's video on it is bad, though not as bad as the Adventure videos. 2:13 Wait, Sonic's 16 so does he live alone or does he have parents? 5:17 It feels like whenever Charriii's question gets answered, he needs to find a new way to sin it. 5:58 This feels like a thing with old Charriii. 6:46 I was half expecting the sin to cut off early. 9:50 I groaned when I heard Charriii make that joke. 10:06 And that Paper Jam argument is another reason why typos aren't sins, because Charriii himself makes a lot of them, but sins games with less. 14:57 Padding the sin counter. 17:29 Beginning? His Undertale video has been out for three years and his Deltarune video has been out for several months now. 19:22 It feels like Charriii hasn't played the game. When I watched Charriii's video, I also found the scene odd, but that was because I didn't play the game and didn't understand the context, and it seems like the same applies to Charriii. 20:02 Charriii's sense of good and bad gameplay seems reversed. And oh god, it's time for Rush Adventure. I've heard what you think of Charriii's video, and I'm preparing for the worst.

An everything wrong with on an everything wrong with? NANI!?

I haven't played secret rings but I like the style and music but I heard negative because of the controls but I should give it a try and will there more collabs in the future videos.

8:49 Well that’s kinda unfair, I mean you do like the game, but 10 sins is way too much, especially when you do the same exact thing later for a more offending one. This video was also made before the EWW Sonic 2006 video, so I think 2, 5, or 6 sins would be fine at the very least since this game was developed alongside 2006. 12:04 what, you mean pointing out the obvious or being rude? 20:00 Gee… I guess that means I should play Secret Rings and at least TRY appreciating it. Especially when I have my 480i CRT set up, it’s perfect! I am kinda afraid of what’s to come of the Sonic Rush Adventure video, since I thought it was really funny and decent.

Charri’s early videos aren’t that good but I can’t be too hard on them given nobody’s early videos age well. What eras would you divide Charri’s eras at

okay small feedback comment, you shuld probaply not say in a disclaimer that you are correcting someones mistakes, and rather say that you doing this for fun and Entertainment bc i highly doubt that you got offended or something from his eww videos and now making a eww only to correct him but love your videos anyways

3:50 what about Sonic ditching the player if you leave him idle for too long in Sonic CD? I’d call that a true 4th wall break. And if you don’t consider that canon what about Sonic turning to the camera and saying “I’m just going to call them aliens if that’s alright with everybody” in Colors. Or Espio saying “this must be the final stage” during the Egg Emperor fight?

Bro literally spoke 🤓

Wasn't there a "better controls" upgrade that you had to grind for instead of it being naturally on Sonic? Shoot, I bet if the game released today that would be locked behind a pay wall.

8:49 Blud doesn't understand that iblis literally means Satan

Awesome Video Bro! How come you never did your Everything Wrong With EWW Luigi's Mansion 1 and 2 that I requested? Just wondering.

2:28 This is actually a case of, "You both are right". If you read the original Aladdin story, you would know that there's actually 2 genies, the genie of the lamp that we're all familiar with and the genie of the ring.

I think Secret rings is pretty bad the story is good but I hate the gameplay and the missions and the controls I care about gameplay more than story I need good gameplay to enjoy the story

Is this going to be the normal or chilli pepper version

21:20 YAAAAY, SONIC RUSH ADVENTURE!

So obviously there’s highs and lows like usual, but the one thing that just pressed in my mind the whole time, other than the fact that you cannot compare one guy making a generic video on niche series for a, to be completely honest, small to maybe medium sized audience, to a massive, most definitely million to multi-million dollar company when it comes to making simple spelling mistakes and how much someone would hypothetically be paid to not make said mistakes. Hey, he doesn’t pull in the buck for his amazing grammatical mastery after all, but the spelling checker actually does, so it should be perfect. It’s kinda like if I’m allergic to something, and the man who’s whole job is making sure that that stuff that people may be allergic to doesn’t get into the things it’s not supposed to, but he misses something that’s he’s payed not to miss, we don’t say ‘ah well, couldn’t be helped, it’s no big deal, not like he’s payed not to let that happen or something’, no we make sure it doesn’t happen before, or it doesn’t happen again, but other than that tangent, just like, he said that Sonic SHOULDN’T kick the bomb because something MIGHT happen, not something WILL happen. Just because nothing happened doesn’t mean, originally, it was an absolutely nonsensical play to kick the fatally risky explosive device that could potentially be set off prematurely by even the slightest tap, as they tend to be. It’s like how you say ‘don’t touch the stove, you might get burned’. If you touch it and don’t get burned, then good, but it doesn’t take away from the fact that, bro, you don’t touch the stove, something positively terrible may happen to you, as it may when you kick the bomb. Luckily he didn’t go up in an awful, fatal explosion he couldn’t dodge in midair, but imagine if it did go off and he got exploded. There’s currently no available macguffin to magic him back from the other side, nor will there be if something bad happens to him, so just because he’s currently on borrowed time and potentially isn’t even getting out of this either way since he’s on a timer anyhow, doesn’t mean he should be doing reckless, nonsensically stuff at all at any point. Also, I believe it is universal that all genies cannot revive the dead at the very minimum, it is the that the number of wishes one can make is what is infinite in the original Aladdin and The Magic Lamp, it is not infinite power but infinite applications of a finite power one might say. Anyway, y’know, it’s nice to see that you’ve finally found a collaborative partner, I hope there may be good things in store for the future, and I’ll be here in the background, sharpening away at you and everyone else until you become diamonds instead haha. Until the next one and all, now.

So...Sonic's house...why does it only appear in bassicly this game and only this game? This is like Kirby's house but at least we've seen it more then once...

Honestly, secret rings was ok, but the controls... Bleh. Honestly, sonic and the black knight had much better controls (and more playable characters later on in the story and in duel mode.). To be fair, the party games really were ok, but yeah... they really were a little unnecessary. I honestly think sonic and the black knight was the better one of the sonic storybook games. Both have pretty decent stories, but one has better controls than the other.

sonic most likely isn't showing any emotions becuase he's compressing his emotions

"ADMIT THESE SONIC GAMES ARE GOOD!!!"

For the first sin, Sonic canonically doesn't live anywhere. So no, it isn't his house.

Can you name a few things you like about Chariii5

Charrii5's got a point on what you dinged as sin 13... Shahryar is a 'main presence', but the game got the story bit wrong by naming him the "main character" of the 1001 arabian nights. Scheherazade is actually the main character of the story in the source material because she's the one collecting and retelling the stories every night to Shahryar so he wouldn't have her killed in the following morning. Shahryar was actually a bit of a jerk. So you saying Shahryar is a main presence in your sin 13 and dinging that as a sin is a little disingenuous and misleading because until the end of the story, he was as much of a 'main presence' so much as the Grim Reaper is in most stories. And the omission of Scheherazade, not even being mentioned by Eggman!Shahryar is a major plothole; thus a sin.

11:05 _ technically Sonic IS kids friendly all the time, or at least most of the time with hyper rare occasions XD

21:21 Foreshadowing 😀

Everything Wrong With Charriii5’s EWW UNDERTALE please

Well, this one was better but it still felt bitter considering how old this is. It is what it is tho

19:40 "aren't actually not that bad"... I have a very slight feeling, that you didn't mean to say that.

Ah Secret Rings, I absolutely hate that mess, the controls are just diabolicaly bad, if you had the option to use the Gamecube controller, it would be ten times better to play than using a Wii controller.

Ho no its secret rings Again my bet on Charriii5 This time the animation runing is so bad it didn't even feel or look like running, ho tony your here ha ha ha i was just comment on how you'll win this sin count the story is epec.....😂😅😅😅😅😅ok by by

Hey TS I have a question Do you think I could collab with you one time?

Sonic and The Secret Rings is only slightly better than Sonic 06 but is still bad

8:52 Yeah, i was thinking that.

Alright we got a fan doing this now neat, and now we can breathe after 06, oh wait no we cant BECAUSE THIS GAME IS EVEN WORSE (for me atleast) For one, MOTION CONTROLS they're awful and control like you just ran over a deer, and with no option to use the Wii Remote and Nunchuck, second whenever you unlock new missions the game doesn't say what missions and you have to mash A to get through them, oh yeah THIS GAME IS MISSION BASED, and the game doesn't say what missions are required to progress the story. Also... WHY IS THERE A CHARGE-UP FOR A F***ING JUMP, and atleast 06 is so bad its fun BUT THIS GAME IS SO BAD ITS INFURIATING, oh yeah THIS GAME IS AN AUTORUNNER SO F*** ANY MOMENTUM BASED GAMEPLAY, and WHO THE HELL MADE MOVING BACKWARDS AWFUL THE CAMERA DOESNT FOLLOW, YOU MOVE INSANELY SLOW ITS AWFUL, grinding controls, ALSO THE SPEED UP BUTTON ON RAILS IS THE SAME AS THE JUMP BUTTON, to jump hold for a few seconds, whenever you homing attack an enemy the camera literally has a seizure, sliding is the same button to jump, THAT AWFUL DINOSAUR MISSION, and this is controversial but PARTY MODE IS BORING. 3.3/10 and im not even gonna give a sentence this game is so bad. (and i just wrote an essay oops) But atleast the story and music are good BUT THATS NOT SAYING MUCH. also enjoy 7 rings in hand playing every 5 minutes

Izuka said he wanted to continue the adventure series yeah izuka confirmed sonic adventure 3 there not working on it right now he just said he wanted to continue the series but it is coming at some point watch the sonic show's video on it said there would never be a sonic adventure 3 well HA

TonySonic:17:32 "I am really beginning to think that you choose not to think when you make these videos." Me: Bruh, he is not even trying to hide that he does not put any effort into his sinning videos, since they get a lot of views regardless, just like Cinemasins. Copycat. And yes I am going to keep relating him to Cinemasins, since they both do very similar tactics for their videos and sins, including bad jokes that have nothing to do with the game/movie. TheBirdman, someone who talks about why Cinemasins "sins" are incorrect in certain movies said this well, "That's a question, not a sin." Like Jeremy, Charri REALLY needs to start understanding the difference between a sin or a question. "Simply raising a question does not make something sinful, as questions have answers that would nullify the sin. Not everything you ask needs an answer, especially when the question is irreverent to the story of a game or movie". For example, for the first "sin" of Charri, the game does not have to explain that this is Sonic house, because the rest of the game takes place in the book, and you Tony, pretty much explained why we don't see Sonic's house so often, and it's pretty obvious that we are in Sonic's house. That is probably why we see a fireplace and the other stuff, so we know. Sorry if this was a bit long, but I really needed to get that out of my chest. I have never played the game, but it looks alright, it's nowhere as bad as 06, and the other dark age games.

Cool

Please do

Alright bruh i'm gonna come out and say this, your basically just ruining his video tbh like half of your sins don't make any type of Sence like sin 15 charri is right considering he's the fastest thing alive and yet the monster is still recking shit if you really look at it sonic can't really save everyone. and like sin 16 THAT SHIT HURT HIM AINT NO WAY A SLAP ON THE WRIST HURTS LIKE THAT, and sin 17 Charri is right cause he's suppose to know who sonic is considering that he did write it and is betrayed as eggman and is cruel and ignorant he should still know who that person is, bro these sin's just don't make Sence at all it actually pisses me off abit.