Distro Dev tries Debian 12 // 3 Week Review 

Totally net install is the best, and if you need extra option's go to advanced on the first screen and select expert install.

Debian 12 has Plasma 5.27.x which is currently the latest Plasma release. They even specifically excluded Plasma from the freeze in order to allow 5.27 to make the way to Debian 12.

Yes the expert install is the way to go for most installs. But it is hidden away most people wouldn't know it was there.

I wish they made a SIG like thing that does desktop focused things, so that people could just use debian not a derivative

Things will continue to work fine, but newer hardware will not be supported and you may lose out on performance enhancements on mesa, which is not a graphics driver but sort of a middle man between things like OpenGL and Vulkan to your graphics hardware. Debian does not update mesa outside bug fixes, and so having an older version of mesa means you aren’t getting the maximum performance from your hardware.

debian doesn't get feature updates until the next stable release; just security updates. so you'll be on the same version of everything until debian 13.

You seemed to have not listened to the part of the video where I mentioned that. The issue is, when people are used to other easier installers, when they see the words "Root Password" they just aimlessly type one without reading it. That is why I pointed this out as bad ux. The problem here is you not the video.

@@PizzaLovingNerd I did listen to it. No the problem is not me, It is you! The amount of arrogance some people have (especially other developers) amazes me sometimes. If people aimlessly type things without reading it, it really doesn't matter how good your UX is. I've seen people do this on documentation (I am a software developer) that I have written. They haven't read line number one when I have had it bolded and in red. I have seen people do this constantly with other people documentation as well, so I know it isn't just my writing style. I normally force the other dev to read and follow the process and suddenly it works as intended. You literally said in the video "I only found this out because of some random youtube video" when the instruction was right there in front of you. YOU DID NOT read it and that is YOUR mistake. Not the Debian maintainers, not mine.

​@@dave7244 This is a problem that confused many beginners and experienced users alike. A better UI would be to have a checkbox on the user creation screen that says "create root user" and than have the root password screen instead of making it something that you have to skip. This is why other distros do ui/ux testing.

It confuses them because they do not read the instructions that are clearly laid out before them. Using Linux and doing anything non-trivial with the system requires reading. That includes man pages, readme files and scripts themselves. Also of these changes that you suggest requires modification and testing. Later on in the video you try an alternative installer, which you said didn't work correctly the first time. That because it hasn't been rigorously tested. I wonder what other issues remain that you were lucky enough to avoid. The default installer works correctly and reliably. I've used it numerous time without issue. So which is the better installer? The one that you liked that had the UI you approved of and didn't work. Or the one that had the UI you did not approved of that works reliably? I would argue the latter every single time.

Yes

@@PizzaLovingNerd Wow! Okay! I did not know that!

@@PizzaLovingNerd How the heck do you make a distro?

Keep the root password blank. Otherwise it doesn’t put your user in the sudoers group and you have to add it manually using “su” and than the root password.

@@PizzaLovingNerd Okay, gotcha. That's what I thought you/the person in the video said, but that just seemed so counter intuitive to me. I'll go ahead and give Debian another shot, hopefully tomorrow. Thanks for your time and help! 🙂

It’s Debian, you expect a lot of updates??

@@PizzaLovingNerd no feature updates but a lot of security updates

They shouldn’t even be compiled for amd64 tbh

@@PizzaLovingNerd that true, I'm surprised that it compiled. Some weird shit is going on there.

It helps that it's been the same installer for a long LONG time.

_they made a second one???_

I haven’t gotten one. Maybe in the future

​@@PizzaLovingNerdriscv?

artix and devuan for systemd haters like me

@@leonbishop7404 Alpine, MX Linux, Puppy, AntiX, Void, Gentoo..all are run with systemd by default. Peppermint has a spin based on Devuan as well.. that's all the one's I can recall, but I am sure there are more.

@@tambuchalinux true, but currently my main focus are arch and debian. just without systemd

True. But this video is a demonstration of why there need to be distros based on Debian. With greater or less success, they mitigate the problems of installing and using Debian itself. This video is aimed at the needs of the average, or beginner, desk top user, not a server administrator. And I'm glad to find that my problems with the Debian installers isn't just me.

Actually, it's confused. I'm old enough to count as archaic myself, and that website would have been bad in 1995.

@ErosPista Obliviously they can have long hair, but his other actions are girly as well.

"Let be video side" No. let be this topic side. Let be on-topic video.

@@preflex3502 🤗

have you always been a pig like this or only today?

No estás confundido. Eres tonto, pero no tonto por unos momentos, eres tonto para siempre.