Do Erratas Need to Exist? 

"old dark strike fighter could come back" is maybe the most insane take of all time

What about the banned card that were intended to be support for older archetypes? I'm all in favor of making Union carrier being only able to equip Union monsters. Or Crystron Halqifibrax only being able to summon Crystron monsters. These decks needed the support and now have to be less playable because of other deck's sins

I think it depends on the card. Pot of Greed will remain untouchable since it has retrains and it's very iconic. But would anyone really care if they errated Shock Master? The card in it's current state is completely fucked and it's not like it was ever loved by the community. Hell, they errated IO and it's still busted. And the card even has a retrain in the form of Anti-Spell that people want banned. The original Crush Card Virus was extremely frustrating to play against, and every Virus retrain has been degenerate any time they've been playable. Like idk dawg, I don't think killing a card's legacy is bad if said card leads to uninteractive game play.

Pokemon actually does the bad erratas where they just reprint an existing card with an altered effect and have the new effect override older copies. A guy legit yelled at me at my first Pokemon tournament for trying to explain that. There was no judge at the locals that week and he thought I was sharking. Also I think there are cards that will never leave the ban list because they open a can of worms that Konami does not want to adequately deal with, like Victory Dragon requiring rulings for when a player is allowed to concede a game. I don't care about those cards getting errata'd or not but I feel like the path of least resistance is to keep them banned forever.

The concept of errata is good. Konami just fucking sucks at doing it some of the time

Some instances are necessary, like how Necrovalley needed to keep up with the way the whole mechanic of the graveyard changed over the years, but for most cases, they could just make a weaker version of the banned card. Ex, Chaos Emperor Dragon still has its old effect, but they invented “chaos Prince dragon” or something. It’s especially egregious because, as evident by that master duel 2004 mini event, we’d never have an official retro event in that game with the original card text. Old ring of destruction and the current version are completely different in terms of that meta.

We need Fleur Synchon to be needed for Baronne, QuickDraw could be used to supplement it also. Current banned cards need to get a hard Once Per Turn clause on them to make them playable. Like Level Eater, Grinder, Dandylion, and Fishborg.

were sangan and witch of the black forest ruined after they were errataed to have to go from field to grave instead of just being sent to gy to activate?

There's so many cards on the game already that it's easier to make mistakes in terms of designing a balanced new card. Because the game evolves as time passes, some old cards can become broken (or bad) very easily with a new format. So, it's appropriate to errata an old card instead of creating a new one as a substitute. Cards should have their own identity, but without flaws. A good example of this is Ocean Dragon Lord - Neo Daedalus. Without its summoning restriction (some of them came without it due to a misprint), it was a broken card at that time (except Daedalus, send Umi to the GY to send all cards to the GY from both players fields and hands), but it wouldn't in today's game.

To me the concept of erratas is just weird (unless it's to fix translation mistakes and/or clarifying text like you mentioned) . Just ban the card and print a retrain with the revised effect. This is what most TCGs do so that old cards keep their legacy and new cards can actually be played. No one has an issue with this, yet for some reason YGO has to deal with this ever-growing list of cards that get reworked.

Wanna know the best thing about necrovalley? 12 erratas later the text is still fucked. Under the TCG text of valley you should be able to big welcome from grave with no issues under it.

Short Story: Yes Long Story: Barron needs Warrior Tuners.

I like to look at this game from an outside perspective because I really only started playing Master Duel two years ago. One of the things that I feel like holds it back from being even better is that I don't think they do enough of these, and some of the ones they do are pretty shit. This is coming from someone who has 0 interest in the physical game, and having more constant balance updates added to cards would be wonderful. It's something I'm used to seeing in other live service games, with the physical card game kinda holding things back. Also I don't understand the argument for "just print new cards with updated text" cause that just makes no damn sense.

There are two wolves inside Konami. One wants to ban cards, the other to errata them. They both want you to buy the new cards. This metaphor makes no sense, which is the point. Pick one method and go with it.

If a card was printed, and it was too powerful. Ban it, it can stay there and be a reminder of a time when that card was legal, and if the game speeds up and matches the banned cards power, it can come back in its original form. Erratas should not exist to nerf cards. I value the legacy of every banned card, and nerfing their effect makes it a different card all together. No matter how broken the effect, it should stay the same and they should stay banned, if the game isn't ready for them. We already have retrains, so rather than errata a card, give them a retrain.

I think some Erratas are fine. If a card is broken because it doesn't have a usage limit, it sounds like it just needed a usage limit. If every single banned card was given a hard once per turn, re-evaluate and ask if that card could come off the banlist today. That answer for almost half of them would be yes. But as long as Konami keeps making head-ass non-hard once per turn effects (or a limit to 3 like Purrely), then these issues will keep happening. If a card is still broken after a theoretical hard once per turn is added onto it, keep it the way it is and maybe one day it will be fair. Also, Dark Strike Fighter is stupid and should never come of the banlist in its original interpretation and its Errata is a huge overcorrection. DSF was NOT once per turn. Someone can find a loop, and every new card they ever make has to be evaluated on another card's sins. In the same vein, Ultimate Offering should never come back in its original interpretation. That will limit future card design. What if a deck had an infinite Normal Summon loop caused by Ultimate Offering? "It's too slow." Blah blah blah Labrynth sure fixed that issue with Normal Traps. Whose to say something won't come out that does the same for Continuous Traps?

They are rarely good. Most of the times it ruins the card, when all the had to do was wait for the effect to be power creeped. Sinister serpent, Emperor dragon, goyo, and the worst crush card, all of these just got nurtured and are almost useless. But erratas that are good are making cards once per turn when they weren't. Most of the time is better to just wait for the effect to be powered creeped

I think Erratas make sense if it clarifies the existing text and doesn't change the card. Otherwise, I think they should print a new card with the updated text. The main problem I have is that the physical cards still have the old text so it creates confusion if I'm using an older version of the card. You can't just let someone read it but you have to say "oh yeah. That text isn't right here is what it actually does". The only real solution to that problem is to forbid the old version of the card, which kinda defeats the purpose of the errata.

I love erratas, but I don't trust konami to do them correctly, so I'd rather they not. Firewall is a good example of a konami errata butcher. I think the errata should keep the identity of the card, but remove any bullsh×t exploits. If you have to sacrifice the identity to remove the exploit, then you should not errata and instead retrain. However, some cards like Firewall are too specific and complex to retrain, and you might as well just errata them. Making Firewall "once per turn" was enough to keep Firewall's identity while removing the bs loops. Locking him to Cyberse decks killed his utility. No, there is no conceivable way Firewall would have ever come off the list with the ability to infinitely summon monsters to the field. It doesn't even matter if it were to be meta or not, it's just annoying and unfun to get ftk looped. Saying old Firewall could come off the list is like saying Gumblar can come off, Firewall is Gumblar with extra steps. Personally, I don't care about the legacy of a card. It's known to be a bs enabler, and so it was banned, that's its legacy. That's pretty lame, I rather have a continued legacy where the card is still played.

Firewall loops give me war flashbacks

I find the argument to "preserve the legacy" of broken cards really weird. First off, just because the card gets erratad doesn't mean the old printings cease to exist. Another thing is that some broken cards will just become more broken over time. For those an errata is the only real chance to get them off the list. The funniest thing is how people act like an errata would be final. Konami has erratad the same cards more than once. If they want they can just reverse any errata. The main argument against erratas that I fully agree with is the fact that old printings of the card will be floating around and can cause confusion.

I'm all for preserving old prints in the banlist and retraining them instead of errataing them.

Modern Erratas is the worst Konami has done with Yu-Gi-Oh! Just make a new card with the Nerf'd Errata effect.

A general errata I kinda like/would like to see more of is the ones that encourage you to play it in the intended deck. I THINK Beatrice was meant to send BA cards to grave, not be summoned more easily by VW and lock you out of the game. Or search 4 Fairies in Drytron. Or help you summon Tear boss monsters. Rather see a card stick around in some way than it being banned because it’s too generic. Cards like Beatrice will never not be good due to the nature of its effect. Same goes with Laval Chain, it can never come back as is. But yes, some cards like Goyo is such a shame because that card just needed a bit of a timeout and it was good.

I dislike erratas, but my reason has nothing to do with legacy or anything like this. My reason is that once a card is errata'd, we now have two different versions of the exact same card. This causes confusion between those who may not have heard of the errata, players using the reprints in older formats, and more importantly, new players coming into the game. This is even worse if a card receives multiple erratas. If you print a horribly broken card, own up to it. Don't change the effect, making every prior reprinting of the card read incorrectly, in an attempt to hide the fact that you don't think about how a card's effect can affect the game the moment it becomes available. There are just some cards that will never come off the forbidden list.

I've said this on a couple other videos regarding Errata's, but I'd like to see/think Toon Canon Soldier should get an Errata that removes its summoning sickness effect and changes the tribute burn to require the tribute of a Toon monster instead (as a sort of trade off of losing a bad effect to make a broken effect much worse) and then the card could come off the banlist while still seeing some niche use in Toons still to help close out games and synergize with Comic Hand a bit which would be cool while also keeping it from being an FTK enabler. And while sure that could be considered "Neutering the card" I don't see that as an issue here since Regular Canon Soldier and CS2 wouldn't have to also be errataed and TCS is already a sorta Toon Retrain and was only really used for FTKs because the other 2 non toon ones were banned.

I think that Goyo Guardian and erratas like that are the perfect example of how an errata should be done, or firewall if they didnt add the hopt. Let the card do exactly what it always wanted to do, but simply restrict the decks that will be able to abuse it. It prevents one of the biggest real issues in the game, the homogenization of the extra deck, and allows that card to still live in all its glory.

Goyo's errata was a general game design reason. It's a strictly better Gaia The Force of Earth in EVERY way. For the idea is that the reason to play a non-effect monster is for its big number, and Goyo is just better. I argue it needed an errata, but for an earth non-tuner, not for an earth tuner.

I dislike erratas but think that they can be at least defensible if it's for a sufficiently iconic card or strategy to be made playable and a retrain wouldn't really work (usually due to some anime reason). Crush Card I believe was only unbanned at the time it was since they were printing the Legendary Dragons from the Doma arc and leaving out Doom Virus Dragon (or making it actually unplayable) would be more of a liability. As a result, an errata to Crush Card was... Reasonable. At the time of its unbanning, the actual unnerfed effect would have still probably been too powerful. It's a bad errata but for the time period it was at least justifiable. While it is a Signer Dragon, the Signer who used it was the least important of the group and she doesn't even have a real deck yet - but AFD being banned essentially meant that Konami would never even START looking into Ruka getting legacy support. AFD's functional changes also really aren't bad erratas. Ring of Destruction also is a super iconic card both from consistent use in the anime and in meta decks for a long time, and the errata doesn't really change how it functions, it MAINLY was intended to prevent the issue of it causing draws. I don't think the stipulation of not being able to finish off the opponent with Ring of Destruction was necessarily a GOOD errata but, eh, I get it. I suppose there's also some stipulation that a card of sufficient relevance in the anime, even if it wasn't really that important of a card, that Konami wants to eventually errata it just so they can bring it back. Cards like Chaos Emperor Dragon or Firewall Dragon were never that important to the anime, but they got prominent appearances here and there so making changes to unban them is like, "I guess?" But there are plenty of anime cards of similar importance to either of those dragons that likely won't get an errata. "Cards being able to be used as designed" I'm also torn on. Having a card that was always broken stay banned is one I lean in favor of. Nerfing Chaos Emperor Dragon was dumb but if for instance token generators that were made before Links were even conceived being nerfed to have the tokens they make not be accessible as Link material wouldn't be a horrible idea. But I also don't like erratas like preventing Catapult Turtle FTKs or Cyber Blader infinite loops, mainly because those cards are actually funny (and Cyber Blader's nerf/sidegrade was made unnecessary by later rulings about how to handle infinite loops).

Goyo guardian was a great errata. The fact that the most simple ass change that made the card more in theme instead of splashable and caused it stop seeing as much play shows it was a healthy change. In the same aspect if verte required dark or plant monster suddenly it isnt as generic and not as much stuff could throw it in to splash a fusion that should never of been splashed

It’s pretty rare that Pokémon errata’s cards. I can only really think of 1 instance where they erratad a card, but that was so you could play your base set super rods. If anything the new effect made it better. Or they do an overhaul. Like all tool cards are no longer items anymore.

Duel Links has erratas of cards because of field size now, where T.G. Trident Launcher and Qliphort Genius don't have the "points to" in their texts. So Trident Launcher just summons 3 T.G. monsters from hand deck and grave not worrying about link markers.

They should reverse the errata to Chaos emperor dragon

to be honest, cards in physical form shouldn't be errata'd. Just make a new one. BUT I would like Master Duel to errata a lot of problem cards. Since on this platform it's much easier, and it is something, that every online card game does in every balancing patch. Won't happen, but I would love it.

I really hate when they errata cards. Just make new ones. By policy rules you cannot even use the old version in tournaments, unless you also bring 1 new one to show to your opoonent. The only exception is firewall dragon, because it was the protagonist's ace and needed to be legal.

Are erratas good for card legacy? No. For sure. I mean look at CED, ring of destruction, crush card virus and how much of a joke these cards are these days. That being said, old Dark Strike Fighter coming is ok? No chance! That card is the easiest FTK enabler in the game. The easiest, non-otp, extra deck-based card around. It's absolutely nuts thinking that card is even remotely ok.

My major problem with Erratas is it removes a core fundamental idea of card games, "the text on the card explains the card" I understand some of this is due to legit mistranslation which my only question is quality control on those things. Afterall one of the oldest cards Waboku has this issue and every errata was just as bad. But it also means even more knowledge of the game you have to know going into it the yugioh players dont read there cards meme gets worse here, they dont even know if the text is correct because of erratas. I cant just look at my cards and know what they do which means I have to warp my gameplay and deck construction around using 3rd party usually websites to know what the newest print of the card says and I have to remember that version because all versions are legal but have to use the current version of the text making it easy for someone new or returning to game who doesnt have this info to misplay or worse allow a misplay to happen. I think just keeping cards banned is the better option. But I also understand Konami wanting players to be able to play their cards, especially the iconic ones.

Errata'd firewall dragon was playable in MD, it could certainly see play again as soon as Konami decides to unban circular or provide more cyberse support

If Konami needs to errata a card to take it off they mess it too strong and didn’t do enough testing.

Bring back my playground legend exchange of the spirit

Erratas should only be used for clarification, kinda like what happened to necrovalley (except for the actual changes). Creating a new similar card and banning the original is 1000x better, especially when its regarding a card game that uses physical cards, which yugioh does. Erratas in for example hearthstone works, since the cards are digital and cards in your "possession" can be changed without having to buy a new one with the updated text/stats. But even in digital card games i think it should be used very sparingly and should not be something that should be expected on regular intervals.

the biggest problem is that they are not interested in "balance patching" these cards, they simply errata them once and then forget about them. even when it was first unbanned, the errata for Sinister Serpent killed it. Now? the original effect wouldnt even be good anymore. why keep it the same way? Goyo having an absolutely STUPID errata with no sign of reversing it. they seem to analyze these cards as they *were* instead of looking at the game they're bringing them into

btw IO was errata-ed and banned again... that alone speaks volumes about the quality of erratas.

I rather them have new cards then change card effect since it be confusing 2 same cards with different effects someone will have to know all cards that had errata.

"Legacy" doesn't mean anything in this context.

Erratas to boomer cards are bad Erratas to Xyz-and-after cards are good Simple as

in before "summon sorc isn't actually unbanned because the new errata and the original card are different cards" Bro it's the same damn card

I Miss red eyes Metal dragon

Problem is, Konami usually erratas cards to just nerf them instead of getting the card to work as the intended purpose.

I think having the banlist as a holding facility until the game is powercrept enough to bring cards back is a pretty bad philosophy

it all depends on how you do it, CCV and RoD erratas were horrendous and those things could have came back in their old self in due time (atp RoD is very shit, CCV would prob still be banlist worthy, but less game winning than before) people usually like erratas that allow the card to still be usable, see all the examples given in the video, some others are anime aimed, see firewall and AFD, their implications in the anime make big bucks if brought back, even if errata'ed. the basic thing is, errata what makes sense, if a card is too broken to be errata to the point you need to make it unplayable, might as well make a new card to keep the old card's legacy (see CED) some others are just unnecessary since the card would eventually be totally unplayable with its old text (see goyo guardian or and RoD). TLDR; erratas are fine as long as it doesn't murder the card's legacy or the effect is only only contextually strong to the point that it would take around 5 or so years to unban it

6:08 yeah like that Maxx c let’s get that maxx c back in our game

7:12 While Curious was legal in TCG you could still telefon FTK with Firewall Dragon. Regarding the randomness of cards coming back, the OCG dictates them and they've clearly shown over the years they can and will do whatever the fuck they want, Earth Tuner Goyo Guardian in the midst of creating Zoodiac and True Draco? yeah sure why not. Regarding respecting the Legacy, the TCG respected Envoy of The Ends legacy, by selling his errata to you as a jump promo for the last jump promo instead of unbanning it alongside the other card ending errata's. The TCG is also extremely behind on unbanning cards, useless cards like Zenmaity (provided hunter is banned this card will never be a problem again) which have waited a decade, Stratos who was strong but still waited ages to come off (only to sell product).

errata shouldnt be ruin card. what its supposed to do is make a card do what they intended to do. here an example of my own version of halqifibrax errata -> before : 2 monsters, including a Tuner If this card is Link Summoned: You can Special Summon 1 Level 3 or lower Tuner from your hand or Deck in Defense Position, but it cannot activate its effects this turn. During your opponent's Main Phase or Battle Phase (Quick Effect): You can banish this card you control; Special Summon 1 Tuner Synchro Monster from your Extra Deck. (This is treated as a Synchro Summon.) You can only use each effect of "Crystron Halqifibrax" once per turn. after : 2 effect monsters, including a crystron monster If this card is Link Summoned: You can Special Summon 1 Level 3 or lower Tuner from your hand or Deck in Defense Position, but it cannot activate its effects this turn. also, the turn this card summoned, you cannot special summon monster from extra deck, except synchro monster. During your opponent's Main Phase or Battle Phase (Quick Effect): You can banish this card you control; Special Summon 1 Tuner Synchro Monster from your Extra Deck. (This is treated as a Synchro Summon.) You can only use each effect of "Crystron Halqifibrax" once per turn. or 2 monsters, including a tuner If this card is Link Summoned: You can Special Summon 1 Level 3 or lower crystron Tuner from your hand or Deck in Defense Position, but it cannot activate its effects this turn. also, the turn this card summoned, you cannot special summon monster from extra deck, except synchro monster. During your opponent's Main Phase or Battle Phase (Quick Effect): You can banish this card you control; Special Summon 1 Tuner Synchro Monster from your Extra Deck. (This is treated as a Synchro Summon.) You can only use each effect of "Crystron Halqifibrax" once per turn. this way, halqifibrax not only being a link 2 that help synchro deck in general, it also help its own archetype as intended

yes erratas make no sense and they ruin cards

I don’t think there are people saying we need erratas, there are just people (myself included) who don’t give a shit lol

From a game design stand point errata in a physical game are bad. They can be confusing for new players and lead to a "we'll fix it later" mindset. Imo

Erratas are fine only when its taking a anime fan favorite card off the ban list because imagine bwing a vrains fan and wanting to play firewall just to find out its banned qnd probably wont come off the ban list

Erratas for physical cards suck, dimishes the joyfulness of actually owning a card that does what it has printed on it. Just print a new card who fucking cares

I think 90% of the time Erratas are terrible for the game. I remember getting into the game and buying a copy of Chaos Emperor Dragon. I didn't think it would come off the banlist but it's sick as. Then it came off the banlist and I never want to see the card again in my life

Old dsf could never come back. It took games and made the lp threshold 4k by itself. You think zelantis and accesscode otks are easy? Boyyyyy

Still to this day, Goyo Guardian has the worst errata. Card was fine in the TCG for a while, and it was fine then, and OCG thought it needed one to come back on their side of the game.

With the exception of fixing translation mistakes or clarifying card text, errata's 100% should not be done, in principle. A banned card has the possibility of coming back one day, an errata'd card ceases to exist. If they want a less broken version of a banned card in the game then that can be done without removing the possibility for the old card to come back. Maybe the original is so broken or so degenerate that it can never be allowed to come back, in which case it stays banned. Like you said, the size of the ban list is irrelevant. The only "issues" with the ban list is what cards are or aren't on it, not its size. Heck, if they're really so deadset on it being a "fixed" version of the original card they can give it the "umi" treatment by including a line of text that says that the retrain's name always counts as the original. That literally makes it an errata where they still have the option to one day bring back the original. There is exactly ONE reasonable argument in favor of erratas. And that is that when they errata a card it means that anyone who still owns the original automatically owns the new version, whereas with a retrain the old copies would still be banned and they'd need to get the new one.

Yes, erratas need to exist. The List is too big, and a good amount of banned cards just need a hard once per turn to come back. Nobody even plays traditional to give a shit about playing banned cards in the first place.

Just ban cards, don't errata them

Short answer: No. Long answer: Unless they are doing it to clarify the text, they can just print a new card. They've done it multiple times before (Yowie, all the Pot cards), they can do it again. They'd have to reprint an erratad card anyways, it's not like it makes that much of a difference to thier bottom line.

Terrible take, and his example of MTG is just wrong. MTG erratas cards all time. MTG has gatherer though, so with their oracle text system, they can have errata’d cards without ever even printing a new version. Yugioh SHOULD errata cards, but instead of bandaid fixing specific cards, they should do what MTG does and errata a huge wave of cards all at once. Like make all archetypal extra deck monsters require a monster of their archetype (make non generic). This makes them all literally the exact same power level, but not used in literally every deck. Savage requiring a rokket does nothing to dragon link, but could save a future format (like the current one with snake eye).

Just retrain the card. Nobody wants a useless version of the card back. The worst is thing like Brain Control then Change of Heart being unbanned. The old card is now completely unplayable and Change of Heart STILL ISN'T EVEN BROKEN

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Yes, erratas are good, mainly because you used cards that were the FTK issue as the majority of the argument

Erratas are good Bottom text

I wish erratas were done faster and only for cards with little game history on their backs. Like, the errata of Summon Sorcerer is fine. Who cares about this broken card anyway. But I wish it was done 1 or 2 months after its original release, as soon as Konami identified this card was not OK to be legal. The erratas of Sangan, Goyo, CED, etc. were awful. Those cards were legendary in the game, beloved between players. I would rather have them be banned forever and have Konami release a retrain with the new effect than having a new effect that makes them a shadow of what they once were.

Ok but what if Konami de-erratad cards? Like reverted them back to original text(including PSCT)? Inb4 next April Fool's Joke by Komoney.

As a DLink player, I prefer Darkness Metal being errata’d to banned, and I understand the need to update older cards. In principle, I generally disagree with the concept of erratas, but they’re often practical enough to be justified