Do Faster Discs REALLY Fly Farther??? | MYTH Busters Ep. 1 

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Drag is quadratic. Double the speed, quadruple the wind resistance. So, if you are able to throw a disc fast, a slower disc will have a lot more wind resistance and also generate too much lift. A faster disc is more aerodynamic and has less lift generation due to the smaller profile wing shape. But at higher speeds it can generate enough lift to sustain flight. Just like a slower disc can at a slower speed. This increased aerodynamics allows the faster disc to fly further, by not wasting enegy in the drag of a high profile high lift wing, A faster disc thrown to slow will not generate the lift needed to sustain flight and will begin to fall, fading to the left due to the gryoscopic forces.

Watch the Simon Lizotte video on this. If you can throw a 13 or 14 speed effectively (aka, put enough spin on release), they should fly farthest when thrown at full power compared to a 7/9. Disclaimer: It's Simon Lizotte, so very anecdotal and might not be the case for mortals.

Really need a mounted mechanical arm for these type of tests

Really creative on the name 😂

The whole problem with speed rating is that they called it "speed" rating. It should have just been called what it is: rim width. It does have a lot to do with speed, but does *not* make the disc simply fly faster - although it *does* make disc fly farther, but only if thrown correctly (not just velocity but nose angle, spin, wobble, accuracy, wind read, etc) far more than lower "speed" discs. I'm a physics nerd and have coded two different flight simulators for discs, the second of which fully went into full-blown fluid dynamics including friction coefficient of discs, turbulent vs laminar flows (which is a critical thing to understand in disc golf flight physics) and of course, this required a lot of un-learning / relearning what flight numbers actually represent. I can say, definitively, that flight numbers *are* real and *are* accurate but only if you actually understand what they mean correctly, and account for human error in determining them and marketing differences between brands. In my experience, most people (including myself for a couple of years) do not understand this - which is IMO a pretty unecessary learning curve obstacle that I hope disc makers correct in the near future. Of course, nobody actually has to learn any of this to actually be good at the sport. All you really need is experience. For those that enjoy the physics though, there's a lot there to learn and it does help quite a bit when headed to the disc shop. When asked to explain how speed rating works in the simplest way, I'd put it like this: F1 cars and a minivan can both roll down the road at 10mph with a pretty small amount of air resistance and will probably stop at a very slightly different place purely going off of momentum because at that speed drag is effectively negligble for both discs. However at faster speeds, an F1 without any acceleration (gas) will roll much, much farther - because it has far less drag even at higher velocities, and will reach the point where drag is negligible at a much higher "coasting" speed than a minivan which will continue to decelerate a lot more before "coasting". The minivan will decelerate to a certain speed until the air resistance is negligible and essentially "hold" that speed slowing down only due to friction with the road/axles at a much lower velocity. In disc golf this is where "glide" typically starts. A putter will rapidly decelerate to its "comfortable" speed and begin its glide phase, while a sharp driver will reach its comfortable "glide" speed at a much higher velocity due to lower drag. The downside is that the driver also has a proportionally higher speed at which fade will begin, which means if you're throwing the disc at launch in the middle of those two velocities, you're not going to get the full glide period, and will get a shorter distance than a slower "speed" disc where you will get the full glide phase out of it before fade. The length of glide also is directly proportional to the amount of spin, so if you can't put good spin on a disc, you're also going to see much poorer results from higher "speed" discs which naturally will start fading at a higher velocity (like 40-50mph) than slower speed discs which might only start fading at like 20mph. The deceleration period is typically seen as the "turn" phase (the turn itself caused by lift forces on the front of the disc which affect the disc at a 90 degree angle thanks to gyroscopic procession), the "gliding with neligible air resistance" phase is "glide" phase, and when the disc slows down enough just due to friction and also gravity changing the angle of attack such that the disc starts falling, exposing more disc surface area to air resistance, it will start tilting nose up due to lift forces, and turns sideways due to gyroscopic precession (fade phase), and immediately slows down and turns to the side as a result (which in turns amplifies the effect further slowed down only by angular momentum / spin). Again though, you don't really need to understand any of that. Pick up disc, throw disc. If it flies far, use it - if not, either disc down or skill up. The rest will come with practice. let me correct one thing though - the weight distribution ___is not important___. It's a myth. Period. It's not an opinion, it's basic physics. If anyone actually wants to have concrete, objective explanation on this, just ask and I'll deliver. The only thing it *might* help with is structural integrity of the disc, e.g. allowing the disc to warp its flight plate more due to centripital force "stretching" it out, which raises a discs leading edge (makes it more overstable at higher RPMs), which can dramatically affect flight characteristics especially in softer plastic, but this has far more to do with plasticity than weight distribution, and generally doesn't make a disc fly better or worse, just differently. Simple explanation is that RPM doesn't matter, angular momentum matters, and you'll get the same total angular momentum on any disc of any rim width for a given throw regardless of weight distribution. You can put 90% of weight in the center of the disc's flight plate and all other factors held constant, it would make absolutely no difference (although it'd probably feel weird as hell). We put a man on the moon, we know how this stuff works.

Idea… get a pop up structure 10’ to 20’ in front that you must throw through so that nose angle and shank are respected.

I just wanna talk about flight paths. I tend to throw more 'laser beam' lines but you and many others throw significantly higher lines. I can't wrap my head around why the higher line is better for distance, especially with a straight/hyzerish type shot like you were throwing. I can see what a big flex shot needs more room

I'm a new player, Anthony has helped me so much and that has made me a loyal infinite player. AB💰

In addition to the rim thickness (aka "wing length") the rim configuration needs to be looked at. That's how sharp the rim is. A rim cannot be any sharper than a 26, but can be over 100, which is really dull. An Emperor distance driver has a rim configuration of 28 whereas the Myth putter has a 68 rim configuration. The sharpness of the rim improves the aerodynamics of the disc, making it travel farther than a disc with a duller rim (which typically fades earlier). Lastly, the overall shape of the disc is important, as that can help determine how streamlined the disc is, and how air flows over and under it.

The JLS has a 6 speed rim but before it had flight numbers some websites we're giving it a speed 8 rating.

Now I just want to buy a Myth.

Nice video, thanks!

Someone will nitpick on some things but this at (x0.75 speed for some? ;P ) will be very informative for people just starting to see differences between their discs, either from wear or improved form. Finding one video less than 10 minutes long with all this info in it is a good start to need more discs from Infinite Discs =)

Id love to see a video of what disc speed/stability flies the farthest at specific speeds - ex. 55mph.

Test the myth of discs going farther in a tailwind. To be helpful a tailwind either has to be at least slightly from the right, or slightly from the left, but a straight tailwind just makes the disc more over stable. Wind off the left, throw backhand... off the right, throw forehand.

"The wider that rim, the more of the weight gets pushed to the outside." Oft repeated, always taken a true, but 100% the opposite of how a disc works. Simple example: Where's the thickest cross-section of a 1-speed disc? All the way out near the edge. Where's the thickest cross section of a Destroyer? About 2cm away from the edge. Real world proof: Concentrating mass near the edge increases the moment of inertia for a given weight and RPM of disc (MVP, anyone?). Moment of inertia increases the ability of a disc to fly in a straight line...so which flies straighter: a Destroyer or a Glitch?

So what you are saying is I just really need a putter and a midrange?😊

I can actually tolerate this guy on this channel

I would like to see a video on how spin effects distance

You should test these in strong headwind. Let's see which flies furthest then. I doubt your hand is fast enough above 12. Did you weigh the discs btw. Should use same weight and stability discs btw. The weight is important because if you have two discs of same shape but different weight, the lighter has more lift vs. gravity pull so it flies further unless it flips. It also affects your hand's ability to accelerate the disc to the preferred speed rating.

Slight headwind...then gotta get it up in a tail wind

Mockingbird

I max out around 430 foot now. I feel like I get proper flight path from 12 speeds but not from 90% of 13 speeds. My favorite distance driver is innova katana. Bought a pharoah and it seems promising. Flies dead straight for me.

I would really want to know if a domey disc really flies straighter than a flat disc. I know that bodanza always claims this, but what I see both in his videos and what I personally see on the course is exactly the opposite… It is probably hard to say but would still be interesting. 🤔

I’ve never thrown infinite but bondanza makes me want too

Cool video and very informative but...you weren't really maximizing distance. For example the zones were thrown on hyzer, flex shot would get far more distance.

21 seconds in. IMO: short answer, yes. Complicated answer, only if you have the power to make it so.

BODANZA! Give all of the people new to Infinite molds a run-down on plastics and stability. S-Blend, I-Blend, G, C, D, X, P? Show a side-by-side of molds and differences in their flight, and let them know why they may want a disc to beat in quickly, or keep a disc in premium plastic maintaining it's characteristics for as long as possible.

A 1/10 of cm, some people call a mm

Sup frolflings 🍌

BODANZA!!!

Maybe I am imagining it, but are you purposely slowing down your speech tempo for this video?

If you don't have arm speed for a 12 or 13 speed try a lightweight version. 160-165 grams. since its lighter its easier to get it to move faster.

I watched this video a few times because it just doesn't sit well. I dont think the explanation and the "myth busting" is done well. I think a lot of key things were not talked about, and the video just made things more muddy.

Bodanza is the best thing in disc golf outside of Jomez.

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Aerodynamics will tell you a distance driver flys farther than a fairway, midrange, or putter. That goes for any arm speed, just need a flippy enough distance driver. Plz stay in school kids, pay attention in science and maths

Please don't make a series out of obvious literally common sense things. Next up, "Does weight even matter?" and "Wind, Does it Actually Affect Anything?"