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Do Hangovers Affect Solving Ability?! 

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** TODAY'S PUZZLE **
Simon was out to dinner last night and is feeling slightly jaded today :)
In his hungover state he attempts bellsita's Bismuth - a puzzle that is far too clever for his state of mind!! What happens? You'll have to watch and see ;)
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@isabelamacedobellsita8394
@isabelamacedobellsita8394 Год назад
Thank you so much! I was not expecting to see this puzzle featured at all. The Bismuth on the title is not referring to the element, but to the mineral Bismuth. It's a beautiful and crazy looking mineral. The name was a treat to MicroStudy who had a feature recently. This puzzle was inspired by the things I discovered while setting Turquoise. Thank you again. 🥰 Shout out to Brazil!
@kathyjohnson2043
@kathyjohnson2043 Год назад
Interestingly, Bismuth is used by some as a remedy for an upset stomach when hungover. Thanks for the puzzle!
@HalfBakedLunatic
@HalfBakedLunatic Год назад
Excellent puzzle with beautiful construction. Well done!
@kevinmahlendorf4955
@kevinmahlendorf4955 Год назад
Thank you for not putting a 3 in the corner
@RicardoRibeiro1978
@RicardoRibeiro1978 Год назад
Great puzzle, great construction! Looking at it I doubted I would be able to solve it but gave it a try and eventually I did manage to finish. Row 5 took more trial and error for me than I wanted but was still a nice solve all the way through!
@davidrattner9
@davidrattner9 Год назад
Again congrats for this!! Lovely from you!! Joy to see you featured!!
@timch5227
@timch5227 Год назад
Simon asking where 2 goes in column 5 to discover the order of 3 and 7 and then just forgetting about it right after is such a classic
@bluerizlagirl
@bluerizlagirl Год назад
Why would Simon do anything the easy way, when there's a harder way? 😀
@neil2796
@neil2796 Год назад
I was just about to make a comment about this and then I read yours.
@bluerizlagirl
@bluerizlagirl Год назад
@@neil2796 Great minds think alike ..... but fools seldom have the capacity to differ 🤷🏻‍♀
@chrisg6597
@chrisg6597 Год назад
As well as expanding the 2 logic further and finding the same problem with 8.
@corozal987
@corozal987 Год назад
I was just about to say something along the same lines.. classic
@asktheraccoon
@asktheraccoon Год назад
Just imagine Simon as a Sherlock Holmes, scanning you from head to toe, missing the fact that you wear glasses and your left leg is missing, still able to tell that you work at a certain place because of that shadow under the palm of your right hand, deducing your name from the way you pronounce the letter "i"... and then wondering why he told you all that and go about his other stuff. I'll never get tired of those rocket scientist to goldfish moments. You're a treasure we'll protect to infinity.
@emdiar6588
@emdiar6588 Год назад
As analogies go, that is both stunningly accurate and beautifully illustrative.
@asktheraccoon
@asktheraccoon Год назад
@@emdiar6588 thank you :)
@FrederiChoppin
@FrederiChoppin Год назад
45:13 I was thinking about it differently. The 8 in r4c6 makes the blue line already add up to 13. Therefore r5c6 can't be 7 anymore, because it forces the yellow cells to add up to 12, which breaks the rule for the blue line.
@bluerizlagirl
@bluerizlagirl Год назад
There was also an easier way to rule 4-5-6 out of the middle boxes, using the magic square. The only way to make three fifteens with different digits is to take three rows or three columns -- you cannot take a diagonal and leave behind any more ways to make 15. But would that have made the video more or less fun? Some viewers hang around just to see how long it's going to take Simon to notice something after they have spotted it .....
@bucs319
@bucs319 Год назад
I was begging for him to just look at the blue line in the middle box. It's easy to forget about it tho if you go down the route he did of using the middle 3 digits to calculate the total instead of the blue line itself. I get lost in using additional logic to solve a rule that I miss using the rule itself. something about forest and trees
@khoozu7802
@khoozu7802 Год назад
I would ask where can we put digit 2 in row 5, yes only in box 6, and it forces R4C8=4, then where can we put digit 4 in row 5, yes only in box 4
@Mn0ty
@Mn0ty Год назад
25:00 Simon notices he needs to change 3's and 7's places to allow a 2 on the collum, but then doesn't notice that the only thing that change of placing enables concerning the 2 on the collum is being able to put 1-4 on the 7 line instead of a 2-3. Clasical Simon noticing the difficult, but not the obvious haha.
@LardoCulo
@LardoCulo Год назад
Classical Simon 😂
@Seriously_Unserious
@Seriously_Unserious Год назад
Well, the show is called Cracking the CRYPTIC, NOT Cracking the OBVIOUS. 🤣
@Paolo_De_Leva
@Paolo_De_Leva Год назад
@@Seriously_Unserious 🤣
@awilliams1701
@awilliams1701 Год назад
Simon: This doesn't work because you can't put 2 in C5. Also Simon: Who cares about 2 in C5. LMAO
@Bunny-sl5yi
@Bunny-sl5yi Год назад
I try not to drink too often but I would love to have drinks with Simon. That would be so much fun!
@longwaytotipperary
@longwaytotipperary Год назад
Ditto!
@studgerbil9081
@studgerbil9081 Год назад
The more I watch these solves the more stunned I am by the people who set them. I would love videos of the puzzles that couldn't be solved by ctc. The process is every bit as important as the solution and you can learn a ton by struggle and failure as well.
@JASPACB750RR
@JASPACB750RR Год назад
Bigger problem with the center row being 9,5,7 is it makes the line total 12. And the line total for box 5 is already at 13 without the 3rd digit being counted. It was a simple deduction once the 8 went in r4c6. Had nothing to do with the 2,4 pair on the black dot in c8.
@RichSmith77
@RichSmith77 Год назад
It was also possible to rule out the 9,5,7 option seven minutes earlier, when he first looked at it. It was already impossible to make the central part of the blue line sum to 12, even before 8 was placed in box 5. You needed 7 more, but 6-1, 5-2 and 3-4 were all ruled out.
@markbennet9058
@markbennet9058 Год назад
@23 mins - Simon not remembering the 23 logic from box 2 to apply in box 8: welcome to my world.
@markbennet9058
@markbennet9058 Год назад
And indeed logic in col 5 for resolving another ambiguous assignation ...
@fayme1
@fayme1 Год назад
I am so impressed by Simon and Mark. Even with a hangover, Simon is able to solve this faster than me. (Although, I am smugly sitting here enjoying that he took a while to notice his 456 triple in column 5 needed a 5 in the middle. 😊)
@inspiringsand123
@inspiringsand123 Год назад
Rules: 04:36 Let's Get Cracking: 06:53 Simon's time: 41m29s Puzzle Solved: 48:22 What about this video's Top Tier Simarkisms?! The Secret: 4x (07:08, 07:39, 07:43, 07:47) Bobbins: 3x (30:29, 39:41, 42:02) Three In the Corner: 2x (05:32, 05:34) And how about this video's Simarkisms?! Ah: 13x (15:31, 15:46, 15:48, 18:17, 18:17, 20:07, 26:15, 30:29, 33:13, 33:37, 33:37, 37:20, 39:35) Hang On: 12x (11:23, 11:28, 11:32, 13:44, 29:29, 31:04, 38:56, 41:15, 41:37, 41:37, 41:37, 41:43) Beautiful: 9x (00:59, 01:36, 16:10, 16:10, 33:37, 33:42, 33:45, 49:20, 49:22) Sorry: 8x (00:20, 07:28, 11:32, 11:32, 13:27, 21:00, 27:11, 42:49) Good Grief: 5x (29:34, 31:01, 33:37, 41:13, 44:49) Obviously: 5x (18:35, 20:58, 21:00, 24:09, 27:58) Brilliant: 4x (01:06, 01:13, 48:23, 48:25) Clever: 3x (44:55, 45:28, 48:48) Lovely: 3x (19:18, 24:34, 45:56) Symmetry: 3x (01:41, 01:49, 02:04) Goodness: 2x (41:24, 46:10) By Sudoku: 2x (35:31, 43:49) Wow: 2x (25:00, 32:32) Fabulous: 2x (49:32, 49:32) Useless: 1x (30:10) Naked Single: 1x (45:53) Horrible Feeling: 1x (43:47) Elegant: 1x (45:16) Ridiculous: 1x (22:02) Come on Simon: 1x (25:46) Shouting: 1x (43:54) Approachable: 1x (03:34) Masterpiece: 1x (01:38) Think Harder: 1x (26:46) Stunning: 1x (49:08) In Fact: 1x (14:20) Whoopsie: 1x (35:47) Progress: 1x (25:50) Unstuck: 1x (26:33) What Does This Mean?: 1x (18:06) Pencil Mark/mark: 1x (35:58) Most popular number(>9), digit and colour this video: Fifteen (20 mentions) One (105 mentions) Green (15 mentions) Antithesis Battles: Even (25) - Odd (23) Black (9) - White (8) Row (12) - Column (7) FAQ: Q1: You missed something! A1: That could very well be the case! Human speech can be hard to understand for computers like me! Point out the ones that I missed and maybe I'll learn! Q2: Can you do this for another channel? A2: I've been thinking about that and wrote some code to make that possible. Let me know which channel you think would be a good fit!
@TheObloINATOR777
@TheObloINATOR777 Год назад
3 BOBBINS COME ONN
@Hagurmert
@Hagurmert Год назад
What is this my guy Thanks for this so I can skip to the puzzle right away lol
@Seriously_Unserious
@Seriously_Unserious Год назад
8 times for "sorry" is Simon practicing for a move to Canada? Well, Simon, if you do decide to become Canadian, we'll all thank you and say please do, you're more then welcome here! And if you say "no" all of Canada will cry out in a collective "Bobbins" and sing "Bittersweet Me"
@boivie
@boivie Год назад
First he realizes there is no place for a 2 in column 5, and then not using that fact for placing the 2.
@JohnRandomness105
@JohnRandomness105 Год назад
23:40 The middle column is of interest. It resolves a couple issues. 27:40 It sounds as if Simon is converging onto the middle column. 37:20 Is it possible to exclude 9 from the middle orange cells, to make them 175? (I wonder if I made a mistake here, that just happened to give me the right answer anyway.) This was the step that cracked the puzzle open, for me. 39:10 Once 9 is forced into the orange cells, place 9 in block 6. That makes the middle section of the blue line add to more than twelve with only two digits. 43:50 Re: shouting. I could shout at the screen, though. The middle section of the blue line determines the sum. 44:50 The middle block line adds to thirteen plus the empty cell. So to get twelve, one would have to put -1 into that empty cell. 45:20 "More elegant"? "Parity deduction"? Sorry, but I couldn't help laughing through my teeth. It made a hissing sound. The END: Basic maths: the hard thing about basic maths is knowing *when* to add, and figuring out *what* you have to add. It does get complicated at times.
@emilywilliams3237
@emilywilliams3237 Год назад
As before, there are common constraints here which I understand and have solved puzzles with them before - but they take on some new dimensions in this particular puzzle. Thank you, Simon, for a lovely video and solve!
@gregresnik1830
@gregresnik1830 Год назад
45:16 : The more elegant way he is searching for is the fact that if r5c6 is 7 the blue line in the middle is broken. Each 3 digit sequence on the blue line must add up to 12 and the middle 3 digits on the blue line are already at 13. But he's hungover....
@Nevir202
@Nevir202 Год назад
22:38 actually it has to be the 1,4 pair, because if it isn't you end up with an X-wing of 2s in boxes 2 and 8, forcing 2 into col 5 in box 5, where it can't go as it is full of 4,5,6. The 1.4 pair does the same with 4, but 4 is already there, so there is no issue. EDIT: And as usual, he got to the same conclusion by completely different means lol.
@alexneckoyami
@alexneckoyami Год назад
I love the Tom lehrer aside at the start. Im a fan of a lot of his songs seems he seems like he's such a good dude. Right up there with reciting bits of the raven, another thing that will never fail to delight❤
@LiquorStoreJon
@LiquorStoreJon Год назад
Glad you made it to your gathering last night - hope you get a nice nap in after this solve!
@johnh2052
@johnh2052 Год назад
Simon begins examining the middle line around 39:15, wondering if it could be a 79-pair in box 5. He looks at boxes 4 and 6, but never box 5, where it fails immediately. :) Note: Even at 44:50, when he figures 79 can't work, he ignores the simple case. Using 79, the lines must be 12 each, but box 5's total is _already_ higher than that.
@chris5619
@chris5619 Год назад
I was surprised I didn't see anyone else mentioning this in the comments and you only added this a few hours ago, well after the video was published.
@wanderlustwarrior
@wanderlustwarrior Год назад
41:03 for me. Coloring odds and evens helped a lot!
@kathyjohnson2043
@kathyjohnson2043 Год назад
Interestingly, I think Bismuth is used by some as a hangover cure for an upset stomach.
@jstraight1667
@jstraight1667 Год назад
That was the most English "I got drunk last night" I have ever heard
@draquillin
@draquillin Год назад
The more elegant way to spot the 45:15 deduction is to note that the box 5 portion of the line has stuff that adds to more than 12 already
@ingiford175
@ingiford175 Год назад
Was seeing if someone mentioned that, 8+5 > 12, no need for fancy parity deduction
@aperrett66
@aperrett66 Год назад
I can't be the only one who looked at the grid and immediately thought "damn, no 3 in the corner."
@georgeaman1938
@georgeaman1938 Год назад
Thank you bellsita and Simon! What a nice puzzle! I appreciated the logic behind column 5 and blue lines.
@bertandus
@bertandus Год назад
This is the first time that i had a relativly different solvepath. As soon as i noticed that the middle 3 squares of R2/R8 had to contain 2 evens, i went on full parity coloring the whole grid. That enabled me to faster make sense of the middle blue line. Very nice sudoku indeed 🙂
@EnderW33
@EnderW33 Год назад
At about 43 minutes Simon asks if there’s an easier way to break into the middle blue line rather than bifurcating. The answer is yes. It’s the nature of the blue line! You’ve already found an 8 and a 5 in the middle section. That 13, meaning meaning 3-1-8 for the left hand side is no longer possible because that only adds up to 12.
@RichSmith77
@RichSmith77 Год назад
At 38:45, the (7)-5-(9) option being looked at doesn't work because of the equal sum line in box 5. You've already worked out the equal sum line total would be 12. It already has a 5 on it in box 5. The other two cells would need to total 7. But they cannot be 6-1, 5-2 or 3-4.
@Coyotek4
@Coyotek4 Год назад
36:38 ... Apart from some slightly convoluted logic to figure out certain pairs of digits in Box 5, I thought I did rather well on this one. Nice puzzle!
@benjaminrealy5661
@benjaminrealy5661 Год назад
39:34. Was a great mental workout with a lot of figuring out what couldn't go there as opposed to what goes there.
@mickwoolley8267
@mickwoolley8267 Год назад
It was sublimely silly that, after professing to being a little hungover, Simon sang Tom Lehrer's periodic table song fluently, then couldn't immediately fill in the 5 in the centre. Superb solving as always, of course - thanks Simon, I was much entertained by the whole video.
@th.nd.r
@th.nd.r Год назад
Such an intricately designed puzzle! Great setting and solving, love to see the Brazilian bellsita get channel features!! I’ve been a fan of Brazil ever since I did a project on the country in 3rd grade, so it’s cool to see my world connect with Brazil in more and more ways. Favorite quote from today’s video: - “obviously obvious” 20:50
@KnittingbyPhrancko
@KnittingbyPhrancko Год назад
Once he got the 8 in R4C6 at 41:19, he already knew the total for that sum line was either 12 or 15. He missed the knowledge bomb that 8 + 5 = 13 and 13 is greater than 12. So the total had to be 15, which would put a 2 in R4C4. I was yelling that for 5 minutes before he finally put that 2 there by other means.
@skid68
@skid68 Год назад
So fun when Simon talked about why a 2 can't go anywhere in column 5 then 3min later forgot it so he cant figure out what go in row 7 box 8 :)
@georgewhyte7096
@georgewhyte7096 Год назад
Enjoyed 25 minutes of clever deductions, well done Bellsita. Simon is off form today but I always like to watch him suffer after I have solved the puzzle.
@andremouss2536
@andremouss2536 Год назад
For info : Bismuth is the last element (atomic number Z = 83) to have stable isotopes. The next element, Polonium (discovered by Marie Curie) has no stable isotopes, and their half-life is rather short (compared to Uranium or Thorium). It had been rather troublesome, for odd numbers of protons and/or neutrons in the nucleus tend to affect its stability. However recent studies showed that the Bismuth isotopes which were taken for being stable are in fact instable but with a very long half-life (more than 10.000 billions years) and this is the reason why that hasn't been detected earlier.
@nicosempanda
@nicosempanda Год назад
45:12 an easier way to see this is asking where does 2 go in row 5? It must be in columns 7,8,9. Therefore R4C8 must be 4, and the 4 in row 5 must go in R5C2 or R5C3, together with the 8.
@toddbiesel4288
@toddbiesel4288 Год назад
The easiest way to show that removing 258 or 456 from the set of digits 1-9 cannot leave six digits which can be divided into two groups of three digits which each add to 15 is to use the magic square. All 15 sums are indicated, whether they be horizontal, vertical, or diagonal. But the 258 and 456 are diagonal sums, either of which, if removed from the magic square, would leave no three-in-a-row remaining.
@MrRys
@MrRys Год назад
you had 5 8 on the middle blue line, if you put 9 5 7 in the middle row, the sum would have to be 12, but it already was 13
@groovinhooves
@groovinhooves Год назад
At 24 minutes or so was a good time to remember we were worried about where does 2 go in column 5...?
@alandwells
@alandwells Год назад
It's obviously called Bismuth due to its inclusion in the popular hangover tonic Pepto-Bismol that bellsita must have known in advance Simon required during this solve
@juliadefranco1130
@juliadefranco1130 Год назад
When Simon was figuring out the middle line near the end, he missed that while it's possible to make 12 in box 4, it's not possible to make a 12 in box 5, given the digits that are already placed.
@dranben
@dranben Год назад
If you're familiar with some chess concepts, missing that the 5 and 8 in box 5 made 7 in r5c6 impossible, felt very much like horizontal blindness. It's right there the whole time but the tunnel vision on a certain direction the puzzle takes you makes it very hard to spot.
@ericpraline1302
@ericpraline1302 Год назад
Good one, thanks, a tougher mental workout than I was expecting. Probably I missed a shortcut. Alas I cannot blame too many tipples.
@IamLeFishe
@IamLeFishe Год назад
I’m amazed of how British that hangover sounded
@peetey897
@peetey897 Год назад
Clicked immediately due to the title LOL
@dannstarrjp
@dannstarrjp Год назад
44 min for me! Great puzzle for beginning to the end, not a monstrously hard break in but had to do some maths in the beginning
@Swisswavey
@Swisswavey Год назад
25 minutes here, really liked this puzzle. Thanks for sharing it
@flobiish
@flobiish Год назад
@44:34 "This would be twelve." There's already thirteen on the line in box 5. Just an easier way to spot this step.
@RicardoRibeiro1978
@RicardoRibeiro1978 Год назад
Simon, being from Portugal I can confidently say that there is no such thing as too much Port!
@widgetb
@widgetb Год назад
What an enthralling puzzle!
@davidblake6889
@davidblake6889 Год назад
Great puzzle, again! Thanks to both Simon and bellsita. Got stuck on noticing the 1/2,8/9 possibilities on the white dot in box 9 forcing the 129 onto the line in box 7. Once I got that from the video, I managed to finish it.
@Syfes
@Syfes Год назад
36:06 really liked this one, definitely not a straightforward solve but not too difficult once you wrap your head around it
@EmonEconomist
@EmonEconomist Год назад
This one took me 79:22 - not gonna lie, it was a challenge but I'm glad I stuck through it!
@barrydavies2977
@barrydavies2977 Год назад
I spent so long shouting 22222 for the middle column and row, I sounded like a train coming through.
@LednacekZ
@LednacekZ Год назад
42:17 for me. i struggled a bit with this one. it did not flow naturally for me.
@Sponsie1000
@Sponsie1000 Год назад
the first time l tried this puzzle l got really fixated on odd/even parity and my notes became very confusing and overwhelming due to that. The second try l kept it neater and it paid off! Column 5 was really crucial to fully get through the puzzle
@stevesebzda570
@stevesebzda570 Год назад
@26:31 Simon wondering if it's Sudoku or something? (To "get unstuck," he says) Put in the remaining digits down col5 Look there. It's a 1289. It gives you a 1 in r3c5 , a 29 pair in box8 (col5) and an 8 in col5row5 [Which tells you how that 15 total goes up there] And gives you a 234 triple in row1 (making a 57 pair in box3). Lots a' things, Simon. Throw in some remaining digit pencilmarks sometime. [I think that's "1289" in those remaining digits up col5] ?? Lol 😂👍😎☕️☕️
@piarittersporn
@piarittersporn Год назад
What a wonderful and brilliant puzzle.
@darreljones8645
@darreljones8645 Год назад
Even while hung over, Simon solved this puzzle several minutes faster than the Times' cryptic.
@frankthompson9630
@frankthompson9630 Год назад
I managed this one in 26:14, which I think is my best ever time relative to Simon (and one of the rare 5-10% where I beat him at all)! I choose to ignore the influence of alcohol. :)
@CrankyOtter
@CrankyOtter Год назад
44:06 “Obvious” weakness is 8+5 in central box on sum line means sum must be at least 8+5+1 so can’t be 12
@martincollins11
@martincollins11 Год назад
I for some reason got through the whole puzzle and then seemed to think the small lines were renbans at the end 😅 very silly on my part but the puzzle had lots of lovely logic 😊
@davidrattner9
@davidrattner9 Год назад
Glad you had a wonderful time last night Simon to celebrate saint Patrick's day eve! 🙂
@six_5000
@six_5000 Год назад
As a full blown alcoholic myself, I maintain my stance the mr. Anthony has not a scooby doo what a true hangover or night of heavy drinking is. Prove me wrong. Come at me bro
@mikepictor
@mikepictor Год назад
Weird, I never once used the clue in the R9C1, I guess it's just there for symmetry
@RichSmith77
@RichSmith77 Год назад
Yes, I don't think Simon used it either. I don't remember, but I don't think I did.
@AnElt999
@AnElt999 Год назад
I'm watching ctc for maybe 1-1,5 years and never knew about Simon's color blindness (except messing around with pink and purple)
@cruxofthecookie
@cruxofthecookie Год назад
I've been watching for 3x as long and also had no idea ;)
@srwapo
@srwapo Год назад
38:28, I'm SHOCKED I got the break in, and it wasn't easy after that. I COULDN'T do this one drunk, haha.
@Gonzalo_Garcia_
@Gonzalo_Garcia_ Год назад
21:29 for me. I struggled a little bit today, needed some trial and error specially in box 5. Anyways, interesting idea!
@francoisduez601
@francoisduez601 Год назад
It took me 35:46 while being perfectly sober, I think I would have struggled a lot to find the break-in otherwise... 🍷🍸🍹
@majedal-baghl4917
@majedal-baghl4917 Год назад
"That's obviously obvious." 20:58
@HunterJE
@HunterJE Год назад
He at least circled back relatively quickly this time but every time Simon pencil marks a triple on a three cells connected by white dots without just filling in the middle cell with the middle value I get another white hair
@Paolo_De_Leva
@Paolo_De_Leva Год назад
Very quick and effective disambiguation of the *37* pair in *column 5* using incredible intuition 👏👏👏👏👏 I guess I need to start drinking Porto 🤣 because I was unable to disambiguate without horribly long bifurcation... 😩 Simon's trick to disambiguate the *37* pair seems to me quite hard to figure out. Is there anyone who found a more easily approachable way to obtain the same result?
@RichSmith77
@RichSmith77 Год назад
Afraid my way was more or less the same as Simon's. You can figure out that the 3 is between 2&4, and 7 is between 6&8, and the central three in c5, box 5 are 456. Whichever box you make the one with the 3, the 2 in c5 will have to go in the other box (boxes 2&8), above or below the 7. (Similarly with 8 going in the opposite box to 7 in c5.) You can also work out you need 5 more on the blue line with the 7 ((45-6-7-8)/2-7), and 15 more on the blue line with the 3. Then, unfortunately, I think the only way forward is to notice you cannot also use the 2 in the box with the 7 to make that 5, so it will have to be 1+4. And the given 1 fixes which box this has to be. I confess, I did something similar to Simon and put the 3 and 7 in the grid one way round to follow through the logic, though, knowing they may eventually be the other way round. I guess it's a type of bifurcation. I always think there's different degrees of bifurcation though, and one where you can retain the logic by reversing something isn't as bad as the blind guessing bifurcation, where if it breaks you've learnt nothing other than the first digit was wrong.
@Paolo_De_Leva
@Paolo_De_Leva Год назад
@@RichSmith77 Thank you. Your experiment with *3* and *7* may be a perfectly valid example of the *placeholder-digits* notation technique. Provided that you focus only on the two blue lines and the three consecutive dots between them until you reach disambiguation (eventually using only for disambiguation the clues that make the difference between the first and the last three rows), you will never need to go back to the beginning of the logic *fork prong* you explored. Since you know the transformation from one configuration to the other, you will never need to explore the other one. In this case, the transfomation cannot be considered to be a backward _"reversing"_ logic step. It should be considered to be a sideways step. *As you know,* this trick considerably simplifies your notation and can be frequently used to speed up the solve of many different kinds of CTC puzzles, although Simon and Mark tend to underestimate its power and often choose not to use it (I explain this for others who might not have read my previous messages about this topic).
@joelstevens5670
@joelstevens5670 Год назад
I’m not sure how much use this will be now but if you realise that a) there must be both a 2 and an 8 in the even cells in boxes 2 and 8 and b) the same applies in column 5 then what you have is a formation which rules out 2 and 8 from any other cells in those boxes. Then 7 cannot go in box 2 or the line would total at least 14, whereas we know 7 goes on the line adding to 12. Hope that helps. It definitely isn’t the easiest to see but it’s very clever.
@bluerizlagirl
@bluerizlagirl Год назад
Thinking of oscilloscope traces, would "Laboratory drawer (12)" be a fair crossword clue for "Oscilloscope" ? Or even "It's often kept in the laboratory drawer! (12,5)" for "Oscilloscope probe" ?
@highpath4776
@highpath4776 Год назад
dont think so, I think you need to make it some kind of anagram or letters contained in the clue
@chipsounder4633
@chipsounder4633 Год назад
Excellent linear logic, loved the break-in to get the 5 then the kropki in box 1 couldn't have 89 on it. 👏👏👏 Could that have been a fog of war puzzle? (6/5 difficulty alert😁)
@EelcoWind
@EelcoWind Год назад
37:55 ... No hangover, though... Drunk! *hic*
@Raven-Creations
@Raven-Creations Год назад
That was beautiful. The way the top and bottom lines had to have a 37 pair at their centres, which forced a 456 on the dots in C5 was lovely. The 3 would be vertically surrounded by an 8 and a 19, and the 7 by a 2 and the other 19. This meant that the 7 could not be at the top, because the 7 is associated with a line sum of 12, so it would need five in the two peaks. If the 7 were at the top, the peaks couldn't be 14, because of the given 1, or 23 because the 2 would be next to the 7. It's a shame you got this by bifurcating, albeit unintentionally. You used the 2 from the 1289 quad in C5 to make this deduction, but then, probably because you'd not arrived at your deduction logically but by a chance observation, you completely failed to realise that it did so much more. You therefore pencil-marked 6789s in R1C4/6 when they could only be 69, and you pencil-marked 1234 into R7C4/6 when they could only be 14. Your whole solve was so much messier because of this. For instance, the deduction that the white dot in box 1 was 234 was by another bifurcation, whereas if you'd approached it properly, you'd have known that R1C5=8, R3C5=1, and R1C4/6 were a 69 pair. You again bifurcated by pencil-marking 28s into R5, but you could have eliminated this in your head and avoided the bifurcation accusation. Using triangular numbers, the range of the equal sums on a long line was 11-19. This was useful to eliminate some of the possibilities for R5, and enabled the solution to emerge more easily. This was much more beautiful than your solve suggested, with a very smooth and cleverly set path. Your unwillingness to use sudoku except in extremis really is silly, particularly since you used to be good at it. When you miss the logical path laid by the setter because of this pathological condition, you're both disrespecting them, and missing out on their beautiful work. If you want fewer unkind comments, do sudoku whenever you can. I'm getting sick of hearing "oh it's sudoku, I bet you've all been shouting at me", or "it's outrageous making me do sudoku", neither of which is funny.
@smylesg
@smylesg Год назад
Simon usually finds math deductions faster than I do, but he should see you can't put 456 across box 2 or 8 because there's no way to split up the remaining digits into two groups of 15 using three digits each. Must be the booze.
@Shippochi
@Shippochi Год назад
He basically had it too! He had just said that the remaining digits in the row must be comprised of triples divisible by 6, which 15 isn't. If only he'd followed that logic one step further!
@andrewgrant6516
@andrewgrant6516 Год назад
You should film yourself going up in a plane without oxygen and trying to solve a sudoku as you get hypoxia. That would be epic.
@RichSmith77
@RichSmith77 Год назад
You think Maverick would be up for it? A new side channel, Sudoku Extreme, where Simon solves puzzles in various positions of distress. Lion enclosure at a zoo; or may be whilst strapped to a knife throwers spinning target.
@Alaric11
@Alaric11 Год назад
Wow 4 starting digits, this one must be super easy.
@raysouth1952
@raysouth1952 Год назад
Lovely puzzle, again! Beyond my skill level but great to watch, especially since there were some nice opportunities to do a bit of shouting at the screen.
@ServantOfSatania
@ServantOfSatania Год назад
18:06 For me, though I had to restart after putting 59 as a 15 sum so I can confirm drowsiness certainly affects solving ability
@RoderickEtheria
@RoderickEtheria Год назад
Simpler question, what added to 5 and 8 will get you to exactly 12?
@MichaelLamparty
@MichaelLamparty Год назад
Sometimes you have to have a little non-puzzle related fun. Also, even hung over you did a pretty good rendition of Lehrer's element song. I haven't watch the solve yet, so we will see how you did with that.
@ukdavepianoman
@ukdavepianoman Год назад
I wish Simon would remove the colouring once he has put in the options e..g at 21:53. It serves no purpose at all except to distract, obscure. Tricky puzzle - very clever logic. I think Simon did pretty well considering the quantities of port he had imbibed (I know the next-day feeling...). However, convoluted logic to put 89 in R1C5...C5 already has 34567, so all remaining cells in C5 are 1289...R1C5 can't be 1 or 2...so must be 89. In fact it must be 8 due to 29 pair in C5 in box8.
@Rach881101
@Rach881101 Год назад
28:45 for me. Nice puzzle!
@Lynvbgy
@Lynvbgy Год назад
I love hungover Simon. I'm sad he's in this state, but i probably can't solve most puzzles stone sober so....theres that 😅
@Bismuth9
@Bismuth9 7 месяцев назад
Good puzzle name
@tabularasa0606
@tabularasa0606 Год назад
Yes they do.
@mostman
@mostman Год назад
Column 5, column 5, column 5, column 5, column 5, column 5. If anyone walked in the room while I was watching this, they may question what’s wrong with me.
@IsYitzach
@IsYitzach Год назад
In your rules, to get more on a line, you could have said, "Digits along a blue line sum to the same value in each 3x3 box the line passes through, eg S=r2c1+r2c2+r2c3 S=r1c4+r2c5+r1c6 S=r2c7+r2c8+r2c9." Then the first 2 sums would be on line 7, the third sum would be line 8, and the short line would have been line 9 instead of line 7. What you did is valid, but I think this would look better.
@saiyanprince989
@saiyanprince989 Год назад
8+5=13 and here is a knowledge bomb for you, 13 is bigger than 12.
@adrianhead6272
@adrianhead6272 Год назад
Difficult to say... Simon takes too long much of the time as it is. Completed in 14m03s.
@phuybrechts6875
@phuybrechts6875 Год назад
8+5+X in box 5 is higher than 12 , so the line is not 841
@_-_-Sipita-_-_
@_-_-Sipita-_-_ Год назад
23:03 for me. nice
@jayyamaki3869
@jayyamaki3869 Год назад
83:12 for me sans hangover!🎉
@theredstoneengineer6934
@theredstoneengineer6934 Год назад
31:37 for me
@BryanLu0
@BryanLu0 Год назад
The comments tell me that yelling about 2 and 8 in column 5 is not going to get Simon to notice it 😢
@stevesebzda570
@stevesebzda570 Год назад
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