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Do I NEED A Lab Scope In My Shop?!

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It's a hot topic, I know. Almost as debatable as "am I a technician or a mechanic?" In my opinion the lab scope is very necessary and can save you loads of time diagnosing a problem as I demonstrate in this video checking cam to crank correlation in this video. The only other way that can be done is by removing the timing covers. Let me know what you think! -Enjoy!
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@jW-xz7sr 5 лет назад

I’m not a auto tech. I work around heavy industrial applications. I use a old fluke 123/003. For me it’s a great tool because I can see more and replace very expensive parts with almost 100% accuracy and confidence . Owning a scope forced me to learn and understand most everything at a much higher level. I plan to buy a Pico and learn even more. No,I won’t make a red cent using it, but that’s ok. I love to learn and it make me feel just plain good. When co worker give me a hard time about all the money I spend on tools I tell them it’s better then a crack habit. This is what floats my boat and back off. They back off really fast when they realize they don’t know jack and I might be a good guy to know if they ever need technical advise. Yes a good tech should own or plan to own a scope and get good with it. Electronics are only gonna get faster and more complex.

@markm0000 10 месяцев назад

It’s been 4 years you’re probably already owning a diag service business after buying a Pico lol. Very few mechanics even want to use the one in the shop, almost none can master it to solve problems.

@stuzman52 6 лет назад

It would be a good idea Eric to show some stuff about the Pico such as hookup, some settings, etc. to your audience as a lot of people are new to them and would want to learn more. And of course they would be more comfortable with their purchase of a new scope. And in this modern world of today, yes, a scope is a requirement. I would say go for the educational videos!

@SouthMainAuto 6 лет назад

I am starting to see that... it has my wheel s turning in my head now :)

@stuzman52 6 лет назад

It's like that movie that Kevin Costner played in called 'Field of Dreams', where a message was, "Build it and he will come." In this case, "build it and THEY will come." :))

@Sandbag1300 6 лет назад

Eric, be careful here. The PicoScope Channel videos are really dry and boring. That channel has only 2.9K subscribers after several years. Stay with what you are doing and call attention to the current SMA Playlist of videos that have a Pico or other scope in them. These videos have much higher views than any PicoScope Channel dedicated video.

@autotech1467 6 лет назад

It would be a huge deal for you to guide us through start to finish (what/when to look up wiring diagram, hook scope up, adjust it) in a real world setting.

@throttletherapy9998 6 лет назад

I will be buying a pico scope this year and the learning curve begins , but if you could do some more detailed videos that would be great. I'm currently subscribed to scannerdanner website and that has been a tremendous help. By the way I'm doing a timing chain and actuator on a 2010 equinox 3.0 p0017 103, 000 on the clock . Love your channel, thanks

@junkyota 6 лет назад

Most people in shops dont care and arent willing to learn how to troubleshoot things properly. I work with several people like that now, that actively fight me when i try to teach them, yet they are always surprised when they throw parts at things and it still doesnt work. They make fun of me when i pull my scope out and tell me its a waste of time, but hey, have fun with that comeback.

@jasonc.4683 6 лет назад

People like that are honestly jealous of u and pure haters. Keep doing what u doing my friend. That's what separates the men from the boys and technicians from parts changers. I go through the same stuff my friend. God bless

@Thunderroad8517 6 лет назад

Jason Chavez yes many of us go through it. I want to learn more about this stuff but my service writer thinks she’s a mechanic and thinks we can diagnose anything in .5. We are not trusted or respected.

@toddthompson1970 6 лет назад

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@toddthompson1970 6 лет назад

That was a accident now that I'm texting let me say I like the channel an really like the Pico videos thanks 4 posting

@abdouliejallow7642 5 лет назад

hide your knowledge dont teach them am facing desame problem both my teachers and fellow classmates.

@bsscards3593 6 лет назад

I'm the only scope user in my dealership. Uscope, pico. You inspired me and it has helped. Everyone just thinks I'm trying to be better than shop foreman, but really it helps you learn more and think about how systems work. All Honda/Acura teach is how to do continuity tests on comm lines, so that's how my foreman does it, "it's the only way." More scope vids!

@FinalStopMobileAutoTech 6 лет назад

Scanner Danner talks about a jeep Cherokee 6cyl engine, that has spun the flywheel. In my opinion, aside from removing the transmission, there was no other way to identify the problem. I personally diagnose vehicles with a scope. I have just had a volvo with a jumped timing belt i discovered the problem with my scope in less then five minutes. Because of guys like you i have learned and gotten to where i am today in my passion of automotive diagnostics. I can feed my family comfortably because of you. Thank you for everything. KEEP THE VIDEOS COMING!!!

@cobraninetysix3883 6 лет назад

Outstanding! A series as an introduction to scopes and basic hookups and how to use would be great!

@nv1493 5 лет назад

Your videos have helped me tremendously. My retirement budget didn't allow me to go with Pico, but I'm very happy with the Hantek 1008c scope, cc-65 and cc-650 clamps. I know they are not as refined as the Pico, but they have helped me diagnose a lazy fuel injector and verify a bad crank sensor. I also sprung for an Autel MD808Pro and GTC 505 ignition analyzer along with assorted backprobes, leads, etc. But regardless of the diy equipment level, your sharing of knowledge has led me to learning about diagnosis rather than loading up the parts cannon. Thanks!

@omahacellularsolutio 6 лет назад

Would definitely love some instructional videos on using a scope.

@sympoz 6 лет назад

Watch some eevblog instructional videos.

@BoltThrower321 3 года назад

Become a master tech

@dtnel 3 года назад

Check out scannerdanner. I've learned it myself mainly by trial & error watching scannerdanner, watching Keith Perkins, Bernie Thompson. Best way to learn is get one, get out and use it learning one thing at a time till you get it then move to the next

@madmechanic7976 3 года назад

Just start stqbbing shit you will figure it out.

@KillJD 6 лет назад

Pico for life. Got one in August and loving it. I'm still a noob but learning each day.

@franciscoromero3011 6 лет назад

One of the things I really love about your videos, is how you use your computers to find and fix the problems. Where in some places the only computer they use is the OBII scanner.

@EvanT1995 6 лет назад

Eric you’re one of the few people on this Earth I’d love to sit down with and just absorb all of your automotive knowledge.

@klwthe3rd 6 лет назад

Honestly i never knew about Pico scopes until i started watching your channel. They seem like an extremely valuable tool to have in your shop. Customers dont want a technician to tear apart their car if they dont need to or are unsure of the problem. So with that being said, they seem to be well worth the money since it will be used many many times going forward.

@samcooke2742 6 лет назад

Why do I have to think so much to get my truck running? In 1977 I replaced the timing chain on my 292 Ford V-8 in the parking lot of an Exxon gas station in Durham, NC. The guy had loads of Exxon awards on the walls for his superior service. I wanted to borrow a timing light to set my distributor. The owner told me that they didn't have one - they just turned the distributor until the engine ran good. My mind is stuck there - turn it until it runs good. Oscilloscopes just freeze my brain.

@scottpearsontoolsmore185 6 лет назад

When I was in vocational school we used the big Sun Tech I think was the name I know it was a Sun. I graduated and went to work on simi trucks and trailers no computer back then. I have through the years have had to use a computer. I went to work at a different shop and the computer systems were just starting to show up. I had to learn pretty much all the makes of engines and different software. So yes would be my answer makes life easier. Keep up the great work brother see you in the next video thanks

@wyattoneable 6 лет назад

You had me at "PICO". You, Keith, Paul and Ivan made a believer out of me a year ago. But I love the continuing videos on the use of a scope. Great explanation and you know me, I'm a sponge for any knowledge towards mastering diagnostics.

@rayolson9620 6 лет назад

Decided I needed a scope within the first month of watching your channel. Fantastic tools!

@richardostrowski6420 6 лет назад

Good video Eric O. I have been using a scope in one iteration or another for the past 40 years. A scope simply enables you to find your problem without having to dissect your vehicle, as you alluded to. Every year, new vehicles will be getting harder and harder to work on. This is why you need to update your diagnostic equipment and more importantly, update your knowledge through training. I applaud your efforts and the efforts of the other techs posting these videos on youtube. Keep up the great work...

@SouthMainAuto 6 лет назад

Thanks Richard!

@StevesAutoNtrucks 6 лет назад

yes please more on using this tool i need to learn more uses for this tool very interesting thanks

@memopat1 6 лет назад

Scope is a real task to use as it takes thinking Most people are pattern techs car does this do that Scope is god send if you force your self to understand it You sir (eric O) are a black belt 5th degree in matters of using a scope 🙏

@sympoz 6 лет назад

So if eric is a 5th degree black belt in using a scope what does that make people like eevblog, thesignalpath and mrcarlsonslab? LOL

@Micko350 6 лет назад

What does that make Keith then?! 🤣

@chriscorts3337 4 года назад

@@sympoz Grand Masters. Mr. Carlson rocks though. Electronics guru and auto technician in one. He figured out why his car would not pass tailpipe emissions and made a module to remedy a GM factory fault.

@davidcomenzind8368 6 лет назад

WOW I'm impressed . I was a truck mech. back in the day and this new stuff blows my mind. I learn all kinds of stuff from your videos!

@brianraglandsr.2349 6 лет назад

I too believe a scope is a must have in today's shop's. I know a couple tech's that dont use them and get the job done, but i believe it would make their jobs much easier + funner if they took the time to learn them. I myself use my Verus, but soon will be getting a Pico due to it's utility's like the degree measurements that you used without all the math. Plus the fact is when you go on IATN a lot of waveform's are saved from Pico which makes it easier to match up. Thanks for the video. And also i would love to see more with scope usage. Have a blessed day

@brentowen9480 3 года назад

I'm 36, in the bizz for 15 yrs...started getting interested in lab scope stuff when fellow old guy genius showed me what a Verus could do...used Verus and Snap On stuff for years...hated the only zoom out feature...just got a pico and have been totally falling behind on work out the door because I'm taking various known goods etc for experience...I own and run my own shop so that's my decision. Anyway, really enjoying the Pico and the excitement. Example: 1986 XR200: owner rebuilt topend started and ran 2 blocks (they say). I get the bike, check spark-yup good, check valve timing-easy to do (5 mins-maybe less), timing okay lash tight-set lash-no start still-When kicking over every so often it briefly fires-like 1 bang. Connect pressure transducer to cyl and secondary pickup on well plug wire-kick over and find random spark events. Remove CDI cover-find pickup not keyed onto camshaft-bolt missing, but would still spin, generating a spark. Then I look up a OEM parts diag and see that there should be a bolt on the end of cam to hold pickup in place. Keyed the pickup and replaced the bolt and fired up first kick. Finding spark timing on this and many motorcycles is hard, using a scope is the only way minus farting around all day taking things apart and hoping. This was the first time I used the Pico (luckily got it the day before).

@peterreed175 6 лет назад

good vid eric! i’m not a mechanic. but i’m a big time diyer at home mechanic. I’ve learned so much from you. And now i’m tempted to buy a scope. I really like figuring out the real reason/ root cause of things. this video proves the need for it.

@tracydiller4492 6 лет назад

Bottom line you need a scope no question, especially if your working on vehicles for a living. For the DIY it's the question am I going to use it more than once or twice a year or would it be cheaper to take it to a shop that uses a scope just about everyday. And the cost for the DIY guy's and gals to purchase a scope of course that's up to the individual, but yes in my opinion if your a professional mechanic and that's your job yes you need a scope.

@AP9311 6 лет назад

Ooh yes!! Every mechanic should have one to help brush up their skills on diagnosing issues, just like ScannerDanner! Helps me to understand more and know how to do it. Thanks Eric O! Love the vid!!

@TheDisgruntledMechanic 6 лет назад

Did one video with the Pico and plan to do more. I am only doing the basics just because, for now that is all I know. Would love to see you do more of the set ups. For automotive it seems to me the 4425 is the way to go!

@spelunkerd 6 лет назад

I wish the databank at Pico had more waveforms, it's a free bank and could be very useful if techs would take the time to share details with others. They do have a few thousand waveforms and hopefully that will grow over the coming years. IATN works great for the pros but we amateurs don't have the financial resources to pay into something like that every month.

@JOHNPHUFNAGEL 6 лет назад

IATN is only $20 a month that's really cheap for all the info it has available. Now Mitchel on demand or all data is outrageous

@Mikeywil0003 6 лет назад

I could say the same thing about service info, and scan tools. Gotta pay the big bucks for good service info, which is not always an option for the amateur. I think were are really going to be screwed on some of these cars decades down the road, like 90's Chryslers. What are we going to do in 2036 when a DRB3 is hard to come by, and certain things can only be done with a DRB3?

@Janisg616 5 лет назад

Picoscope "automotive" scopes starting at 900$ are expensive, especially for DIY enthusiasts. I have picoscope 2204a, 2 channel 10MHz scope, that costs about 130$. For me the biggest advantage compared to any other USB scope is the software, from picoscope you get the same software and features for 10 000$ scope that you get for this 130$ scope, free updates for lifetime. 2204a supports only picoscope regular software. For those new to scopes be careful not to overload and kill the scope on ignition components. Also any bench scope can be used for automotive diagnostics. In picoautomotive website you can get ideas for different sensors, and pressure transducers(and testing procedures), that you can build you self for small fraction of the price, and they will work just as good. And to build them is not much more complicated than fixing cars. If I would diagnose cars for living, I would go for 4 channel "automotive picoscope" and original accessories. "picoscope automotive" software is the same regular software + you get access to dedicated picoscope automotive forums and known good or bad waveform database. Additional extras might pay off after properly diagnosing some cars that nobody else was able to fix.

@sympoz 6 лет назад

I appreciate your videos eric, your attitude is what gets work done and is what people here envy and it's what makes you appear smarter than average. Taking your time and not assuming you have the answer is actually what makes you stand out as a good mechanic.

@bradcullen8171 6 лет назад

Very well explained, got a PICO, in beginner stage, very beginner, but understand the need for it especially this day and time, and having fun trying to learn, and enjoy your videos on the scope usage

@snw56 6 лет назад

It's a must! I plan to purchase a Pico scope in the near future.

@TheWallyjp 6 лет назад

I would love to see more videos on how to use a scope. I have thought about buying one, but I really do not know how to use one to its full potential. I learned about it quickly in school, but that is it.

@dakotadomination1065 6 лет назад

Great video. I like the idea about learning how to hook the scopes up, and how to use them. That's why I haven't bought one yet. Just the lack of knowledge on how they work.

@dc5723 6 лет назад

Scopes are important! A good diagnostic scan tool and scope is an essential part of the shop plus your brains! We have a small shop so we just have 1 scope and 2 diagnostic scan tools.

@pauldavis5075 6 лет назад

We had a low paid school worker with a 70's impala back in the day. High miles, noisy, and barely ran. School vocational shop took it on. The timing chain was so loose it ate right though the timing cover. Thanks for the videos.

@rtchrg440 6 лет назад

Absolutely! Just got a Pico in our shop.

@kennyb1155 6 лет назад

The only tool a GM shop needs is a calculator, for totalling the bill 😉

@kellyconstenius676 4 года назад

As a home bolt breaker. I watched a video of tech chasing a CAN signal problem. He hooked his scope into the OBD2 test port. You could see the problem on the scope. Instead of being mirror image of each other. You could see the interference in the signal. He found a CAN junction connector. And just unplugged connections until he saw the signal go normal. WALA it was some controller in the over head console. Boom that made me want one. I found out you can get a Hantek 1008C on Amazon for about a hundred bucks. Thats shade tree tool money right there. Came in the mail today. Have zero idea how to use it. But cant wait to start to learn on it.

@Thefreemans-interesting-music 6 месяцев назад

The SUN machine!!! Was trained on that thing. The machine that goes "BING". Parked it out the front and fired it up. Got a ton of customers that way.

@MrRandom750 6 лет назад

Thats it... time to get a pieco. The old timers at my shop say no need for a scope and dont waste your money. Its been a goal to be on my own someday and i see it as i need to learn and have one to get to that goal.

@justinballard4134 6 лет назад

Said old timers probably don't know what CAN stands for.

@echowhiskey2411 6 лет назад

Sad these old timers have no idea what a no fault tolerant network is, or terminating resistance for that matter.

@InsideOfMyOwnMind 6 лет назад

Yeah but you hand em a row of carbs and they can have them synced up like no other.

@upallnight888 6 лет назад

Yes they do, they know that Beer comes in a CAN.

@Micko350 6 лет назад

Justin Ballard a CAN holds their beans!

@skonyc3164 6 лет назад

Yes please more pico..these are my favorite types of videos 👍😎

@garylollman5339 6 лет назад

I don't own a shop but I can totally see that too diagnose a vehicle problems. Great job and information you have promoted for having a scope.

@richardmikolajczakjr5016 6 лет назад

That's is by far the best diagnosis I've seen you do here's your problem lady 👍

@REPOOCNITSUJ 6 лет назад

Great video!! I would love to see more videos like this on basic scope use. I bought a Modis Edge about 6 months ago and sadly..... it stays in its case most of the time.... I just don't know how to use it yet. I've tried some basic readings on my own truck, but I don't understand it well enough to diagnose with it yet. PLEASE MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS!!!!!! thanks a million-

@MrAnthonyfym 6 лет назад

Mechanix 1033 guided component tests learn

@kingkong8974 6 лет назад

Thank God I was trained on the modus back in school. These videos on RU-vid has refreshed my mind. Wish I could buy a scope for under 300 that I could use professionally

@thecardoctorautorepair2014 5 лет назад

When hiring a tech at my shop, the first thing I ask is what type or brand of lab scope they are using. 9 out of 10 times they look at me like I have 3 eyes. I ask this question because if they haven't used one then they aren't a true diagnostic tech. It is 100% impossible to perform a 100% perfect diagnosis, along with repair verification, without a scope when dealing with any kind of engine/transmission management sensor. With a lab scope, I can go home at night knowing that the issue is definitely repaired and has zero chance of a comeback due to my diagnosis. Rather than thinking to myself, "Oh, I hope that car doesn't come back with the same code".

@Sebastianx115 2 года назад

Dam good luck finding techs like that then

@MicheluceRizzuto 2 года назад

@@Sebastianx115 you ain’t lyin’. Still can’t find one. I’m hanging it up in a year and a half when my shop lease is up for renewal. I either close it down or sell it. After 38 years I’m done.

@Sebastianx115 2 года назад

@@MicheluceRizzuto wow i just started mine 3-4 years ago money is good but can be stressful

@MicheluceRizzuto 2 года назад

@@Sebastianx115 I don't do too bad. It's a trade off though. Sometimes I wish I still worked on the line and able to go home at 5 without the stress factor. I'm at the point where I take in what I want and I don't break my balls anymore for the most part. I'm 57 y/o and I've beaten myself up over the years to where my joints hurt and my eyes and ears suffer a bit from it. I don't know how long you've been at it, but it will take it's toll on your body eventually. I started doing auto upholstery a couple years ago and that business is picking up fairly well, so I have something to fall back on and pay the bills and mortgage once I exit this career for good. I'd like to say I have the option to retire if I wanted to, but when I was younger I blew the hell out of some money and just started saving money for real about ten years ago when I woke up and realized I wasn't going to be young forever and retirement age was just around the corner. Bam! There it is!

@Sebastianx115 2 года назад

@@MicheluceRizzuto Yeah I've been working on cars for ten years and in business for about 4 and at the moment have a solid team, 2 other employees who are good at working on cars i try not letting us work to hard

@exmotorsports 6 лет назад

SOLD..! Personally looking back, It's hard to imagine doing the proper diagnostic without a scope..Bought my first one about 2 years ago and I ask myself, How did I ever do without it.?! It's a must have tool. Because of that, That's how I found guy's like YOU, Keith..Danner..Ivan and many more. It's all in the interest of what a scope can discover. Eric.. I would love to see a library of scope usage from you, I think it would be powerful info for us all. (: As always, Thank You and Cheers too.

@StephenDanielAddeo 6 лет назад

Funny. I just had this engine today with those codes but I could hear the chain slapping and so I didn't need a scope.

@SmittySmithsonite 6 лет назад

I'd definitely like to see your scope vids, no matter how basic you think they might be. I have zero scope time! I definitely see the value in them - so long as you interpret the data correctly (and have it hooked up correctly), they will diagnose an issue 100% every time. The amount of info you can get from just a spark waveform just blows my mind. I've learned alot from Paul, Ivan, and you, though. I definitely need one ... but my warped mind is telling me I need to buy a paramotor, first. Priorities, ya know ... I must FLY!! 😃

@SouthMainAuto 6 лет назад

Oh man you are nuts!

@SmittySmithsonite 6 лет назад

HAHAHAHA! My buddies, and my family, are all saying the same thing ... :D

@sebastianmalmstrom3547 6 лет назад

Agreed

@chekelley6861 6 лет назад

You should film this repair. I just used a scope to diagnose a 7.3 powerstroke with a bad engine computer. This is one of the easiest engines to diagnose and work on but this problem absolutely kicked my ass. Broke out the scope and an old eec v pinout box I got on eBay and BAM there it was...

@SouthMainAuto 6 лет назад

Sweet, I still have an EEC IV and V BOB :)

@chekelley6861 6 лет назад

South Main Auto Repair I have a pico scope but my most used scope is an OTC Perception graphing multimeter that you can pick up for a couple hundred dollars. It’s OTC version of the Vantage. I love that thing.

@SouthMainAuto 6 лет назад

I love my Vantage Pro too!

@kingkong8974 6 лет назад

@@chekelley6861 brand new for a couple hundred? Or used?

@chekelley6861 6 лет назад

kingkong8974 OTC doesn’t make the Perception anymore, you have to get them from eBay. They pop up once in awhile in really good condition. I saw one the was new in the box recently!

@JohnRodriguesPhotographer 5 лет назад

I think it is a smart approach. Being a parts cannon works short term. Really fixing problems is the correct approach long-term.

@robinsonsmotorcycleandauto3929 6 лет назад

In my opinion a scope is a must have tool if you wanna save time and be 100 percent correct. Great video Eric

@richard1835 6 лет назад

Great work Eric I appreciate your hard work in making us better Mechanics. Thank You

@normangallant9879 6 лет назад

Good call and saving the customer money.

@Bowtie41 5 лет назад

I could absolutely watch more hands on scope setup and usage,you rock!

@LMAutoRepairs 6 лет назад

Great video... A scope can indeed help you to diagnose/pin point where the fault actually is... at the component or somewhere else... On your example, it is obviously even more crucial... would be nearly impossible (Without removing head cover etc..), to see the timing issue without a scope... For me, the pico PC based is not practical, and although I have a 2 channel handheld scope, which I work with on some of my videos, I am know thinking about get the scope module for my Maxisys, which is a 4 channel... as it looks quite practical and more complete as well.. Thank you for sharing!

@flatratemaster 6 лет назад

Great Video Eric!! There are 3 scopes at the shop, and will be 4 when i get my Pico😁

@anthonybotonis4541 5 лет назад

If you dont have a pico then you have a scope.... the only real time scope available is the pico👌

@davidbrown1037 6 лет назад

Eric. I bought a Solus Pro and had it 2 weeks when I saw the need for a Lab Scope. I traded up to a Modis Ultra and find that I use the Scope & Multi Meter Functions as much and even more than the scanner functions. I am an Aircraft Maintenance Engineer and I wish that I had this tool many years ago. It would have been extremely valuable in troubleshooting intermittent "glitches" in landing gear circuits that can be too fast to catch with a meter or test light. Once you have a tool like that, you find ways to use it and wonder how you did without it before. Until you actually use one, you cannot appreciate what they CAN do.

@melsmobileservices4223 6 лет назад

Picoscope & forget the rest! As always, Eric great video & instruction about why labscopes are needed with modern vehicle repair. While I don’t currently own a picoscope due to the cost but I working on it for 2018. I have changed my business model because of you, scanner danner, pine hollow auto diagnostics, & other channels!

@jessupgraham 6 лет назад

Awesome video, I have been a mechanic for a heavy equipment dealer for over 15 years and the emissions have brought a need for a scope in my opinion. So any videos you can do with a scope is great. I have the Vantage pro for a starter scope in hopes to learn how to read sensors, CAN etc

@Jpilgrim30 6 лет назад

Absolutely a necessity for driveability. I own four scopes myself so I don’t always have to lug out the laptop and pico scope. I have a pico 4425, otc 3840f, a uscope, and a cheap hantek scope. The uscope is a great little time saving scope for doing quick checks where you only need one channel.

@rogerdaly1087 6 лет назад

First off, just wanted to say thanks for the great vids !!! After seeing you use the Mini Ductor 11, I am nowthe proud owner of the Mini Ductor Venom. What a great tool to have and use. Keep sharing all your greatknowledge with the rest of us in the " Great White North "

@mikechiodetti4482 5 лет назад

I know I've seen this before, but its well worth seeing again. Shortly, after I get most of my projects done, I'll be back with the Pico on my test subject, AKA the 06 Nissan Frontier, 4.0 V6. Hopefully I'll learn how to print out the waveforms for reference later on. AND I hope last summer's timing chains, guides, tensioners, water pump, tons of O'Rings will still be good allowing me to "see" the timing marks alignment. Nice Job Mr. O. Totally Professional, and as an Instructor, Totally Understandable!

@joeschebler6236 4 года назад

I too would love to see some more basic scope usage videos...Thanks, kinda shopping around

@elcheapo5302 6 лет назад

I'm just a serious DIY'r, and I'd love to have a scope. With the price of a Pico, I just don't think I understand enough about scope usage to get that kind of value out of the tool. I'll keep watching you, Keith, Danner, and Ivan in an attempt to learn though!

@skonyc3164 6 лет назад

El Cheapo I'm also a diyer and I picked up a Pico this past October. I didn't know what to do with it at all. I started to watch videos and played on my own car with it. This is a must have for today's automotive diagnostics in my opinion. I still dont know much at all but everyday I learn a little more. The Pico is expensive but they do have other options out there. Start with a hantek 2 channel or a uscope. Amazon has the hantek for about $300 As a kit. Don't think about it just do it. Trust me you won't regret it.

@JamesLee-oe7mt 6 лет назад

Hantek has a Knockoff version some vids on here bout how to use it. May be good for the diy and pro diy group. Probably the software isn't as streamlined but the advantage of not being a shop is we have more time to tinker...

@jackpatteeuw9244 6 лет назад

The LabNation 2 channel SamrtScope is a good starting place for not a lot of money. There are other 2 channel 'scopes on Amazon for even less. These can be very useful ONCE you understand enough electronics to properly use them. If you really want a 4 channel 'scope the Rigol DS1054Z is probably the best bang for your buck ! The biggest negative is that it requires 120VAC. It is really a "bench" 'scope so one good drop would probably kill it.

@NewLevelAuto 6 лет назад

Jack Patteeuw also the recording buffer makes it prohibitive for automotive as well (Rigol). However the lab nation scope is part of a project I'm working on as well and is really starting to develop into an automotive scope as well.

@bastianfromkwhbsn8498 6 лет назад

Same with me unfortunately. At least I can borrow a scanner with a build in scope from work if I really need one.

@lorrinbarth1969 6 лет назад

If a prospective employer wanted to know if I was a mechanic or technician I'd ask, "Which pays better?".

@adammeehan828 2 года назад

Gonna git the maxiscope for my autel ty so much for getting me on the autel trip. Bought a ms906bt with bore scope and now gonna get the scope as well this thing has paid for itself 10 times over from day 1 and I love it an absolute blast and got me hooked on identafix had that for a few months and don't know how I lived withoot them for so long. I have you in my ear all day long just listening to the channel while busting these knucks sir 🙂 I tip my hat 🤠 like so and say good day!

@zoidberg444 6 лет назад

As a DIY'er who works on vehicles for friends, people i know and my wheeler dealer neighbour i got a hantek. I couldn't justify anything more. Its been fairly useful so far. I've been able to be more confident of several diagnoses that I've made and less invasive when making them. I must admit if i saw a used Pico for a reasonable price i might be tempted. I do like the features on the software.

@hightttech 5 лет назад

Eric, as you said, the old SUN "Engine Performance Analyzers" were awesome. I was a young mechanic, and the old geezers hated that i could make that SUN sing & dance. Scopes are absolutely more necessary than ever, unless you just sell parts with no accountability to customer. Cheers. (edit typo)

@sweatlodgegarage8195 6 лет назад

i don’t know what i’d do without my scope, saves so much time determining issues by quickly testing components with minimal disassembly, most definitely a worthy investment!

@themainguy5050 6 лет назад

When dealing with vehicles you can never ever have too many tools.😀

@georgeburns7344 6 лет назад

I think that you should call yourself a Techanic. With all the electronics in cars now a days, you really can't work on them without a scope. The scope allows you to be able to see and record the data streams, which enable you to see what the engine is actually doing in real and expanded time. Not having a scope, you'll not have the critical information required to make a proper diagnosis of the problem like you did in this video.

@markreagan2956 4 года назад

You dont need one for everything. It really depends on what your testing.

@brianwolf692009 6 лет назад

My problem is finances. Scopes are definitely a must have for person to get an idea where to start looking. Keep up the vids.

@deepsquat600 6 лет назад

Yes Eric I am so old that we had a Sun scope in voctech school.

@johnaclark1 6 лет назад

I'm a professional pilot who is also a DIY'er fixing my own cars---have been for years. I also fix cars for friends and neighbors and make enough extra money to support a tool habit. Second only to picking up an Autel DS708 on craigslist I snagged a good deal on eBay for a Vantage Pro w/16.4 software. I can certainly see the value in knowing how to use a scope and have used it a fair amount so far. Being only 2-channel it's not the best scope out there but when it becomes a limitation rather than a tool I'm not using I'll upgrade. For now the component test database and 2-channel scope combination filled a need I had. If you're going to be serious about fixing cars right the first time for a paying customer I don't know how you can do without it.

@mikeberry304 4 года назад

Takes me back to 1979 Eric , across the pond her in the UK with the old big yellow Krypton tuning machine , showing wave forms on plugs etc , time to spend some money, you've gotta be in it to win it as they say , great video Eric , take care

@B.E.Long.63 6 лет назад

Good evening funny seeing you here this time of night..hehehe... Peace, God Bless America....

@NobodyAskedForThis 6 лет назад

In the dialog box for the measurement cursors you can manually type the degree you want the cursor at and it'll move the cursor to that point for you. So if you want it at exactly zero degrees, just type that in and the cursor will move to exactly zero.

@NRP1991 6 лет назад

Great video. I honestly think lacking knowledge myself. Working in a small engine shop LOTS of engines oems are going efi. And this honestly would come in real handy. Keep these videos coming. I just learned a TON. Thanks Eric !!

@karltruththathurts9987 6 лет назад

I would appreciate another video on the scope, looks like a must have

@JMKady76 6 лет назад

They're so affordable and easy to use now, it's a no brainer to have one. Though, it does seem some guys are still very comfortable doing the guess and check on the customer's dime instead of knowing what's wrong.

@dragonrider93 6 лет назад

I work for a commercial landscaper. Electronics have been creeping into this end of the business for a few years now. There are manufactures that now put chips in their coils to limit rpm on their weed wackers. Efi engines on the big area mower machines and big aggro equipment are all gone with computers. The last time I worked on something that had points and a condenser was 20 years ago...You remember those, points in a distributor Yea, you have to have a scope or the software today, even in my end of the biz... But that is not the problem, the cost is. I have wrenches that are 40 years old, will your scan tool work 40 years from now.........The long term cost is crazy. Thank you EPA !

@stephendee7839 5 лет назад

I have not bought a "scope b/c I can't get the detailed wiring diagrams and connector layouts / pinouts that you get. I would love 2 have access to the info that would make them a usable tool for me.

@HardKnocksForge 6 лет назад

Yes basic, how to, and the what for on pico scopes would be an awesome video series.

@mbs5328 6 лет назад

Yes. Videos on 'Basic Hookup and Usage of a Lab Scope' would be very helpful.

@ryleysmith6940 6 лет назад

Yeah, a scope is a must have. That being said, I have not found many chances to break it out. I am liking the snap on scope, it's not the best but great for a beginner. Component info is gold. Great video, If things permitted it would be great to have more videos on the scope.

@SouthMainAuto 6 лет назад

Glad to hear you are using it though. You are correct the component test meter is a great source of info!

@gordonfreeman5434 6 лет назад

no question the lab scope is a essential tool in auto repair. Really the hangup for most techs/mechs is the price.

@haywardsautomotive6156 6 лет назад

Agree with everything and started with the Sun scope back in 1973 BOCES Auto Mechanics and that's what most garages had back then and now we have the Pico. It's the next step up from the scan tools and DVOM to allow us to diagnose quicker and with minimal disturbance. After the lab scope then the next step up is pressure transducers and accelerometers for vibration diagnosis. Bottom line is technology is rapidly advancing and you have to tool up to stay up or lose a lot of business. Soon actually already happened technology will become so advanced to stay proficient you almost have to become specialized like Keith. Being an independent shop and keeping up is a challenge and you have to research and read everything from system & component description & operation, TSBs, etc and then you need everything to make diagnosing more efficient and accurate and that would be the lab scope. Luckily between Pico, Autonerdz, and several others offer training videos and online support for those wanting to know more about how to use a lab scope prior to the purchase but buyers beware when the scope comes thru the door your sleeping days will be over for a while and the more you use it the more you'll be happy you made the investment. Start with what you can afford and then build up & e-bay has deals all the time from those that have upgraded. Great video Eric!

@phillipzan2005 6 лет назад

Oh lord I would love more scope videos. Especially on can bus systems, measurements and say overlays from known good waveforms

@schwinn434 9 месяцев назад

I really appreciate this video - i.e. not only an important discussion - but more impressively, Eric wasn’t, obviously, feeling well but forged ahead, nevertheless, to make a very interesting video. Absolutely, great work on Eric’s part!

@christopherkassner8894 6 лет назад

A pressure transducer is a good way to rule out a mechanical issue. You can also look at the phaser operation. As you pointed out. Actuate it and measure how much it advances on the transducer wave form. Escope has the software already in it for this. But I find that scope is a little glitchy for basic use. I prefer pico for pinpoint and snap on for ease of use.

@jhuntosgarage 6 лет назад

Glad I didn't get the v6 in my wife's '14 Equinox, got the 2.4, no issues; YET! Good job Mr. O. Give it the full beans!

@picoboo5048 6 лет назад

J. Hunto's Garage Don't want to be the bearer of bad news but those have timing chain issues as well😕

@sheeshalready 3 года назад

Like most here, I am a DIY and can repair most things wrong with my cars and motorcycles, and own more tools than I can shake a stick at. However, it is not just the cost of the scope, or the expense of online service information, it is the learning curve when you would only break it out every so often. Then, well, I want a trained, honest mechanic like yourself to figure it out and do the repair.

@erniegoram1957 2 года назад

I think if you do mechanic work even as a hobby if you don't have a scope it's because you don't know you need one or know that you can use one and make your life easier mine's on order through alltwl. This is where the first time I've ever commented on any of your shows but overall I've watched a lot of your shows and you do a really good job explaining everything so that's all I got to say keep up the good work man.

@jcool460 3 года назад

Mostly been lack of know-how for me. Not many shops get into advanced electrical diagnosing, so any learning is usually done by proactive research instead of on the job training. I'd imagine quoting is tough as well. Could get lucky and find a problem quickly or could spend hours on it you'll never get back. The investment of a scope is pretty pricey so knowing which one to get is another part of it.

@shameelali2549 5 лет назад

Every shop should have a picoscope even brake shops for abs issues,if not close the doors..

@kevinadomitis4833 6 лет назад

More great content! Love learning about all this even though I will never use it personally.

@SurferJoe46 3 года назад

Having owned Autoscan and Snap-On and best of them all ---> Allen 16-000 Series Analyzers over the years - until DIS showed up, now I find that I need to get back into oscilloscopes all over again. It's a different world. COP and VVT and modules all over the place in vehicles since @ 2003 or so, make it mandatory that you have a good ability to use one.

@cobraninetysix3883 6 лет назад

After reading some of the comments...., maybe a series for the advanced DIY people that want to take it to the next level!

@noelhernandez5829 6 лет назад

Hello Eric, I'm totally inclined to purchasing a lab scope after seeing videos like yours and other youtubers like Paul Danner, Ivan, Keith who also use labscopes. With todays sofisticated auto systems I've learned its a must have tool. Thanks for the videos!

@davidblozen9531 Месяц назад

after watching ivan from pa fix cars a scope is a must for a money making shop ,but a little pricy for a diy er and then you need the knowledge on how to read traces and to use pico , but for what you do a real proof of repair in as little time as possible , keep on trucking