Do Latter-day Saints actually believe that?! Ep. 164 

I love that we're studying the old Testament this year because it is filled with stories of prophets and other important leaders making epic mistakes. And it's important to keep in mind that we have way fewer pages on the lives and words of the ancient prophets than our latter-day leaders. We don't know what kookie things Moses might have said during the decades of his life that were not recorded.

The editing on this F&B is phenomenal! It is always excellent but this one has something extra to it. Made me enjoy it even more. Kudos to the editor. And of course David!

Important to note the 11th article of Faith, 'We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.' It's a privilege to have common sense under our own conscience to have opinions and ideas that make us think more and better. It is the wonderful thing about this Church and it is what diversifies us. We should still remember that although the rope is more loose than outsiders imagined, it doesn't mean we can do whatever we want. We need to center ourselves around the words of Christ and therefore by keeping our promises to Him. Prophets including Christ sole job is to help protect us from sin and the dangers of the world. Anything apart from that, like how old the earth is or if there are men on the moon have nothing to do with my safety from Sin, why should I give much thought to it?

I think it is also important to note that the purpose of life is not to have all the truth now but to learn to walk by faith and learn by the spirit. That is how we grow spiritually. What matters is how we act on the knowledge we have to do good and show charity (the pure love of Christ) in the world.

This video reminded me of how we Catholics contextualize papal infallibility to fall under specific conditions, and then with Church Tradition, our teaching authority sorts between the best ideas of church fathers while rejecting more heretical ones. Very interesting video. Always a pleasure, Mr David

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That interlude music to pause and read the quote was great 👌🤌

love the new intro!!!! great great episode

Excellent and well done. Thank you.

Awesome Episode!

Some of these videos (especially the faith and belief segments) should be posted to the official Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints RU-vid channel

Great video! Thanks!

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WELL SAID! This is becoming increasingly important! President Nelson said that to survive spiritually we need to have a functioning relationship with the Spirit (paraphrased). I've had many friends and acquaintances leave the Church over erroneous remarks or statements by General Authorities. It's up to US to verify the words of God's leaders with the Spirit. If we get it wrong it's on our head. Sometimes I hear things even in General Conference that are clearly wrong. Do I lose faith? NO! These are God's chosen servants. Do they make mistakes? Oh yeah they do. Look at the patterns of history in scripture. What if you were a disciple that may have been standing there when Peter denied Christ the first time, or, all three times? The Spirit would have born witness that Peter was wrong (poor guy was terrified! I hold nothing against him he's human!). OK, Judas? Moses (quite a few times!). Brigham, Johna? The Brother of Jared? etc etc. They all screw up. They are human. Only Christ was a perfect man and is the source of truth. If we take every word of a General Authority as gospel we are putting our trust in the arm of flesh, not in Christ. It's on our shoulders. On the other hand IF we reject something that a leader says that is from God because we don't like it then we're to blame for not checking with the Spirit in prayer/fasting. THIS IS A TEST! It's dependant on our spiritual worthiness to receive confirmation. This is a high stakes situation. We're going to be rattled - and it's only just starting. Learn how to abide by the Spirit. There are some things that leaders will say that will seem logically wrong. Don't go on that. Don't excuse yourself because the leader got it wrong last time. That's no excuse. Go to God with it! Be worthy to have the gift of discernment.

Thank you!

Well done 👍👍

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Elder Russell M. Ballard has my absolute respect because of his humility, honesty and faithfulness as a Latter-day Saint and as a general authority. He's right. Just because you are one of the authorities in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, it does not mean you are a total expert. When Joseph first got called in as a prophet, he was clueless. Yet did John sort of seem surprised when Jesus came along and asked John to baptize him? Did it seem odd when Jesus appeared to the Jewish authorities and they don't remember His coming being foretold from the Old Testament? Jesus may be called the King of the Jews but He never asserted Himself like that. He even insisted to wash Peter's feet. I testify the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the restored church on this earth and I know our God, Heavenly Father lives, I know Jesus is the Son of God and is the Christ plus is the Only Begotten sent by the Father, who died on the cross for our sins. I know the Holy Spirit dwells within each of us and is always with us during church activities and Sunday sessions together. Whether one a prophet or not, no one is perfect. Prophets make mistakes just like you and me. But does that mean a prophet is fake? Depends. I know Joseph Smith was a true prophet of the Restoration of these things, he kept his faith no matter what, he was absolutely obedient and he had no fear of speaking the truth plus showed Christlike behavior, following the teachings of Jesus of loving his enemies as his neighbours. I want people to ponder over the question, "What makes a prophet true or false?" I will give some insight; It has to do with whether or not he is with God and follows God. If he only follows his own selfish ambitions and uses the authority given to him as a prophet to mislead people to a war or anything destructive, that is not a true prophet. Who says prophets and general authorities can't speak for themselves when they aren't being spoken to by God Himself? Exactly. General authorities have their own lives too. They have just simply been given a great responsibility and that does not mean they are better than regular members. It takes a large amount of humility to admit that you know. Just because I am an Elder now, does that mean I am better than my fellow men who haven't received that? No. But some of the opposition might think, "You are just one of those typical authority types too or typical blind sheep." Well that's just your subjective opinion about me and I will never leave the true Church restored upon this earth. I testify the Book of Mormon is also part of the Word of God, describing the ancient inhabitants of the ancient Americas during biblical times. I testify the Old and New Testaments are true as well. I testify Doctrines & Covenants are true alongside the Pearl of Great Price; which includes the Book of Moses and Abraham. The doctrines that church leaders, including our Prophet, Russell M. Nelson, are all true and has nothing to do with the individual lives of church leaders themselves. It has to do with Heavenly Father's plan of Salvation which is towards eternal life and happiness. I remain a devout Latter-day Saint. I say these things in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen. Matthew 7:13-14 Very few find the narrow gate and walk through it to find the path of life and truth. Many walk through the wider gate of destruction and thus do not find the truth nor life. (Paraphrased a biblical verse) Another debunked misconception is: Latter-day Saints are in no way associated with Jehovah's Witness. Authorities never abuse their power with regular church members in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and if there is or has been any kind of issues related to that, the Church doesn't hesitate to deal with it in a manner that fits the situation. Trust me, it's happened before, it did happen a while ago when a member was refusing to do his duty because he thought he was being enslaved by dishonest elders of the elder's quorum. He was wrong. If you look at Jehovah's Witness and perhaps watch some videos of victims who luckily got outta there, you will see, they aren't kidding. Jehovah's Witness authorities will as soon as put you in for a "Judicial hearing" just for asking a question about "When does Church begin?" or questions about concerns regarding sexual abuse of children etc. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' community ensures everybody is treated with respect and is kind to everyone. We also do not tolerate immorality, especially sexual abuse, child abuse, drug abuse etc and encourage chastity, professionals to help with substance abuse and ofc contacting proper authorities to deal with other kinds of serious crimes listed above etc. If anyone ever did cause minor issues, like that one member I mentioned above, who wasn't cooperating because of his own arrogant behavior, the authorities will do no more than talk to him or her first and punishments etc don't occur unless it is the extreme type of issue and as a last last last resort. That's the biggest difference between the Latter-day Saints and JWs. The so called "Watchtower authorities of all the JW Kingdom Halls" and their resistance towards sinful immorality though is justified on one hand but the way how they communicate and antagonize everyone who approaches them like regular people is absolutely hypocritical. Jehovah's Witness was guided by a false prophet because he did it for the money only.

can you do another one on marriage? Why do other churches not care as much as us?

Hi. Could you do a video on the Lds veiw of other religions? I'm confused how the Lds being one of the youngest world faiths claims to be true while ignoring the more mature and established faiths.

This was great. Honestly a great answer to so many questions

How do we know for certain that the messages they say come from God if they sometimes speak for God?

"A prphet is only a prophet when he is acting as such"--Joseph Smith

4:54 Do we have reason to believe that Brigham Young knew the difference between his personal opinions/interpretations and direct revelations from god? Is it possible for someone to be excommunicated for making public statements that run contrary to non-revelatory statements that prophets make?

This is where things get hard for members. Some leave the church and others become "fundamentalists". Ultimately YOU have to decide what you believe. I believe this is the true Church of Jesus Christ in the last days and that it will continue to be forever. It takes faith to follow the prophets, knowing that they are imperfect. God gave them to us so that we be not children tossed to and fro, carried about with every wind of doctrine. But that we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ.

The one thing I was shocked to find was the trinitarian doctrine on the last two pages of the scanned printer's manuscript of the Book of Mormon circa August 1829 - Jan 1830. The last line on page 467 reads "honor be to the Father, and to the Son and to the Holy Ghost" and the first line on page 468 reads "which is One God, Amen" and is then signed by Cowdery, Whitmer, and Harris followed by, on the same page the testimony of the 8 witnesses. Could you do a video on why the angel Moroni allowed those men to write and sign off on those words and why the trinitarian doctrine was later edited out of the book of Mormon after Moroni and the golden plates were removed from earth? I"ll leave a link to the printers manuscript in a reply below, sometimes youtube deletes links so I don't want it here in this question. Thanks.

4:49 I like that quote from Brigham Young because we really have to put effort in to research and prayer before we say we believe anything.

Fantastic video, thank you for this

Hahaha the red v blue clip lol

I never expected a Red vs. Blue reference in a church related video.

This video presents questions to ask in order to help someone navigate, "how to tell the difference between an authoritative teaching of the Church and an opinion or personal belief of a leader". Let's run the Priesthood Ban and teachings associated with it [i.e. blacks cannot hold the priesthood, they are inferior, they were less righteous in the preexistence, dark skin is a curse and/or a sign of a curse, whites should not marry blacks because their offspring will also be cursed as to the priesthood, etc] through the questions offered in this video and see if these questions would have helped us know that those teaching were just "an opinion or personal belief" of the LDS Prophets, Seers, and Revelators for the 130+ years they were calling those teachings "revelation", "doctrine", and the Priesthood Ban a "direct commandment from the Lord": What was the setting? Just about every setting possible by the Church for 130+ years such as: printed in scriptures, General Conference, Primary Lessons, Sunday School lessons, Priesthood Lessons, printed in Official Church magazines and other Official Church publications, declared in Official First Presidency Statements, reiterated in letters/correspondence between Q15 members and other church leaders and members, etc. Who was the audience? All leaders and members of the LDS Church in just about every position possible. Was it a "revelation"? It was called "revelation" and "doctrine" throughout the 130+ years. It was also called "revelation" in a 1969 Official Statement by the "First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve to restate the position of the Church with regard to the Negro both in society and in the Church". Consistency? Yes, the priesthood ban and the teachings associated with it were consistently taught by Q15 members and virtually all leadership in the church from Q15 down to primary teachers. Frequency? Yes, it was taught frequently as evidence by how easily it is found in official LDS Publications for the 130+ years it was being taught as "revelation" and "doctrine". Unity? Yes, the Q15 for 130+ years were united about the priesthood ban and the teachings associated with it including at least two Official First Presidency statements [August 17, 1949 & December 15, 1969]. The 1949 statement specifically declaring that the priesthood ban was not a "policy" but was a "direct commandment from the Lord". The 1969 statement specifically calling the ban "revelation". There is also letter correspondence signed by the First Presidency between the them and other leaders/members calling the priesthood ban "doctrine". It is easy to see that those questions fail to reveal that the LDS Prophets, Seers, and Revelators for those 130+ years were teaching false doctrine while attributing it to God.

Rooster Teeth (Halo) Episode 1: Why are we here? Haha loved that show!

Boy I love you .thanks for the great work you do .. great job .

This seems to pose the thought that we should have the faith to accept that this was just opinion. But what we never discuss is if we have the faith to accept that the weird quotes are true? What if Jesus comes and he says “Yeah, there were Quakers on the moon”. Do we have the faith to accept that? It’s kind of like the whole faith to be healed and faith not to be healed.

Seeing this vid a year later, and my thoughts are basically: What if 25 years from now we figure out that dark matter isn’t quite what we thought, but it had been referred to in conference? Wouldn’t we just accept that the prophets thoughts were based on the science at the time? And we can move past it recognizing that they’re not given all the knowledge of the universe, just the plan of happiness, and guidance for the day.

I am often reminded that even Ciafas who was the great high priest even received revelation on the issue of Jesus, and yet almost everything else recorded that he did and said was clearly wrong. It is the responsibility of every member to learn by study and by prayer every word that proceeds from their spiritual leaders (that includes women leaders in the church of course).

These are really great words of wisdom.

Remember our leaders are not infallible they are not perfect like us all !

I literally tried looking for an answer to this question today

One thing is that BY said a lot of things and claimed that JS said it

Hi

Perhaps we hope too much for the infallibility of of anything in this world.

very nice... thanks 🙏

Yeah, it's like they've never read the OT

Great video, thank you! The 2 biggest challenges, so far, of the restored gospel and church are; plural marriage and African-descent members banned from receiving the priesthood. On these, the Lord definitely revealed to Joseph Smith to practice plural marriage, which scriptures support, only for those who were called to it, for a short time when women had virtually no rights, virtually no means to support themselves and children and when the church needed to grow quickly to survive. Yes, some members clearly abused plural marriage and misunderstood it, but we should understand it and move on and know it was a commandment only for a short time. Neither the scriptures, nor revealed revelation supports black members ever being banned from receiving the priesthood, this was obviously Brigham Young appeasing the Fed. gov't and his own bigoted beliefs, and no president of the church afterwards fully questioned its validity until Spencer Kimball, who received inspiration to do away with the ban that tarnished the church and negatively impacted so many members. It was a mistake that needs to be fully recognized as that and move on. We should do away with false dogma and traditions in the church and work to fully embrace Jesus Christ and his teachings.

I want to believe that there are quaker-esque moon residents. Just picture them jumping around from crater to crater with their low gravity! Sadly I don't believe that this is the case, but it sure is a fun image!

Awesome, thank you

The Holy Ghost will confirm truth. In my spiritual development I have to maintain a lot of faith and trust, because I do not have absolute knowledge. I trust promptings and act, showing my faith. The confirmation that the Holy Spirit spoke to me usually comes after I act in faith. The only certainty for me is that I do not understand all of God's designs, so I trust Him.

I've always assumed that in the Millennium we will settle on the moon and we will be dressed more modest hence, more like quakers, so if Joseph Smith did say such a thing, he was being prophetic and stating what he saw in the scriptures.

Holy Ghost will guard you to all truth !

How To Tell The Difference . . . uh, common sense? . . . What If The Leaders Considered What They Said Revelation? (Even If It's Something So Absurd And Redicolous)

The fact that such scenarios need to be navigated in the first place is silly, and is one of the issues with how the church presents itself and encourages its members to think about its leaders.

"...how do we differentiate between sound and solid doctrine, versus their own personal speculations and opinions?" The same way we do with everyone else in everything else. If we only accept fundamental truth as truth and no riders, then we can try all other things against that framework until it grows large enough to automatically sort every new idea. There is no source we can trust wholly. Not parents, not religious leaders, not even our own understanding and interpretation of what God says to us. They are sources of information from which truth is derived (God is a source of undiluted/polluted truth but his word gets corrupted in the receipt (our understanding/interpretation) all too often). We often learn in hindsight that some profound truth we accepted as personal revelation actually meant something other than what we thought it meant. The more honest we are about that, the better able we are to receive light and knowledge in purity. We do so by being more contemplative and not jumping to conclusions. If I receive a revelation that feels like I will marry a certain person, maybe it means I will marry a person like that person or related to that person or something completely different. If we jump rashly to conclusions we might take it as gospel that God wants us to marry that person rather than pondering and being willing to actually hear what is being said. But then the same happens in conversations day in and day out. People listen and hear what they think is being said or what they want to hear or only enough to think they know where it is going etc... then they interrupt and steamroll over the speaker. Scientists do this all day every day in a completely non-religious way. They have either confirmation bias, or they miss this, that, or the other and interpret the results wrongly due to correlation of some other fallacious logical fallacy that prevents them from learning. "Science" has more of that than the real, honest, pure pursuit of knowledge and always has. Just as "science" is the ideal, so is divine inspiration. It is perfect only when it is perfect and never when it's not. You cannot hold science and religion to different standards and pretend to be honest. Ultimately religion is either the grandest experiment in fiction or in science.

I expect church leaders to be experts on revelation. Can church leaders tell the difference between spiritual promptings and their own thoughts? It shouldn't be that complicated.

Brigham Young said his discourses are as good as Scripture. “I say now, when they [his discourses] are copied and approved by me they are as good Scripture as is couched in this Bible . . . ” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 13, p. 264; see also p. 95). Nice try though.

Another good standard is to look at who owns the copyright of the text. Doctrine will always be found in official manual, handbooks, and scriptures. In many conversations with critics have quoted of alleged doctrines that when I look up the citations I have found, that like the example David uses, they are third hand hearsay from decades after the fact. Or they are quotes made years before the individual was ordained an apostle or prophet. It is important to know when someone made a statement, what was the context, and who reported it. Both apologists and critics are sometimes too quick to assume a quote attributed to a past leader is accurate just because it matches their personal opinion. Making sure quotes attributed to leaders come from primary sources, like actual Church publications, is a good first step. If a so called doctrine comes from, "My grandfather remembers Elder X say Y at a Ward conference..." then perhaps there needs to be more investigation.

Nice job, David. General Authorities are entitled to have their own personal opinions, too. Moses may have been God's prophet but, Jethro, his father-in-law had to teach him about sharing responsibilities with others. Imperfect people have always been God's chosen leaders.

It's written to help the Church Read KJV Holy Bible 1 Corinthians 6:1-4

Revelation 6:10-11 KJV Holy Bible Revelation 3 it's for us now....

I love this. The Word of Wisdom I see as just speculative and not doctrine. Makes me feel much better after watching this and can now pick and choose what is and isn't important!

Let’s take a look at Joseph’s “doctrine” of polygamy. Consistency: inconsistent with scripture (Jacob chapter 2) and the teachings of the church at the time. Unity: Other leaders of the church morally opposed to the practice Frequency: Joseph was practicing in secret for years. So no one else was talking about it at all. Divinity: most people I talk to think it’s strange to imagine god commanding Joseph to take up multiple wives when Emma hated it. Most people also have a hard time viewing polygamy as a godly duty. Seems like if you were around in the 1830s, you would’ve called this out as a mistake from the prophet.

So when a leader of the church writes a book its a waste of time going to read it because some of it could be false. and now we are have to 'fact check' what they write or say or may have said against the scriptures and what other prophets say just to determine whether or not they were speaking as a prophet or speaking as a man. that just sounds like a big get out of jail free ticket to me and an excuse. I'm not buying that at all

Two great keys to know if it is personal opinion is: 1. If the comment or doctrine is found in official manuals, handbooks, or scriptures. 2. If it has been taught in General Conference by multiple people. If it doesn't follow that or is found in one book/document, oftentimes it is that person's opinion

Mental gymnastics on full display right here.

Why follow someone with opinions and personal beliefs like that he's obviously not all there how can you take anything he says serious

This guy pronounces the T in “often”, which completely undermines his credibility.

Trustworthy sources: “The following sources are trustworthy for learning the gospel of Jesus Christ: the scriptures, official statements and conference addresses by the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, and official Church publications.” (Why is it important to teach pure doctrine?, Sunday School: Come, Follow Me) How to determine LDS Doctrine: According to the LDS Church, LDS Prophets, Seers and Revelators (a.k.a. Q15) have the right, the power, the authority, and the duty to declare the mind and will of God and His doctrine to His people and to the world. The LDS Church also teaches that LDS doctrine is not hidden in an obscure paragraph of a single talk but is taught frequently and by many, is consistently proclaimed in official Church publications, and is not difficult to find. “...when the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve speak with a united voice, it is the voice of the Lord…” (M. Russell Ballard, Stay in the Boat and Hold On!, General Conference, October 2014) “We value scholarship that enhances understanding, but in the Church today, just as anciently, establishing the doctrine of Christ or correcting doctrinal deviations is a matter of divine revelation to those the Lord endows with apostolic authority. In 1954, President J. Reuben Clark Jr., then a counselor in the First Presidency, explained how doctrine is promulgated in the Church and the preeminent role of the President of the Church. Speaking of members of the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, he stated: ‘[We] should [bear] in mind that some of the General Authorities have had assigned to them a special calling; they possess a special gift; they are sustained as prophets, seers, and revelators, which gives them a special spiritual endowment in connection with their teaching of the people. They have the right, the power, and authority to declare the mind and will of God to his people, subject to the over-all power and authority of the President of the Church’...How does the Savior reveal His will and doctrine to prophets, seers, and revelators? He may act by messenger or in His own person. He may speak by His own voice or by the voice of the Holy Spirit-a communication of Spirit to spirit that may be expressed in words or in feelings that convey understanding beyond words (see 1 Nephi 17:45; D&C 9:8). He may direct Himself to His servants individually or acting in council (see 3 Nephi 27:1-8)...These same patterns are followed today in the restored Church of Jesus Christ. The President of the Church may announce or interpret doctrines based on revelation to him (see, for example, D&C 138). Doctrinal exposition may also come through the combined council of the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (see, for example, Official Declaration 2). Council deliberations will often include a weighing of canonized scriptures, the teachings of Church leaders, and past practice. But in the end, just as in the New Testament Church, the objective is not simply consensus among council members but revelation from God. It is a process involving both reason and faith for obtaining the mind and will of the Lord.” (D. Todd Christofferson, The Doctrine of Christ, General Conference, April 2012) “Not every statement made by a Church leader, past or present, necessarily constitutes doctrine. A single statement made by a single leader on a single occasion often represents a personal, though well-considered, opinion, but is not meant to be officially binding for the whole Church. With divine inspiration, the First Presidency (the prophet and his two counselors) and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (the second-highest governing body of the Church) counsel together to establish doctrine that is consistently proclaimed in official Church publications.” (Approaching Mormon Doctrine, LDS Newsroom, May 2007) "A few question their faith when they find a statement made by a Church leader decades ago that seems incongruent with our doctrine. There is an important principle that governs the doctrine of the Church. The doctrine is taught by all 15 members of the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve. It is not hidden in an obscure paragraph of one talk. True principles are taught frequently and by many. Our doctrine is not difficult to find." (Neil L. Andersen, Trial of Your Faith, General Conference, Oct 2012) Therefore, the teachings approved and taught frequently for 100+ years by many Q15 members which were consistently proclaimed in official Church publications and thus not difficult to find, must be church doctrine. However, today, the church is “disavowing” many of those past doctrines even though they were approved and taught by many Q15 members over multiple generations, were published in contemporary Official LDS Church publications, were easy to find, and many were specifically called “doctrine” of the church by the contemporary Q15 members. I find it very unimpressive that LDS leaders claim to receive direct revelation from God, yet frequently rely on apologists to rescue them by ambiguating their claims when said claims contradict basic science or even other LDS doctrinal claims.

Its a cop out

Yea, you can't nullify prophecy. Prophecy must come true, period. Or the person making the prophecy is false! Also the whole looking for guidance from the spirit sounds nice, but demons exist, and they can give good feelings. The only test for someone who believes in Jesus Christ of Nazareth, is to compare anything new to the uncorrupted, plainly written, Bible. I want to see you all in heaven, but the gospel is clear, by Grace ALONE we are saved.

The doctrine of your church is contrary to the Bible, according to Joseph Smith he believes that God is an exalted man, I do not think you can discard what the man who founded the Mormon church says. Joseph Smith also says that Jesus was created by God and Mary, yes, procreation took place. Also, Jesus was created in heaven, God and a Mother God procreated in heaven and Jesus was created! Brigham Young states that there are many Gods in your religion, you are a polytheist religion, do you discard what Brigham Young says also?

What people don’t get who have fallen away is that just as light from a fire spreads and becomes brighter the more fuel that keeps feeding it, so to is the restoration. We started out with a few lit coals: the Bible, Martin Luther & John Calvin, then Joseph, then Brigham, then the rest of the prophets until now and the restoration continues to grow brighter and brighter until “they that come shall burn them up” or in other words, the people will become sanctified by Christ’s righteousness and be able to receive Him (who believe). They shall be spiritually burned and sanctified and caught up to meet Him. There are also those who will burn with shame. And they will come to kneel before the Christ that they rejected begging forgiveness. For every knee shall bow and every tongue confess Jesus is the Christ. (See Malachi 4, Joseph Smith History)

3:43 is exactly why we can set aside the plural marriage aspects of D&C 132 🥰

Whoa, whoa, whoa slow down there partner. 1. There is at times a difference between what is “official church doctrine” and what is true doctrine. 2. The litmus test for true doctrine given by Elder Andersen does not even pass as doctrine when applied to itself. This idea of “true doctrine is only what is taught frequently by many church leaders” is a relatively modern construct. Why is Elder Andersen’s declaration authoritative if it doesn’t pass it’s own litmus test?

This doesn’t explain Joseph claiming the book of Abraham being divinely inspired on the same level as the Bible , telling his wife God told him an angel would kill her if she complained about his multiple affairs , Brigham young teaching blood atonement (apostate murder) as being direct revelation from God .

keep drinking' that kool-aid buddy.

I know at least one man with strong arms was on the moon. Armstrong, the first man on the moon--- but no women were there so -- no we don't have any people living on the moon.

That’s a lot of hoop jumping for the words of modern day prophets.