Why did the Book of Mormon have so many mistakes? | with Royal Skousen 

We all now know - full well - your false Mormon prophets (past and present) are literally documented, verified and proven whitewashers, deceivers and outright liars of Mormon history, doctrines and finances. They are literal proven liars. Even the false Mormon prophets are now attempting to explain away - on their very own web site - many historical facts that were previously called “anti-Mormon lies” - now the Mormon leaders are admitting that they are actually not lies, but actual true historical facts. Although much of their explanations are still whitewashed and full of flowery manipulation … Why?? Because the False Mormon Prophets are literally “fearful liars”… they fear the FULL TRUTH of Mormonism knowing full well if they taught the Complete and Honest TRUTH of Mormonism’s history, doctrines, and financial affairs to their members… their church would crumble into oblivion, and their worldly power and glory and riches would disappear! So of course they lie with great cunning and deception! The false Mormon prophets LITERALLY FEAR THE TRUTH - knowing full well the truth will FREE their followers from the awful chains of the massive Mormon manipulation and deception! Revelation 21:8 “But the FEARFUL, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” The false Mormon prophets are fearful liars - and if they do not repent and denounce the Mormon “false gospel” about a “false christ” and admit they deceive “with great signs and wonders” as they steal the name of Jesus Christ and put it in their name and on their books and churches! If they do not repent - then the SECOND DEATH awaits them .. they will be cut off from the One and Only Lord God JESUS CHRIST… and cast in to the lake of fire… as it is clearly revealed in Relations 21:8. And so it is clear! “The Great and Spacious Building” of Mormonism is literally cracking and crumbling under the shear weight of ALL THE LIES and DECEPTIONS forced down upon it by the false Mormon prophets! Repent and come unto The One and Only True God, creator of the universe and savior of the world - Jesus Christ - who is full of love and grace! Amen Jesus is enough

>soak Oof.

@@williamjameslehy1341 The fact that idea exists is the oof, the word itself is not an oof.

Thank you ❤️

Yes , as soon as I saw. Skousen. I clicked. Because I thought it might be Cleon Skousen. He is one of my favorite authors and historians. I've read many of his books. But then I found this wasn't the same guy. I was still fascinated beyond belief. Things I never thought of before. Amazing.

​@@MrRickb75645To clarify, W Cleon Skousen died in 2006 at the age of 92.

The “Latter Day Saints” jesus LITERALLY does not exist … neither does the “latter day Saints” god. The Mormon god once was a “created” mortal man, now lives “near” a star called kolob, likely has many many wives that bare billions of his children, and is the literal father of Satan, AND the “Latter Day Saints” god “ironically” teaches “Latter Day Saints” can become gods exactly like Satan desires to be a god. The Mormon - “Latter Day Saints” - god is a created, COMPLETELY UNBIBLICAL, polytheistic (multiple - endless - gods)likely polygamist, FALSE god. Christians do not believe in the same god or gospel as Mormons in any way shape or form. Christians believe in The One and Only True God Jesus Christ found in the Bible. Mormonism literally worships false gods. As Aposed to The True and Living Jesus Christ who is literally The One and Only God, creator of the universe and savior of the world! True Christians follow the one and ONLY Lord, God and savior Jesus Christ... not the false Mormon christ who is Satan’s bother. The deception is clearly revealed.

@@lightwalker2655 Your constant copy/paste of the same thing is serously obnoxious. It gets in the way, doesn't change anyone's mind, and pisses off everyone who isn't you. Pretty please, with sugar, just go away.

@@MichaelSmith-fq3pg the Truth always offends those of whom it convicts… We will never “go away” … we will testify of The One And Only Lord God Jesus Christ, the creator of the universe and savior of the world. The Mormon hypocrisy is breathtaking! Mormonism literally repeats its self at nauseam! Mormons apologists - just like you -,CANT STAND individuals pointing out the ACTUAL TRUTH of the Mormon deception and manipulation! The very foundation of Mormonism literally starts off condemning and “attacking” all other churches ... Mormonism’s “official version” of Joseph Smith’s first vision ... (which is actually the FOURTH version of at least NINE other totally different versions of the “first vision”) ... it clearly condemns and “ATTACKS” all other churches (JSH 1:19) saying ... ALL churches are wrong, ALL their creeds are an ABOMINATION to God, and ALL their professors are CORRUPT .... Mormonism literally “DAMNS” the whole world with MORE of their demeaning viscous and attacking Anti-Christian doctrine. Just read (1 Nephi 14:10) it literally says there are ONLY 2 churches, the church of God (Mormons) and the Church of the DEVIL (everyone else). Then it literally goes on to say, “whoso belongeth NOT to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the WHORE of all the earth!” THEN ... while Mormons own foundational doctrine condemns all other religions.... Mormons take a play right out of Satan’s playbook using massive deception techniques... ... crying and complaining about Mormon “religious persecution” ...and telling people to “love one another” ... all the while literally persecuting the whole world with their own words and condemning doctrine... What the??? That is so horribly hypocritical, arrogant, and dismissive ... I think we are getting a hint who their real leader is ... let’s continue... Christians will NEVER stop defending themselves and their Lord, God and Savior, Jesus Christ from the “Mormon war” on Christianity. True Christians will defend themselves against ALL (including Mormons) who attack the TRUE Jesus Christ who is the One and Only God, creator of all the universe and savior of the world...just as we have been doing for thousands of years. FACT ... Mormons do NOT believe Jesus is the One and Only God! FACT .... Mormonism actually teaches Jesus is Satan’s Brother NOT the One and Only God, creator of the universe and savior of the world... FACT .... Mormons believe God was once a mortal man ... and his father and grandfather (on an on) were ALL once mortal men as well!! Mormonism literally teaches “polytheism” (endless Gods) ... Mormons literally think they TOO can become a God EXACTLY like Satan thinks he can be a god! The deception is clearly revealed! Again ... wake up! FACT ... The false Mormon prophets and apostles literally teach God was once a little man like them! And not only that - Gods father and Grandfather - on and on forever - were ALL little men too ...”polytheism” ENDLESS GODS!! FACT .... Mormonism literally preaches “another gospel” just as in Galatians 1:8-9 “ “But though we, or an angel from heaven (Moroni), preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man (Joseph Smith) preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” And FACT ... the Mormon “Other Gospel” literally preaches about a “false Christ” by “false prophets”, who “deceive the elect with great signs and wonders”. Exactly as it says in Matt 24:24 “For there shall arise false Christs (brother of Satan), and false prophets (Mormon leaders), and shall shew great signs and wonders (Book of Mormon); insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect (you).” FACT ... The false Mormon prophets and apostles literally TAKE DOWN the cross of Jesus and hide it away ... then PUT UP a giant Golden man/angel atop all its temples. FACT ... Mormonism mocks Jesus Christ and his atoning sacrifice on the cross by teaching Jesus and his atonement - ALONE - was NOT enough to save the word! Mormonism teaches you MUST pay the Mormon Church in order to get into the temple, in order to have “saving ordinances” in order to be “saved” to the highest “Mormon version” of “heaven” with God. Then “maybe” after that ... the Mormon version of Jesus can save them ... “maybe”. FACT .... The false Mormon prophets and apostles literally STOLE the name of Jesus and put it on their churches and temples... and by doing so.... AGAIN ... “deceive the elect with great signs and wonders”. FACT .... Mormonism “says” it follows Jesus. Then Mormonism mocks Jesus with it’s evil doctrines that diminish the power and authority of God ... and elevate mans “power and authority” to becoming Gods ... exactly like Satan wants to be God! The deception is clearly revealed! FACT ... Mormons fight against ALL other Christians with their horrible doctrines! Hello! That is literally the DEFINITION of being “ANTI-CHRISTIAN”! Wake up ... Mormons are BY DEFINITION Anti-Christian AND in a quasi Christian cult and they don’t even know it! So sad ... yet so so revealing. Again ... Jesus surely did say Love One another. And one of the most powerful and true forms of Love is being 100% honest and telling the COLD HARD TRUTH. Which is exactly what we are doing as we defend Jesus against the Mormon War on Jesus and his True Christian ✝️ followers! Unlike The false Mormon prophets and apostles that are FACTUALLY and literally documented, verified and proven whitewashers, deceivers, and outright LIARS of Mormonism’s history, doctrines and finances! THEY are proven LIARS.. and continue to lie!! Satan is the father of ALL lies!! Hello 👋!!! It’s very obvious who leads the quasi Christian cult of Deception- as Satan steals Jesus Christ’s name ... and by doing so Satan is deceiving the very elect! so so sick. Wake up!! Anyone truly HONEST with themselves and with God knows .... Jesus Christ would NEVER tell his “only true church” to whitewash, cover up, deceive and outright lie about its REAL history, doctrines and finances... NEVER! That one fact alone proves Mormonism is a false gospel! FACT ... If the false Mormon prophets and apostles were truly honest, they would name the Mormon church an honest name! The most honest name of the Mormon church is: The Church of S A T A N S B R O T H E R of Latter-Day Satan’s Bothers and Sisters FACT ... That way the world would know the FALSE entity Mormons actually believe in … Also, that name would not offend any Mormon because it is in perfect line with Mormon doctrine. For those Mormons who are interested in being honest with themselves and with God ... here is a wonderful place to “START” learning about the MASSIVE whitewashing and lies of Mormonism. Dan Vogel is a world renown Mormon Scholar and Historian ... he has dozens and dozens of documentary style RU-vid videos of documented, verified and proven Mormon History! 👍❤️👍 I pray God will bless you with “eyes to see and ears to hear” in HIS name Jesus Christ, Amen 🙏 God Bless 😇✝️❤️ please continue with your reply’s. .. they are so revealing... keep speaking as we all clearly see the enormous “black pit” of Mormon deception... and clearly witness the TRUE Jesus Christ fill it with his truth, light and ❤️ love! Amen 🙏 Jesus is ENOUGH 😇✝️❤️🙏

Hello, I would just like to encourage you to use more than feelings to know what is true. God has told us specifically not to trust our hearts as they are wicked and deceiving. Truth should be found through study and prayer to seek wisdom not feelings. Emotions are the easiest thing to manipulate. You should study any cult specifically identifying the BITE model that all of them use to manipulate the emotions of the people they get to believe their lies. Study any cult you like so that you don't have any personal bias as you do the research then take an honest look at the church. They use all of the the same tactics from the BITE model to manipulate peoples emotions into believing their teachings instead of any facts or evidence that proves it is a false religion. Please study the authenticity of the Bible and then actually study the New Testament book of John from the perspective of a child letting it teach you instead of reading it looking for verses that seem to teach what you have been taught they teach. The entire church is built on taking verses out of context to use as evidence to support their claims.

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Unfortunately the actual truth is the Book of Mormon does not stand on its own. It’s a proven fabrication and plagiarism, full of anachronisms and ridiculous non-historical stories. The only way it stands is by people with literal self inflicted “blindness and deafness” - willing to ignore the actual proven facts right in front of them. Ignorance truly is bliss for the “self inflicted” blind, deaf Mormon apologists. We all now know - full well - your false Mormon prophets (past and present) are literally documented, verified and proven whitewashers, deceivers and outright liars of Mormon history, doctrines and finances. They are literal proven liars. Even the false Mormon prophets are now attempting to explain away - on their very own web site - many historical facts that were previously called “anti-Mormon lies” - now the Mormon leaders are admitting that they are actually not lies, but actual true historical facts. Although much of their explanations are still whitewashed and full of flowery manipulation … Why?? Because the False Mormon Prophets are literally “fearful liars”… they fear the FULL TRUTH of Mormonism knowing full well if they taught the Complete and Honest TRUTH of Mormonism’s history, doctrines, and financial affairs to their members… their church would crumble into oblivion, and their worldly power and glory and riches would disappear! So of course they lie with great cunning and deception! The false Mormon prophets LITERALLY FEAR THE TRUTH - knowing full well the truth will FREE their followers from the awful chains of the massive Mormon manipulation and deception! Revelation 21:8 “But the FEARFUL, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” The false Mormon prophets are fearful liars - and if they do not repent and denounce the Mormon “false gospel” about a “false christ” and admit they deceive “with great signs and wonders” as they steal the name of Jesus Christ and put it in their name and on their books and churches! If they do not repent - then the SECOND DEATH awaits them .. they will be cut off from the One and Only Lord God JESUS CHRIST… and cast in to the lake of fire… as it is clearly revealed in Relations 21:8. And so it is clear! “The Great and Spacious Building” of Mormonism is literally cracking and crumbling under the shear weight of ALL THE LIES and DECEPTIONS forced down upon it by the false Mormon prophets! Repent and come unto The One and Only True God, creator of the universe and savior of the world - Jesus Christ - who is full of love and grace! Amen Jesus is enough

@@avenged1110 what does it matter?

@@avenged1110 what do you preach? or what are your beliefs? Do you dare say?

Sorry I don't know why you or Shawn Bradford of tapir rider get so angry.

@@stanleyhall8951 “Do you dare say?” … oh my my .. the arrogance and ignorance of the self inflicted “blind and deaf” anti-Christian … it is truly astonishing to witness! We are saved by the grace and love of Jesus Christ - right now - in real time - WE ARE SAVED by the blood of Jesus! The Spirit of God and his Truth has made us free from the awful chains of Mormonism’s manipulation and deception. Jesus Christ has written his name on our hearts and we are born again NEW Children of God! Our minds and Spirts are now a part of the worldwide body of Christ - His Only True Church! We have become part of the temple of Jesus Christ, and are now among his True Christian disciples! Jesus Christ truly is The One and Only God, Prophet, Priest and King, creator of the universe and savior of the world! Amen and Amen! … we NOW live in complete honesty and integrity … and our lives have more peace, love and harmony than we ever thought possible as Mormons. It is glorious! Jesus truly is enough. My wife and I grew up our whole lives deceived Mormons. All our extended families were - some still are - deceived Mormons. Knowing NOW full well the PROVEN deception, indoctrination, manipulation, whitewashing and outright lies. We continuously pray to Our Lord God Jesus Christ to rescue the deceived from the proven lies and manipulation of Mormonism. Because of our unyielding testimony of Our Lord God, creator of the universe and savior of the world, Jesus Christ, we will NEVER stop defending The One and Only God Jesus Christ against the horrific and obvious Mormon WAR on Jesus Christ and his True Christian followers. The Word of God clearly testifies against Mormonism and we know those Mormons who are actually honest with themselves and with God will come unto the True Biblical Jesus Christ and denounce the obviously false polytheistic, likely polygamist, 100 percent NON-BIBLICAL, “created”, Mormon god. For those Mormons who are interested in being honest with themselves and with God ... here is a wonderful place to “START” learning about the MASSIVE whitewashing and lies of Mormonism. Dan Vogel is a world renown Mormon Scholar and Historian ... he has dozens and dozens of documentary style RU-vid videos of documented, verified and proven Mormon History. Please Jesus … even if this individual denies you … please touch the hearts, minds and souls of those Mormons that desire to be honest with themselves and with with you dear Lord God. Please give them “eyes to see and ears to hear” please break the dark deception chains of Mormonism that secretly bind them down. In your name Jesus Christ Amen

Yeah, good question. it's understood that the JST was never complete, hence we don't use the JST and we use KJT. That's why JST is mainly found in the footnotes rather than added to the main text. JST is used more like commentary at times. We don't even use a lot of JST you'd have to go online to get the full JST translation know as the "inspired version", which I think was published by the community of Christ (RLDS). hope that makes sense.

@@tansershinasi2932 I just find it interesting that the Joseph Smith translation changed what was, you’re a fool for saying there’s no God to you’re a fool for saying no man has seen God. that re-translation directly benefits Joseph Smith and his claims.

@@tansershinasi2932 What is JKT? Google is failing me.

I’m curious about this one Isaiah verse thats sits different surrounded by an ocean of perfectly identical Isaiah verses. Compare Isaiah 8:4 to 2 Nephi 18:4. The 2 Nephi verse doesnt flow and feels grammatically incorrect.

@@Jeff_H_the_Guitarist haha! Sorry I meant KJT (King James translation). Typo

The “Latter Day Saints” jesus LITERALLY does not exist … neither does the “latter day Saints” god. The Mormon god once was a “created” mortal man, now lives “near” a star called kolob, likely has many many wives that bare billions of his children, and is the literal father of Satan, AND the “Latter Day Saints” god “ironically” teaches “Latter Day Saints” can become gods exactly like Satan desires to be a god. The Mormon - “Latter Day Saints” - god is a created, COMPLETELY UNBIBLICAL, polytheistic (multiple - endless - gods)likely polygamist, FALSE god. Christians do not believe in the same god or gospel as Mormons in any way shape or form. Christians believe in The One and Only True God Jesus Christ found in the Bible. Mormonism literally worships false gods. As Aposed to The True and Living Jesus Christ who is literally The One and Only God, creator of the universe and savior of the world! True Christians follow the one and ONLY Lord, God and savior Jesus Christ... not the false Mormon christ who is Satan’s bother. The deception is clearly revealed.

@@lightwalker2655 The Book of Mormon teaches of Jesus Christ, the one and only. Unless you are saying there was more than one person named Jesus, mother named Mary, who died in order to conquer death and sin, and then came back as a resurrected being, it's the same being we are seeking. The Book of Mormon leads people to love Him. Just read it with an open mind, not a mind convinced by what others have told you, and you will find it is from God.

@@tzaylor amazing how Mormonism so desperately wants to pretend their god is the same as The One and Only True Lord God Jesus Christ… it’s truly astonishing the deception. All the while ignoring the actual facts right in from of themselves. The “Latter Day Saints” jesus LITERALLY does not exist … neither does the “latter day Saints” god. The Mormon god once was a “created” mortal man, now lives “near” a star called kolob, likely has many many wives that bare billions of his children, and is the literal father of Satan, AND the “Latter Day Saints” god “ironically” teaches “Latter Day Saints” can become gods exactly like Satan desires to be a god. The Mormon - “Latter Day Saints” - god is a created, COMPLETELY UNBIBLICAL, polytheistic (multiple - endless - gods)likely polygamist, FALSE god. Christians do not believe in the same god or gospel as Mormons in any way shape or form. Christians believe in The One and Only True God Jesus Christ found in the Bible. Mormonism literally worships false gods. As Aposed to The True and Living Jesus Christ who is literally The One and Only God, creator of the universe and savior of the world! True Christians follow the one and ONLY Lord, God and savior Jesus Christ... not the false Mormon christ who is Satan’s bother. The deception is clearly revealed. If the false Mormon prophets were actually honest they would name their church an honest name. The most honest name of the Mormon church is The Church of S A T A N S B R O T H E R of Latter-Day Satan’s Brothers and Sisters That way the whole world would know the false “entity” that Mormons believe in. Also, that name would not offend ANY Mormon because it is in perfect harmony with Mormon doctrine. We all now know - full well - the false Mormon prophets (past and present) are literally documented, verified and proven whitewashers, deceivers and outright liars of Mormon history, doctrines and finances. They are literal proven liars. Even the false Mormon prophets are now attempting to explain away - on their very own web site - many historical facts that were previously called “anti-Mormon lies” - now the Mormon leaders are admitting that they are actually not lies, but actual true historical facts. Although much of their explanations are still whitewashed and full of flowery manipulation … why?? Because the False Mormon Prophets are literally “fearful liars” Revelations 21:8. Not telling the full truth - covering up - whitewashing - are ALL forms of deception, manipulation, and straight up lying!! Again…. The Mormon leaders are literally documented, verified and proven liars period … we all clearly know this. ANYONE actually honest with themselves and with God knows, Jesus Christ would never tell his “only true church” to whitewash, cover up, deceive and outright lie about its own history, finances and doctrines. That one fact alone proves Mormonism is a total false gospel. I truly pray that God will give you, and all Mormons, “eyes to see” and “ears to hear” the true gospel of Jesus Christ filled with unconditional love and grace. We pray in HIS name Jesus Christ, amen 🙏 Jesus is enough ❤️😇✝️🙏

@@tzaylor Joseph Smith is a sham and you know it. He was supposed to be a prophet who was worthy enough to see the Trinity yet he was a sham. You have to admit it and those are facts. How could a prophet kill another human being like the con artist did?

@@tzaylor it looks as some of these other people coming on here are representing members of the great and spacious building. There will be scoffers and naysayers of the last days.

Experts also lied or found lying many times. They are not perfect, ar times they based their evidences on presumtion or assumption. An expert with the gift or help of the Holy Spirit is always proved correct or right......however, the world expert always try to confuse the facts to become unbelievable.

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Jim Bennett addresses it in his CES letter response, and on the "Mormonism with the Murph" podcast, he's helped me clear a lot of things up. In his CES letter response, he directly addresses these verses: "Here’s 3 Nephi 13:25 in full: And now it came to pass that when Jesus had spoken these words he looked upon the twelve whom he had chosen, and said unto them: Remember the words which I have spoken. For behold, ye are they whom I have chosen to minister unto this people. Therefore I say unto you, take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? So it turns out the Book of Mormon directs this passage to the apostles and not to the church membership at large and therefore departs from the KJV in precisely the same way the JST does, only it does so using different language. Thus the JST isn’t correcting the Book of Mormon at all; they’re both saying the same thing." -Page 29 of "A CES Letter Reply: Faithful Answers For Those Who Doubt"

Check out the kingdom of the Cults, by Walter Martin. That is the best deep dive into Mormon Theology and history I've ever come across. He does an entire section on the King James errors that made their way into Smith's translation. Smith wasn't shy about plagiarism. He lifts almost entire chapters word-for-word.

I don't find it odd at all considering the path from original to the printing and how anyone could have "corrected" the text to match the Bible.

@@briandavis6898 but that isn't true. The original BoM Isaiah text haven't changed at all and are exactly the same as what is in the current BoM.

@@jackburton307 because we don't have the original manuscript of the book of Mormon (which you would know if your watched the video) and it wasn't until then late 1981 publication when the church went to early manuscripts to correct century old errors. And simply put, we don't have a source to compare to.

@@briandavis6898 we have the first edition BoM that was printed off the manuscript and the Isaiah passages are exactly the same as the current edition of the BoM. Are you saying the first edition BoM is not the same as the original manuscript? Regardless, that reasoning makes no sense with the Isaiah passages. You're telling me someone purposely change the first edition BoM Isaiah text to copy verbatim the KJV of the Bible (translation error and all) when they were different on the original manuscript? You do realize how absurd that sounds, right?

@@jackburton307 the first edition was made from the printers manuscript not the original manuscript, and all three had errors in them that Joseph Smith began to correct. Did you even watch the video?

An earlier edition of the Book of Mormon

It's the printer's manuscript and/or the original manuscript with annotations.

I'm not a scholar and I'm not very intellectual. So I'm not caught up in mistakes. For myself I am content knowing for myself that I know the stick of Judah and stick of Joseph are one book in thine hand which I know is true through reading scriptures searching scriptures and seeking and asking the Lord . I got my answer and that's good e ought for me

"a God". Isaiah 43:10 ?

Yes because Jehova of the old testament is Jesus of the new testament. True statement made in Isaiah besides the Lord there is no savior, who is Jesus Christ, the Son of the living God.

I read Rough Stone Rolling and I am finishing up No Man Knows My History. No Man... has strengthened my testimony of Joseph Smith as much as any book I have read. So What is your main issue with the Book of Mormon?

Besides Polyandry, it was the science that did it for me. DNA, Archaeological issues, and Linguistics showing no relationship of our indigenous languages to Hebrew or Egyptian.

@@sarak6860 Just because critics tell you that DNA, archaeology and linguistics show evidence against the authenticity of the Book of Mormon, doesn’t mean they actually do. They actually do not. And in reality, archaeology and linguistics are strong evidence supporting the authenticity of the Book of Mormon. If you do a deeper dive into DNA and the Book of Mormon you will find that it is impossible to use this science to prove or disprove the Book of Mormon. We don’t have enough information about Lehi’s DNA to know what to match it to for one thing. The critics base all of their argument here on false assumptions and zero science. If you want more details on this or want to learn the reality of archaeology and linguistics with the Book of Mormon, tell me precisely which argument the critics make that you want debunked and I will be glad to do the deep dive with you.

@@thebenplatt Thanks for sharing your concerns. First of all, the ways the Father and the Son are described in the version we use today do not contradict what we find in the first edition. Please remember that it is easy to assume contradictions in any human conversation, especially if you are looking for contradictions. It is more difficult to find understanding. Experts agree that in the vast majority of arguments between people they would actually be agreeing with each other if they truly understood each other. Conflict and misunderstanding naturally happen without effort to understand. Critics of the Book of Mormon take advantage of this human tendency and seek misunderstanding instead of understanding. I can easily show you how the passages they use to show contradiction can easily be understood to be harmonious. Once you understand the bigger picture, harmony actually makes more sense than the assumption of contradiction. The DNA problem actually doesn’t exist. The scientific facts here cannot be scientifically applied to the Book of Mormon. Any bonafide population geneticist will tell you that it is impossible to use DNA to prove or disprove the authenticity of the Book of Mormon. Check out this video and the links in its description if you really want to understand this complex issue. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--yZ7WEfPOx8.html There are indeed languages that can be described as “reformed Egyptian”. In fact almost every form of Egyptian can be described as reformed Egyptian. This is one of the more silly arguments made by critics. Anachronisms can actually be used as support FOR the Book of Mormon much better than they can be used against it. But you need to know all of the facts available to see the whole picture here. If you consider all of the anachronisms critics have assumed about the Book of Mormon and compare that to how many have since been proven to not be anachronistic, you will see that the tables are turned quite dramatically here. Let me know if you want to do a deep dive on this and I would love to do that with you. Plagiarism is another quite silly argument of the critics when you consider all of the facts. I’d be glad to go into greater depth here as well if you wish. When you examine the actual claims of plagiarism and what Joseph Smith claimed, it is clear that nothing even fits the definition of what plagiarism is. The assumption that Joseph was convicted of a crime involving “glass looking” is false. It is referring to an examination by a judge with witnesses in 1826. This was not a trial but only an examination and therefore could not have resulted in any kind of verdict. Here’s a link to an article that breaks this down: www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/conference/august-2002/the-1826-trial-of-joseph-smith It is understandable to balk at the claim of physical instruments used in the divine translation process or for other purposes by someone claiming to be a prophet of God. But such aids to facilitate the communication of God’s power and inspiration are consistent with accounts in the Bible. In addition to the Urim and Thummim, the Bible mentions other physical instruments used to access God’s power: the rod of Aaron, a brass serpent, holy anointing oils, the Ark of the Covenant, and even dirt from the ground mixed with saliva to heal the eyes of a blind man. Joseph of Egypt owned a cup that the Bible claims he used for divining. Just because the Bible points out that Satan can inspire misuse of such things does not mean they cannot be used for God’s purposes or in innocent ways. Doesn’t the fact that many of the witnesses later became disaffected from the church and even enemies of Joseph Smith without ever denying their testimony overwhelmingly outweigh the fact that they were related to each other or were friends at the time of their witness? The Hill Cumorah issue is also a nonissue. Most scholars believe that the hill in NY is not the same hill the Book of Mormon calls Cumorah. The original one in the book could be anywhere in the Americas. There are not enough clues in the text to positively identify any specific geographic location in the Americas mentioned in the Book of Mormon. The old world is quite a different story. There have been specific locations identified in the Middle East that are mentioned in the Book of Mormon that Joseph couldn’t have known about when the book was published. I could go into much more detail on any of these issues you have brought up. If you’re interested, we can take a deep dive into one at a time to discover the whole truth.

@@thebenplatt I looked into these sciences for myself. There are also serious issues with the Book of Abraham that I looked deeply into. Many historical things grate me, especially Polyandry. I can't tell anyone else how or what to believe, but for myself, I can't believe in Mormonism anymore.

I don't get this either. Anyone else get what he meant here?

He’s specifically referring to the words revealed to Joseph Smith in the seer stone. According to the evidence, he read out the words that appeared to him and dictated in phrases as he saw. The specific vocabulary that Joseph Smith dictated was slightly archaic as he meant. Not that the original untranslated text was 1500’s vocabulary English, rather that what was dictated was not a modern (for his time.) declaration of words

@@Chief592 That still doesnt make sense why is joseph dicating with 1500s style english. Why is he not using 1800s style english. Make sense if he copied large transcripts of apygrapha that came from the 1500s and was fraudulent. This is confusing and kind of damaging to Joseph. If he is borrowing from apygrapha his plagarism would dictate from the 1500s depending on how old the religious texts used were Someone help... this is getting upsetting. The guy needs to explain why Joseph is talking like someone from the 1500s.

@@mrs.therapist6122 The idea that JS might have somehow used 300-year old apocrypha only makes sense if you can show any evidence at all for it. Where could JS have gotten ahold of such a thing, and how could he possibly plagiarize them without anyone ever recognizing it as such and saying something about it at some point during the past two centuries? No, the most reasonable explanation I’m aware of for the Book of Mormon being given with that sort of vocabulary is that it was sufficiently similar to the existing book of scripture that most of the people who would receive the Book of Mormon were already familiar and comfortable with: the King James Bible. God made it easier for them to understand the Book of Mormon as a comparable and complementary work to the Bible, rather than a modern addition or a replacement. It unifies the two.

@@mrs.therapist6122 there is no evidence of any book, transcript or any writing present at all during the time it took to write down the Book of Mormon, evidence doesn’t support that. As was said, people of this region of the United States were most familiar with the King James Bible and if you believe in the Bible then take the word in John 14:26, which declares that the spirit can bring all things to our remembrance. Which certainly includes vocabulary choice, just because something is slightly archaic doesn’t mean it was copied. If anything it stands more reasonable that it wasn’t just written

This couldn’t be more incorrect. Historians and archaeologists have verified all sorts of stuff in the Book of Mormon.

We all now know - full well - your false Mormon prophets (past and present) are literally documented, verified and proven whitewashers, deceivers and outright liars of Mormon history, doctrines and finances. They are literal proven liars. Even the false Mormon prophets are now attempting to explain away - on their very own web site - many historical facts that were previously called “anti-Mormon lies” - now the Mormon leaders are admitting that they are actually not lies, but actual true historical facts. Although much of their explanations are still whitewashed and full of flowery manipulation … Why?? Because the False Mormon Prophets are literally “fearful liars”… they fear the FULL TRUTH of Mormonism knowing full well if they taught the Complete and Honest TRUTH of Mormonism’s history, doctrines, and financial affairs to their members… their church would crumble into oblivion, and their worldly power and glory and riches would disappear! So of course they lie with great cunning and deception! The false Mormon prophets LITERALLY FEAR THE TRUTH - knowing full well the truth will FREE their followers from the awful chains of the massive Mormon manipulation and deception! Revelation 21:8 “But the FEARFUL, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” The false Mormon prophets are fearful liars - and if they do not repent and denounce the Mormon “false gospel” about a “false christ” and admit they deceive “with great signs and wonders” as they steal the name of Jesus Christ and put it in their name and on their books and churches! If they do not repent - then the SECOND DEATH awaits them .. they will be cut off from the One and Only Lord God JESUS CHRIST… and cast in to the lake of fire… as it is clearly revealed in Relations 21:8. And so it is clear! “The Great and Spacious Building” of Mormonism is literally cracking and crumbling under the shear weight of ALL THE LIES and DECEPTIONS forced down upon it by the false Mormon prophets! Repent and come unto The One and Only True God, creator of the universe and savior of the world - Jesus Christ - who is full of love and grace! Amen Jesus is enough

@@avenged1110 We agree that Jesus is enough. The Book of Mormon is literally a second testament of Jesus Christs ministry on Earth. Jesus is MORE than enough. I hope that you are free of sin yourself as you cast stones at those who you are critical of and have disagreements with.

@@spencerdudas691 wow! The hypocrisy is breathtaking! “Free of sin as you cast stones” … the ignorance of your comment is astonishing! The very foundation of Mormonism literally starts off by “CASTING STONES” by “insulting, condescending”, condemning and “attacking” all other churches ... what the??? The Mormon hypocrisy is truly breathtaking … Mormonism literally calls all churches wrong.. and you are pathetically worried about true Christians defending the One and Only True God Jesus Christ against Mormonism??? When you’re own churches doctrine literally trashes all other religions?? The arrogance and hypocrisy is breathtaking …. ignorance truly is bliss for this anti-Christian. Mormonism’s “official version” of Joseph Smith’s first vision ... (which is actually the FOURTH version of at least NINE other totally different versions of the “first vision”) ... it clearly condemns and “ATTACKS” all other churches (JSH 1:19) saying ... ALL churches are wrong, ALL their creeds are an ABOMINATION to God, and ALL their professors are CORRUPT .... Mormonism literally “DAMNS” the whole world with MORE of their demeaning viscous and attacking Anti-Christian doctrine. Just read (1 Nephi 14:10) it literally says there are ONLY 2 churches, the church of God (Mormons) and the Church of the DEVIL (everyone else). Then it literally goes on to say, “whoso belongeth NOT to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the WHORE of all the earth!” THEN ... while Mormons own foundational doctrine condemns all other religions.... Mormons take a play right out of Satan’s playbook using massive deception techniques... ... crying and complaining about Mormon “religious persecution” ...and telling people to “love one another” ... all the while literally persecuting the whole world with their own words and condemning doctrine... What the??? That is so horribly hypocritical, arrogant, and dismissive ... I think we are getting a hint who their real leader is ... Christians will NEVER stop defending themselves and their Lord, God and Savior, Jesus Christ from the “Mormon war” on Christianity. True Christians will defend themselves against ALL (including Mormons) who attack the TRUE Jesus Christ who is the One and Only God, creator of all the universe and savior of the world...just as we have been doing for thousands of years. I pray God will bless you with “eyes to see and ears to hear” in HIS name Jesus Christ, Amen … God Bless … so please continue with your reply’s. .. they are so revealing... keep speaking as we all see you continuously dig the enormous “black pit” of Mormon deception... and clearly witness the TRUE Jesus Christ fill it with his truth, light and love! Amen Jesus is ENOUGH

@@avenged1110 not all of us know full well. sorry.

@@stanleyhall8951 deny deny deny. Ignorance certainly is bliss for the indoctrinated Mormon apologists.

If God gave the translation, God could clothe the writing style in whatever manner He saw fit. I think that the translation given to Joseph Smith was word for word, and that God was responsible for the writing style, and chose it deliberately.

Except they are the exact verses including the mistakes from that version of the Bible.. so plagiarized.

@@randallwall2745 Regardless of if the Book of Mormon is really scripture or not, all the stuff that you are saying is copied is either cited to an Old Testament prophet or is Jesus repeating himself to different people. You aren’t pointing out a mistake, you’re pointing out a feature.

@@randallwall2745 Which "mistakes" from the Bible are you referring to?

Sorry, but God would not use societal, uneducated and ignorant slang when dictating the BOM to Joseph Smith, "the most correct book on the planet"! God would not say, I rode my motorcickle and jumped the crick after doing the warshin of the clothes. God is very straight forward, clear and direct.

Moroni (The last one to write in the book of Mormon which was named after his father which is an abridgment of several books ) took them back with him to heaven when the translation was complete

@@thatgamer6380 why would he take it back?

@@paulolosi1452 Because God commanded him too and there was no use for it being on earth since it was translated

@@thatgamer6380 whaaat! I feel like we would need it more than Heaven would don’t you think? I Know I know God commands it but still, Heaven should already be perfect why would they need the plates?

@@paulolosi1452 there isn't a point to having a book in a language no one can read except through translation through the power of God so there would be no point

Indeed there aren't. Joseph Smith dictated it and the scribes wrote it down in a stream-of-consciousness manner. Many phrases (including "And it came to pass") offer strong clues for when sentences are finished and beginning anew. Lists where every item is prefixed with "and ..." or "or ..." also signify a more ancient style of writing. Punctuation was largely added by the original 1830 typesetter, with minor alterations made in the interim.

Read the comments section of any RU-vid video and you’d find streams of consciousness with no punctuations.

@@ningenJMK Good example, right there.

There were many times if Joseph Smith didn't know how to pronounce a word, he would spell out the word.

​@@elderinisraelsource for that?

Always read the original text and in the original language. Making a complicated text “modern” will change minute phrases here and there, but those minute changes or re-interpretation might change the nuances of passages.

Check out the Book of Mormon for Young Readers, it does this, plus has maps and lovely artwork.

@@danielaramburo7648 Obviously the original would be better. Why you feel the need to lecture randos online, man? Seems like a poor use of your time. Especially for someone as brilliant as you.

@@danielaramburo7648: Isn’t reformed Egyptian the original language?

First we’d have to have an LDS apostles with the balls to “translate” it. Because all meaningful revelation stopped after Joe. But, it likely will never happen because then you can’t cloud the language to warp contradictions and double speak out of it.

Look up Royal's presentations at BYU. He addresses all these issues. Also look in the 1832 webster's dictionary (free online) to better understand what "translation" means (transmitted - as in "...we believe the Bible to be correct as far as it is translated (transmitted) correctly..."

@@sidunrau7880 What translation meant in 1832 is irrelevant. It may have not been irrelevant at that time, so here are the definitions I found in a quick google search that turned up the 1828 version of Websters: . The act of removing or conveying from one place to another; removal; as the translation of a disease from the foot to the breast. 2. The removal of a bishop from one see to another. 3. The removal of a person to heaven without subjecting him to death. 4. The act of turning into another language; interpretation; as the translation of Virgil or Homer. 5. That which is produced by turning into another language; a version. We have a good translation of the Scriptures. So if you use a VERY loose interpretation you could argue that the J.S. use of the word translation falls under definition 5. As J.S. claimed that the plates were in reformed Egyptian (which term has its own whole set of issues) to English. The reason I said that these definitions are irrelevant is because in todays vernacular when you say you translate something the idea is that you take from 1 source study that source have a key that they pictures/ symbols mean this in this language and then write that down. That isn't what happened. Even citing the 13 articles of faith the use of translation there refers to the fact that those who had a document of a Biblical nature in a certain language would constantly refer to that document or artifact to then change the language from what it said to the new language. It didn't mean that they looked at the document said oh I think this is Greek, put that document down go into a different room, put a rock at the bottom of a dark bag, stick their head into that bag and then recite to another person what the rock told them that document said. The mistakes in translations weren't because they were making up what they thought the document said it came because they misunderstood what the document/ artifact said and didn't use the right phrase-ology, so that when other looking at that same document could then look and say, "Wait this translation isn't correct." That wasn't what happened to J.S. n the documents that are still available (i.e. the Book of Abraham) it is verifiably proven that Joseph didn't translate those documents correctly. Saying that Joseph Smith received a transmission of the meaning of the plates is entirely different from saying he translated the plates. Now you have to answer how did this transmission occur. what sent the signal? What received the signal How does a rock receive a signal and if he really didn't need the rock (as he later stopped using the seer stone) what was really receiving the transmission? Do you tell people the Book of Mormon is a Transmission of the word of God? Switching words around is a big deal and shouldn't just be dismissed as well it meant one thing 200 years ago but although its changed meaning we still use the same word... That isn't how logical arguments work.

Sure, but as I understand it, the difference is that the extant text of the Quran was not written by Mohammad himself, nor by anyone else while he was still alive. It was written later by his followers. Faithful Muslims nonetheless believe it to be correct and true, but we can logically see the higher probability of changes creeping in either accidentally or by design. That said, it is possible that what Mohammad experienced was indeed revelation from the same God as the One who inspired the writers of the Bible and the Book of Mormon. We would all do well to learn more about the teachings in the Quran even if we don’t fully accept it as canonical in its current iteration. And we can certainly acknowledge the tremendous positive influence that book has had on human society by largely uniting the cultures of now over a billion people in a single monotheistic belief. Before the advent of Islam, those societies were polytheistic, pagan, shamanistic, and far more tribal than they are now. That unity, schisms aside, led to tremendous achievements in science and art centuries before the European renaissance overshadowed it. Personally, I can’t help but perceive that it was a blessing to humanity in the long run.

@@jordanwutkee2548: I’m not sure from your reply, but are you saying the Quran is or is not the word of god?

@@seans5289 No. I’m not saying either of those things.

@@jordanwutkee2548: How would you know if the Quran really were the word of god?

@@seans5289 Three ways. 1) Comparison with other scripture. 2) Declaration of such by living prophets. 3) Personal revelation. As it stands, I have received none of these. I haven’t even read more than a few verses of the book, so my opinion of it is worth little. From what I am aware of, though, in its current iteration it conflicts significantly enough with the scriptures for which I have received personal revelation of truthfulness, that I doubt it would fulfill any of my three criteria. Which is not to say it isn’t still valuable and worth studying at some point.

Except the word scimiter appears in the BoM when such weapons didn’t exist until the Islamic era several centuries after the Nephites were supposedly wiped out.

@@ningenJMK So, you know every weapon in ancient North and South America? Does that include rarer and possibly rusted to oblivion scimiter?

You need to look at Egyptian weapons used at the battle of Kadesh. You are clearly wrong

@Parley Priesthood Pratt Look up "Wayne May Fireside". He has several pictures of curved metal artifacts made out of bronze and iron. How would you call a curved sword?

Just use a rock in a hat….it’s more effective…🎩

Why would he need to? Can you imagine the further criticisms that would result? There are some instances of this happening (in a sense): in some languages there is no simple word for "brother" - has to be "older brother" or "younger brother" so when the BoM was translated into those languages (Thai, for example) there was prophetic guidance concerning "the brother of Jared" (turns out he's older).

@@sidunrau7880 Unfortunately the BOM is a book of 19 th. Century fiction ….. with a bit of biblical plagiarism added in for good measure….🤠

Well, it seems like God and heaven would have had the resources to simply provide a perfect book in the first place...and in multiple languages. But that would be no help to a religious fraudster hoping to make some money by selling a book that he claimed to have translated from golden plates that had been buried for more than a thousand years in a hill near his home, which plates were then conveniently hauled up to a mini-storage unit in heaven by an angel, so as to avoid any direct scrutiny or examination. The "Gospel" is plain, precious and easy to understand...when you really understand what Joe was up to.

Believe me, Mormons have no problem getting past that glaring fact. Their faith in fact requires a personal testimony to its authenticity. It doesn't really matter whats proven or not proven that's how they get around the obvious mistakes

Since this is a recent reply I’m assuming you might look here. Here’s my personal reconciliation. I serve as a Stake Patriarch. The blessings I give are as scripture to those I give them to. At each complete review, after intensive searching for textual errors I send them off. As I sign each blessing I receive a confirmation that the blessing will be fulfilled upon the righteousness of the individual. Upon a later review do I find minor errors? Yes. A forgotten letter here, a missing comma there. Sometimes a mis-spelling. There have been times during the review that what was typed is clearly wrong. I pray for insight, and the correction always comes. It is the MOST correct blessing, maybe the correct enough blessing.. it will serve its purpose.. Gods does speak today. The Book of Mormon will testify of Christ, and by inference that Joseph is a prophet for our day..

But why centuries old-for 1830-King James Bible English? And then there was adieu.

@@bradensorensen966 awesome

Thank you for the feedback!

Read the bible catch the spirit of that book then read the book of mormon compare the two spirits and voila. 2 witnesses bro thats israelite law man and holy one of Israel will write the law in your heart and u will be his people and he will be your God.

@@six1nyne I’ve read both. God confirmed the Bible was true to me, but he also told me the Book of Mormon was false.

K, millions upon millions have recieved the opposite answer so i guess your just special. 🤷‍♂️

@@harryhenderson2479 Same here, praying about the BoM with real intent and having confirmation of it's falsehood is what broke me free from the Mormon cult. I was challenged by a Christian friend to read the New Testament as a child and when I did that I kept finding truths that disagreed with my Mormon beliefs which made me confused but instead of "doubting my doubts" as the church puts it I continued to study and learn and then went to God and He answered my prayers. I felt a weight lift that I didn't even realize I had been carrying from trying my hardest to do all the things the church said I needed to do in order to be worthy to be with my family forever. God's grace is so much greater than what the church teaches and I am so glad God has saved me from this false religion. I still have many friends and family members in the church and I'm sharing the true Gospel of Jesus Christ with them as much as I can without them shunning me which is a very slow and painful process but I know God will help me and it is up to Him to reach their hearts and minds with His truth.

@@six1nyne millions upon millions have received the “opposite answer” as yours - the Book of Mormon is a total plagiarized fabrication perfectly used for manipulation and deception. So I guess you are not so special. Also - there are millions of other people who are members of completely different Mormon denominations! “fundamentalist Mormons”, “reorganized LDS Mormons”, “Elijah message Mormons”, and many other Mormon denominations... amazingly ALL with the same testimony as yours ... All of them literally saying the same thing as you! “The Book of Mormon is true”, “their prophet is the only true and living prophet on earth today”, and “their church is the only true church.” Yet they are ALL completely different Mormon denominations ... ALL using the Book of Mormon as their main scripture??? What the??? And you know the really sad thing? They ALL say that each of the other “Mormon” churches are “apostate” churches that are led by Satan. Again … What the? So tell us again??? Wich “Mormon church” is the “one true church” with the “one true prophet”??? Seriously ... they all have the glorious Book of Mormon.. so which one is true? Oh ya ... it’s of course yours right ? Oh boy ... so so sad … yet so so revealing. Repent and denounce your false, polytheistic, likely polygamist, created, 100 percent NON-BIBLICAL, Mormon god. Come unto The one and only True prophet, priest and king! The creator of the universe and savior of the world, Jesus Christ! Amen and Amen! Jesus is enough.

I've found Isiah 43:10 and 44:6 to be pretty easy to understand actually. They say very plainly that there is only one God and there has never been any other Gods before and neither will there be any Gods after the one and only God. Alma chapter 11 is actually also very clear a uses plain speech to teach that there is only one God. I can't find anywhere in the Bible or BoM that teaches there is more than one God or that mankind can become Gods. Do you know of any references from the Bible or BoM that teach this doctrine of the church?

@@jakeseward9035 Man, Potential to Become like Heavenly Father See also Father; Immortality; Perfection let them have dominion, Gen. 1:26 (Moses 2:26). man is become as one of us, Gen. 3:22 (Moses 4:28). be holy: for I … am holy, Lev. 19:2 (1 Pet. 1:16). thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, Ps. 8:5. madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands, Ps. 8:6. Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High, Ps. 82:6. Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father, Matt. 5:48 (3 Ne. 12:48). spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have, Luke 24:39. Is it not written in your law … Ye are gods, John 10:34 (Ps. 82; D&C 76:58). we are the offspring of God, Acts 17:29. heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ, Rom. 8:17. changed into the same image from glory to glory, 2 Cor. 3:18. if a son, then an heir of God through Christ, Gal. 4:7. Till we all come … unto a perfect man, Eph. 4:13. be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live, Heb. 12:9. when he shall appear, we shall be like him, 1 Jn. 3:2. him that overcometh will … sit with me in my throne, Rev. 3:21. men are, that they might have joy, 2 Ne. 2:25. to them have I given to become the sons of God, 3 Ne. 9:17. what manner of men ought ye to be … even as I am, 3 Ne. 27:27. your joy shall be full … shall be even as I am, 3 Ne. 28:10. you shall have eternal life, D&C 14:7. Ye who are quickened by … celestial glory, D&C 88:29. saints shall … be made equal with him, D&C 88:107. you shall receive of his fulness, and be glorified, D&C 93:20. Man was also in the beginning with God, D&C 93:29. every man shall enter into his eternal presence, D&C 121:32. spirits of just men made perfect, D&C 129:3. he is a man like ourselves, D&C 130:1. Father has a body of flesh and bones, D&C 130:22. in order to obtain the highest, a man must enter into this order, D&C 131:2 (131:1-4). shall they be gods, because they have all power, D&C 132:20 (132:1-24). that men might be made partakers of the glories, D&C 133:57. to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man, Moses 1:39. I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy, JS-H 1:17. See also 2 Tim. 2:10-12; 1 Ne. 11:11; D&C 50:24.

@@jakeseward9035 Godhead See also God; God the Father, Elohim; God the Father, Jehovah; Holy Ghost; Jesus Christ God said, Let us make man in our image, Gen. 1:26. man is become as one of us, to know good and evil, Gen. 3:22. This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased, Matt. 3:17 (17:5; 3 Ne. 11:7). not mine to give, but … of my Father, Matt. 20:23. not as I will, but as thou wilt, Matt. 26:39. baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, Matt. 28:19 (3 Ne. 11:25). called the Son of the Highest, Luke 1:32. Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove, Luke 3:22. Son can do nothing … but what he seeth the Father do, John 5:19. Father that sent me beareth witness of me, John 8:18. I and my Father are one, John 10:30. believe the works … that the Father is in me, John 10:38. a voice from heaven, saying, I have … glorified it, John 12:28. my Father is greater than I, John 14:28. that they might know thee the only true God, John 17:3. That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, John 17:21 (D&C 35:2). I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, John 20:17. being by the right hand of God exalted, Acts 2:33. saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, Acts 7:55. not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, Acts 17:29. even his eternal power and Godhead, Rom. 1:20. to us there is but one God, 1 Cor. 8:6. Christ, who is the image of God, 2 Cor. 4:4. I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord, Eph. 3:14. image of the invisible God, the firstborn, Col. 1:15. dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily, Col. 2:9. Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, Heb. 1:2. three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, 1 Jn. 5:7. doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, 2 Ne. 31:21. they are one God, Mosiah 15:4 (3 Ne. 11:36; D&C 20:28). arraigned before the bar of Christ … and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, Alma 11:44. sing … unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, Morm. 7:7. grace of God the Father … Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost, Ether 12:41. we saw him, even on the right hand of God, D&C 76:23. Father has a body of flesh and bones, D&C 130:22. whereon was seated the Father and the Son, D&C 137:3. Let us go down. And they went down, Abr. 4:1 (4:27; 5:4, 7). I saw two Personages, JS-H 1:17. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, A of F 1:1. See also Gen. 11:5-17; Ps. 110:1; Dan. 4:8; 5:14; Matt. 12:31-32; John 17:11; Eph. 1:2-3; Philip. 2:5-6.

@@thebenplatt I know that the King Follett discourse is where Joseph first presented the idea that there is more than one God and that men can become Gods. I don't know where you stand on the church's teachings but for me, if a church's teachings are in direct contradiction to the Bible then it is not a true church.

Because prejudiced skeptics often dismiss spiritual witnesses out of hand. Spiritual witnesses are also deeply personal and pretty much unquantifiable. Academic research, on the other hand, can be based entirely on observable facts, rather than unfalsifiable personal claims.

@@jordanwutkee2548: Is it also possible to be prejudiced in favor of spiritual witnesses?

Because emotional responses that people claim to be "spiritual witnesses" are not valid evidences of truth. That's why. So many people have had "spiritual witnesses" of completely false things. Look at ANY cult or religion and you will find those that are completely convinced of the truthfulness of their beliefs. Heaven's Gate, followers of David Koresh, FLDS, JW's, Islam, they ALL fervently believe they have the truth. Are they all wrong? Are they all right?

@@bluesfrequency: I can’t see any way that they are all correct, but I can definitely see a way they can all be in error.

@@jordanwutkee2548 Spirituality is impossible to prove and has oft times been disproved. And witnesses are highly unreliable. Academic research is glad to be disproven so the truth can be found. Spiritual witnesses dig their heels in and deny proper refutation.

If you were the devil......

There’s always someone who feels like they need to prove or disprove something. That’s why you have people who also want to discredit the Bible. Religion strikes a hard spot for many people and they feel the need to tear it down.

A religious history of some of the people that lived on the American continent...

Some believe the Hopewell people are the same as the Nephites.

My difficulty is not about the subject matter being a proported history of civilizations in the Americas. As a Bible-believing born-again (by God's grace alone) Christian, my trouble with the book and with this faith is that it teaches a different gospel and another Jesus.

Cleon's nephew.

Yes, and he was a (now retired) professor at BYU.

Probably didn't have the means to preserve it. It takes a lot to preserve paper from the era.

It stayed with Emma in the mansion house, and her second husband was known to give parts of it to tourists as souvenirs. That's what I've heard at least.

If he did, it would be hard with his 3rd grade reading skills

@@dannyrocket77 He read the bible. I am wondring, since the original manuscript for mormons book contains word from 1500 and 1600 centuries. It would bee naturaly to assume that his bible orginated from a 1600 translation from greek. Do the church have his families bible?

​@@tydde4 the church claims he used the KJV bible. I'm assuming he has reading comprehension but struggled writing (as evident by his letters to his wife).

@@ethancate8462 The 1611 KJV is the originally published KJV text from 1611 A.D. using archaic English. Next version/ revision is in 1769. But with several edition in between.

@@tydde4 the 1611 edition was published in 1611?? No way. Jk, idk the actual exact version but I know James 1:5 is the same as he read it as it is now. Plus, language does change but it was still probably very familiar to everyone at the time.

Yes, yes I can.

Jake you are correct. There are several verses that completely contradict what the Bible says. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is a cult and not a true Christian Church.

@@natefaust7790 I was raised LDS and was taught to trust the leaders of the church as the most accurate source of truth. I was challenged by a Christian friend a couple of years ago to read the New Testament from the perspective of a child and just learn what it teaches. The truth of there being only one God is so plainly taught and such a basic thing to know as a true Christian. That was the first truth that got me thinking for myself instead of "doubting my doubts" as the church says. Since they were wrong about who God is and they used scriptures out of context to prove their teachings I looked up other scriptures they use to try and show that they teach what the Bible says. One passage I can think of off the top of my head is from Ezekiel where he is talking about the 2 sticks and the church uses this as a prophecy for the book of Mormon saying one stick is the Bible and the other is the BoM. I read the passage in context and God says in the same chapter what the 2 sticks represent and it is the rejoining of 2 nations that have been decided and has nothing to do with books at all.

@@jakeseward9035 I am so thankful that I never grew up a Mormon. When I was little I believed that I was going to Heaven because my dad was a pastor then (still is) that my dad and God were really close because my dad was doing Gods work as a pastor. But then one day I read in my Bible where it says, “ For all have fallen short of the glory of God, that not one deserves to get into Heaven. I also read where Jesus says, “ I am the way, truth and the life, and no one comes to the Father but by me”. I knew that Jesus was the only way to salvation. By having Jesus as my Lord and Savior that I can be saved.

Hyrum's school he attended briefly, and the connection to Dartmouth was tenuous at best-- the association was loose. Hyrum didn't have the money to afford books that he could just "bring home" to Joseph-- you forget how expensive it was to actually own many books. Hyrum was ELEVEN years old when he attended, and Joseph was five years old. By any sane interpretation of events, you're expecting a 5-8 year old to be deeply affected by the supposed connection of his 11-14 year old brother to an emerging doctrinal view of the world that was relatively new and ill-defined in books that both are unlikely to have access to, while the 5-8 year old really wasn't a "reader" by the description of everyone in his family. Let's remember that Hyrum was the best-educated child in the Smith family, and his formal schooling ended before age 14. And this "Q-source" you speak of would then have to contain language that predates the King James common scriptural english of Joseph's day (and indeed, was not used in Joseph's day at all). The Book of Mormon specifically talks about the lost tribes not being in the Americas. The Mulekites were Jews, and Lehi's family, while being descended from Manasseh, wouldn't have considered themselves part of the lost tribes because they were firmly rooted in the southern kingdom of Judah at the time of the Assyrian conquest. Then there's the actual text of the Book of Mormon, which is extremely narrow in geographic and social scope and makes no claims about the origins of Native Americans as a whole, again, against the prevailing currents of the day.

@@samdodini462 That's a pretty good rebuttle! My understanding is that Joseph was 8 when he received leg surgery from the Dartmouth doctors. I marked this in my copy of Richard Bushman's Rough Stone Rolling. I don't want to accuse Hyrum of theft of books from Dartmouth, like Willard Chase accuses the Smith Brothers stealing his seer stone from the well. The point I will make is that Joseph told his mother at 12 that he can gain more from reading the Bible himself than any of those preachers. Lucy also claims in her autobiographical sketches that it's unlikely that someone as unlearned as Joseph could have come up with a book like the book of mormon. I want to point out that the Smith family was swimming in these ideas of First Nations being ancient jews or lost ten tribes of Israel or whatever. These were common ideas at Dartmouth and specifically Moores Indian charity school! Both Ethan Smith, author of View of the Hebrews and Solomon Spaulding author of manuscript found graduated from Dartmouth. I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE SPAULDING/RIGDON THEORY! I think it's garbage. My point is, is that Joseph Smith and his family were swimming in these ideas enough in his mileu or zightghist that he came up with exactly what he did come up with! Maybe Hyrum didn't bring books home or wasn't allowed to borrow them in the sense that we understand today as a library loaning books. But if his great uncle John Smith was a professor of religion at Dartmouth while he was attending, and the other connections that Thomas Murphy and others have made, it stands to reason, that the book of mormon didn't come out of nowhere as I was taught by the missionaries, but these ideas are traceable. I'm not accusing Joseph Smith of being a plagiarist directly. With the exception of the kjv. And spelling out hard words like corintumer. The city of Moroni is on the Comoros islands. An interesting coincidence. I invoke Grant Palmers insider's view of mormon origins when he says that we don't believe Joseph, when Joseph himself says that he was well acquainted with the religions and camp revivals of his time. If the book of mormon and it's theology speak to you in the context if lds interpretation and it helps you self actualize into being the best person that you can be, then I'm happy for you. I don't wish to rob you of that. However, I think it's native American biblical fan fiction.

@@mouthymormonmetalhea The problem is that you still have to account for the existence of the Book of Mormon in a serious way. Pointing vaguely to "ambient ideas" doesn't with given what the historical record actually says about the Smith family and Joseph in particular. You then have to address the CONTENT of the Book of Mormon, the style of the book (which is Skousen's research), and the complexity of the book itself, none of which fit into the educational context of Smith's day, his family, his knowledge (we're making vague appeals to maps still?), and the contradictions between his era and the text of the book.

@@samdodini462 are you aware of the Lucy Code? I'm still looking into the veracity of this argument myself. I have a few historical complaints against it. However I feel that Joseph Smith had everything in his milieu to create the book of mormon. I also investigate the break off denominations of the lds church such as the church of Jesus Christ bickertonite and Community of Christ. I'm sure you think that their interpretation of the theology is apostasy according to your beliefs.

@@samdodini462 I just want to add that Joseph Smith came from a family of free masons, with connections to Dartmouth, native American preachers like Samuel the Lamanite. The free masons are well known for inventiing biblical text. I've read a bunch of them. I think the book of mormon is just the most ambitious.

Your first fact is not a fact. About 30 people left Jerusalem and arrived at a heavily populated area in the americas. Then you go on and on off something that is not a fact.

Not necessarily.

God didn't use 16th century English. Josph interpretd the plates, he likely made this linguistic choice is likely to convey a sense of religious authority and familiarity for readers in the early 19th century. The KJV was the dominant English translation of the Bible at the time, and its language style was widely recognized and respected. By using a similar language style, Joseph Smith may have sought to create a sense of continuity and connection between the Book of Mormon and the Bible. Additionally, using the King James English might have given the Book of Mormon an aura of antiquity and sacredness, which would have appealed to its early readers and followers. When you write a paper for a college class you follow a certain style and you use refined language, you don't write it in texting shorthand or slang. Same concept.

@@RyanMercer not sure I followed all that but the claim is that the BOM would have been written similar in grammar and vocabulary as the 1611 version of the KJV, hence they would be naturally recognized as companion books or at least books that were contemporary with each other in style.

@@TheBABoomer Joseph was translating it from a different language, he translated into a KJV similar style because that's what he was familiar with in regards to scripture.

@@RyanMercer idk. Maybe. I’m open minded. But the Isaiah passages seem like modern English both in grammar and vocabulary though a bit old fashioned by today’s standard. Whether it’s the Bible or the BOM it can get a little messy in parts when you start digging into the texts using textual criticism

God works in mysterious ways...so mysterious. Very mysterious and full of great mystery...and often indistinguishable from the mysterious ways of religious frauds and con artists. Because it's a test of faith! Because faith must be tested and if it's not tested...well, apparently, that's not a good thing for faith not to be tested because, well, it's a mystery...and, as we all know, God works in mysterious ways...and he wants people to give his spokesman money and obedience. That's the plain and precious truth of the plan of salvation. And it came directly from God through the Urine and Thumbin, which the angel took back to a storage unit in heaven and laid right next to the plates of pure gold, and neither of these objects have seen the light of day since Joseph Smith and his business partners decreed that they saw them with their imaginations. Some obects were even "hefted". I love the mysteries of heaven.

Paragraphs, use them. Makes it easier to read your rants.

Just like you I've done an investigation. There is no field of expertise that doesn't denounce The Book of Mormon as a fraud. Linguistics is just one of them.

I guess you don’t research things on the internet much and like to keep your head in the sand 😂

Don't you think this is something the LDS should have done to try to teach all mormon members? Mormon religion is history and shouldn't be hidden from you guys especially when you are putting your faith on God and Jesus. No religion is perfect because humans are meant to make mistakes and it includes writing a sacred book.

I've been to your church before, I witnessed congregants giving their testimony. You kind of have to take things on faith in that church. I think that's why testimonies exist. Any scratching beneath the surface and you're not going to like what you find.

@@bobbycecere1037 This is why I have no religion since 1995.

@Trancymind You shouldn't judge all of religion based upon your experience in one Church. That would be faulty reasoning. There are massive differences between the denominations.

Unrelated, but I always read BofM as Book of Freaking Mormon

He went through the quantum realm and create a variant

Um. Calling it The most correct book does not mean perfect. Even the writers of the Book of Mormon say there are mistakes, but they are of men. Also, most correct is not grammar/spelling, but in true doctrine.

Yeah, like no mistakes such as the use of steel which did not exist in Meso-America, elephants which did not exist at that time, or horses, or chariots. Or wheat, pigs, or many other anachronisms in the BoM. Even just ONE anachronism makes the book questionable, but this many? It just makes it FALSE!!

@@bluesfrequency You foolishly said: "Even just ONE anachronism makes the book questionable, but this many? It just makes it FALSE!!" Then this makes everything YOU'VE said, my friend @Mixman1976, FALSE, because YOU'VE been spewing lies here, and more than one of them, just demonstrating ignorance. I've studied the detail and the history, and ALL of the items in your phony attack list have been demonstrated to have been on this continent during the period of the Book of Mormon. You don't know squat. But you do know lying and bitterness and cheap attacks on a Christian faith you hate.

No. And your comment just demonstrates ignorance. Anyone with common sense knows the distinction between these types of transcription mistakes common to all such work (and which the Lord took into account when he used mere mortals to bring it forth) and doctrinal or substance errors. If you don't get that, then that's on you - shows you've haven't really listened to or delved into Brother Skousen's work. So please spare us your cheap attempt to attack the Book of Mormon, which is true and which will stand for all time.

@@michaelpeterson6174 where are the iron swords, hundreds of thousands of bodies from the wars the nephites had, the horses? Which BYU scholars have said are actually tapirs. Army of helamen riding on tapirs into battle...have you read view of the hebrews? Which came out a couple years before the BOM and Oliver Cs pastor was the author. I don’t know about you but I was taught that Joseph translated it with the tools found with the plates, not dictate with a treasure finding stone in a hat. JS like Captain Kidd the pirate. He heard magical stories about his adventures. Do yourself a favor, open a google map and travel over to Madagascar to the NW of Madagascar you will find and island which has a mighty familiar capital name and city name. Moroni and Comoros. But there is literally tons more to say but I’ll keep it light for you.

Unless you are willing to say Joseph was a deceiver that concocted the gold plates story the BoM MUST be historical. If it isn’t then the entire church is a fraud.

You should buy an 1830 edition. There are many many more changes than you think. If you are truly seeking truth I would encourage you to not listen to anyone else and just go to the New Testament starting with the Gospel of John and reading it to let it teach you truth and approaching it as a child. That's what I did when I got tired of having to constantly "doubt my doubts" aka ignore any facts or evidence that disagreed with my beliefs when I was a Mormon.

@@jakeseward9035 Wow. You are right. Been up all night studying. When I read the changes in God being one to now 3 separate individuals blew my mind. That's not just a grammatical error. Now I'm wondering if I have been believing in a different God rather then the real God I'm suppose to find and have faith in? Do you realize that Joseph wrote a first vision account in his personal journal and was ripped out by somebody then scotched taped back in. Well that account is different then what I was taught growing up. I'm going to do more studying.

@@dl1130 your on the right track brother. Dan Vogel is a world renowned Mormon Scholar. He has dozens and dozens of documentary style RU-vid videos that depict documented, verified and proven Mormon History. This is an awesome source of REAL verifiable truth.

lolz

@@jakeseward9035 pray tell what doctrine we changed after the first printing.