Do other characters find out Rudeus was reincarnated? Mushoku Tensei SPOILERS 

He would have a better understanding of what happened when Paul tried to discipline his son for fighting, and probably come to a new realization about Rudy and his being part of his sister's lives

He would also probably replay the scene when his wife found out about the maid and his son put all the blame on him.

Yeah, I think he just thinks he's a genius, though, which is only backed up by the fact Aisha is extremely smart and perceptive, too. He just thinks he's got two weirdly smart kids and one normal one.

​@@NatalieXHunterpaul must think his genes are insane xd

​@@punjra1463 To be fair, it's the truth

She is a real one.

Funny thing is if you toggle @Exapico comment, you get: "Rude is Rude" -Greyrat, you will be Maybe Eris is working at Google.

Eris is simple, anything more complex than "Do the thing to get the result" is instantly simplified in her mind as such. "Rudeus is Rudeus" is the most Eris way of perceiving the situation. She literally doesn't care or want to be bothered with anything more than what she knows to be true. It's respectable that she is well aware of her self in this manner and isn't archetypically depicted as most characters like her are. That is to say that most are Dumb & Clueless whilelacking any self awareness. Where as Eris is not the most intellectually gifted, has difficulty expressing her feelings and is conciousnessly aware of both. Eris also doesn't let that fact stop her from pursuing growth what she identifies as her true strengths to be able to stand next to her perception of Rudeus. She knows what she knows, knows how she feels and believes wholeheartedly she needs to learn how to be a better person to be with Rudeus. She is a brilliantly written character overall.

can you source the novel? I'd like to read that part again

@@macomonkey6969 it's the end of volume 15 (the whole book is my favorite), but I don't have like a link for you. There's an audio book here on youtube though.

@@rakaman27 righteo!

What I remember is that it wasn't pity of the universe that gave him a second life, it was an accident because someone else was supposed to be transported and his soul slipped trough.

Though I don't want to say more because it would be spoiler

This is one side of the "reborn" trope that I feel gets left out of the discussion so often. The interesting thing is, a lot of older anime/manga in the late 80s, 90s, and even 2000s seemed to understand that some might have an issue with the whole mental age thing - and hence why a lot use the concept of them growing at least to be a teenager or so before regaining memories. The whole idea being that they're specifically making the point that the person has a mental age of the body they're in, and the regained memories are just memories not a jump in "mental age". Others around the same time tackled it from the other angle of letting them keep their memories from birth, but due to having to grow up from baby to teenager along with all the various chemicals involved in that - they end up with a mental & emotional age that matches their body, even if they might have the wisdom/intellect of someone much older. I feel like a lot of anime/manga in the last 10 or 20 years has stopped trying to explain why reincarnation is fine for a character as it became accepted within the genre - but sadly they're done it at a time when there are more people wanting to point out why anime/manga or characters are problematic, meaning we rarely get given explanations now outside of gender or species changes.

@@Alex.5877 still I'm jealous of Rudeus. I can only hope and pray Reincarnation is real, and that just maybe in another universe there is a planet like the 6 sided world. Ever since I was old enough to read I was fascinated by monsters and magic and adventurers. That said while I have a high IQ, my mental age isn't very high. I forgot what it's called. But because I avoided other kids growing up and was bullied. I never learned how to be social. There's times when someone tries to talk to me at a grocery store, I end up feeling like I'm a little kid. One of the reasons despite my parents trying I couldn't keep a job for very long. Because the minute a supervisor gets mad or someone talks down to me I cower in a corner.

@@thomaswagner3934 hold up wait a minute ? why does this sound like my life ?

My favorite chat up line.

Isn’t that how these situations often go? These kinds of secrets are usually more damaging in our own minds than they actually are once exposed.

Yeah, that's true, even in real life people do that (for instance trans people), and I guess they probably do think of their past self as a different person they don't really relate to now, even if they have their memories. I think that is shown by how uncomfortable he is in the scenes with Hitogami where he appears as his past self.

@@NatalieXHunter I always figured that that discomfort was the entire reason why Hitogami dragged Rudy into that astral plane. Just another way to screw with him.

Yeah I think that's true.

@@NatalieXHunter i hate my past self i wanna punch him to dea-

I legit think I was more mature when I was 18 than I am now.

Yeah, as I said in the video, the ones who are discussed are the ones who definitely know something rather than finding Rudy a bit uncanny as a child, and who have some kind of reaction, and who one might expect it to be a surprise to (Perugius for instance, is from another world himself, and Orsted already knew Rudy was a strange presence in this time loop and had met Nanahoshi already, so I didn't feel like them knowing was the same kind of vibe as Sylphy, Eris and Aisha). It is possible lots of people know - I mean, after childhood, where it gave him an advantage and may have made his family feel differently about him, he has no reason to keep it a secret, but at the same time, his shame about who he was before does mean he's not fond of thinking or talking about it (hence why he doesn't tell Nanahoshi who he actually was in Japan until right before they think she's going back). He'd probably rather not bring it up himself and just live as his new self, but he also doesn't need to act or lie to cover it up once he's an adult.

When the only ones who have access to that kind of magic are dragons and demon emperors like Kishi, I can imagine how Phillip would leverage that knowledge.

Well the season 2 episode that had that, they were in Ranoa, which as far as I can tell is North Central Continent territory. Slavery in the north territories is probably where it is most allowed, Rudeus even thought that he could kill the slave owner and stuff but would be hunted down and killed. He knew he wasn’t freeing or saving any slaves here, he was just buying one and they would work on something without actually making the choice to do that themselves. So then he got the idea that if (Julie) wanted to die, that he would do that, perhaps she could be reincarnated like him and live a better life. But when she said she didn’t wanna die, Rudeus remarked on the fact that she didn’t say she wants to live but if she didn’t wanna die, that’s fine. He just wanted to feed her, get her new clothes and stuff. So he does care but not anymore than we do right now, like I know there is slaves in the world now, if I somehow got in a situation. I wouldn’t do anything either, not because I am a bad person. But because I can’t do anything and I don’t wanna die. Rudeus is selfish still, he isn’t gonna risk his life and almost 100% get killed in that scenario. Assuming you mean the anime episode. Since there isn’t much outrage for things not adapted.

He accepted it because he can't do anything about it and it's not normal in this world.

By the end there, they were closer to friends that butted heads from time to time. I blame the Greyrat blood for that. All Greyrats seemed to be hot blooded when they got emotional. Rudy was probably the most sedate one, but that was probably because of his reincarnation than anything else, and even he could be bullheaded at times for no real reason.

I think he'd get mad at the fact that Rudeus didn't think to at least write home after the teleportation incident

@@jessiesargent7212 why?

@IHatoHandels he was already upset about his 11 year old kid not thinking to write home after being teleported, now imagine him knowing that he had the wisdom of an adult

Yeah, that would be interesting, especially considering she thinks she and Aisha owe Rudy their lives (even though actually, they don't, given that they exist in every other Orsted loop so it's clear Zenith wouldn't have kicked Lilia out anyway). I guess she'd still think that was the case even if she knew the advantages he'd had as a kid, but it might change her perspective on it a bit, as well as making her less creeped out by how uncanny he was as a baby.

I'm pretty sure Lilia knows though. Sure Aisha figures it out, but I doubt Lilia had no impact on that outcome.

Finding out he was simply a thirty year old pervert rather than possessed by a demon would've such a huge relief for her.

LOL, like Lalatina?

Exactly! See you get it. :b

Yeah, there are certainly things that suggest she and many other people knew, but for this video I wanted to stick to cases where there's a definite scene about it and the character reacts. I did say they are not necessarily the only ones who know, just the most interesting to look at in this context.

LOL I'll marry them.

@@NatalieXHunter Will a Lego house do?

Nyo. A Barbie house, maybe.

Coming soon!

I don't think he would, like, your kids can have totally different personalities to you normally - like, Aisha doesn't really have the same personality as Lilia or Paul in any way - and physically he still has their genetics. I think it would mess with his head that Rudy was mentally older when he was raising him, but he still did teach him a lot of things and they did bond, so I think he'd still love him.

Not that they would know it but in every loop before Rudy, their child died before being born. But if you want a realistic depiction of the scenario you are thinking about, I highly recommend "The beginning after the end" another story about a character being reincarnated and at a pivotal point where he has to go away for awhile to prepare for a incoming war he opts to tell his parents that he is reincarnated, it's a heart breaking scene with a ton of depth.

I don't think they'd change if they found out at the current point in the anime, but if they found out when he was a tiny child, maybe they'd kinda, not know what to do with him, iykwim. Like how can you raise a kid like a normal toddler when you know they have the inner monologue of someone like 10 years older than you!

I honestly don’t think Ruijurd would care all that much. He might make a comment about how they were more alike than he thought. Rudy’s desire to leave the life that he was ashamed of to become a better man definitely rings close to Ruijurd’s mission to reclaim his tribe’s honor after their own sordid past. But beyond that, he’d probably accept with fewer questions than Eris did.

She's my favorite, too, but I like Sylphy a lot as well. I'm not that fussed about Roxy.

@@NatalieXHunter I agree and love them too. But the whole progress with Eris is just so good and natural from the start to finish.

@@onur6145 That's a tsundere for you.

re reading the series has made me appreciate Eris more

I think you mean husband.

Glad you enjoy it!

Glad you enjoy it!

Nah, I don't wear glasses!

Thank you so much!

@NatalieXHunter you are always welcome. I don't wanna sound parasocial but I do care about people whether it's the content or the person behind the screen both are important and you're at your best when both are in tip top shape. Just remember I'll always be rooting for you even if I don't comment on every video.

That's really sweet of you, thanks for taking the time to encourage me!

Yeah, I think they all know he HAD a past life at that point, so the point is more that he's going to tell them what kind of person he was, like he does with Aisha. I think that would definitely be interesting to see, but I don't think it'll change their minds about him, I think if anything they'd feel sad for him - they know what he's like now (given he's probably in his 30s when the Aisha chapter happens).

Lara. But she'd probably know somehow anyway, she's got spooky powers. I don't think it's necessarily the case that she stops Hitogami with Orsted's help, though - all we know is she was a hero prophesized by the beast tribes - it'll probably be more like she helps Orsted (much like Ruijerd helped seal Laplace).

Zenith doesn't want that, though. When Rudy is allowed to sentence her, Zenith gets up and slaps him. It does kind of make sense, too, given Claire only knows the story that someone else had the same curse and that's the only thing that cured them. But since that was Elinalise, and her curse was different (and it didn't cure her memory loss anyway) and Rudy knows all about Elinalise's situation, he can tell Claire it was a flawed approach. But still, clearly Claire did not actually like the idea, she just thought it would save Zenith. None of them knew until the Miko read her memories that Zenith was even aware of things, either.

@@NatalieXHunter I didn't say I'd do it. Just strongly consider it.

She probably does know or suspect something, but there's no one scene where it really comes up or we see how she'd react to it. She'd probably be the least bothered by it of all, though, given she's about the same age as his cumulative age anyway, and it would make her feel better about being surpassed by a little kid at the start if she knew he had the mind of an adult. Though, she is also the one most curious about things, so you'd think she'd want to learn about the other world, too.

New episode today, so I expect it will!

I think Zenith can only communicate telepathically with other telepathic people (so Lara and Leo, basically, but if she went to the Migurd village I think she would be able to communicate with all of them) - I don't think she can fully read minds.

@@NatalieXHunter Personally reading the miko's chapter again i am still convinced she can read minds but only surface thoughts. My reason is pointing towards the times when Zenith would recall memories with them saying things to her and Rudy remembering it a totally different way and usually them saying nothing (Asia and Zenith in the garden/ Norn and Zenith scene).

Possibly, yes, I took that as a kind of perception she had from her dreamlike state, but yeah, she probably intuits some underlying thoughts rather than listening to what is being said due to her unusual state of consciousness. I don't think she can read minds to the level of knowing people's secrets, though. Still, if she does know, clearly she is at peace with it, because she seems happy in her own way with her life with the family.

Yeah, but intelligence is what we're talking about here, and in this case he seems to have both his adult intelligence AND a child's ability to learn very quickly, which gives him a big advantage. Hormonal stuff would theoretically come from his physiology and affect his behavior and mood, but in an impossible fantasy situation where a baby has the mind of an adult, it's hard to say whether this was something the author really worried about reflecting or not.

Quite a lot of people have mentioned that manwha but I haven't read it yet. I hear only good things about it, though.

@NatalieXHunter not spoiling but if you love jobless you gonna love this.. similar

I know what you mean, but it would also depend what you value or consider mistakes. A warrior like Ruijerd is hundreds of years old but hasn't concerned himself with social things, for instance, so would he see Norn, who is only in her 20s when they marry, and who isn't a warrior, as making foolish mistakes in her endeavours which he has no experience of? We may think of younger people as making mistakes or being less interesting because they have less experience, but that's because they have less experience in the same things as us. In a world where people are concerned with very different things, I think a socially adept human would seem perfectly competent and interesting to a centuries old tribal warrior.

I didn't include Perugius or Orsted because it is a slightly different thing for them to know (they're both from another world themselves and know about summoning/teleportation etc) - I wanted to cover the people who you would expect to perhaps find it odd that their husband/brother has reincarnated from another world, and who have specific reactions to discuss (which is why I didn't cover Roxy either, though there are things that suggest she may know, we never see her react in any particular way or discuss it with Rudy, so there isn't much to talk about).

Sylphy doesn't seem overly concerned with it though, aside from how it connects him to Nanahoshi, and Sylphy is smart. I think maybe she's just a 'why rock the boat' type person. I do think if people had known when he was a child it would have changed things, but once he's an adult and has already proven he's competent in things that weren't carried over from his old world (like magic and speaking multiple languages from the new world), nobody is really going to think too much on how he had an intelligence advantage as a kid. Maybe Cliff would be pleased to know, because Cliff actually just is that smart and talented without the reincarnation advantage, and knowing Rudy was only better than him as a kid because of that might give him a sense of relief, but I don't think most people who know him as an adult would be that bothered.

Yes, I have a Twitch channel - those long videos I posted recently are mostly highlights from streams.

A lot of people are bringing that up but I haven't read it.

Well, Rudy hasn't seen his mom since he was like, 7... I hope your Sylphy comes along one day, though!

@@NatalieXHunter thank you very much. He's still a Mama's boy at heart. The closer I get to 40, the less likely that is. Besides I'm a shut in. I was in an abusive relationship then my dad died and my dog right after him. I just read LN's and write stories.

Well, I'm 41, and my mom died, and the guy I thought I'd be with for life broke up with me two years ago, so, if I can still hope for things to turn around, you can too!

@@NatalieXHunter sorry that happened, the people you think are the greatest can turn on you in an instant. To be fair I was warned by people. But naturally I found out the hard way several broken bones later.

i'm like that too.. broken..

I made it a couple of years ago, I can't even remember exactly what's in it!

I read it couple days ago. It wasn't as bad as the internet claimed it was. It wasn't sexualised in any way. Merely a commentary on how Aisha after seeing Norn get married and her being 25 years old and single. Made her feel like she had lost in life. And had developped feelings towards Ars. Eventually lead into physical relationship. Rudy just happened to stumple on them when they were at it and then the situation just blew up and they ran away from home. Aisha deeply begins to regret that decision but they eventually soothe things over. It was quite honestly really well written.

Yeah there's nothing grpahic in it, it's a situation a lot of people have a kneejerk grossed out reaction to, but the point of it is the family drama not anything sexual. Though I've had people comment that they find Norn and Ruijerd completely horrifying and unacceptable on here so if people can't handle a woman in her 20s marrying a long lived man just because 'she was a kid when she met him' then they're not going to be able to deal with the Aisha chapter.

@@NatalieXHunter Lucy ended up marrying her great grandmothers son too. I guess the Greyrats really keep it in the family :) I got into Mushoku Tensei through a youtuber named Otaku Spirit he has quite a long light novel discussion series called Mushoku Mondays. He goes through the chapters and does excellent voice acting. Unfortunately I caught up to his content on volume 18. And he only does a chapter or two per week. I've been thinking about getting the light novels myself. But I lost my job at the end of last year and food prizes basically shot through the roof here in Finland. So I've been on a really tight budjet lately. But I do enjoy seeing these youtube videos about Mushoku Tensei that aren't mired in controversy and talks about how they morally disagree with either Rudeus or the author. Thanks for another entertaining video. Keep up the good work.

The Greyrat family tree is a tumbleweed lol

I have experience with just about everything at this point, so I can offer proof reading or full in-depth editing for most types of writing.

@@NatalieXHunter Do you still do ghost writing? Or ghost writing with editing?

Huh? I already made that video about 2 years ago! It's one of my most popular videos. You can find it in the MT Analysis playlist.

I think she ends up ok, though - and she does get to put her brains to use when she runs the mercenary company.

Not yet. I've heard it's good though.

I think Zenith is less intense about things than Paul so she'd probably just be slightly disappointed her son wasn't actually an amazing genius but then get over that in a couple of minutes and just go back to being his mom. In her post TP3 state it's quite possible she does know, but since there is no concrete scene or reaction to talk about I didn't go into that in the video. Paul definitely doesn't, though.

No. Zenith gets a telepathic ability but she didn't have it when he was little, and it's not quite the ability to fully read minds anyway.

Zenith can communicate telepathically with other telepathic people, and she can intuit things to some degree, but she isn't constantly reading the thoughts of everyone around her. That said, there's a strong argument that she does know, but since it's never something we see her react to and it isn't even confirmed that she does, it wasn't something I wanted to include in the video, since there's not really much to say about it. I wanted to talk about the people who do have a reaction to discuss, and the fact Paul definitely didn't know (as obviously if Zenith did it would be after Paul's death).

It's OK to spoil in the comments for videos that are spoiler videos anyway, so don't worry! I didn't include Roxy in the video because there isn't a definite scene where she learns it and a reaction. I know that's also the case with Sylphy but the Sylphy stuff has already been in the anime so I had to address it.

No, Aisha wasn't isekai'd, she's just really smart and put things together. She's in her mid twenties when they have this conversation, so she's spent years knowing Rudeus at that point.

@@NatalieXHunter Wait, so Rudeus tells her?! When did this convo take place!?

@@Darth_Bateman In a deleted chapter of the web novel.

As I said in the video, it's in the deleted Aisha chapter of the Redundancy web novel. And yeah, he tells her but she says she'd already figured it out, more or less. This is when Aisha is in her mid twenties and Rudeus in his 30s.

It was hentai anime, not voyager.

In the deleted chapter Rudy does decide to talk to them about his past life, but a) it's the deleted chapter and b) I take it as meaning he'll talk about WHO he was, like he did to Aisha, not about the fact he's had a past life, which they probably already know.

Zenith isn't a full on mind reader though - she can intuit things and communicate with other telepathic people, but she's not aware of every thought people have near to her.

@NatalieXHunter oh I guess I understood her situation wrong. My bad and thanks for clarifying.

You charmer!

@@NatalieXHunter Just a returning fan being honest, I’m also excited in continuing moving forward along with giving you Love and support. Feels good being by your said again Natalie

It's actually a Nekopara cosplay lol

@@NatalieXHunter EVEN BETTER!!!!!!!!