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I was at least a little wrong about carbon fiber pipe guards!
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@craighoffman6876 Год назад

I enjoy your integrity and willingness to simply call it as you see it. Seems to me pipe guards help for routine hits, but for a huge hit they can transfer the energy to the cylinder, potentially damaging the flange, which is a far bigger problem than a deeply dented pipe. I think running a pipe guard is alright (I run one) but it is a very good idea to run a flange guard in tandem with the pipe guard. Pipe guard or not, 2T pipes are kind of a consumable/fixable item, it is simply the nature of the big fat hanging out there beast for bikes that get ridden in tough terrain like your "Daisy" here. Those aren't scars on Daisy, they are simply records documenting awesome rides 😄

@highlandcycles Год назад

Amen!

@Meekerextreme Год назад

Your type of riding it makes sense, my type of boulder field riding a P-Tech pipe guard / Skid Plate is the way to go, never need a new pipe.

@prestonthomas9406 Год назад

After years of experience using pipe guards and not using them (bashed many pipes), today I’d never ride without them. My 2 cents..

@zachfarkash6430 Год назад

I truly never run pipe guards only because they trap dirt and they transfer the hit to other areas like you were saying. I'll most likely not do with a pipe guard just for those two reasons. Thank you for the video Morgan always good to get good information from you 🤘

@gordonstimmel4590 Год назад

I love my p-tech guard and I will keep running that after splitting a rock in half and going over the bars but everything else was fine and no damage to the guard or the pipe I'm a believer now . Rocks are a pain lol

@Roree403 Год назад

Is that the p-tech skid plate with pipe guard?

@motorcycleguy73 5 месяцев назад

I've run them for years on multiple motorcycles. They work more for sliding or scuffs. Or rubbing up against things but actual crashes. No ive dented some pipes pretty well with them.

@onthethrottle7104 Год назад

Pipe guards quiet the bike down, that's what I like about them... If you remove them during washes you don't need to worry about dirt getting trapped and it only takes a few minutes.

@lancairw867 Год назад

I agree with you. I ride in southern woods (few rocks ) I use to have a carbon guard and when finally needed it it bent the whole head of the pipe. I took off and figured if the pipe bent that bad just buy a new one for only like $60 more than a guard. Edit. Also new shiny ✨ FMF pikes look great naked. Chicks dig it 😂👍🏻

@highlandcycles Год назад

Agree!! ❤️❤️

@human1513 Год назад

Yes all those chicks are chirping about a shiney pipe every time. Love all the different chirps in the wood: robins, sparrow, meadow larks, owls (ok that is a genuine Hoot, LOL)

@Natedoc808 Год назад

My carbon fiber pipe has some serious scrapes and wear… but the FMF power bomb underneath is in great shape, very slight dent which I was able to repair by filling the pipe with water using freeze plugs and then using a torch to get the water to begin to expand and voila… good as new

@rz350yam Год назад

I run them on all three of my 2-strokes. Have for years. The bikes get ridden a lot, bash a lot of rocks, and get dropped in gnarly sections. The guards take a beating. I’ve learned how to repair them with carbon fiber and epoxy. As for the pipes, they do get bent and require straightening. I do that with a hydraulic pressure rig (works very well). However, the pipes don’t get badly dented unless you take a motion stopping hit to an immovable object to the pipe. For me, I won’t run without the carbon guards. They save me money and time over the long run. I haven’t bought new pipes in over 10 years.

@highlandcycles Год назад

Good info

@itsyourfinancialplan Год назад

Same here we ride really rocky terain in AZ and my p3 guard looks 2x as bad as that one you show but pipe still transfered from my 20 to 22 xcw no problem minimal bends or dents

@philipsmith6152 Год назад

Great review, The problem without is when the pipe gets a hit on the bottom and ushes the pipe up into the bottom of the LH radiator and caves it in. Now I run a full alloy PT guard (which I hate) to protect the pipe and radiator 🙂

@scottphillips445 Год назад

If you have a 4 stroke with a T.I. header then I highly suggest a guard. I made 1 out of aluminum. You can get the dents out using heat and pressure. I am sure you can youtube the repair!

@richardhartley1705 Год назад

For someone that rides real hard as you do that pipe guard did a awesome job.Think I will keep mine on now after this honest review👍👍

@highlandcycles Год назад

Right on

@leroygt1 Год назад

Sometimes it's nice to be wrong. In my opinion, 2-stroke pipes are too sweet looking to cover up (form over function).

@adambatchelder4121 Год назад

I run the Hyde skid plate ,pipe guard combo. For me in the rocks the combo type that transfers the hit to the frame is so much better .

@highlandcycles Год назад

For sure. My only issue with those is if you are in the mud, they like to collect it.

@scottforrest2246 Год назад

There are the tubular skeleton looking versions of a Hyde. Maybe less mud concern but then you worry about snagging more. Too each their own, compromises are always made.

@adambatchelder4121 Год назад

Ya in the fall mine fills up with leafs. The tube ones drain better but I like how plastic slides over rock . Everything is a comprehensive. The big thing is the pipe doesn't take all the hit as it transfers the hit to the frame mostly .

@highlandcycles Год назад

@@scottforrest2246 yep.

@highlandcycles Год назад

@@adambatchelder4121 yeah. I have seen a couple bent frames which is crappy

@MajHazrd Год назад

This is my first 2 stroke bike, a 2021 KTM 300 XC, I debated about an pipe guard. I remember a guy early this year, he was very proud of his cool looking (and it was!) GasGas and the great deal he got. His first ride out up a rocky hill climb, he was back in 30 minutes with the pipe bashed in, bummer. A friend of mine always ran a pipe guard for years, so I got one. I'm having a bit of buyers remorse after reading all of the issues with the 300s (thought they were the supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread or better) where it has to get to operating temp before riding(I've never heard of this in a two stroke before, especially snowmobiles fire them up and go), electrical issues..... generally concerned, we'll see this summer once the deep freeze starts to thaw and sun comes out! :) I've had it out snow biking a couple of times, now wondering, should I even do that.

@highlandcycles Год назад

I think as long as you warm them up decently they are just fine

@dirklawyer9939 Год назад

Morgan, I have run them before but not a pipe guard fan at this time, a few caveats are added weight, dirt collector and made one of my pipes rust some at weld joints (rubbing on guard) and this may not be an issue but common sense would say that with the guard on the pipe it cannot dissipate heat as well and holds it next to the engine, IMO not a good thing.

@CW-up7xv Год назад

I'm with you on bare pipes. Energy gotta go somewhere.

@wfo_racer Год назад

Depends on the impact. Morgan's area tip over dent protection sure, but anything at speed Forgidaboudit! PNW my guard goes a long way to prevent dents. Maybe that's just me lol

@dalepellerin Год назад

I just took the guard off of my buddies bike I bought that’s had a guard on it since new and there were tons of dings all over it. Metal guard on metal pipe just doesn’t really work other than perhaps making the dent worse and I’m finding that I kind of like the looks of a dented pipe. So cheap to replace anyway and less risk. Taking my guard off.

@jpesicka999 Год назад

Depending on the bike it can actually ruin the pipe more than denting it. My 01 CR125 had one and during a crash it broke the exhaust manifold and bent the pipe to a point where I had to buy a new FMF Fatty. Denting the pipe would be easy to repair for $80 or so, pipe cost me like $230. The exhaust manifold was $30. Never running one again. Something's gotta give, might aswell dent the pipe if it comes down to it.

@jaywalk6628 Год назад

They work, I covered up a dented pipe with one. Pipe can still bend though so straightening is still an issue.

@okcmoparguy724 Год назад

On my 125xc with a guard it saved a pipe dent but the energy still transferred and cocked the exhaust flange. Surprisingly it doesn't leak but it could have cracked the jug. I don't think they're worth it due to the damage they'll transfer to more critical areas.

@highlandcycles Год назад

That is always how I have felt. I am surprised this one held up as well as it did. Still not going to run one in the future.

@jdracing551 Год назад

I always get crap for running a raw pipe and no guard but with a raw pipe it looks much better after blowing the dents out compared to the plated pipes.

@keithjohnson3993 Год назад

My issue is the cost of the carbon guard vs. the cost of a new pipe. Also, how crappy the guard starts to look after some abuse. I have decided to skip the guard and get a new pipe when necessary.

@highlandcycles Год назад

I’m with you

@noControl556 Год назад

I'm just not going to spend more money on a carbon fiber guard than I did on the pipe. Those things are so expensive you need a pipe guard guard. Personally I prefer the "accordian" style guards from Flatland Racing. Has held up great and you can bend the "wings" in a bit when mounting so it has some give and absorbs impact vs. moving the damage to the neck of the pipe or flange.

@craighoyt125 Год назад

I have been off 2 strokes since 2015, but when I was a 2 smoker.... I would go through pipes constantly! I tried a few pipe protectors like that one and my issue was that it would usually crease right where the end of the guard was. Almost act like a stress riser. But, I ride 4 strokes now, so that problem is gone :)

@highlandcycles Год назад

Haha. That has been my experience too.

@chasejiannalone8763 Год назад

No pipe guards ever, they are relatively costly. They transfer force to the mounting as well. You are better off taking and dissipating the hits in the metal. Spend the money on a pipe repair kit and propane torch . You can usually repair the dents to 90-99% as good as new with compressed air and heat.

@MotoFamMayhem Год назад

I had one of those Carbon guards... Didn't take long before a rock shot up and cracked it 😂 then I took it off because it looked terrible. Didn't think about leaving it there for protection 😅🤦‍♂️

@highlandcycles Год назад

Hahahaha

@johnbest4320 Год назад

Yeah it really did do a not bad job I was quite surprised

@dougderby9454 Год назад

Seen enough pipes sent out for the dents to be removed. As well as the DYI kits guys use. And many of the pipe brackets no longer line up.

@KoltFin Год назад

The last time I looked at carbon fiber pipe guards they costed the same as a new pipe. I'll take a new pipe over a guard everyday. And then you'll have 2 to blow out/repair. Just my thoughts on it

@lostinpa-dadenduro7555 Год назад

I ran one before. On my new bike nope. I put on a flange guard and that’s it.

@chrisnelson380exc Год назад

Poor Daisy!!! She gets all the abuse! Good to hear from you!!!! Please make Ruth Famous!!!! And watch out for that killer Dog!!!!!

@highlandcycles Год назад

Hehehe

@wfo_racer Год назад

She likes it 😁

@Motoinc Год назад

Pipeguard cost as the pipe, so now you need a new pipeguard AND MABY a new pipe also in some cases

@highlandcycles Год назад

Yep

@jordan1352 Год назад

Morgan if you have any pro tips on how too straighten the 250 pipes where they bend around the left frame rails like you spoke of id be extremely grateful...

@highlandcycles Год назад

Hydra Force water pressure and then heat and a crow bar to fit back to cylinder

@jordan1352 Год назад

@@highlandcycles Thank you I appreciate it mines so bad on my yz250 its blocking the first bolt on the stator cover

@aaronmcelhinney1436 Год назад

Have you done a video of how you blow your dented pipes out?

@highlandcycles Год назад

Yeah. A few

@aaronmcelhinney1436 Год назад

@@highlandcycles do you have a link for that kit? I just watched your video about using the clamps, 60 psi of air, and a torch. Thank you!!!

@highlandcycles Год назад

@@aaronmcelhinney1436 I don’t. It’s on eBay

@wrenchone5003 Год назад

I only run my pipe bare no guards needed .

@human1513 Год назад

I am thinking a snug fitting pipe guard will make the pipe and motor run hotter which is not good.

@highlandcycles Год назад

I think it could but I have never seen ill effects from it.

@ChrisBurns1119 Год назад

I’ve been debating on getting a pipe guard

@highlandcycles Год назад

It’s a never ending debate. Both opinions have a lot of validity.

@matejkersic Год назад

Cage pipe guard? What is your opinion? I use Cage pipe guard from Artafon, works great, costs just 100 euros.

@matejkersic Год назад

Transfers energy from the hit to the frame.

@highlandcycles Год назад

They work great, I’m just not into adding all that to my bike. If I raced hard enduro I might though.

@matejkersic Год назад

@@highlandcycles yes, for me it was worth it. All my riding buddies totally dented their pipes, mine is almost like new, cage took some big hits, but is also still in good shape. 300 hours of riding.

@MechShark Год назад

I've found the only real "guard" is one that has mounts to the frame and is of quality metal, otherwise you're shifting impact damage (e.g. to the goose neck).

@MotoFamMayhem Год назад

That makes since

@MotoFamMayhem Год назад

You wouldn't want your engine guard bolted to your engine 😅

@grutzmac Год назад

Legit vid. Do the exhaust flange supports from the ‘22 models work on the ‘23 ktm 300 you have? Id guess so, right?

@highlandcycles Год назад

Yes they do

@matthewmcallister8845 Год назад

What about the cage style guards?

@highlandcycles Год назад

I’m personally not a fan just because of the weight and I have seen (only a couple) frames get bent when they hit something super hard

@martinmachava6933 Год назад

how about xtng carb ? after you do choke mod is it better or is it still crap ?

@highlandcycles Год назад

Uhh…. I’m not at liberty to say yet. But let’s just say they are sending me another carb

@martinmachava6933 Год назад

Thanks for update man I trying to made my rm 250 enduro unicorn so i really thankful for you hard honest testing job really love this videos. It would be nice if xtng work but i don't spend money on non working expinsive thing. Thanks again!

@tommyjohnson9791 Год назад

If you think of pipes as consumable goods, like brake pads, it doesn’t feel so bad when you mash one. Go bareback . 🤑

@highlandcycles Год назад

That’s exactly how I feel. I actually tell people they are like air bags for my bike

@mikeb4708 Год назад

The question is how long would the pipe have lasted without the pipe guard?

@highlandcycles Год назад

Obviously impossible to tell. But yeah.

@mikeb4708 Год назад

@@highlandcycles Your point that a pipe guard diverts the energy of the impact to other areas of the bike is valid. Theoretically a pipe is a wear item like a tire and should be repaired or replaced as needed.

@highlandcycles Год назад

@@mikeb4708 agree