it s like all the girls agree with each other except from the ukrainian, it s obvious from her facial expression all the time. But I feel like it s more of her personal point of view, which i think that doesn t reflect her country s mentality
True. In Poland you can recogize which girl is from Ukraine because they are all skinny, very sexy dressed (or expensive at least) and have full make up and all. Polish girls have No this "sexy" pressure, we are going more for comfy or trendy stuff.
I come from Russia, but I am Asian not Russian ethnically. When the guy invites me for dinner for the first time then he usually pays for the girl. If I refuse to accept that, the man will be offended. Later on if we go out often and get to know each other more; then couples can split the bill. In general Russian men are very generous; they like to provide for the girl if he knows that they will be married.
No men get offended if you pay for what you consume. Stop saying lies. Go to work and pay for what you buy, only prostitutes sells their body for benefits
I was in Moscow's airport trying to buy water, the guy in the store didn't speak English, so we got a little bit lost in translation, then a second guy arrived and helped us, and he ended up paying my water and my beer (I drank back in the days), and that was it. We talked a little, he asked me where I was heading, paid for me and left. It was mind blowing!
As a Serb (52 years old), let me tell you a man's point of view about this. From the moment when all the crap Hippie culture, Punk culture, women's racial justice, LGBT+, WOKE started coming from the West. We all went to hell. That is why it is said here in the Balkans among the Slavs: "Columbo, fuck you curious!"
I am used to Serbs offering to pay, taking initiative. If they don't, they're either struggling financially (they usually mention that when we're deciding where to go), or they aren't that interested in me.
For those of you who decide to be stay at home wives, you have to be extra careful to make sure you protect yourself financially. I have seen many former stay at home moms end up in difficult financial situations after divorce or widowhood because they allowed the husband to make all financial decisions. Set up independent financial accounts. Make sure that you understand your finances. Set up credit in your name. Make sure your name is on all retirement accounts and no withdrawals are made without your knowledge. You can be a traditional spouse and still participate in decisions related to savings, investments, and other financial matters. If you are caring for children and a household, your time is as valuable as the partner who works.
In Bulgaria I would never go out to throw the garbage without eye liner and lipstick and even high heels… now I am still putting some effort in my attire but it not as much because in US this is weird.
My Russian sweetheart dresses up to go to Walmart but she doesn't wear makeup and she's not young. The number of people, both men and women, who tell me how much they like it is incredible. A beautiful woman who takes care of herself is one of those things that makes you happy to be alive.
One thing to add, it's not 'westerners corrupting' exactly. It's the culture. Everything is unaffordable. It's not even 'feminist' power. It's the laws and stuff. If I don't have a partner, I NEED a job. Now we are married, how exactly can we afford it with just my husbands 50k (thats the average canadian salary) I just don't agree with her implicit jab at 'feminism'. Maybe I misunderstood her. But it's not 'feminism' entirely that drives every women. What's wrong with feminism or doing everything yourself if that's what you want. Nothing wrong with being a homemaker if that's what you want
I'm happy to see someone from Ukraine can have a perspective outside of their society. I also feel she was not heard enough by the other women since the all seemed to have a similar opinion contrasted to the Ukraine woman. It came to a point she stopped talking :(
Honestly, I was surprised by her answers in a positive way. I expected them all to have similar perspectives. And yes, a shame it felt like she wasn't heard enough. I would have dated her honestly because it seems we agree on a lot of the same values
I don't think the concept of career in Eastern Europe and Western Europe is the same. I am Romanian (not slavic, but Eastern European) and in Romania women have a kid and after 2 years you go back to 30-40h per week basically full time job. 4 in 10 senior executives are women. 1 in 3 engineers are women. Women will say that marriage is more important than career...not that they don't have one!!! In Germany and Itally women have a baby and come to work with a 15-20h contract. 1 in 10 senior executives are women ( usually HR). 1 in 10 engineers are women, but say career is more important than family and children and that eastern european women are gold diggers and not feminists like them. All these things show clearly that actually they are not equal and the german/italian guys provide more than romanian men need to.For them being career oriented means they go to work full time and not staying home with the kids, for romanians it means you are a manager/executive! Don't believe me? Check Eurostats!! I am sick and tired of these biases. I live in Germany and my german friends tell me how their moms work 1 day per week now that they are grown up. My mom woke up all her life at 5 AM to go to work and went to bed at 10PM ( holding a job, cleaning cooking and taking care of us kids) and most of the women did the same and this channel and western societies only focuses on who pays for dinner. Jesus!
Exactly, Females should work, be feminine to attract men and be submissive to men. this think that females should not work and just be a parasite on the shoulders of the men and expect that men should pay everything is stupid, but even some men support it. This is not feminism, this is normalism.
The same in Bulgaria. May be we should say that having a job doesn't mean you have a career. It's very rare in Bulgaria for a woman to stay home raising only her children. Most of them have a full time job.
@@Juniperus_Godegara @Eli Ali , Yes, but if that would be the case you wouldn't have a higher share of female executives and managers in Eastern European country vs western countries.
@@danac2899 I was just highlighting that having a career is not the same as having a job :-) Being career-oriented is not the same as wanting to work, male or female. But often times I hear this term career-oriented when it's just about a basic job, no real career.
Ukrainian woman tries to be opposite from typical Ukrainian too much. She tells everything opposite. Actually in Ukraine men always pay and women always expect that (99,9%).
She does, and I love it. She teaches people to use their own brains. Most just like to go along with their home culture, and never question whether it makes any sense. She uses her intelligence and makes her own judgement. It's really a breath of fresh air and it is the one thing that makes a difference to me between a girl I wanna fuck and a girl I want to spend my time with. We need more of that.
@@temporelucemtenebris5313 it's a show about cultural differences, she doesn't get it. But she likes only to show herself and specifically opposite. There is some people who like to do opposite (no matter what), it doesn't make them special, it makes them opportunistic in a stupid way.
Just say you don’t like women with different opinions and go home. She literally said how people traditionally are there but Also said which parts she doesn’t agree with. Not every slavic woman wants to be traditional and they have Right to voice themselves out.
@@ganndalf202 I should say smth just because you imagine it in your head? 😄 Not every woman is traditional no matter where, but she simply likes to say opposite, it's clear. It looks like she tries to separate herself from her culture "Yes, they are like that, but me opposite, about everything". She is really very bad choice to represent her culture. Other girl did it much more appropriate.
She actually didn't tell opposite. She correctly said what the majority of her country believes and sided with other slavic girls most of the time. But she then only mentioned that she disagrees personally what majority of the Ukrainian thinks. So, she is very precise on what she is talking about. You just wanted to blame her because she has a different and a feminist opinion.
A few things: first off, did anyone else try and get that “hair” off the screen only to realize it was the whiteboard on the left side of the screen? Second: yes, men are very visual creatures. Its programmed into our biology to find certain features attractive to make strong and healthy children. Third: the choice between a career and a family baffles me as to why it has to be one of the other. Raising a family and taking care of the home is a full time job. Its a whole ass career in and of itself. Either way you have a career whether the pay is a clean, well maintained home and hearth with a loving family or monetary.
If you don't have money no woman will even look at you. That applies to all women, not just Slavic. I am Serbian, wage slaving for 2 euro per hour up to 12 hours every day, no woman was ever interested in me in any way, shape or form.
That sounds like a city mentality. In any rural area a strong and capable man is much appreciated. I remember the Russian and Polish ship jumpers who appeared in Canada many years ago, when I was young. They were valued additions to our society due to their work ethic and manners. It's not what you do, it's how you do it.
@@Србомбоница86 devojko, imam 35 godina I nikad nisam bio sa nijednom zenom. Kao Sto rekoh, nijedna me nikad nije htela. Ima Tu vise razloga: nemam para, jedva sastavljam kraj sa krajem, imam veoma ozbiljan problem sa mucanjem, jedva pricam, nemam drustvo nikakvo... Svaka devojka sa kojom Sam ikad pokusao da pricam, ili me odjebala po kratkom postupku cim Sam otvorio usta (verovatno su mislile da Sam retardiran) ili, kad je videla da Sam slepac koji robuje za minimalac, pa isto me odjebala😂. Sad ja vise nisam ni sposoban za bilo kakvu vezu, vise me nije briga, navikao Sam da zivim Sam, I da mogu da zivim drugacije, ne bih umeo. Odavno Sam se pomirio sa cinjenicom da sta god zene hoce I traze u muskarca, ja jednostavno nemam. Zene ignorisu mene, ja ignorisem zene, nekima od Nas jednostavno nije sudjeno I to je to.
@@nikolapetrovic4814 Brother, your words have captivated me. I understand your situation. I also sense great spiritual energy in you, you're a warrior, resilient and brave. Your woman is closer than you think. I have faith in it and in you. Much blessings Lad, Namaste 🧘🏻♂️🪷🙏
3:09 "in Slovakia theres no McDonalds" I really hope she meant to say that "in Slovakia, people dont go on a date to McDonalds" because the first McDonalds in Slovakia was opened in 1995 and there is more than 40 opened McDonalds restaurants.
Good point. First of all, why would McD even be a topic for anyone over the age of 15? Of course you can grab a fast meal there when you’re deep into a relationship, but for a first date impression? Unheard of. Secondly, you’re gonna feel weirded out if you make reservations at a fancy candlelight live music restaurant, and your date shows up in jeans with large holes and a glorified bathrobe to cover up, while you go in a suit and put some effort into planning. I don’t care how busy your life is and how many glorious offers you’ve got from the competition, I don’t care for excuses. Just reschedule and show that you care, whenever you’re ready. That shows a minimum of respect.
One thing that interests me about this is how, though there are many different Slavic nations, they are all "grouped together" much more than the Germanic or Latin nations. I wonder why this is.
Because of Russian pan-slavic propaganda. All Slavs are supposedly "brothers"... so when they take another chunk of territory everyone can go like "well they're basically the same so who cares"
I dont wander why this is at all. Just like Africa and middle east and east asia is always grouped together. Its because its western media and this cultures are just not as familiar as Germanic and Romance cultures to westerners. Hollywood and media representation of E Europe also doesnt help.
Because if all slavic countries were so powerfull like wesrern it will be just in shadow (germany, Uk etc..) slavic countries never will be strong because of fear of germanic tribes in the west
I'm half Ukrainian and half Slovakian but I was born and raised in Slovakia and when I hear all these girls talk, it really makes me realize more why I never fit in my own country, even though I'm slavic I personally hate a lot of the aspects of our dating style. Personally I relate incredibly with the Ukrainian's girl's personal opinions because it's very similar to mine. Go girl, glad I'm not the only slavic girl that thinks like you do. I also feel with the Ukrainian girl how uncomfortable she is there because that's how I'm looking and avoiding most people around me lol. I'm so uncomfortable in my own country and I see it on her too.
It's just the last part was quite surprising for me. I'm Indian and I always wanted to date a slavic girl because I really like their culture, but I just didn't expect their dating standards to be soo high lol.
@@timmymannies6888 well, the reason why I hate dating in my country because the gender roles are kind over the top. People in the comments see it as nothing bad and yes, gender roles aren't bad but it comes with expectations down the line. So some of us Slavic women who actually do care for other things than what is traditional are waking up to the nonsense it is and then the same happens like here, we get talked over by the majority of women who are comfortable with gender roles. Like the paying too, People make it seem like I think it's bad and I have no issues with letting a man or anyone pay for me but it always comes with expectations that I hate. But if you are really interested in dating a slavic girl then don't be too scared of it. The standards aren't so high. I personally dress way too fancy because I like pretty and cute things and people look at me like I"m a freak. Because I don't wear leggins only nonstop lol. But the thing is the pressure to be the provider is big. And it's not so good like the Bulgarian girl says it is. I have seen a lot of families suffer because of it. I literally don't know a single working family because of these expectations and roles.
Being Slovak, I found Slovak girls complicated and ambiguous, like they want to be led but they also want to be sophisticated, I think they lack confidence. With Czech, Polish I didnt find this. I like the vibe from the Serbian in the video- she is a woman and that is all there is to it.
I am Russian but was raised in Germany. I know both eastern and western mentality in dating and relationships.. I understand the Slavic women point of view based on their cultural background. And I don't think it's wrong. It's just how it works for them. There are always pros and cons. It is true that in Slavic tradition the man is the provider but it also somehow gives him the right to be "higher" than the women, to have the power, to decide. Slavic women often want that and are ready to obey, because it's easy when you don't need to decide, when you just can depend on one man.. But very often the man uses his power.. In Russia domestic violence is a huge problem.. In my opinion no extreme direction is ever right. I believe in nature. And nature made male and female creatures. There is a difference. Look at the wildlife.. Here the male have to impress and to convince the female. So.. this is how I understand feminism, haha. She somehow has the power! 😅 I am for equality in terms of everything and it's great that in our modern world people can stick to someone with the same opinions and expectations :) I really struggle with dating in Germany, because I try to find a way somehow inbetween. I don't get along with the traditional eastern European men but also I'm repulsed by guys who want a pretty girl but don't see how much costs and energy come with a female petty appearance, guys who aren't interested in the differences that come naturally with the gender.. I mean.. man just can't imagine how it is to bleed every month. They will never know how it feels to make a human being inside of oneself (by the way girls carry the higher risk in terms of contraception)..! Not to mention the range of different hormones that are constantly changing our mood.. There are so many scientific studies that make the differences between the genders clear. Yes, girls can be physically stronger than men but in my German surrounding for example for men it's just easier to lift heavy things or fix some technical stuff.. There are still "traditional" conditions.. And here is what I am looking for.. Just an understanding of our male and female nature given differences and complement each other without trying to take over the power.. Oh, it's a huge topic really, but very interesting and discussable! Interviews like that give us the chance to look at other cultural specialities, which I find wonderful! I don't think that the world should be globalised in every single way.. (:
so you say that because equality women should start paying for the date and like in the wildlife women should start to impress and convince males to accept dates from them? im sure men will never live to see that day coming. women are all only attracted to a small minority of men who have access to 90% of females because a thing called hypergamy exists it proves that women WANT men to provide for them and pay for everything and if guy doesn't do that they will automatically lose interest in that man.
Romance is much superior to conflict over power. We were going to the bank one day and my Russian woman gave me her hand and said, "Guide me." So I did. I can't imagine a Western woman doing that but there's no good reason to have conflict over things like that instead of enjoying each others company. Imagine having that life growing inside you and it's -40 outside and you're living in a log house. You want somebody to take care of you, right? These funny to us cultural quirks are why there are still Russians in the world. It was a matter of survival.
I'm from Poland and my husband is Croatian. I can't imagine not having a job and not being independant. Our mothers and Grandmothers often were trapped in bad marriages because they didn't have money to live (if they had to) - that is Basic for me that I'm with someone because I want not because I can't afford to be alone. I would never Let the guy that I'm not going to see again Pay for me-if you like the guy and you want to spend time with him you can Let him Pay, because next time you can Pay for sth or organize the activity, but when you don't like the guy you are Just paying your part to not hear that you met him only to eat, Come on!
this is my view, if a guy called you on a date he should pay, he called YOU, make sense that he pay at least that makes sense to me. it is 21 century every reasonable person is aware that on a date any of them can pay for it, but in my opinion one that was first to make a move and set a date should pay for it.
@@fpsserbia6570 That might be a mindset that would work IF women were substantially more active and blatant in pursuing men. I know this is extremely normal in places like French Quebec, Canada. However, in most places on Earth, it is either less frequent or not normal at all. Thus, if you are a guy who wants a relationship, then you by default have to go pursue someone.
I'm and American talking to an amazing woman from Poland. She's adamant to be independent. But so we can afford to meet, we've opened an investment fund so that we both contribute to the fund equally so that I can fly to meet her...and she can afford to fly to me and spend some time in each other's country. Then we will decide where we will live. I was shocked by how anti-feminist she is. I have been so conditioned by living in the US that she is a never ending source of amazement about how different Eastern European women are from American women are. It's no wonder there are so many "passport bro's"...
As a Georgian it's interesting that date paying and monogamy culture in Georgia is similar, but when it comes to dressing feminine, it's not necessary and there is not as big pressure to "put on makeup" or "dress feminine" as in Slavic countries. "Guys are visual types" - Not all. Georgian men would rather see you dress modest and plain than like a super star who grabs all the attention lol. I think this dressing aspect is more liberal influenced than conservative for Slavs. Also Good Education and career for a woman is really valued in Georgian Society.
Interestingly, Persian women in Canada are often like that. Really value education, they are quite charming compared to Canadian women the way they talk but don’t always feel the need to wear lots of makeup and dress super glamorous or sexy to impress.
My sweetheart, who is 61 and Russian, wears a 3 euro dress and heals and no makeup to Walmart and gets compliments. This is 10 minutes after she spent the day gardening. It's a gift. She isn't trying to be noticed. She does it because she wants to look good for her man. I appreciate it and hold her hand and give her kisses there in the store. Romance is superior to conflict.
I'm a guy and I would definitely date her. I was very surprised to hear her answers because I thought all of them would have the same opinions but it seems that she and I share the same views, at least as presented here. Compared to everyone else, I resonated with the Ukrainian girl the most
I'm with Miss Ukraine 100% on this one. I'm not with the whole traditional gender roles, men Must do this, women must do this, etc. I like efficiency, compromise, and logical decisions. Gender norms seem illogical at times in these convos. Personality type, individual goals, and adaptation (to me) are wayyyy more important than all this other stuff about "emasculation" and women need to be "feminine" to get a man. Like, if you as a guy cant handle a woman paying for a date, you're fragile. If you as a woman always want to be submissive and dainty, feminine, and don't wish to have certain levels of autonomy, you better hope you don't get taken advantage of because [some] men will act like they "own you" if you act like you want to be "taken care of" all the time. That's how I feel about this and I'm a man.
" [some] men will act like they "own you"" Okay, but what if that's what they want? What if that's what they're into? Just because you wouldn't want that sort of arrangement doesn't mean no woman should.
@Eli Says Williamson 2024 see this is where reading comprehension comes in. I never said women should do A, B, or C. I said I don't like traditional gender norms. Thus, I'm with Ukraine. I disagreed with the other women, but I never did say they shouldn't do what they want. Take the time to read comments before responding...that way ur comment/ reply makes sense.
@@KnijMagz I didn't straw man you, I know what you said. Which is that it isn't a good idea for a woman to be submissive and feminine, because she'll get taken advantage of. And I reiterate: Who are you to say that this is inherently negative? If a woman wants to be dominated by a strong, assertive man then more power to her.
@Eli Says Williamson 2024 lmao again where does it say it's explicitly negative do be in a traditional relationship? I'll wait. Secondly I can say whatever I want. Thats why the lady said comment your thoughts. So just because you disagree with me, doesn't mean you can say I said things that I never said. Go back and re-read it.
I agree a lot with the perspective of the Ukrainian girl. I mean if I want to date you, The looks is a complement with your personality and points of view. You can dress with pajamas honestly I don’t care haha (my opinion)
There's no job in the world more important than being good parents and raising good kids. My sweetheart is from Russia and is old-fashioned. You're lucky if she even talks to you. If she smiles at you, you're half way to being married. If you're married, she's wonderful. These are serious people. If you want to be treated like a man, pay the bills like a man. Your role is to make sure that everybody in the family stays healthy and happy. If that's too much for you, don't get married and have kids. The rest of us will thank you for not making us support them all when you run.
And finally an advice for 50 years of marriage to all the lads out there, this is what my grandma gave to me: "Drop by drop it will become a river", "Step by step you can climb a moutain". A metaphor, paraphrasing, she married his ass when my gramps was 28 and she was 20, they didn't had anything, no apartments, no nice cars, nothing. But what they gained afterwards, they build, sacrificed and acquired together as a family. You all don't want a woman that marries you for a fancy cars, apartments and money. That goes both ways, cause nowadays the roles are reversed, so that can be valid for a woman's side too. Her old man passed away recently, hope most of you that read this, have marriage examples like that.
@@Frivals One of these women in the video is from my homeland, so I would distance myself from labeling any of these women with nasty words. For the views they express, all I am going to say is that they as most modern people with so called modern beliefs, they are just confused. I do get what they mean, and what they express, but that doesn't mean that I'll agree with them. About traditionalism, I'll declare that traditionalism is Christ and Orthodox Christianity.
@@nikolaininkov that frivals guy sounds like a bitter western man🤢 Avoid men who seek "traditionalism" but are eager to speak so nastily about women i loved reading the story about your grandparents! it gives me hope. relationships like that are loyalty and hard work. it sounds like even if he had nothing materialistically when they met, he knew how to provide and to fulfill his duties. a relationship is about BUILDING together. May your grandfather rest in peace.
I am Serbian and I agree with Ukranian woman for the first part of the video. I would appreciate man simply offering to pay but then we can split the bill. Or I can pay, I dont really mind. If he does pay that first time, then I definitely want to pay the second one. It's quite individual thing I guess.
I think some points need to cleared from the comment section. “feminine” and “traditional” in Slavic countries does NOT mean: 1. Being submissive 2. Being housewife Those are western ideas. Feminine in SC simply means you are caring, dress and behave with certain aura, enhance your feminine features, etc. Masculine means you are gentleman, protective, strong (not dominant or provider). Most ppl in Slavic countries cannot live from one salary. Golden diggers immigrating to the west might be a different category.
The old-fashioned ones also seem to want to take care of the home and family. It makes them happy. I have no problem with people being happy though that seems to be something that the West dislikes.
@@neilreynolds3858 That Is part of it too. But not JUST taking care of family And home, they have career added to that. I forgot to mention most of the countries Have long paid parental leave (few years in Some countries), Wich mostly the mother takes. So a "housewife" Is a thing when kids Are little. Family And relationships go above career in most cases, even for men.
Gender roles are changing… Slavic countries can still be very conservative. I bet if you asked Italian, French, British, German, Spanish women the same question the answer would be so different!
@@free22 I was referring to gender roles. Also Italy and Spain is conservative out away from the main cities. Even then there are some traditional women in the city just that more filtering is required
Yeah but luckily some women are starting to wake up to the nonsense it is and are trying to change it but sadly the push back from society especially from other fellow slavic women is huge. So it's still going to take a lot of time, unfortunately. I have been screamed at from both men and women how I should live my life according to what is expected my whole life so ye.
It's fine if that's what they want, but i heavily disagree. it's not 'natural'. It's simply your feeling. As a woman i don't want a 'provider'. I want a partner. If I had to 'provide' income while he 'provides' home making skills' that's fine by me. Again, not saying they can't have what they want, just that this generalization is something I disagree with. I don't think there's this magic 'innate' thing that 'women' (or men) have. I agree with orange dress lady. And she does seem to disagree with many of it. But I could be wrong. For me it can end with just communication. If I love my man, then I'll give him anything. Gifts etc. IF that's what he wants. My man can just ask 'hey babe (or whatever lol) do you like surprises'. It's really just about communication. So yes, if my man insists on paying, ask him why. Because it's the manly thing to do or because you like it? (some people are just naturally happy being people pleasers, that's fine too) Also, please be careful with the 'men are visual creatures'. I am going to say I know thats not what she meant, but these type of rhetoric is used on women, blaming them for their assaults. Let me emphasize, she's not a bad person, but it perpetuates the idea that it's ok to say it.
Yes we should cater to women who want to be feminine and mothers and women who want to be independent and have careers. We should create that world that allow a woman to choose to be whatever they want. And no one side should be considered less than just because they want different things. That’s the disconnect I feel between traditional vs. independent women because both sides don’t feel like they’re seen by the other and feel like they’re less than if they don’t want to be a mother or vice versa a career woman.
@@abandonedfragmentofhope5415 exactly this. Thank you. Just leave people alone. Neither is bad nor good as long as you don't generalize. I might be a little strong on it but I just disagree as a child free women that people keep saying there's this innate thing in women. We have no idea. Many women of the past had lots of kids for fear of whatever (being called a spinster etc) how much of these women innately wanted kids? We don't know. I studied psychology and unless they have the studies that I am not aware of the whole "men are visual" is kind of bs. Men are no more nor less visual than women. I know they mention its just a fun video and not to go too deep. I just respectfully disagree. These type of stuff just interest me. tldr. Just communicate people... And mind your own business. Stop (not saying the ladies in the video) getting mad if others choose to stay at home or be boss lady. Who cares
Completely agree, it's mostly societal. I've had a few female friends (not dates) pay for my coffee, and I definitely didn't feel insecure about it. I just thought it was nice of them, and I immediately viewed them in a better light. Frankly, I think that the understanding of these things depends a lot more on the intelligence of an individual, rather than their country. Every country has some good and some stupid customs, but if you're smart enough to judge for yourself, and the law doesn't abide you to anything (like in some muslim nations), then these customs don't matter all that much. What sucks is that most people are conformist, and especially women, due to higher level of agreeableness. Most women just go along with their home culture, never questioning a thing. To meet women who are not like that is a breath of fresh air tbh.
@@temporelucemtenebris5313 exactly. Most of my problems with people is that people defend their culture through the bias that, my culture has to be right and only my culture. I'd rather people just do what works for them. This means communication. That's it. This whole. Let him pay because that's the chivlraous thing to do. Or don't let him pay because equality. Maybe ask yourself why. I know its hard for people and no one wants go that depe. But that's just me
As a Slavic Canadian I think the whole seeing multiple people thing is dumb. It’s a way for some people to get away with getting benefits from multiple people without committing. It’s sleazy.
As an Indian man who dated Russian, French and other Western European women, I find the views of the Ukrainian woman very adorable and refreshing. Based on what she said in this video (until 8:49 mark, where I stopped watching it for today), she's a real keeper and potentially a torchbearer for generations of women to come.
Enjoyed learning the Slavoc culture...interests and stereotypes etc...As American it is Refreshing to hear other countries Not prescribing to the corrupt evil Hollywood ways .. it's awesome that countries continue to keep there Traditions and individual traditions and not become feminist american forced corruption.. Thanks I enjoy listening to all the interesting countries and cultural exchange of ideas...
If you traveled to some of these countries which I have, Hollywood is strictly entertainment. It's unfortunate Americans don't travel and yet have an opinion on lots of stuff makes you look foolish.
I am a Bulgarian man and I can say that it is true that women here expect to be paid all the time which I find very frustrating and unfair for men. Its not fair because as man you have to pay for her until she decides "if she like you or not" and sex is not guaranteed even if you paid her a lavish dinner or something. And another thing, eastern European women tend to complain all the time about everything and they are also very boring and you as a man have to maintain conversation the whole time to 'entartain' her. They don't know much about the world and are a bit stiff and closeminded. I think on average they are prettier than most western European and more family oriented but be sure that they have some hidden minuses. They are not that perfect as they look for sure. It comes to what a man is looking for, if these minuses are acceptable or not. Its not all women like that but I think most are very close to that description, sorry if I offend anyone. I lived in 7 countries so far and that is my view, cheers.
You might be finding these women in the wrong place or attracting the wrong kind of women. I know exactly the type you're talking about but I know so many of them that are not like that.
Actually the family propaganda is just that. You have more divorces and less children than wealthy westerners. Which is only natural given that sexist mentality you described.
Respect for a woman, yes, of course all women deserve respect! And yes a man is expected to be a provider, but to his wife, family and kids, not to a woman he first met and wants to go on a date with. If we are going out, we are splitting the bill, even on a first date, yes we are splitting the bill! Not until I am into a serious relationship with a woman, and not until I know what she feels, and I am certain that she wants more than just dates am I willing to start taking care for a woman. Until than, she is an emancipated woman, who can take care of herself, and pay her own share. Men, have more respect for yourself, your work and time, and don't allow women to use you, set the boundaries from the first day. And if we are all talking about traditionalism, I gotta point out that the modern concept of dating and hook up culture isn't part of a traditional society. Courtship is, yes the man is the leading side in courtship, but it goes both ways and a woman has to make an effort also, during the courtship. Respecting a woman 's boundaries during the courtship period is important, than asking the blessings of her parents, marriage, etc., that's the traditional way. And in some cultures a man is supposed first to go and ask the blessings and allowance of a woman's parents before even engaging into courtship. Otherwise the other way around is a major sign of disrespect.
Nah her little girlboss declaration was delusional. She expects men to pay for her, buy her gifts, and shower her with protection and attention, but won't do anything in return until she gets a "ring?" Relationships are like an audition for the man and woman to prove they would be good spouses, and she failed hers.
Bulgary n.1 ❤ from Italy Ps: marriage is reserved to very low body count cultural systems, exclusive access to x is n.1 incentive to the heaviest contract of a man's life and the hard sacrifice by women to not be promiscuous is compensate by marriage
As a dude, i prefer these traditional gender roles. I'm from the US, and i respect not only non binary gender, but also feminism. But I'm just not attracted to any of that. I'd rather do the whole traditional courting process. I am out girls, pay for dates and they in return dress nicely and be as hot as the can be lol
There are beauty and colours of this planet. No 1 is solvic women 2nd is wine 3rd is cigar 4th is flower 5th is fragrance or perfume 6th is ocean 7th is travelling. I have 2nd to 7th but no 1 is still missing and struggling for that
I'm Mexican, and obviously as any straight man I love Slavic women, they always look fantastic, but the mentality is very very different from my country, even if I like them visually and we get along i think i couldn't date one... I want a partner in crime, someone to look as equal, someone that's independent and wants to grow professionally... Parenting is from both of us, tasks at home too... Also, I don't like to be seen as a living ATM. I think it's nice that women there are old fashioned, but definitely not for me 😅
Pffff BS I am Russian my BF is Mexican we are together for 4 years and before him I had Mexican BF. I can assure you we are not different at all. Our mentality and family values are almost identical. Besides the part that Russian girl never forgive u if u cheat. 😂😂😂😂 she gonna cut Puto’s balls and fry it. However most of Russian girls love that “Mexican drama queen” cabron-ish behavior and deal with it. 😊 and BTW if Mexican guys once tried date Slavic girl, he will never go back to other nationalities 🥴
I highly disagree with the bulgarian about it being the western culture fault in the last question. I live in part where being westernized is heavily frowned upon and I have seen nothing but suffering in the family lives of everyone I know and in my own. Yes, I am Slavic and that is the reason I struggled a lot in western countries when I lived there because I don't disagree with a lot of things they do but some things are good that we can improve upon. We as Slavic need to stop blaming other cultures and countries for our own suffering unless they are directly causing it. We are causing our problems ourselves, not because of others.
It's not "the fault of Western women" as you stated but I think what she meant to say was cultural hegemony which is absolutely correct. It's not about fault but these attitudes are spread to other parts of the world because of Western hegemony and as she said through TV and movies. Personally I prefer the Slavic tradition in this case. The career women culture in my opinion has its roots in the economic system of the West which was forced on the rest of the world.
@@teslastellar Disagree, people here blame western women a lot for wanting to change things. Its' why for the rest of us who don't desire to have the traditional slavic life struggle a lot and are being shamed. We are being shamed for not wanting the same life by both men and women. If you like the stereotypical slavic life ok, but a lot of Slavic women don't want it anymore and this mindset that western career women system is bad makes it hard to change anything. I don't need people lecturing me about my own culture. On the other hand it also doesn't help that westerners look down upon our culture either. Gender roles aren't bad or good. Being a career woman is not good or bad either, its' about other people not dictating how you have to live, which the pressure here is still to this day and unless the mindset of women themselves won't change, nothing will change. Career woman is not something that is forced, is a choice that every woman in the world deserve to have. Just because I'm slavic doesn't mean I deserve to be shamed for wanting a career life over family life when I suffered greatly in such traditional famly.
@@Србомбоница86 yeah typical Slavic behavior. I despise that. Being a housewife is nightmare for me. I love my work so I can’t relate. But you do you. Find a rich husband and do whatever. It’s against my nature personally.
@@Србомбоница86you should calm down. It was ages since Bulgarians beat the sh*t out of Serbs. We are brothers for God sake and we see you as even and our closest relatives.
Exactly, Females should work, be feminine to attract men and be submissive to men. this think that females should not work and just be a parasite on the shoulders of the men and expect that men should pay everything is stupid, but even some men support it. This is not feminism, this is normalism.
Slovak girl in DBB video...hands up ...been waiting for that for quite a while. And everything she said is true. Oh and how about making a video: You know youre dating a slovak woman (and possibly man) when... Thanks.
As a woman from another Slavic country I appreciate if men behave traditionally, because it simply feels very good, but at the same time I’m still ok with more modern manners, like for example splitting the bill etc. It depends a lot on culture which the man comes from, so I would have different expectations for a man from Norway, and totally different for a man from e.g. Serbia :))
She clearly said what is considered as the norm in her country while mentioning her personal view, so I don't see how you can say that it's not the Ukrainian reality. And actually, nowadays, Ukrainian society is very diverse, though she's right to present the traditional views because obviously they still have influence on society. Also, the current situation will obviously have an influence on many things in Ukraine's society, even though it's hard to predict how, so we'll see how it goes. I mean, war usually brings people together more, which can increase the desire to get married and so on, people are looking for reassuring things that they know, so it can reinforce traditional values and gender roles, but at the same time... well, many men are on the front, many women are also abroad on their own, so it kind of forces women to be more independent. So I really don't know what will happen next. But as for pre-2022, Ukraine's society was really diverse regarding all this, though traditions still have some influence in society.
The Serbian woman is really invested in gender roles and talked down others to make sure it was known lol. I agree a lot with the Ukrainian woman, and totally get what she means when explaining that societal norms are still stuck in the past a lot (grandparents generation) but that on an individual basis (especially younger generations) it’s different and varies from person to person because things are changing. But it definitely seems like majority of Slavic cultures still are into gender roles right now, at least based on hearing this group.
Ironically, the rigid adherence to prescribed notions of femininity may appear as anything but feminine in its lack of receptivity and accommodation of the individual differences in not only men, but also in herself.
"Women decided to be like that , not 'cause men pushed them to" i loved this , 'cause be a powerful woman doesn't make a woman be more woman than the one who wanted to be a mother
I am Russian-Irish, having grown up both in Eastern and Western Europe and I feel a little bit strange about the final part of this video, discussing how “Western values” have entered Slavic culture and now women are overwhelmed. On my Russian side, my grandmother and both great-grandmothers worked and some were even the breadwinners of their families, meanwhile in Ireland it wasn’t until the 1970s that women were allowed to keep their jobs if they got married and wanted to have children. Also, I would like to point out that in the United States, the post-war period strongly encouraged women to stay at home and keep house, so much so, that its glamorisation in the media translates into reality TV and pop culture of the 2000s, even given the fact that American society pushed for female empowerment, liberalisation, equality and the sexual revolution. Why I feel strange about the points some of the women in the video have made - in the so-called “Western” society, being a housewife was a lot more prevalent and encouraged than in the European part of Russia, or other ex-Soviet countries, where women have had a high workforce participation rate. We need to consider the conditions under which these things are possible and impossible - free healthcare, childcare, education, maternity leave, social insurance. They are not the same across countries that would have adopted different ideologies of economic planning. As for women being overwhelmed with balancing family and career - no argument against it being challenging and exhausting. Women who have a family, loving relationship with their partner, a career (or even a job that ensures them with financial stability and independence), and/or are pursuing further education are powerhouses and have my utmost respect. However I do not believe that this is the fault of the Western society that they are exhausted and unhappy. I am under the impression that Slavic societies pressure women to have a family and children at a young age (aka below 30, or even 25), and some do not have a full grasp of how many resources one has to invest to have a family, not just financially, but also emotionally. You have to commit to compromises and sacrifice parts of yourself to dedicate them to your partner and children (who are dependent on you!!!!), which limits your growth in spheres like career or even personal interests and hobbies. Many women do not realise that and thus could have regrets about having children or getting married as they lament a part of themselves that they never have had the chance to develop. This can happen in any culture, in any country and is mainly down to the individual level, in my opinion.
If you want to see high rates of depression in women, look at the modern American suburban college-educated progressive women. Something like 25% of them are taking antidepressants and antianxiety meds. They like to blame it on the patriarchy but they've all done exactly what they want with less pressures than men have always put up with. Be careful what you wish for. Every choice has consequences.
Traditions have died and gone. We are living in different times where the men don't need to do chivalrous things anymore ..like paying for your steak. Pay your own bill. I ask you out you could say no.. When you said yes it is an agreement for both parties to pay their own meal on the first date.
👉 Females must work, be feminine to attract men and be submissive to men. this think that females should not work and just be a parasite on the shoulders of the men and expect that men should pay everything is stupid, but even some men support it. This is not feminism, this is normalism.
I'll definitely really agree with the Bulgarian lady it's okay for many to be a working mum and have few kids it's just mindset 💚💚😊 I do love the Slavic culture alot and I think it's becoming corrupt by the Western ideology I mean tryna to show ur better than a man most times do pushes away relationship and personally i think dressing do mattets sometimes U can't just dress up like a old woman and expect to be attractive Still tho i think at least the Slavic culture is unique buh it's changing due to the west and paying for dinner should be okay between partners buh if it's a first date and the guy ask u out he should definitely pay?😅 relationship dosent need to be fancy as long as you both love and trust each commitment is all above riches and other worldly distraction Love should be final 💚💚 I was expecting Poland too be here my favorite slav 🇵🇱🇵🇱💚🙏😊
