DO YOU NEED THE 116 BIG BORE KIT ? - INDIAN STAGE 3 BBK REVIEW 

Thanks for watching DRB!

I agree with this comment. I have an 18 Springfield darkhorse, in winter or cold weather I really have to warm her up before I ride. Once warm she's fine.

I get ya', spinning my tires wasnt in the orginal plan, but when you do a review on a performance upgrade people want to hear about the performance. Doesnt mean i ride like this around town. Thanks for watching!

Hey! Barbara is the same exact way. She doesn’t want to touch anything. I did put the tuner it on she does like the tune, runs much better.

Hahaha, OMG like that thing needs more power! Holy schnickies Batman.

SO I really thought about doing the 121 with him but it would have cost me almost another $2k and since they don't really show much interest in working with small RU-vidrs like me i decided to stay with Indian's kit. The other issue is was how long the bike would be down. minimum 2 weeks...probably more like 4 and i would have had to take the bike to them. Big hassle. Would love to have one, just wasnt in the cards.

oh, thanks for watching!

@@TwoIndians Not interested in working with small youtubers? I don't understand what that has to do with Lloyd. Are you thinking that you should get some kind of special discount? He doesn't do that for anyone except if they are beta testing a kit.

diamondrmp nah man, I’m not saying that at all. I never asked them for anything either, I just weighed my options and for all the reasons above decided on Indian. BTW, nobody has ever comp’d me for anything on my bike, don’t expect it but it sure as hell would be nice. :D I guess my point was I’m not some big RU-vidr that gets shit thrown at his doorstep for free and I don’t go knocking on doors to get it. That’s all. Hope you don’t get the wrong impression.

How do I get in touch with Lloyd does he have a last name? A business? He sounds like the man ❤️💪🏾💯

Funny is my middle name. Haha. I was Marvel/Disney would have let me keep the original version but I had to edit it out.

Twoindians Director's Cut Outtake- 116 Review Captain Marvel

Thanks GM! I’m at 18.5k so almost time for the 20k review!

Thanks BJ

You on a Springfield or Chieftain?

@@joevsfood I have an '18 Chieftain.

He was amazing and super patient with me but I’m still left with the feeling it needs to be done on a dyno.

Anytime!

Nice! What color?

Deepwater metallic.

Awesome thanks!! Good for you man! Did you get it tuned yet?

You are pretty much spot on with you assessment. The factory 116 is a far better starting point though because all you need to add is the cam/throttle body kit and you’re there. As far as the tuning “issues” go, those are my issues, LOL, the bike is fine without a tune but I don’t like fine, I like better. Hehe, always on the search for perfection. In the end I think you want a tune no matter which direction you go but it sounds like you got this figured out and trust me, you’re gonna be quite happy 😁😁😁😁🙏🙏😎

Best bike in the whole lineup IMHO!

What color?

Same color as yours. Test rode a 19 Chieftain Classic and the Springfield. Decided I really didn’t need a $10k ride command. I’ve put 250 miles on it since yesterday.

Right on man!!!! Love it!

Thank you!

I had very similar results on my Stage 2s but the HP was a tad lower, torque was identical. Thanks for checking it out?

With 116 BBK and Lloyds 585 cams, Lloyds said it pushes 112HP and 137 Torque on website

It was another $100 for the 117 so I decided I couldn’t swing it. Barb wanted me to get the 113.3

I couldn’t live without it now.

Honestly, I like my Springfield better Than the Challenger. Not a fan of the Challenger seat, not comfortable for me. The Springy is just perfect for me, I see know reason to change now because the 116 has made the bike even better. Enjoy!

@@TwoIndians completely agree, have exactly the same opinion. Springfield is a wonderful bike....to watch and to ride!

Hello Björn, I'm also from Germany and I'm currently looking into an Indian BBK. Have you made any progress? Do you have more detailed experience about the costs and the feasibility of registration at the TÜV? Thanks and greetings Oliver

@@MuellerMarc Hi Oliver, let me gimme you here briefly some answers, for detailed contact to me have a look at the Indian Facebook site in Germany, ( Indian Motocycle Owners Germany) where you will find me and we can go in direct contact. Fortunately my bike is from 2016, so still EURO 3, that means, I can probably legally install that BBK with TÜV and registered performance improvement in the papers for the insurance. From 2017 on, all over Europe, every factory performance stage kits are unfortunately not allowed anymore. All manufacturers had to take out of their program such upgrades. So, if you have an EURO 4 Indian, from 2017 or younger, it will be difficult for you, if you want 100% compliance :-). As a rough calculation you should be prepared for around 5.000,- € including ca. 1.000 € installation cost and import and shipping. Best Regards, Björn

I just got a 2023 Springfield and live in St Johns, FL just south of Jax. Ping me if riding down this way.

It is so fast now I honestly can’t ever imagine needing more power.

Only ridden to Church on Sundays by a little old lady

Thanks for mentioning that, yes, I’ve lost about 2MPG on average. Getting 38.5 now, used to be right at 40.5 before

Thank you. Please tell him! Needs gear

I totally agree, stage 2 pretty much is about all anyone needs especially if you have a 2019 with ride modes. But I can’t deny the power from the 116 is other world power.

ridewithtwoindians definitely. Good it comes factory standard in some of the 2020 models. The 116 is even better than the new Challenger as per my body who tried both.

RealBox We don’t really “need” all the power from the 111, but as gear heads will be, we just “want” more...😎

Broman and The Squaw I used to ride Harleys in the past few years. All I can say, my bank account was always dry because the mods and accessories were never end. I promised myself when I got to the Indian word to be wiser and control what I am spending. The good thing about Indian and the bad as well, there is not high-quality aftermarket parts. This is good for me because it controls my spending way better than Harley.

Thanks Michael! Shirts are $21 for Men’s Up to XL. XXL and larger are $25 + $5 shipping. You can pay through FB or Venmo or PayPal etc.

@@TwoIndians great, send me an email so I can send through Venmo or Paypal

@@mdynova4809 message me on FB, not sure i have your email

I’m familiar with them a little bit, would not mind trying one if the people from Dobek are watching, LOL

@@TwoIndians send them a link to this post, and I’ll bet they give you a discount.

Indian has a stage 4??? I know Lloydz has a 126, haven’t seen anything else from Indian though. I cannot even fathom that much torque. I heard the Lloydz 126 is about 140 fp. That’s plenty for me.

From what I hear everyone say ( for whatever that is worth) they would have to prove the tune was the reason for the failure. Like if someone tuned it to only run at 7k rpm. Or super lean and you burn it up.

Not sure if it’s available as a 116 from the factory on the classic although keep in mind the BBK upgrade does have more power than a stock 116. When you buy the BBK it comes with cams and a larger throttle body that is not included in the stock 116. Although those options are also available as upgrade.

I dang sure like it, yes!

@@TwoIndians its awesome! This video here is what makes me want to get an Indian with a stage 3. Be safe!

Thanks buddy!

A friend just traded his 2019 GW on a Challenger. Says it has more power and way more soul, that’s the way he put it. 😁😎

@@TwoIndians right, if the challenger was out when I was buying probably would have bought it instead as I wanted liquid cooled bike. Definitely seems to have more soul, liked your review on it.

Thanks! Yes you need to have an upgraded intake and exhaust. The 16” bars are from Indian.

and you will be thrilled with the Stage 2, I mean it's a very substantial gain. I was actually happy with that until my wife suggested I get the BBK. Hey, who's gonna argue?

Nether argue with her indoors👍 @@TwoIndians

You going to re-edit that in as a blooper?

I think I’m going to put it up as a separate video and not monetize it, that was the issue.

Put 116 kit on 2019 chieftain workhorse tips get tuner though smooths outflow and.

Hey Curt, there are many theories about this but i think the definitive consenus is that the valve springs on the older models are weaker and the increased lift on the cams is causing the clack. The weaker springs are a well known condition (I wont say "issue") of the older models and I truly SHOCKED the dealer did not tell you that a valve spring job was required to do the Cams on your bike. As far as a solution goes you're going to have to weigh the cost difference between a BBK and valve spring replace. Either way the heads are coming off. PLEASE do not take my word for all of this. Do some research, I'm just going by what Ive heard. The "Indian Motorcycle Tech" group on FB is a great place to start. Helpful yet sarcastic group that they are. LOL. Good luck! All is not lost. (BTW, many say the tune can rectify this problem as well but I'm dubious).

Honestly it’s the best thing I’ve done for the bike. There is no greater improvement or upgrade that I’ve done that has provided me with more benefit. I wouldn’t have a TS model without these upgrades.

It’s a very big difference…Stage 2 is the best value for gains but the BBK feels like an exponential step up. Additionally if you feel like eventually you will do the BBK, you would be wasting money on the S2. Ask me how I know LOL

Not at all. You may need a better tune on it.

There is no BBK for the Challenger, yet. At least not through Indian. I hear some aftermarket outfit is doing a BBK but it’s very new. I’ll wait for Indian to put one out. Good question though.

@@TwoIndians I appreciate the reply. I'm not real motor savvy but I love speed. I need a Lil more. My buddy has a built 131 and I don't think I can beat him. It's gonna be close. But I need a Lil bump.

@@jimmysandborn910 i totally get it. Im used to the power already on my Challenger. I need a BBK myself

Its a maximum drop of about 2mpg. and I am riding it hard so YMMV. Used to average 41 now I'm at 39mpg. Not important for the average ride (

yeah, that is insanely expensive, time consuming and not worth the effort IMHO. they did a great job tuning my wife's bike at Biketoberfest but...well, 'nuff said

Right now I average about 38mpg but that was never a concern for me. I mean let’s face it, even 4 mpg dip would be less than 12 miles per tank or about a $1.15 if my math is right.

Stage 2 for the 2018 is upgraded cams only. Stage 3 is the BBK and on a 2018 it includes a far more aggressive cam set, larger throttle body and high compression pistons and a couple other things I can’t recall ATM. REMEMBER, the cams for the BBK are pretty stout, requires more lift and duration for larger pistons.

@@TwoIndians I think id be happy with a 111 with stage 2 set up, or a factory model with 116, and only slip-on exhaust..

The 111 with S2 is the best value for performance, the bump in power is pretty amazing for the $$$

@@TwoIndians did you seem to notice more increase of engine noise with any of your stage changes

@@ut1004bp none what so ever. same as before

The stock rods are not stout enough to support the change in compression ratio and piston size.

You have the bike in pieces small enough to put in a 12 pack box!!! I don't want my bike torn down like that ...maybe after 52 years of riding I don't need to go that fast!

Ok so fwiw the 116 was not available when I bought my bike. Also, the BBK makes more power than a factory 116 so choose wisely.

@@TwoIndians I did not know that. Really the 111 to 116 kit makes more power than a factory 116? Why is that? The new chief is lighter too so my 111 with stage 2 cams and tune feels almost too powerful as is. I’ve counted the number of times I’ve actually managed to redline it. Torque hits like a sledgehammer. But you know we all have that itch to want more and more !

@@Ramibiker2023chief the factory 116 has a smaller throttle body and stock cams. When you buy a 166 kit it come with the larger throttle body and perfrmance cams.

Yes, I have another video on that! :)

I don’t think I’m saying that at all, to each his my brother! Buy what sails your ship, mate. Haha, see what I did there? Thanks for watching

30000K is actually 30 million. A bit pricey for any bike, really.

Hey Gary, well hold on because I wear shorts, sometimes I don’t wear a helmet. Sometimes. Thanks for watching and I appreciate your concern and care though. 👍👍👍✌️

There are legitimate reasons to NOT get a 126 including warranty, service and the reality of long warm up periods and other concerns that surround the 126. Living in “Floriduh” as you say is not convenient for getting a 126 installed or serviced if there was a problem. You do what works for you, I’ll do what works for me but a brilliant man such as yourself already knows all this.

LOL, I’m sure it seems that way but let me tell you, this puppy is dialed in like nobody’s business.

@@TwoIndians I wish you luck. Ride safe.

In the summer when it’s 98 degrees out, you are darn tootin’