That intro was off the scale cool, it was defo in Neistat territory, what with it being a general vlog type educational video that uses cinematography. Very very well done guys, you just took your channel to the next level!! 👍
Great video, but out of all the videos on RU-vid there is one video that seems to be TOTALLY missing! Colour Management Workflows and Colour Science! Why are there literally millions of videos about grading video and LOG (Raw) video on RU-vid but nobody has the intuition or foresight to talk about colour management workflows. All this 'grading' work by independent film-makers is worthless if the colour management is not set up properly on the timeline, and then subsequently for delivery. It could all be worthless if final delivery interprets it wrong. All this great colour grading software is pointless unless it is conformed properly in the edit suite and delivery methods. Please make a video tutorial about setting up colour management for edit/delivery! Also there are too many videos about grading LOG (Raw) footage. Most independent film-makers don't have the time or budget to shoot LOG and shoot in camera (baked in footage) only! How about a video about grading baked in footage? I'm genuinely shocked that the video tutorial videos that should exist on RU-vid simply do not. Please talk about Rec709, Rec2020, ACEScct, input, output, Davinci Colour Managed, timeline setting for colour science, delivery settings for cinema DCP, Blu-Ray, streaming services, etc etc please. PLEASE! That's what indie film-makers who use this type of software really need to know.
Just found this channel and am loving the videos so far! Also, I assume I am not the only who gets some serious Tom Holland vibes of Richard's (I believe, he is the one donig the intro) voice and looks?
Cool video, thanks! Quick question: log seems to need extra light. How do you handle log footage at night with natural lighting? Skip it and go for natural? Or deal with the consequences in post? (I am rookie)
I really like the sponsor thing and that the text is out of focus when the BG is. I have done that myeslf on some videos. It looks very good and creative guys! I always use v-logL on my GH5 because the dynamic Range sucks on the other prfiles. My SmallHD Focus has support forLUT, and i haven't used it before the last months and it's so much easier to focus etc when using a LUT because you can actually see. I have focus peaking aswell so that helps extremily on Log-footage! :-)
Focusing without a LUT is just impossible! There's so little contrast! Glad you like the advert. We will probably shoot a few more like this in the future :)
There's a huge difference between flat profile and log guys, log preserves the dynamic range of the captured footage as much as the sensor can handle and encodes it in a gamma curve and color space that are large enough to contain them. So the contrast and saturation are still there. Flat picture profile is merely reduced contrast and saturation image profile which manipulates actual data after it hits the sensor and before it gets recorded so it's not accurate like log. Log isn't some kind of flat picture profile. Please know the difference before spreading false information.
There is a difference you are right, but sometimes shooting log is not the best option because it is too flat. Where a flat picture profile is a nice middle ground between a standard picture profile and log. A flat picture profile does reduce things like contrast, saturation and sharpness in camera, but all can be added back in to the image just the same way you would with log. You could say that a flat picture profile is a good alternative or work around instead of shooting log.
No, you can’t, at least in his example. He’s saying the data is gone, you’d notice this in the details. Unless you know how each camera is using these profiles mathematically there’s no point arguing.
It really depends on what level of production you are shooting. My rule of thumb is: if you don't know if you should shoot in Log, don't shoot in Log. It add extra steps and a new workflow, which if not processed correctly, will look worse than a standard picture profile. If you have a colorist or an experienced DP on the team, they usually want to shoot in Log, but I would vote against it if you don't already have experience with it.
Great video! I'm using the a7s as well, usually shooting in a modified cine4 profile (sort of like the EOSHD pro color). I've always (personally) found log to just take too much time to grade and it ends up looking lackluster to my eyes. . I actually thought something was a bit off on your shot at the 3:00 mark (shot in log then graded). I definitely preferred the more contrasty shots. Thanks for the video!
I was trying to match it to the rest of the presenting footage which was shot in a standard picture profile but had some trouble. Prime example of unnecessarily shooting in log!
Class to hear a North East accent talking cinematography on here!!! I am determined to shoot a cinematic travel vlog on my smartphone (Huawei P30 Pro) but the maximum it shoots in is 8bit colour. Is it worth me using the log options the app I use provides? Or are they largely redundant with the limited tech I've got. Cheers in advance!
You win points for guessing where we are from. I would do some tests in different situation shooting log and non-log. Shooting log with 8-bit does work but it has limitation. Also test how you are going to colour grade the footage once you've filmed it. If non-log has a look you like, shot non-log. Hope this helps.
@@TheFilmLook It does help! Not a tough guess when it's from the same part of the world as me. Not enough NE accents on RU-vid IMHO. Mint channel lads.
What people tend to forget: Shooting a very flat profile like Slog3 with a poor 8bit codec will reduce the variability of colors in the image even more and can lead to crappy skin tones and color blocking. Personally I would choose a drastic Log profile only with a propper Codec and 10bit.
What about picture profiles like Canon Wide DR? It's not quite as flat as Log but it's not as contrasty as Rec. 709. It's nice because it can give you more stops of dynamic range to play with but you're also pretty close to a good final result right in camera.
We use Cine4, which sounds very similar. It all depends on your shooting environment. If you need the comfort of a flat profile because the conditions are harsh (direct sunlight and shadow), go for it!
Great video guys! I myself have been using Cine2 for a while on my Sony a7s/a6500 cause it has more DR in the shadows (IMO). I had a question about zebras. I use it for exposing highlights,. I actually use 94c1 on my Sony. Others on RU-vid Tutorials uses 100 or 100+. My question is How do you know which Zebra threshold to set when using LOG? Thanks guys!
We tend to set zebras to 100+ at all times. It's used exclusively as an over-exposure guide. When we shot in S Log 2 for this video, the zebra readings were the same as a standard picture profile, so I'd take a guess and say the camera can detect the difference between a very light grey and just plain white, so we didn't have any problems with the change.
@@kristicifci5389 rec709 is the television and cinema standard across all cameras. You shoot in log. Use rec709 as a starting point. Then Grade the footage there. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-98McgHAxqBk.html
Sony mirrorless cameras are quite noisy in low light scenes, that's what cinema cameras are for, providing the best latitude in shadows without ruining the footage with noise and of course exposing right always helps.
Great video! it explains with examples and provides sound rationale. One question though - can Log help for color sync? If footage is obtained from two different angles, will the fact that it was shot in Log make any difference over standard when it comes to syncing the color?
If it's shot on the same camera, with the same settings, it should be synced without log. I get where you are coming from though; log will give you a bit more room to finesse the color sync, surely?
the central benefit of log profile is it distributes the stop of light according to how human eye sees it, so the highlight in the image looks wonderful, like how human sees it, supplementing the benefit of more retained information across the extreme both end of the light spectrum, more information in the highlight and the shadow, more hdr.
This is such a fantastic concise channel full of information and basically is a cinematography bible I can’t believe I’ve never found you until now mate Even the ads are super slick and kept me engaged and actually smiled The fucking ice cream van twinkly keys in the back under the music pissed me off
Hi, can you please explain the difference between linear and log? I see in my camera if I upgrade to prores raw I get 12 bit raw linear instead of my current 10 bit log. Not sure which is really better... Linear or log.
Hmm. HDR brightness at the standard camera manufacturer settings is very close to SDR brightness between black and white. What HDR does is capture a much greater range of brightness greater than that reflected off a white test target. This confused me to begin with, but think of shining light bulbs, reflections off chrome bodywork or explosions. By varying the position of 18% mid grey you can choose to capture more detail in the shadows or more in the highlights but the base setting usually gives equal range above and below mid grey. For Canon Log 3 for example mid grey is recommended to be exposed at around 34% IRE.
I am editing in Vegas 14. I am doing it very fast. I am gonna start shoot in CINE4 for better color grading. Now I have find a new soft for editing, cuz vegas suck in CG. I am thinkig about ressolve, grading it's ok, but editing seems hard and not simple as in vegas. Can you recommend something for me?
Without that extra information, you run the risk of creating a poor-looking image, and you can't really pull it around as much as you would like. But we've used Log very sparingly at 8bit when the sun was simply killing the image. But if you can avoid it in 8bit, and instead go for a not-quite-so flat picture profile, you will probs get better results.
Have you ever used false colour before? Using a meter is alright for images shot in RAW, or a general exposure of the image, but sometimes the meter will not take into account a lot of particular things in the image. Something like false colour will help you get certain aspects correct such as skin tone, shadows, and highlights. We have a video on it here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nncazai0Ei4.html
Great video. I hope I'm about to ask this question right, and sorry if it was explained in the video. Currently I'm trying to understand if shooting in a LOG, flat, or specific flat like profile will make it better when you try to add Luts to video. I guess what I'm asking is, will it provide a better post production edit vs if I shoot in Dolby Vision HDR with my iPhone 12, it looks like when I use lots in the HLG input out, they are way different looking. TL:DR should you shoot flat/log if you plan on using an already created lut without much color grading tweaking on my end.
A LUT will usually have a preferred picture profile to shoot with when you apply. So, for instance, let's say we have a LUT called "The Matrix-style Super Mega LUT", in the notes on the LUT, it should tell you if this LUT is built for CineStyle, PicProfile4, S-Log2, S-Log3
I use HLG3 and BT2020. It is easier in the color correction process and color evaluation. It is a good compromise between ease of editing and dynamic range. Slog2 and Slog3 are very complicated to edit and correct ... And then, in low light situations, they produce too much trouble in the shadows ..
Yeah we've had the same issues with Slog 2 as well. Those Phantom LUTs do a great job to getting the image back to normal. I will have a look into HLG3 and BT2020. Thanks for the tip!
@@TheFilmLook Oh no! I think you need a crowd funding campaign, Seed & Spark? Amazon wish list? Ko-fi? Your peeps will help you out. ZCam also has some great options. I appreciate all your videos, thank you.
If your camera has no log feature, I wouldn't even worry. This tends to be because your camera wouldn't have the dynamic-range to utilize a log profile anyway. So you wouldn't really be missing out.
Potentially, but in this case I would shoot with a profile which looks closer to the final product. Rather than finding out later on that you can't get the image you would like.
Seriously, drop the music while explaining stuff. It's driving me nuts. It's distracting from what you have to say. It's not something you need to make your channel cool. Drop it. Stay proffessional when tutoring.
using log profile is simple as clicking the apply of a sony official s-log lut. what is the extra effort, where is the extra cost? just not so smart people having their own not so smart problem.
