Is Filming in LOG worth it? Rec 709 vs Log - Wedding Videography Tips

Подписаться 24 тыс.

Просмотров 6 тыс.

50% 1

Today Im exploring whether or not filming in LOG picture profiles is worth it. Should you film in Rec 709 or LOG and the biggest differences between the two. If you like today's video, hit that like button, subscribe, and let me know in the comments if you are Team Rec 709 or Team Log!
💎 Use Code: WAYWARD75 for 75% off your first edit
www.uncutgems.com
💸 Budget Like The Cool Kids
waywardnorthfilms.com/budget-...
👰🏻‍♀️ Graded With The Unveiled Lut Collection
linktr.ee/waywardnorth
🔉 Enhance Your Films Through Sound
multiply-media.shop/?ref=7mDq...
📓 Book a Mentorship Session
waywardnorthfilms.com/education/
🥳 FREEBIES
▵ Wedding Day Questionnaire - linktr.ee/waywardnorth
▵ Make Cinematic Wedding Films Guide - linktr.ee/waywardnorth
▵ Free LUT - waywardnorthfilms.com/free-lut/
My Wedding Gear List
Audio
▵ Zoom H6 Field Recorder - amzn.to/3ZgFDSs
▵ Tascam DR 10-L - amzn.to/3xxgd3w
▵ Zoom F2 Recorder - amzn.to/3LOdBWb
▵ Tascam DR 10-L Pro - amzn.to/44PBRRc
▵ Tascam DR 10X - amzn.to/3aoBDdh
Camera Rig Accessories
▵SmallRig Cage 2999 - amzn.to/3Ojde85
▵SmallRig Top Handle - amzn.to/3bpPaBV
▵SmallRig Nato Rail - amzn.to/3OnLTl5
▵SmallRig Monitor Mount - amzn.to/3ngd2KU
▵SmallRig Wooden Side Grip - amzn.to/3xNn1w5
▵FeelWorld F6 Plus Field Monitor - amzn.to/3xSMBzI
▵Deity V-Mic D3 Pro - amzn.to/3Ni64iU
Cameras
▵ Sony FX30 - bhpho.to/48d1DSa
▵ Sony A7Siii - amzn.to/3JRwZBU
▵ Sony A7IV - amzn.to/32ujdUn
▵ Lumix GH5 - amzn.to/3zr4C8F
Lighting
▵ Amaran 60X S Bi-Color Light - amzn.to/3PjNNVs
▵ Aputure MC Pro - amzn.to/46eqCD7
▵ Savage Drop Stand Light Stand - bhpho.to/3Pf4Xnb
Adapters
▵ Metabones EF to MFT - amzn.to/3lKSxqi
▵ Metabones EF to Sony E Mount - amzn.to/3riAmLo
Lenses
▵ Sigma 18-35 F1.8 - amzn.to/37sLH05
▵ Sigma 24mm F1.4 - amzn.to/3AmuJwO
▵ Sigma 24-70 2.8 (Sony E Mount) - amzn.to/3ORtu0Q
▵ Sigma 24-70 2.8 (Canon EF) - amzn.to/3Kw6ukl
▵ Sigma 35mm F1.4 - amzn.to/37va8Kc
▵ Sigma 50mm F1.4 - amzn.to/3AjaZtO
▵ Canon 135mm F2 -amzn.to/3yypE45
Support
▵ Manfrotto Monopod - amzn.to/3ri57Qr
▵ Sirui Monopod - amzn.to/2WZCAlu
▵ Manfrotto Tripod - amzn.to/3s0szjo
▵ SmallRig FreeBlazer Tripod - amzn.to/3Lk5tz2
▵ 3Pod Tripod - amzn.to/3rlRjV1
Editing Drives
▵ Samsung T5 SSD 1TB - amzn.to/3EK7qje
▵ Samsung T5 SSD 2 TB - amzn.to/33m1FKH
▵ Sandisk Extreme Portable SSD - amzn.to/30jvgTY
▵ My Backup Drive - amzn.to/3F0yHOB
▵ Backup Solution - amzn.to/30gsnmR
Looking for ways to get beautiful, royalty-free music? Check out Artlist
Artlist - tinyurl.com/artlist001
Looking for cinematic, beautiful stock footage?
Artgrid - tinyurl.com/waywardartgrid
Need professional, easy to use graphics for your videos?
Motion Array - tinyurl.com/waywardmotionarray
Music Licensed by The Music Bed
Sync ID: MB01U4NOS3EQ5VW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
CHAPTERS
0:00 - is log worth it?
2:04 - how to avoid backlog
2:42 - what is REC 709?
3:51 - which profile should you start with?
5:37 - biggest advantages and disadvantages
9:23 - which one should you use?
11:28 - mindset on color
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
* I am required to state that I am a part of Amazon's Affiliate Program, which means that if you purchase any of the products above using my links, It supports this channel by providing a small compensation. Thank you for your continued support of this channel
Say hello on the socials!
Facebook - / waywardnorthfilms
Instagram - / waywardnorthfilms
Website - www.waywardnorthfilms.com

Опубликовано:

23 июл 2024

Ссылка:

Скачать:

Готовим ссылку...

Добавить в:

Мой плейлист

Посмотреть позже

Комментарии : 72

@WaywardNorth 10 месяцев назад

Are you team Rec 709 or team LOG?

@user-oh5ox8gy8p 2 месяца назад

Used to shoot LOG only but lately I've moved to Rec 709 mostly because my gear and location situation has changed. I shoot a camera that doesn't do 10-bit LOG and I shoot in low light situations indoors. I feel that REC 709 is more forgiving in this specific scenario. It's hard to shoot 8-bit LOG in low light and avoid noise. It gets really noisy really fast. Right now I'm happy with REC 709 but if I had the idyllic lighting and gear I would still shoot LOG because overall it's more powerful.

@TheFilmCouple_ 10 месяцев назад

Great video as always! Just found your channel recently :) I love to shoot in Canon Log (1) as it's very easy to grade and is not overly flat, but still gives beautiful 10 bit colour and best dynamic range.

@WaywardNorth 10 месяцев назад

Thanks so much! I did experiment with C-log back when I had the R6 and I was able to get some solid results but one wedding turned out so underexposed that I switched back to a standard profile until I could get more equipped. I love LOG now!

@filmandflourish 10 месяцев назад

Team V-Log here as I shoot on Panasonic. Just started filming everything in Log back in April. Practiced a few days at home. Tried it "live" for the first time at a styled shoot and I haven't looked back since then. There's definitely a refining process to figuring out colors, a new workflow, etc...but it's 1000% worth it. I don't think I'll ever film in a standard profile again haha

@WaywardNorth 10 месяцев назад

Seriously! What’s crazy is I started exploring with Log in 2020 and got frustrated because I could never get it right lol but I’m glad I revisited it because I can’t imagine going back to standard either.

@TheFilmCouple_ 10 месяцев назад

I also shoot VLog (GH5) as our tripod camera on the ceremony (we used Canons for all the moving cameras) and found grading the Log a struggle until I used it with the Ninja V with the LUT to preview the Rec709 colour. I was then able to really get the colour temperature correct for recording and this alone made the grading so much easier. Often Panasonic colour is tricky so if dialed in well initially, the grading becomes much easier I find. GH5 is still awesome today, especially with the Ninja V, I use it with the Olympus 45mm 1.8 prime and get very sharp 4K video during ceremonies.

@JaymesMedia 10 месяцев назад

Love the video. I’m definitely an F-Log2 shooter but sometimes I debate about doing a wedding in Eterna, especially if it’s a small wedding.

@WaywardNorth 10 месяцев назад

Experiment on nature or something other than weddings, ya never know you could find some joy mixing it up!

@JaymesMedia 10 месяцев назад

@@WaywardNorth I asssociate shoot sometimes and the shooter I do it for have me shoot SOOC 😅

@qu1nqu7n 9 месяцев назад

I recently just started color grading earlier this year after getting the A7IV, I found in davinci resolve its pretty easy so far. Rec 709 is cool, but I like Rec. 2100 also more space to tweak a lil bit in the dark/highlights/details.

@enduroacademy 10 месяцев назад

Today I just got an A6700 and experimented with the Slog3... I am super stoked about the fact, that you can upload the lut inside the camera and see the final result on the screen! Super stoked about the footage as well! But man that SD card is filling so quick :D What bitrate do U usually use for let's say 4K60fps? Thank You for the valuable information for free

@WaywardNorth 10 месяцев назад

That is so helpful! Cine EI modes on the FX30 was a game changer and really helped me dial in this new process for me. I am usually filming in the XAVC S 4k 10bt 4:2:2 mode consistently

@aadhivramsundar8805 10 месяцев назад

It depends! For Indian weddings, most our clients want fully edited films for each event so filming in natural on the S5II has just been so much easier! I do love the vlog flexibility tho!

@kilarisarathkumar1214 8 месяцев назад

Yeapp cannot be doing log for 3-4 hour videos 😢

@joeym4090 10 месяцев назад

I started experimenting with log and like you said it takes time to get it where you need it to be but it's fun and I can see the benefits of using it. However, s-cinetone also has its pros ans with some light tweaking can also deliver descent results as long as everything else like proper exposure etc is set correctly from the get-go. I also like Cine2. I know that people seem to have forgotten about it. Such a great profile, especially for indoors and low light. Add a Leeming lut to it and some color correction and it can still be a good PP in 2023. I love your channel. Great job!

@WaywardNorth 10 месяцев назад

Thanks so much! Experimentation is key and finding what works best for you, what gives you the look and style youre going for, I used to use the Cine4 profile back in my A7Sii days

@northlorn 10 месяцев назад

Team LOG all the way for my stuff, even back when I was using 8 bit Sony cameras. I can't speak for Canon or Panasonic cameras, but what I like about my Sony cameras is the Gamma Display Assist function, which applies contrast & saturation to your monitor while filming in LOG so you can get a better idea of what the image will look like when properly converted to Rec709. I also edit using an adjustment layer with a conversion LUT applied so I'm not staring at flat colours the entire time. I like the extra flexibility in post and how forgiving it can be if I don't nail white balance or exposure just right on the day.

@WaywardNorth 10 месяцев назад

Gamma Assist for the win! These tools are so helpful and honestly without them I definitely would be using Rec709 profiles for sure.

@JPLUSLSTUDIOS 9 месяцев назад

Hey, love your films I am curious about your exposure settings. I shoot on FX30 slog 3, where do you keep your zebra levels at and do you shoot with the display lut on? I see you use an external monitor just wondering if it's worth investing in one and using other methods for exposure like false color. I shot at 70 ire in slog3 but not really happy with it..just curious what your settings are at? Thanks!

@WaywardNorth 9 месяцев назад

I tend to follow the exposure compensation meter on the camera and histograms over zebras or false color. I find it’s easier to read and I like to see a potential output of what my image will look like in monitor

@waynosfotos 10 месяцев назад

I shoot everything in log, I have done it for years, it gives you more control but is not easy and takes lots of practice.😊. You don't need to stick to base ISO I change it all the time in log and I can't see any difference on my Canon R3. Yes it may reduce the DR but doesn't affect the grading of the image.

@bjoernfischer 10 месяцев назад

I shot log back in the sony a6500 8 bit days, so on the a7siii with 10 bit, it's like the easiest thing ever to grade that stuff. :D

@WaywardNorth 10 месяцев назад

Oh yeah I remember the 8 bit days. That was no fun lol I’ve been really lovin the process so far!

@ignitedvisuals 10 месяцев назад

Log is best. No doubt. I love s cinetone though. With a few tweaks the end result is great and it saves times. With the amount of work put into a wedding film already I don't prefer the extra step in grading 😅

@Dksupa94 9 месяцев назад

great video! so if I'm understanding correctly, you convert LOG into Rec 709 and then edit the colors to your liking?

@WaywardNorth 9 месяцев назад

Yep that’s correct!

@Kevintrowbridge 9 месяцев назад

Team HYBRID LOG GAMMA HLG3, so many benefits including easier to grade, more dynamic range than Rec709, easier to expose, 10-bit cameras can match 8-bit in one easy CST workflow, grades apply beautifully, and ISO125!

@Benjamin.Greenwood Месяц назад

Team log but still learning lots

@IsaacSuttleFilms 10 месяцев назад

YES. IT IS.

@WaywardNorth 10 месяцев назад

Haha amen!

@jonnylau4472 9 месяцев назад

What are your exposure meter value for Slog 3 in indoor/lowlight? I realized my footages for indoor shots are rather grainy even at the higher base ISO when shooting in Slog (A7IV second base ISO:3200). Do I prioritize exposing correctly (ETTR) or keep to the base ISO for reduced grain? definitely team LOG if I could get this issue solved!

@WaywardNorth 9 месяцев назад

It really depends on the situation but generally if I am on the A7IV or FX30, I sacrifice ISO to exposure the image properly. Even if that means more noise is introduced, this can generally be fixed with NeatVideo Plugin. The other solution is to switch to S-Cinetone for those low lit receptions

@jonnylau4472 9 месяцев назад

Thanks! will try it out. Just wanted to also say thanks for churning out tutorial videos. You're also the inspiration for my recent video shoots! Keep it up! @@WaywardNorth

@Soul_Visuals_Photography 9 месяцев назад

gone down that clog 3 rabbit hole. I’ve tried every conversion LUT available. Bought many too. I’ve tried cinema gamut and bt709. I’ve tried alllll the colour luts too. Those are typical ok. But. I cannot get a look anywhere like I can with out shooting log on my R6 ii and r5. I just LOVE the look right out of camera. It’s super sharp! Love the colours. But, I cannot get a different or my own style look. Every time I shoot in log there’s this like grain, almost like a noise that I see that bothers me so so much. So it’s looking like my next wedding that I’m shooting in two weeks will be shot in a standard picture profile.

@anthonywilliamm 9 месяцев назад

would you recommend shooting in log for 8 bit cameras? and what does s-cinetone mean? is that something u set into a picture profile?

@WaywardNorth 9 месяцев назад

8 bit log can be tricky and give you potential banding or the image falls apart. There are some log profiles designed for 8 bit but I think it’s best to stay with a natural color profile

@anthonywilliamm 9 месяцев назад

how about hlg3? would you recommend it?

@MZPCreations 10 месяцев назад

Cinelike D on the Lumix S5 has been nice. I gotta try log again. Bc I offer a preview snippet for socials within a couple weeks after the wedding, I like that cinelike d profile bc it's easier to grade. But I know to take it up a notch I need to shoot in log lol. But hey at least I'm not shooting in a natural anymore lol😂😂😅

@WaywardNorth 10 месяцев назад

I feel that! Haha I rocked the natural profile on the GH5 for sooo long. I should have experimented more with V-log but I was also shooting 8 bit so that would have been a nightmare lol

@atlaspower6603 10 месяцев назад

Your amazing

@WaywardNorth 10 месяцев назад

You are too kind friend!

@v_stands_for_value124 9 месяцев назад

Fujifilm i camera video film simulations or raw directly, I hate log

@ashstonk 10 месяцев назад

defo team log

@Jonners 10 месяцев назад

Slog3 for me all the way.

@benjamin.kelley 10 месяцев назад

Log all the way Jaired. Clog3 isn't the best, especially for weddings with high dynamic range scenarios, but Clog2 on the Canon C70 is amazing.

@WaywardNorth 10 месяцев назад

Team log for the win! It’s been such a fun experiment.

@tonimaros6943 10 месяцев назад

Is Clog3 on R6 10bit or?

@WaywardNorth 10 месяцев назад

@@tonimaros6943 yes it is

@geetarecipe. 10 месяцев назад

Profile picture more detailing all log

@anamaticfilms7800 10 месяцев назад

I hate log! I use S5 and I shoot cined 2 with extra saturation and in 10 bit. Whenever I need special colour I just put lut on top and it looks very well. As a beginner log give me so much trouble and I just want less headaches.

@WaywardNorth 10 месяцев назад

I feel that! I used to only film in s-Cinetone. Everyone has a process and if you’ve found something that works for you and your couples, no need to mess with it! Totally relate!

@anamaticfilms7800 10 месяцев назад

Agreed! It took a while to find this out. Started with a7iii and it was a nightmare then went for canon and now I use Panasonic. U need to try them!

@Tacuddin 10 месяцев назад

The Cinelike D2 profile is amazing. I found with VLOG even when exposed “correctly” there is still some noise in the shadows and very marginal gain in dynamic range. With other camera brands and profiles it probably makes much more sense to shoot log. But with the lumix s5 cine d2 is perfectly viable.

@lopstream 9 месяцев назад

LOG for sure

@user-ic9nk1ej5m 22 дня назад

S-log in fact is a sales gimmick.Maybe only for perfectly controlled conditions with raw records.For 99% of the time it is an impractical profile making any benefits insignificant compared to cine4 or s-cinetone.

@calebenson2543 10 месяцев назад

How much do you usually over expose when you shoot in log?

@WaywardNorth 10 месяцев назад

I find that 1.3 to 1.7 is the “sweet spot”

@calebenson2543 10 месяцев назад

@@WaywardNorth got it, appreciate it! One more question.. been watching your videos like crazy so head is spinning 😂, do you like to shoot at your lowest iso or the second high iso number?

@dignon38 10 месяцев назад

@@calebenson2543I shoot on Sony A7Siii and FX6. If indoor, I shoot highest native ISO and outdoor shoot lowest native ISO. Keeps it simple for me and hasn’t failed me yet. I’m team LOG btw. I never shoot S-Cinetone. It’s quick and easy to use CST in Resolve and then LUT it.

@WaywardNorth 10 месяцев назад

@@calebenson2543 It definitely depends on the lighting conditions indoors but usually I am at the high iso indoors and low iso outdoors! haha I know it can be information overload but just take it one step at a time

@calebenson2543 10 месяцев назад

@@WaywardNorth appreciate it! Do you shoot in S-log 2 or 3?

@keryandras 10 месяцев назад

Wait till you work with RAW :) BRAW is just something else!

@WaywardNorth 10 месяцев назад

Ohhh yeah crazy difference. I’ve worked with BRAW once and it was crazyyyy and then back in the C200 days with cinema raw lite. My computer was fighting for its life lol

@keryandras 10 месяцев назад

@@WaywardNorth Well, BRAW is very light on resources, you only need to make sure to store it on a fast SSD. I'm not familiar with Canon RAW.

@bigwinmedia5100 10 месяцев назад

I actually think 10 bit SLOG3 is harder for a second shooter to screw up than S-cinetone . I've had some N00B second shooters (like my wife) and all their shots were very recoverable if off, but I still blow out some highlights on non-log profiles from time to time. (When I associate shoot and they don't want Log) It's just so much more forgiving. 8bit Slog2 on the other hand 😬

@richardnayfilms2812 10 месяцев назад

this. 100000%. It’s SUCH A MYTH that Log is harder. Literally shooting a standard profile is about the hardest thing in the world when I have to like you 😅

@WaywardNorth 10 месяцев назад

That makes sense too! I guess it also depends on experience level overall, what tools you give them for success (I.e. monitors with lut support, log assist features, etc.) I know on the Sonys I’ve accidentally switched to the wrong ISO for a few shots before noticing and the image was totally useable. 10 bit log and all the tools we have to film in this profile definitely makes it a lot less intimidating 💪