@Kase Trey exactly i fucking hate it when losers like that have this sick demented fetish for having blood related children when there are so many damn kids in the world who would do anything for a loving home with parents. Adoption is the only answer people need to stop giving birth to kids they never planned on having.
No, they dont, people like you assume they know better that literal doctors & think theyll actually do something like just put a uterus even tho we all agree it wouldnt work. So obviously that's not what theyd do.
@mister_midnight189 he was talking about how, at this time, it cant be done and that the doctor is attempting it. Not that it cant ever be done. Honestly I dont think it will make the woman able to give birth, but it will at least be great for gender affirming care (for those who can afford it cause WOOF transplants of any kind are expensive) If Im planning on removing my ability to have children, Id love to donate my uterus to science. If they can make viable pregnancies, Id be happy to give another woman the ability that I didnt want in the first place. And no periods!
This is the type of surgery that annoys me because people still dying because they can't access medical care. Apparently we don't have enough staff for life saving surgery but we have the resources to do this.
You said it. I am annoyed that we are focusing on more topical surgeries instead of focusing on the big ones. Like curing Alzheimer’s or cancer. Those are crazy hard on people and yet others want people to dedicate time and money to changing their gender due to preference? Look, I would LOVE to be a man but I was born this way. I am a Tom boy and i love boy stuff but I am not trying to transition. It just annoys me that we are focusing on the small stuff
You’re right, we should have free universal healthcare for everyone without exception, a free universal access to education at all levels to make more doctors, and guaranteed access to food and shelter so no one is suffering or getting sicker from a lack of access to something that the world has an abundance of.
These surgeries are not minor and unimportant for people's lives, these surgeries are literally life-saving to some trans people. Trans suicide rate is exceptionally high and it is statistically proven that gender-affirming medical care vastly reduces suicide rate. Depriving trans people of medical care because it seems *too trivial* to you is literally signing the death warrant for people.
@@jessicamcglaughlin9152 Trust me, cancer and alzheimers research has FAR more medical professionals in those fields and FAR more money/resources, we are not focusing on the small stuff at all. "Due to a preference" is SO misinformed. Trans people do not choose to be trans and it's not a preference, it is also far from a small thing for trans people given that suicide rate is exceptionally high. Trans health care saves lives statistically.
Fuckin same dude. I've discovered there are four types of comments in this comment thread. 1) people fully supporting the idea 2) people fully against the idea and calling anyone involved monsters 3) infertile women professing their "boo hoo poor me", like we haven't spent the last hundred years and billions of dollars researching female fertility. 4) and finally the me and you's.
I knew exactly what I was getting into, lol. I have a day with nothing to do. I happen to be a biological woman with a child just trying to share the facts with others who may not be aware of what happens during pregnancy. I'm not even taking a political stance here and don't really mind whose side anyone is one. I just wanted to state some facts today. Though the one opinion I do state is that I feel that it is selfish. So that is an opinion- not a fact.😄
@@commandershepard4235 Im in the: How would that even work anatomically?? Would that even be safe for her if we sorted out the hormones etc?? Like with our current technology and medicine it does not seem plausible to end well for any mtf trans women who want to get the surgery done
Well if this is possible, the trans woman would only be able to do a c section. There is no way she could deliver vaginally. And they have to do c section with epidural. So no, the question will never be answered in that way 😅 But I could tell you the answer, think you know already tho lmfao.
Most of women want to have another baby, even after they experienced horrendous pain during delivery. On the other hand, I have never heard a guy ask for another kick in the balls. I hope that helps. Just to make clear and avoid polemical responses, this is a joke.*
@@ElMizuki women are designed to forget the pain of giving birth so that they will continue to reproduce, so that doesn't matter at all lmao, and I could tell you plenty of men who would gladly take a kick to the balls if it meant they could have a kid smh 😒
You need a uterus, ovaries, Hypothalamic-Pituitary- Ovarian axis. Pitocin, oxytocin etc…. It talks a whole lot of chemistry and biology to make and carry a pregnancy to term successfully
@@1833-j4g yes many hormones are found in men and women in significantly varying quantities, but it takes all of these ingredients and more to work symbiotically to make and carry a baby to term. REAL WOMEN with all of the parts and ingredients sometimes have difficulties. Medical science can’t help infertile REAL women 100% of the time. Now they want to try to help the build a chic 🤦🏾♀️ ok
The pelvic region in a woman is able to expand during pregnancy. And it's shaped different to allow for the baby to fit. Multiple hormones work together in a pregnancy.
Yes there a separation of the pubic bones a joint called the pubic symphysis and with pregnancy the hormones allow this area to soften and stretch to allow a baby to pass through. I really don’t know if they could artificially make it happen. But if a man ever succeeds in getting and carrying a pregnancy I bet they might give birth once but never again. Why? You ask because they are pretty big babies about pain. Women have had years of period cramps to get used to having that horrible pelvic pain but I can’t imagine a man doing it more than once. My husband would faint at the sight of blood especially his own. He was a huge big baby about any illness. I would kind of like to see it happen because I think it would be Justice. Men make lousy mothers too because they were never supposed to be.
@@patriciasmith7074 Maybe men would actually feel less pain with this one because their nervous system isn't really wired to have a womb. Though the other pains of pregnancy, like back pain etc would still be present I guess
@@godhateseveryonewhodoesntr5977 Yes you have a point! But the pubic bone didn’t cause pain on me, it only made me walk funny, kind of like a duck waddles. It was embarrassing to me because my mother was always so critical of the way I walked liked my dad’s big sister and mom thought his sister walked unladylike. So here I was feeling ugly and fat and we went to a formal dance and my mother looked gorgeous in a blue velvet dress and I was clumsy and fatter than my mom and she made me feel ugly but I was pregnant with my daughter which I was thrilled about having a baby. Way back then they didn’t know the sex of your baby till it was born. It didn’t help because my stupid husband told me how great my mother looked that night. I had done her hair and makeup and made her look fabulous and everybody raved at how beautiful she was. Pretty hard for a young first time pregnant young married woman to hear how gorgeous her mother is!
@@patriciasmith7074Jus be happy you are pregnant....some women have a hard time conceiving and having healthy babies...your family sounds toxic....I'm sorry....
@@honeybadgerknockoutbadgers9642 Yes my mom didn’t love me because my conception made her get married at 17. She always claimed she didn’t know that act resulted in a pregnancy and her mom was a widow with two other daughters so her mom found out she was pregnant and said get married now. Luckily my dad was a good guy and he loved her and wasn’t opposed to the idea. He had just come home from WWII. She only really wanted her two boys. I knew I wasn’t important to her so I was glad to get married and move out. I tried to win her over but she never changed. So I gave up trying.
you know that before puberty, the male and female pelvis are identical right? its that the estrogen in the females body morphs the bones while they are still able to be shaped (until roughly the age of 25). Its the same reason men have broader shoulder bones.
Most people are immediately like going transphobic on this which sucks. But like if he does it, it would be a literal medical break through. If you could do it with trans women fully. Then you should be able to apply some of the process to infertile women
@@unimunoz1159 the process has already been applied to an infertile woman if i am not mistaken, it worked. but really the only reason most people would get it is because of the influence of transphobia, “you dont have a uterus and cant get pregnant!” its risky but someone might be so fed up with this shit that they wont be clear headed.
Well, starting hormones replacement therapy and hormone blockers early on while the bones are still developing would solve that. Also there are people who are intersex. Aaaaaand every body is different. Im not a doctor, so id leave it up to them to assess risks.
I think you could bypass that -- C-sections already exist. I feel like issues like hormone and chemical balances and signals would be a much bigger issue. Getting a uterus in without it rejecting seems like the start of an uphill battle tho, u right about that Edit: y'all stop coming at me. I stated that my opinion that getting the hormones and chemical pathways right are wwaaaaayyy more difficult to overcome than the physical parts of such a procedure, like bone modification or the insertion of a uterus. I'm not saying "teehee no problem bones are easy peasy." Im saying doctors don't even know all the chemical intricacies of what's going on in bio women's reproductive systems. Much less during pregnancy. How tf are they gonna replicate it in a trans woman.
I think it would be a c section, because they remove the uterus after the pregnancy, too. At least when they do a uterus transplant for a cis woman that's what they do
Not really. While hip bones can be used *with other factors* to help determine sex of a skeleton there's plenty of overlap between male and female humans. If you'd need to do surgery on most males to give birth a very large % of females would also need surgery. Like a third.
@@nhehe10 the doctors who think they can do it defenitly have some major problem and shouldnt even try it, much like the doctors who do sex change opperations on kids
I'm reading a lot of uninformed nonsense around here. Correct an cis man is not going to give birth. He has the wrong hormones. Trans women are given the correct hormones. A uterus transplant with ovaries if that ever becomes possible. Is not just for pregnancy. But it could allow a trans fem person to discontinue HRT. Weather a pregnancy is advisable is between them and their doctor. Many cis women are advised aginst giving birth for a myriad of reasons. It's a step of scientific progress. It should be applauded.
@@iamthebean940 people get C sections for a miriad of reasons, not just one.... Do your.... Basic human.... Thinking???? What do i even say here you're just delusional
At least in my country, adoption is not legally possible for anyone that isn't a heterosexual couple. Even in a homosexual couple, you can't be legally recognized as the parent of your partner's biological children, which means that if something were to happen to the kid's biological parent, you would have to engage a long legal battle in order to keep caring for them. It sucks. It would be awesome if everyone could apply to take kids out of the system, but taking a look at the current situation, I can't blame anyone that chooses extreme measures in order to have a biological child
@@bleachnbones7107 In the US even if you were able to get through the massively strenuous and difficult process of adoption, adopting a single child generally starts at around $35,000 (and thats not counting all the actual costs to actually adopting a child and beginning to care for them, thats just the fees). It's pretty impossible for the average person to be able to do.
Men can breast feed… doesn’t mean their bodies won’t adapt to produce life in a uterus… that’s the beauty of humans. Have you looked at nature? Ever heard of a clown fish? We’re connected wether you like it, or not. That’s why our bodies are represented in nature, and some animals are homosexual. ✨Nature✨
Just because we *can* attempt something scientifically, doesn't always mean we should try. In this case I wouldn't suggest it's transphobic to say that... Trans people going through multiple surgical procedures are already facing enough of a health risk. After all those elements, why risk losing your life for the pursuit of something that at this point in the debate shouldn't have to validate your gender? Trans healthcare should be a specific and much further funded/researched field of medicine.
Frankly with all of the more dystopian technology that exists at this point I think letting trans women finally birth their own kids is a beautiful and valid use of it. We live in a world where we rot our brains with social media and put creatives out of a job with AI. Letting consenting adults attempt a risky affirmation surgery is the least harmful thing we've done to society in decades. Let them try.
@@melynn_0355no u couldnt why do you think the only differenc men and women have is in body? We literally have different fucking chromosomes a man has YX and a woman has XX lets say somehow a man get a uterus and another man wants to make a baby with him Do you know what kind of a mutated freak a YY chromosome creature could look like???? It would be basically dead within minutes of being out Fucking delusional people not knowing about biology
I am AFAB non binary and I think a big part of it is that these trans women don't want a uterus to prove their gender, but rather because they want to be able to actually grow a baby in their own body. I myself would rather work with surrogates or adoption (periods are painful enough already), but I do understand and have seen just how much pride and joy it gives people to carry a baby themselves. Maybe that's a fundamental part of the female experience that trans women long for. I agree that just because we can do something, doesn't mean we should. But I think that this is something that we should be able to at least try. And while I think that it's gonna take a while before we get there, I do believe that we will eventually be able to successfully do this. Though I do believe we will need substantially more research into the differences between female and male biology as well as female biology and medicine in general to make it happen. Who knows, maybe it will lead to new discoveries that can help cis women and non binary people as well. Maybe it'll lead to better knowledge about pregnancy, anticonception and better solutions for stopping periods. Maybe it'll lead to better understanding of medical issues people have in the womb. Maybe it'll lead to better knowledge and understanding of how to do other transplants.
The problems arise more with actual pregnancy as there is a very specific and needed hormonal process involved that requires the ovaries and the brain, not just the uterus. Certain hormones are produced at specific times to ensure that a fetus can actually develop and go to term. And the complex muscle contractions and hormones released to cause said contractions. Its a delicate process of balance and timing. If ever this can be achieved it will be incredibly innovative, but at the same time the whole process would be incredibly complicated. Edit: To clarify I am not against the research, I'm just worried about the people who want to be the test subjects for this kind of thing. It is a LOT to go through and it needs to be studied extensively. Transplants are already a huge risk to the body. Transplanting an organ as complicated as a full female reproductive system adds so much more to the complexity. Trying to make it function as intended is even more complex. You need so many different neural, endocrine, and exocrine parts to work correctly, and it has to be in perfect balance.
i feel similarly; It isn't as easy as just slapping the thing into a male, but if someone thinks out all of the resulting issues and questions, and it, yknow, works..? Honestly, i'd be ultimately impressed.
Yeah, that's my main concern as well. I wish trans women could carry their own children like cis women but pregnancy is such a complicated and delicate thing. I don't know if anything like an artificial uterus (alongside the hormones) can ever be made. I hope trans women will have an option like that in the future but the way science is now (and how unsupported trans people are) I don't know how long it will take.
@@pixelatra_ As one myself & a bit of a science nerd I have no doubt that conditions for an “artificial” pregnancy can be made in the future esp with how science has developed technologies like cloning, I don’t feel the need for it myself however it is a really interesting thought to me
@@prestonbruchmiller497doesn't matter no such thing as a man turning into a woman. It's hilarious that technology needs to be inserted into the argument to implement the notion that yes it's not possible for woman to be men.
Actually the main problem is body chemistry. A male body isn't designed to support a uterus no matter how many hormones you give them. Womens bodies literally have so many systems that support the uterus, from our digestive and endocrine systems to pituitary glands, and separate functions in the brain. All of those things are literally designed in women to support the uterus and child birth. If you can't rewire those systems in a man, then the body will always reject the organ.
There is a lot of things a womans body and immune systems are doing during a pregnancy, the hormonal phone is adjusted very carefully by the body itself. Even if he succeeds implanting the uterus, and somehow we put someone's impregnated egg in there, the poor fetus will not be able to develop into a normal child. It's insane.
@@ami.2327 i don't think It can be called an organ, it is more of endo-layer of epithelial actually formed just to provide nutrition, an organ is a group of tissues, but placenta is not a complete tissue it is more of cytosolic-group of cells
@@heheboi9823 Please do your research. Placenta is a group of tissues, thus called an organ. Cytosol is the liquid matrix found inside cells. Placenta is not a liquid substance. If you haven't seen one, please Google it.
@@heheboi9823 Also, it does all the work of lungs, liver, kidneys etc. It not just provides the baby with oxygen and nutrients but also removes waste and carbon dioxide from the baby. It also produces hormones that help the baby grow. It's an organ that detaches itself from the uterus after the baby gets out of the same.
Everyone's saying "You don't just need a Uterus to get pregnant!" as if this doctor doesn't know that and all the other stuff needed is probably where a big chunk of the challenge comes from
@@nono_noxx most likely they havent and all they are trying to do is be the first to do it to get fame and not giving a fuck about the complications it will bring to their testsubject.
@@gurgangurganstumph7172they're trying to be the first to successfully do it. If you actually watched the short, youll hear that its already been done before but unsuccessfully
The entire human society is a struggle against nature, technology is not natural,your phone is not natural, cars are not natural, our institutions are not natural, language is not natural, medicine is not natural etc. To stop "playing" with nature is an insult to the things human society has done.
Yes and it's incredibly evident. What an evil selfish doctor. Not to mention it still doesn't make that man a Woman. They naturally born man is going to be a man forever no matter how many hormones they're pumped with or surgeries they're sliced and diced with
As someone who has lots of trans woman friends and coworkers they are not at all interested in risking their lives like this for something so dangerous. It’s horrendous how some doctors and scientists use the community as a experimental field and not human beings. It’s not the first time.
Yeah, but so is transplanting it to another woman. Personally I don't get peoples need to biologically reproduce, but the force do be strong for some people. And for them it's worth it
@@za.monolit Well I don't feel it. I want children, but no biological ones and I do not get how people specifically want their children to be biological. Like, obv I know that that's a thing, I just don't understand it
@@Maura237 uterus can be implanted in a women with defected uterus bc she already had one at that place they just have to remove one and add another where tf are they gonna add in a man and the difference between angles of pelvic bones in males and females makes it more complicated
@@Maura237 people want biological child bcz it's their own blood their own bloodline continues I belongs to a dynasty that rules North india for around 120+ years why I wanna end my royal bloodline?
A woman's body goes through immense changes during pregnancy. Just getting a uterus stuffed into your abdomen isn't enough to prepare your body for what happens during pregnancy. The hormonal changes that are required to sustain the life of that child are insane. Not to mention the physiological changes that occur that the female body is literally made to endure. This experiment if so incredibly selfish. It's not just their life they are endangering. They would be endangering the life of the child they would be attempting to carry. It's like when trans women try lactating. Their bodies are literally not made to produce the nutrition required to sustain a baby. I'm not trying to be mean- I'm being factual here. Just let a biological woman carry the baby. It's safer for all parties involved. Stop trying to do something that your body quite literally cannot do. Your bones are not made to move the way women's bones are during child birth. Just let it go and be happy with all the other changes that can be done to your body. This is ridiculous.
Yes this was just a small clip from the podcast but there are numerous hormonal; anatomical and ethical obstacles to consider which makes this very unlikely in the near future anyway
If they manage to transplant a healthy functional uterus . It would take decades before they would be able to successfully transplant uterus and keep it healthy in more cases than just a few . If that transplantation surgery becomes and relative success in majority cases and depending of how that changes the body and every thing else then the next step is to see if an IVF would be viable. They wouldn’t just implant a fetus without all of that first . So it’ll take quite some time for that to happen .
Even if he could make it work, I think the only way that woman could give birth would be through a c-section… unless they found a way to modify that pelvis
It'd have to be through c section. That kind of breaks that a pelvis would need to widen the male form enough would make it break under the muscle strain contractions give. I also wonder how contractions would work given the differences in body
@@therealzizmon1748 SRS is more focused on aesthetics. Of course there is functionality for intercourse, but that does not mean there is the same level of functionality for giving birth. We don't even have the technology/ability to transfer a fetus and the womb right now, there's no way we could surgically create all of the biological necessities for vaginal birth essentially from scratch.
Unfortunately a c-section would be the least of their worries. The female pelvis widens over the course of the pregnancy to allow for the increase in size and weight of the uterus as the child grows. So IF they would even physically able to carry the child to term then yes, a c-section would be required. But I HIGHLY doubt it would get that far. They would literally end up being unable to walk. Have you ever seen the pregnant waddle that women do later in their pregnancy, that's because of the size and weight of the uterus and the widening of their pelvis altering their gait. The male body would probably be on bedrest the entire pregnancy and unable to sit up.
@@DarkFlamesDarkness Male and female bodies are so incredibly different, males do not have the foundation for a uterus and especially not to become pregnant
@@babs_babsGet help, please. You cannot trust your mind anymore. It is not functioning properly, and you’re going to get worse unless you receive intensive mental treatment. Please please please save yourself. You still seem to be functional enough to type, so please get the help you desperately need.
This is 100% correct if all you need is a healthy uterus and a few hormones why do woman have miscarriages. I had one in 2021 and it was the worst day of my life. I did everything right took vitamins stopped eating all the things I was not supposed to and drinking the things I was not supposed to also didn't take any medication but the prenatal vitamins. So these people that just say yeah they just need to take the hormones that they need and they will have a healthy pregnancy. I am a female and I did all the things I was supposed to do for my baby during my pregnancy. I have all the equipment for a healthy pregnancy. Then why is my son not in my arms? I have my uterus and the hormones, if those are the only things for a successful pregnancy tell me what happened because I would like to know.
@@zugetzuzuit's not just for the delivery part. Our hips and joints get wider and wider under the effect of the hormone called relaxin as the fetus is growing. That's why we have "round ligament pain". But that's not a problem, I suppose we can synthesize relaxin to expand a man's pelvic bone. However, I don't know how they'll increase blood volume and lung capacity as those are essential mechanisms to sustain a pregnancy. It's not just about the uterus. It's the whole body that needs to adapt. We'll see.
@zugetzuzu why do ppl do so much to live in a fantasy, we laugh at ppl who think they are dogs, how are they any different. Both truly believe they are qhat they think, both have zero genetic makeup to indicate they are. I know there are some actual androgynous ppl but they are such a very very tiny fraction of ppl and they generally just go with the gender they have the genetalia for.
Thinking about the pelvic pain I experienced throughout all of my pregnancies because my pelvis had to open and shift to accommodate a growing uterus and baby. How exactly will a male body accommodate that drastic change even if the transplant is successful?
@@PigInATreepresumably, the man that got the uterus didn't have one in the first place so how exactly would he heal the same way a pregnant women can? Have ever even look at both a man and a women's sexual reproductive system? I don't think you understand the vast differences between them. But I mean hey, people that try this are only dying of it right so it doesn't really matter that much. I thought it was wrong to use people as guinea pig? I guess not 🤷♂️
@@PigInATreemale and female pelvises are completely different shapes. It's how scientists and archiologists tell male and female skeletons apart. Having a baby there creates an immense amount of pressure on the pelvis that the AMAB body just isn't designed to endure.
@@PigInATree biologically female bodies are literally designed for child birthing. This is why a male and female can be distinguished by the pelvic bone. So yeah transplant the uterus but the pelvic bone isnt designed to open like that in a man so they would need a C section for birthing i assume
I don't even know how to react to that! I get it for women who have uterus issues, but so many things beside a uterus is needed and even some women can't take that type of shock to the body (like all transplant surgeries). I get it some want that transition, but we are barely doing this for women - See if this works first! There is so much about women's bodies that some male doctors don't get! I know I have had a couple that thought menstrual cramps were nothing and women who are pregnant just want special treatment! I hope they don't say that to their wives and daughters!
Fairly common issue also for cis women. I am more concerned about the hormonal changes that ebbs and flows during a pregnancy, and how we could mimic that sufficiently well. Hormonal issues is even a problem for quite a few cis women that miscarries, and throw in HRT? It becomes complicated. Incredibly interesting on many levels, but complicated. I suspect that for the foreseeable future, the most realistic way trans people can be parents is by a trans woman contribute with sperm cells, trans men contribute with egg cells, and then either the trans man manages to partially de-transition, or they use a surrogate. That said, most trans people I know would be more than willing to adopt instead of going through this mess.
I mean, yes and no. Bone structure, while generally being different between male and female anatomy, also differs between every person individually. I don't know the numbers, but there probably have been women with very small pelvic bones who have given birth. Just in general, it would be a huge leap in the medical world if it can be achieved
@@BigMac4141 definitely not saying it's very likely, but it is possible. Maybe that's what's needed for the first one to succeed? Ah well, I'm not a doctor at all, so I really can't speak too much on this.
Afair, I think early supercars were actually car/airplane engines on a bicycle. Wooden frame, thin tires, and very very aerodynamic body panels because of how inneficient early engines are. Please, PLEASE, CMIIW, though.
as a trans girl, I planned to adopt even before I accepted myself for who I am. My parents fostered and one of my friends was an orphan. I've heard about how shitty the system is/can be, and I'd feel better if I can get even one kid freed from it.
@@AliceMGTFoster care in general is not horrendous. I don’t know why people are labelling it as such. It is the chances of the child being adopted by an abuser that people should be concerned about.
@@enigmence it's less about the concept and more about the system itself. on paper "kids without families get a family" sounds absolutely amazing, but as you pointed out, there's a lot about it that could be problematic.
Well, adopting is not a bad option, but some people are rich and own blood is own blood is the concept. But most people do adopt. But the process of pregnancy is what most people look forward to, the happiness and this is exactly the difference
Yes. The blood supply alone is increased 45-50 procent during pregnancy plus hundreds of other factors. It's a really really long shot to make this possible.
Isn’t that true for any surgery then? Heart transplant or eye surgeries (cornea transplant ) or life saving stent placements and kidney and liver transplants? Isn’t that considered playing god ?
@@princetonis2realIt kinda is. Imagine telling Julius Caeser that you can just take out an organ and then put another in without killing him. He'd start worshipping you
I'm so concerned about what success will even look like. I'm all for being your authentic true self but who will take responsibility for complications.
@@mohamadtoriquekhan9697 this is posed like it is a new issue, but it really is not. They have already said uterine transplant has been successful in cis women. Were you there worrying about the liability for complications then? Or do you feel okay with it because it's succeeded a couple times? Do you go and research medical liability laws? Common law liabilities? Or do you sit there and postulate about an issue because you don't know how it works? This isn't a jab at you, but I guess a bit of information to help digest new situations like this. In truth, this will be treated like any other surgery. The dr and hospital take on a level of liability, having a dr patient relationship. Firstly, they must adequately inform the patient of risks, complications, procedures, and expectations. They must act within ethical obligations of their certification board. That probably means, among other things, not acting out of self interest, not aiming to reduce the quality of life of a patient, acting in the patient's interests safely in the circumstances, and properly informing themselves of all necessary medical literature and training in order to make this as safe as possible. They likely also have to have the hospital they work at sign off on the surgery, especially being such a new situation to perform this procedure. Their patient probably has to undergo several general referrals, psych referrals, significant testing, and counselling to make this decision. They also have to pay out of pocket for this to go ahead. In the end, patient also has to sign legal documentation acknowledging they understand the situation they are in, and are accepting a degree of risk. This DOES NOT mean the dr/hospital incur no liability (as tv would have you believe) , but that the Dr/Hospital are only liable for mistakes/errors/misjudgments that they themselves make, as the patient is very aware of what information is available, and has asked to receive this procedure despite all of that.
@@mohamadtoriquekhan9697 in comparison, I could wake up tomorrow and fuck up my life so much faster, and so much cheaper, if I so wished. I would not need one, let alone 2, 3, or 4 psych referrals to do so. No one in this situation is wandering into it blind of the risks, or intending harm. It is a very careful decision, that, at the end of everything, everyone agreed would be worth it
I'm guessing they'd have to have a caesarean section. Ethically this is wrong - not just the danger to the trans person but also to any subsequent baby.
I think there is an ethical concern on the sourcing of these uterus. Like older women’s uterus are going to have scar tissue. This mean younger women uterus are going to be needed leaves open for more human trafficking. And if a cis woman and a transwoman are both on a waiting list. The viability of a successful uterus transplant will always lie with a cis woman. Also a uterus transplant can only be used once. Meaning if they wanted multiple children they need multiple uterus transplants. Not to mention this surgery is unsuccessful in most cis women.
The transplant isn't all you would need. You would need ovaries assuming they aren't using IVF, an entire circulatory system overhaul to provide proper nutrients, a change in quite a few other organs, a complete hormonal change the likes of which we have never seen or dreamed of, and to top it all off they would need their skeletal structure altered in order to give birth. That is just the few issues I can think of and those "few" are extremely major things. There are likely countless other things. It will likely never be possible and I can say that with almost absolute certainty. It would kill anybody who attempted all those changes, or it would take so long it wouldn't be safe anymore to go through with pregnancy and birth.
@@watashinihayumegaarimasu7609 that is essentially what it is yes. So either you go step by step in that process somehow or you somehow magically do it all at once.
@@TheMilkMan8008 transgender people already take hormones, also if they are able to transfer a literal working uterus I highly doubt we won’t be able to change bone structure, which we already have and do today with surgeries.and they are massively successful.
All jokes aside, the main problem beyond rejection is bone structure. The female pelvis is designed to be more wider and flexible than a man’s to aid childbirth. Male pelvis’s are more rigid for speed and strength. You can’t change bones without damaging the structural integrity
@@FormaxLtof course , how could a man be completely be changed to women , men's anatomy is way different from women in terms of reproduction. Bones structures , skin etc I think it's understandable 🙂
I love how he's not transphobic just concerned as hell for whoever receives this surgery tf are these replies guys please stop nahh actually this is 2 months old stop
Trans people already receive HRT (hormone therapy ) and transplant of external sexual organs in their teens . This makes their body feminine (wider pelvis and fat deposits in the feminine areas and a softer body type ) . If they successful in transplanting a uterus and are successfully able to maintain the uterus using hormone therapy and make it possible to have periods . Then the next step would be to try IVF implant. It’ll take a long time for that to happen but with the range science is going ahead , it might happen one day in the future.
@@avk94 these are synthetic hormones though ?? Sounds like Frankenstein’s monster being created Personally I don’t think we should mess with nature Setting people up for a big fall IMO
@@galileoandthecrystalgatc1915 pregnancy isn't just about uterus,pelvic bone or hormone.its about the entire body system.during pregnancy,there is specific hormones involves, which even some women cannot produce enough and still hv problems.amd man immune system are stronger than woman,which can rejecting the baby inside the body.woman's entire body system are made for carrying a child.if all it takes is uterus,hormonenand hip bones to have a baby,no woman will be infertile,they just had to insert uterus or hormones to make it work.but no... carrying a child to full term needs an entire body system to work.even diabetes can affect a baby..so many things had to be taken care of..so now you know,getting own child is a sacrifices,many things had to be done,even by someone who naturally born as woman who actually had correct reproductive organs and hormones
@@galileoandthecrystalgatc1915 the thing is that doesn't help. The woman body has a lot of changes made to carry a pregnancy, even if you add hormones, the immune system can just reject the baby or the female genitals implanted don't work because, guess what, they're controlled by a small gland at the base of the brain and even with hormones and all that, the possibility of doing that and dying are high, almost guaranteed
@@methane5211 Exactly! I highly doubt that humanity will every be able to tailor a man's body to work even similar to a woman's during the process of sexual intercourse, fertilization, pregnancy and child birth. Women are more complex than a set of hormones and a organ that's not even yours. I'm not saying im an expert on biology, but you don't exactly have to be a scholar to know common sense holy he*l.
It doesn’t necessarily need to be used for transwomen. It can benefit ciswomen who have fertility issues. I would be willing to donate a uterus and I think other women who want to be childless would be willing as well.
please say what you think instead making vague statements. who are the common sensers and what's their stance? who are the smooth brains and what's their stance?
@mohammad alomari in many countries, it is either illegal or impossible for same sex couples to adopt. In most cases, it is easier faster and cheaper to find a serogate womb or sperm donor. Even for cis straight couples, it can be impossible to adopt a child.
@@burntmarvmallow141 but in those countries don't you think it'll be illegal to have this surgery. Why is this necessary is the point to try and erase women altogether?
@K.Snow How is a random person getting a womb transplant erasing women? The way many people define a women these days actually excludes some of the cis women you are trying to protect. Not all women can have children naturally, not all women have wombs, not all women have XX chromosomes.
What confuses me the most is all that would go into carrying the child. Without ovaries, they wouldn’t be able to produce an egg to be fertilized. So, presumably, they’d have to get the egg from someone else and hope that it implants after fertilization. The only thing they’d be able to do is carry, which is already known to have a tremendous toll on the human body. If they can’t produce all the hormones required to keep the baby, they’d have to manually take them. I cannot imagine the kind of stress that would cause, knowing that missing a dosage could potentially kill their baby. And even if they were to carry their baby to term, they’d most likely have to get a c-section which is also a very traumatic procedure. There’s so much that could go wrong and the transplant is risky. Even if it were possible, I can’t only imagine the cost. And even after all that, there’s no guarantee of implantation. If they had the money for the surgery, survived the surgery, still had money for an egg donor, and have enough money to afford all the necessary hormones just to see that the egg did not implant. Well, that would be very very depressing
Not only this you have to think about their bodies attacking the uterus and or (if they make it to this stage) the baby. Their body will look at these things a foreign object and will try to rid the body of it.
@@Chocolatebuttacupoet You'd have to take whatever that antirejection medication is called that people have to take when they get other types on implants, but odds are it's not gonna be healthy for the baby and mighr kill it anyway.you're supposed to check women for pregnancy before operating on them because there's so much that has to be avoided to ensure the baby survives. These trans people talk about pregnancies as if what they desire wont cause innocent lives to be lost over mere delusion.
& why shouldnt they? The ability to create new human life even in the face of next to total extinction sounds like a pretty useful scientific venture to me. Even many stories written about it.
@@DarkFlamesDarkness First of all, this is alteration, not creation. There are experiments done to have more and more of a pregnancy done in an artificial womb outside of a living being (if I recall correctly mostly on sheep), along with fertilization that would be more akin to creating life and could safe several severe pregnancy complications in the future. Gender reassignement surgery and using womb transplants for it are very different, we don't even have the endocrinology of humans or mammals in general completely mapped out and are not at a point in surgical technology (although that might be rather reachable) to tend to that many nerves and vessels and most of all the serose skin and ligaments holding organs in place. Female to female uterus transplantations are still an extremely dangerous, experimental operation and some already want to skip ahead to the next step and do female to male transplants? Sounds a bit too ahead of its time to me. Also I just have a different view about extinction events, but that's rather a philosophical discussion. I guess that's often the problem in discussions, people disagree with each other and everyone has almost flawless logic, but they still can't agree since the underlying assumptions about life are vastly different. I don't expect humanity to last forever, I think it's important to try to accept that everything that is will someday not be anymore and thus I don't want life extension and see trying to avoid death or extinction by any means as hubris. This doesn't mean complaciency in any extiction event. IMHO trying to solve environmental issues is the right thing to do, same as trying to deflect asteroids etc, while overrushing experimental technology in medicine with kind of a naive sci-fi image of saving the human race feels very off to me, that is btw also the message of many stories written about this.
Politics or no politics, I always gotta upvote a good Jurassic Park quote. But fr tho yeah, this whole thing sounds like a mess. Bro doesn't give a damn about helping these women, he just wants to be the first at something
it's not just the uterus, it's your brain, hormones, even your bones are a part of it. You have to be able to carry the kid full term, it isn't just simply putting the embryo there and it existing in a separate environment from your body thise 9 months. if the body doesn't know how to make all the connections and shit it has to do with blood vessels, nutrient transport and bodily fluids to have the fetus survive and actually grow without major complications, it won't work.
@@feat.aayush have you seen the hio bone of a male and woman? the baby head cant fit in the male bone. also they died u know why? bcoZ biology wont allow it
As a pregnant woman I’ll say watching the way my body AUTOMATICALLY knows what to do to hormonally and chemically carry a baby, the male body does not have the hormonal ecosystem to support a uterus. There’s more to it than just an organ.
@@mopippenger7373 clearly it’s not because trans women on hrt still can’t get pregnant or receive a uterus that doesn’t become septic and kill them. It must be more than JUST hormones.
@@mopippenger7373 into women?? Because the bio men who received a uterus transplant did not survive very long because their bodies did not have the ECOSYSTEM to support it.
@@wedoalittletrolling3305 you don't seem to know what a c-section is...i was delivered via c-section, there weren't any "complications" as far as i know
@@wedoalittletrolling3305 Bro I was c section and the old difference is my head is perfect. My face never needed to be squeezed through the birth canal.
There’s absolutely nothing bigoted or ‘transphobic’ about speaking facts. Especially coming from a qualified medical expert. I appreciate your honesty.
I mean he never once said that he was attacked, only that it “divided the room”. Sounds more likely to me that you’re just seething over tránnies 24/7 and you’ll find any excuse to vent your paranoia.
@@verysadcatc7897well they won’t do shit. At this point homophobic and transphobic arnt even words to be even sad about tbh. It’s almost like a joke word at this point.
It isn't just about transplanting the uterus - there is no possible way to hook up enough blood supply (doubles by 7mos) to support growing life. Not to mention the massive amount of complex hormonal, fluid, enzyme, nutrient transfers that happen with prego. No placenta or umbical cord would ever develop. During specific windows of growth, the female body does work outside the uterus (ex: excretes enzymes that extract calcium from HER bones) & transports to baby. There's no way an implanted uterus normally the size of a fist would be ligament stable enough to blow up to the size of a watermelon & hold several liters of fluid. AND the fake vagina - which is NOT a real stretchy "hole" - would never accommodate 10cm+ for birth, & the fake uterus would be destroyed by c-sec.
If they are able to accomplish fixing all the issues that come with the person with a transplanted uterus carrying a pregnancy to term, I imagine that the person would probably need a c-section.
Let's say the transplant is a success and the uterus isn't rejected by the body. Will the uterus work properly? Like still having its menstrual cycle and capable for pregnancy. Or will it just stay in there as a decoration?
I think it would depend on whether the ovaries are transplanted too and whether those ovaries still have eggs. Probably not pregnancy though, because your body needs to release a lot of hormones for that. But I do wonder if her body WAS able to release those hormones, would the pelvis widen to prepare for birth like in regular women?
@@lfocoap4950ajf8 exactly. I watched a video about menstrual cycle where it requires different type of estrogen for ovaries to release eggs, for uterus prepare its lining, and so on. Transwomen are on hormones, but I don't think those hormones are specific enough to accommodate the uterus, fallopian tube, and ovaries. Or whether the hormones are adequate to rewire the brain. And even with all these somehow pregnancy happened, another question emerged. Whose egg is the egg cell? Is it the donor's? If it's so, what's the different with using surrogate mother? If it's the transwomen's egg (absurd, but let's continue), who are biological men with XY chromosome, what would happen if the baby inherit Y chromosome from their parents? Because so far, it's impossible to have YY chromosome. I think I just fried my brain thinking abt this stuff.
I kind of doubt it In order to have a period, your brain needs to release hormones signalling the uterus to start doing its thing, then the uterus has to signal the brain, and back again You'd need to transplant the ovaries, tubes and everything for there to even be a chance of those hormones being produced 😅
@@silver_soul3073 same question bruh. Will the DNA of the donor be contained in the egg cell or the DNA of the trans will emerge? I can't really fathom this one hahahaha
I am a transgender man, and I think that the issue a lot of trans people seem to have is this dire need to replace their organs to be "real," men or women. It just doesn't work like that. Sorry. I understand that it's painful to not have something you feel your supposed to have, but there are some things that just can't happen, and we have to accept that and stop being delusional. You can dress, present, and identify as a woman. Or a man. But you should NOT cut yourself up and shit to try and make yourself feel whole, when you won't. Hormones? Sure. They do a lot of good when used right, but a uterus can't be in a man's body. And honestly, from personal experience and experience from most women I've encountered, having a uterus BLOWS. Just adopt a baby ffs. It sounds insensitive but, don't kill yourself chasing something that is genuinely, physically, not meant to be housed by your body.
The idea of pregnancy and childbirth as a biological woman scares the bejeesus out of me... I couldn't even imagine the concept of trying to surgically implant a functioning organ that has such a minimal chance of acceptance by the body's biology. Hormones and cosmetic/plastic surgery are already major things for a person to undertake... But the amount of risk and potential for the body to reject the whole darn uterus, get infected and just die would be enormous... I'd rather adopt or use a surrogate and still be able to live to raise a baby than even consider this. What if the surgeon after all that would be like "it's just for show, don't get pregnant because you will die"
trans dude here, with full intent to medically reassign myself in years to come. i agree that its real dangerous for trans women to implant a uterus because its not supposed to be there, and generally the hip bones are too narrow to have any real chance of developing a child. i believe medically transitioning is fine if the person fully believes it will make them feel more at peace, but implanting a uterus is playing god. it wont work, youd need to replace a lot of stuff including bone which would cause a whole amalgamation of health problems
What's something special about giving birth anyway? Tbh I'd rather eat my own shit than give birth Besides, like you said, there's plenty kids around the world. People should provide love and care for someone who needs them. We don't need more kids. We need more good parents
@@CatsForTheCatGod I’d make the appropriate transfemme response for that but my brain isn’t letting me remember enough of the English language for that so just imagine I did (English is my first language btw, and because of the amount of times every English speaker I know forgets parts of it, I’m convinced no one is fully fluent in English!
...master of logical fallacies lol. That's just a medical fad that died out, there was no advancement in the field. What's going to improve? Flow rate? You can't really improve something that doesn't work. The wives tale still exists today just as arcaic "just pee on jellyfish stings and it's cured" 1.) It doesn't work 2.) Seems exactly like how it was in Victorian times with no advancements. Atleast with lgbt they succeeded in their goal and have had advancements, originally people like emperors elagabalus would just wear female sex worker clothing and act like women. Now they can slice and dice their bodies any way they want.
Whatever your views on the subject are, one thing is for certain, a lot more people are going to have to die in the process of such an operation being perfected or even performed correctly once for that matter.
it will be really difficult for the person wanting the surgery to be unbiased so even if they were told the real risks, they'd probably go through with it. the other side is the doctor, the guy in india probably wants his name in some history books so he's also biased, and would maybe not be fully honest with the patient about all the risks.
@@danielanthony1054 oh yeah if your delusional enough to try to change your biology through pills i think you’ll be delusional enough to try this dumbass shit.
Frankenstein ☠️🎃☠️ The brain isn't programmed to just switch. and think.. oh now I'm a "woman" after receiving this random thing uterus.... Let me just start producing random chemical Levels that I have never produced or calibrated.. for something that I have never had in my body.... And let me make some new arteries... 😂😂😂😂😂
@@CarTM you do realize trans people scientifically are literally born in a man’s body with a woman’s brain or vice versa right? Literally science. They have done hundreds of studies using MRI and their brains behave the exact same way as they identify. Trans suicides are the highest amongst any community of people because of hate that gets thrown at them by people like you. Be better.
It does not take more than average intelligence to understand why this is a horrible idea and biologically impossible to have a successful surgery that will carry a healthy baby to term the way that the female body naturally does. There are far too many components that work like gears that man simply cannot recreate (not in our lifetime at least)
@@maygonzalez4249 Unless you're at the end of your life expectancy I wouldn't be so sure about it. You'll actually probably see the first cloned gonadal tissues in the next 20 years. But you're avoiding the question. What if you're wrong?
@@samaeinpumpkin9823 well if I’m for sure wrong then of course I would reconsider my opinion and shape it around the information provided. Until I see a fully successful surgery from start to finish recreating the natural function of the female body into a male’s with minimal complications, it’s just not possible.
What about biological women's health care? Are we going to provide everything to a biological man? Women's health is always looked down upon maybe cure women with PCOD or endometriosis? No but instead we're going to help a biological man get pregnant
Man if they're transitioning they have accepted that they're trans, so yeah the problem is 100% on you, luckily no one needs your permission or approval to be happy
“Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.” - Dr Ian Malcolm Add on: They should prioritize this technology for Moms who wanted to have kids but can't because of various biological issues. They should be first in line! (No transphobia here!)
What about the hormones. Where is the birth canal gonna go? Periods? Also, i presume thixz will only be used for implantation only otherwise how will the eggs be created? The dna needed for making the egg isnt readily available in most men. This is just stupid.
Because you can't fuck with nature's masterpiece - we know like 10% of how the human body works, out of which 2% are what we know about the female body, because until recently we didn't even examine and test women, but only men. So in the end of the day, what we know may seem a lot, but it's just a scratch on the surface and there is no way one can be successful in performing a task that he knows that little about.
@@blaireofhylia1572 yes it literally is. Becuase uteruses are specific to women. Not men. Putting a uterus in a male body is putting a uterus where it doesen't belong. If it was natural it would grow on its own, not get harvested out of a woman and put into a man.
If he did it and it was successful and the man successfully has a baby and the baby looks male and comes out naturally with a uterus....wouldn't that be the very beginning of a new sex?
@@RK-dw1tb what on earth do u mean gender neutral god? The Christian god already doesn't have a gender if that's what ure referring too... That's not new
@@ho-leesheet5923 I think you meant he wont care about how many lives he will destroy as long as he can have once success and gain the title of first.
