"Hail to you, the Doctor; Saviour of the Cybermen!" We're nearing the end of CyberCember and this 'Nightmare in Silver' review is the calm before the storm. Be sure to keep the momentum going by hitting that "like" button and leaving any comment down below to appease the almighty algorithm!
Series 7 has possibly the worst Dalek and Cyberman story of the modern show. I know some people like series 7 but, imo, it’s such a weak set of stories. Especially for an anniversary series.
@The Reverse S7 is a bit on the lower end but I think I prefer S8 a bit less just cause some of the episodes are worse and The Twelfth Doc isn't at his best. They're both better than the Chibnall seasons tho (or at least have more to chew on).
It might just be because Matt Smith is my favorite Doctor, but I have a soft spot for Series 7. I do prefer it to Series 8 and 9, at least. It's definitely the Eleventh Doctor's worst season though.
Still think it's a shame Gaiman hasn't attempted another episode, I think The Doctor's Wife plus his general reputation should offer him a few more chances.
That could be a pretty cool episode idea or at least a B plot. Caricators defending a confined area with household items. Imagine someone using a toaster to demobilize the cybermen.
@@bluedragonfly5145 The Cybermen lay siege to an old building site and the characters use a bulldozer against them. Or a scene where the characters smother the Cybermen in cement
Yeah it *feels* like Gaiman, and I do enjoy it as a guilty pleasure, but something went radically wrong from the original script to transmission. Whether it's Moffat or the director I dunno.
Nightmare in Silver: the story adapted to screen so badly and changed so heavily from its original script that Neil Gaiman literally presented it as his reason for being showrunner on Good Omens.
This review is so well made I could easily watch it twice in one go and laugh at the jokes and find the observations interesting. It was also nice to see a bit more of a balanced argument against this episode. I either see extreme hate for this story or arrogant love from people who say: you just don’t get it. Great to see a reasonable and level headed argument. One of your best Mr T.
The problem with this story is the Cybermen. They don't feel like Cybermen. One thing I will give the Cybus-Men was that they gave off the production line factory aesthetic, the industrial assembly type thing. This just look like action figure toy robots. Hell, they feel more like Daleks. That's an ironic thing in Series 7, the Dalek story feels more like a Cybermen story, and the Cybermen story feels more like a Cybermen story. Also their upgrading is basically just the Borg without impact. With the Borg, you could take a few down before they upgrade. With these guys you can't take any of them down.
I know. An Asylum for horrificly disfigured, destroyed, and emotionally rampant Cybermen would make more sense. If anything, the Asylum for Cybermen could have also been a research/rehab station due to the Cybermen needing to conserve and reserve as many of their forces as possible.
@@LeftytheGansterGremlin it also makes more sense that the Cybermen would convert crashed ships instead exterminating them, as well having a definition of insanity, that being the failure of the emotional inhibiter and want to fix them, whereas the Daleks would surely just exterminate malfunctioning Daleks.
In the abstract, I get why Gaiman made the Cybermen hyper--adaptable. You can see how that would make them more threatening, from a dramatic standpoint. However, doesn't this also kinda destroy the Cybermen as cautionary allegory since, in away, their methods are proven right? Like yeah, they sacrificed their humanity, but now, they are borderline gods.
I’d love to see Gaiman’s earlier script; would probably make a good stand-alone book free of the constrains of budget, time, and having to work with elements from the rest of series (the kids)
This episode on paper had the potential to be a masterpiece. The Cybermen are back, redesigned in a script written by Neil Gaiman titled Nightmare in Silver, hinting that the Cybermen could be scary again like in the classics. This should have been a 10/10 but it ended up being a 4 or 5. Disappointing. Not to mention the individual poster for this episode looked amazing. What a waste. Matt Smith was fantastic as the Cyber Planner, he deserved a better episode
Fun Fact: The chess playing Cyberman and the two in the museum were in one draft supposed to be Invasion/Revenge Cybermen (as that makes sense continuity wise as they fought in the cyberwars) but they used the existing cybus men for budgetary reasons
7:50 Standard writing wisdom is make your villains stronger then your heroes. That's good. However, I think Nightmare proves you can make your villain too strong and throw the story out of balance. Never mind the issue with unclear rules on how they work - it basically renders the agency and choices of the main characters irrelevant, since the villains can only be taken down by a deus ex-machina that the rest of the story doesn't build up to.
And remember that if this episode was done as two parts he would expain that this Cybermen are half Mondasian and Alternative Universe combine together, but this Iron Man Cybermen still is not a interesting design to me compare to most other designs of the Cybermen and also Matt Smith play the Cyber Planner well but why is he nearly identical to the ways of the Doctor at least to me he should be a different character.
Imagine a doctor who episode where the companion gets only partially converted, and the episode deals with the coping aspect of the Cybermen. Just think about how depressing it could be
Although I had issues with the sister, who was extremely whiny (I can’t even remember her name, and I’m sure you mentioned it in your review), Artie on the other hand was not whiny at all in this episode. I have never understood the hate for him. I guess it’s a case of guilt by association because of his sister?
Personally i love the hyper adaptability. It's the super speed I take issue with. It basically removes any tension from chase scenes. They show in the episode that anything that kills them quickly can't be adapted to. That's why when the guy hits the Cybermen on the shoulder with the big gun it can adapt. Same with the bomb. A Cyberman would need to survive it to adapt to it. Since it obliterates everything it can't. That said it definitely shouldn't be a mainstay of their kit. It's only really good for a one off like this.
I agree. The speed looks silly and goofy, too. Maybe these are experimental cyber-units who were developed in secret after the Cyber-wars. Maybe the Cybermen learned that they cannot succeed through sheer numbers but in subterfuge, kinda the same thing the Daleks learned with their war with the Movellans. In addition, they completely glossed over what I find is generally the most creepy aspect of this story: These legions of Cybermen were made out of converted people/families who came to the amusement park, kidnapped in secret. Like, Holy Hell that's the plot of an entire story alone, we're just gonna gloss over that? Families, broken and whole, coming to a happy place to get respite out of their dreary lives or to celebrate how they love each other end up being the "Unlucky" ones, and suffer the worst fate imaginable.
I love how this was uploaded on the same day as Asylum of the Daleks last year. Both came from Series 7, each of them featured the most iconic monster in the whole show and both are regarded as probably the worst of that series.
I'm torn Mr. Clever - on the one hand, Matt Smith gives an 11/10 performances as he always does, even on a bad day. But on the other... bit emotional for a Cyber-Planner, ain't he? Also, I've been looking forward to an actual video dedicated to Death in Heaven from you for 6 years! Worth the wait! :D
I'm kind of okay with it as a Cyberplanner that hasn't fully been integrated and is still affected by the emotional range of its organic components, similar to Ashad in The Haunting of Villa Diodati.
One thing that bugs me about the Moffat era cybermen is their voices. They sound too similar to daleks just with very deep pitch voice. Also I'm looking forward to hearing you tear apart Dark Water and Death in heaven tomorrow. Been looking forward to that all month
It's kinda like the Series 2 finale for me. Army of Ghosts and Dark Water had such great setups and concepts, and the second part just stole the Cybermen's spotlight
7:50 On paper I like the idea of the instant upgrading, it's like how the Borg in Star Trek adapt to whatever you shoot them with so they eventually become unstoppable. (Heck, they've actually got the equivalent of Borg nanoprobes in this story too with the Cybermites) In execution, however, it is indeed pretty silly.
This episode feels like it was written to be a two parter but they just smooshed the two half together and halved the budget Nightmare in silver has the bones of a fantastic Cyberman episode if it had maybe 2 more dafts
I've never realized it before, but the Cybermen in the revived series are just all over the place. Sure the Daleks had a couple bad episodes, but at least there were some really good ones as well. And going to Nightmare in Silver, maybe it's just a victim of Series 7B? That whole chunk of the series seemed to be plagued with issues, I don't recall there being a stand out episode of the bunch.
@@lovablesnowman seriously. Even then there was inconsistency there, Series 8 has gems like Mummy on the Orient Express and Flatline, but it also had Dark Water. Series 9 had Heaven Sent but also Hell Bent. Hell, even Series 10 which I think is consistently the best, at least for Moffat, is saddled with the Monk Trilogy. Inconsistency was Moffat's key
@@RiainRamblez okay fair Moffat isn't writing every episode but it's more the range of overall quality that bemuses me. With RTD his 4 season are all of similar quality albeit with season 2 definitely being the weakest. Whereas the difference in quality between season 5 and 7B is enormous. 5 is quality TV in every respect whereas 7B and even 6 to an extent are just so bad
@@lovablesnowman very much the case. Maybe Moffat and the production team were only focused on the "Ponds/River Song" Series' long story, maybe that explains the lack of quality in Series 7B? I really have no idea
Mr clever doesn't make any sense, cybermen are supposed to be emotionless and purely logical and yet the cyberplanner is some over the top charismatic asshole who doesn't even relate to the cybermen at all
@@TheMarioAdams The Cyberman Leaders are always at least a little different than the others, sometimes even having real emotions. (Eg. Tomb CyberController, Earthshock Leader, Lumic, Cyber-King, Cyber-Lord (if you squint), Mr. Clever, Ashad, etc). It's a nice counterbalance, especially for modern Cybermen who have even less individuality than they had in Classic Who. If the leader was no different, then they wouldn't standout, therefore they wouldn't be compelling. Sometimes the show does it really well, like with Earthshock's Leader and Series 12's Ashad, but sometimes they don't.
The cybermens offensive abilities aren’t what make them so scary, it’s that they are us, that they are just regular people in these metal shells and to a good extent the body horror. That’s the biggest issue with this episode, you could really replace them here with any generic robot threat because other than the planner scenes with 11 it’s not shown that the people inside the suits were once people, something with Rise of the Cybermen got right in the past and that World Enough and Time will get right.
Finally, a modern cyber model I liked! The heads R closer to the classic pre Invasion Troughton models, the bodies R sleeker but still clunky, the voices R even a callback!
This episode has a lot of stuff I like - Matt Smith giving one of his best performances, Cybermen as the main antagonist with no added villains to undermine them, Neil Gaiman's weird names and settings and Warwick Davis. It doesn't work, I know it doesn't, but I do enjoy it as a *massive* guilty pleasure. The potential is there for a masterpiece, but it was not to be, and it's probably Gaiman's weakest work, but I can't help but like it. It's probably too intense to be the "breather" before the "of the Doctor" trilogy (that's The Crimson Horror) but it DOES work as one last standalone to showcase Smith's prowess as an actor and stands as, to date, the last standalone Cyberman story. We've got some loaded finales coming up of wildly varying quality so I do appreciate Nightmare in hindsight for its escapism.
I love the design of the Cybermen introduced in this episode, and I love the idea of them becoming so terrifying because they are now capable of upgrading themselves in the field to counter any resistance, and I love the premise of the Doctor facing off against a Cyberplanner which is trying to take over his brain, and I love the idea of said Cyberplanner developing a personality based on the Doctor’s, but something makes me wonder if the action scenes in this episode would have been just as good (or even better) if the whole connection to the Cybermen was dropped and the Cyber Legions were replaced with a vast army of new-gen Raston Warrior Robots equipped with the same ability to upgrade on the fly.
You voiced my exact problems with the Cybermen upgrades in this episode, the electrified moat scene in particular. It's too powerful a concept which means only a deus ex machina can stop them. Like an army of hundreds can't even lose 1 Cyberman to gain an upgrade for the rest? How do they upgrade any way? They just say "Upgrade" and now they're invincible with no visual changes to indicate a difference? Aren't Cybermen imperfect beings cobbled together anyways? They can move at superspeed, like The Flash, which is the superhero that ruins the threat of any story he's associated with? It's a simple fix: have a few hundred advanced Cybermen. Every time a few are killed, have the rest have to retreat or stall and develop an actual upgrade and visually demonstrate that. The Cybermen are slowly being thinned out, but are becoming more effective, and through that keep advancing. Here's the twist, as they stack all these upgrades, they expose some new fatal weakness that allows the Doctor to cleverly defeat them in one move. Perhaps, their varied and numerous upgrades are so energy-intensive that to utilize them, they must offload some of their workload to their Cyber-Planner, overloads that, so the Doctor can take advantage and take control of the network. It doesn't have to be my specific idea that I threw together, but the Cybermen need to have some cost to their rising power or it's unfair. This reminds me of the South Park episode "Fun Time with Weapons" where Cartman keeps making up powers when playing make-believe and it's rightfully called out as cheating because he has no weaknesses or flaws and has unlimited powers and is creatively bankrupt. That's what this story is. It's a child playing make-believe with their friends, pretending to fire guns, and a brat claiming they have a forcefield to invalidate being shot, and then claiming to be invisible and then claiming they can shoot 2 bullets at once in 2 different directions, and they're heatseeking and they also go through walls, and they have unlimited ammo.
This is genuinely the one episode of DW I do not like, because the cybermen are not scary, they're just robots that feel literally empty as apposed to people put into suits
The "upgrade in progress" aspect is a neay concept, but it could have worked if it was made into a type of trial and error. That making it so not everything on the table of becoming immune against.
finally someone agrees that this doctor doesn't have a romantic bone in his body, i'e been saying this for years, the 11th doctor's relationship to romance is curios at best, participater and most, he never annunciates any romance and even if he did, he just usualy is not even aware of asnything like this happening
I don’t blame Neil gaiman for any of the faults to me it’s all filming problems, like in the script the wax figure and coin were probaly set up the re writes and filming hirt this episode bad
The staging of Doctor and Cyber Planner is exactly the same staging from the musical "Jekyll and Hyde," right down to the jerky movement. He could have sung the whole thing.
Was Nightmare In Silver Neil Gaiman's fault? I heard he was pressured for time and the episode was originally supposed to be a two parter and the kids weren't meant to be in it?
He's normally great at writing kids so I think this wasn't all his fault. He's also made it clear that he wasn't very happy with the televised version and that his finished script was superior so we really need to know the behind the scenes here I think.
Actually remember the two children in The Snowmen? Those were what became angie and artie. Originally Victorian Clara was to be the companion but it was changed AFTER the script was finished so someone(we don't know who but probably Moffat)radically changed the script and changed it to Modern Clara/Clara Alpha.
Hot take, this is my favorite Cyberman story. It's deeply flawed, but it just has so many creative ideas that I love that I can't help but think it's incredible.
Excellent review as always, but I would now like to invite anyone who wants to to be script Doctor with me and suggest ways this episode could have been made better- whilst keeping the fundamental building blocks the same. Two immediate ways I can think would be to give the Cyberplanner an actual personality other than grumpy, panto 11th Doctor. Like, start the episode with him being cold and almost awkward in this new organic body and have him slowly learn to throughout the episode how to lie and deceive convincingly. Another would be have Angie and Artie do something. Either have them be semi-converted and use this as a way to trigger some Doctor-Clara conflict that gets resolved by episode-end(something series 7 seriously lacks) or have them join Clara’s military dropout squad and through this build Clara and the kids’s bond.
Honestly, I had forgotten most of this story. The only thing I had remembered was the Cyber Planner and I liked it. Maybe I'll revisit it just to see what I think.
As an aside, the round faces on the new cybermen were inspired in part by what the designer saw as a failure of the Cybus versions: they're not human *enough*. Specifically the eye/ mouth placement being so far from human proportions that something of the cybermen's prior humanity is lost. So moving the eyes and mouth into a more human position was step one so the rounded features must play into this as well.
Oh thank God I’m not the only one who thought these Cybermen looked like Funko Pops. I think if they’d left the helmets more similar to the Pete’s world ones they would be more visually frightening.
OK I know that this is gonna be a nipick but... I am not a fan of those Cybermen costumes, Don't get me wrong their designs are OK but I don't feel like these are the Cybermen I know and love, My favourite ones are still the ones from The Invasion and the 80's, Also I am not a fan of them running as if their acting like both Sonic and the Flash, Sorry fans of the costumes I'm not just a big fan of the ones in Nightmare in Sliver.
I think they should have had the cyber dr have a cybermanish voice to help tell then apart. Matt Smith didn't really cut it as a cyberman. I'm not sure who was mire a cyberman him or Christopher Robbie
This is a little theory, but I think the instant upgrade of the Cybermen in the electrified moat and lived might have some bit to do with the collective number of Cybermen present. We know by this point the Cybermen are sorta interconnected in their little network. And since there's an entire army of Cybermen witnessing the one being electrocuted, they're collectively fast enough to develop an upgrade.
I have a love-hate relationship with these Cybermen. I kinda like the design, the concept, the voice, the marching, the sfx, everything. But they're not Cybermen. It's just a robot. If this story were just a random new robot villain they it probably would've been great. The CyberWarriors from Series 12 are exactly how these Cybermen should have been like. They're clearly more threatening and upgraded, but they still look metal. You can say to me "That's a guy in under that suit" with the CyberWarriors and I'd agree. Even though these Cybermen DO have men under the suit, they're not written like they are. Death in Heaven shows that a human is still under that suit, yet here they're removing their heads like it's no issue. The one thing I hate the most is that these Cybermen can just be deactivated. In Series 2, they required cold storage to keep them deactivated, presumably to maintain the organics within. In Series 12, they needed those special chambers to remain deactivated. In this episode, the CyberPlanner just switches them off like it was nothing. The Cybermen do still have at least a little bit of individuality, but here they're just extensions of the CyberPlanner. I will say, the episode sounds really good. The shot of the Cybermen walking into the castle, the marching and whirring of their legs, The awesome music. There are two ways to do the Cybermen. Individual, borderline humans or marching faceless robots. Series 10 is the perfect example of how to do the human aspect, and Series 12 is the perfect example of the robotic army. To improve this episode, I'd make sure that these aren't Cybermen. They can be literally anything else, just not Cybermen. This would fix the vast majority of my problems with this episode. Secondly, this isn't a punishment platoon. This would be the emperor's personal guard investigating a potential sighting of the emperor. This doesn't change the narrative because the captain recognizes him regardless, so you might as well make them skilled
This will sound out-of-left-field, but hear me out. I convinced my family this past weekend to play CLUE, but my brother-in-law only had the DW-themed version (which is very heavily biased toward 2013). One of the weapons was termed "Clara Cyberman Gun," and I had zero idea where that came from, since my initial assumption was that it had something to do with Death In Heaven, but I couldn't remember anything like that happening in it. After a while thinking about it, I recalled that there was a Cyberman story in 2013, but that I'd had so little interest in it that I haven't watched it in 8 years. So naturally I came back to your video to confirm whether this was the source, and BOOM! There it is at 4:39. So thank you for your help in such an incredibly niche quest for knowledge.
I really find this episode gratingly awful. That line about Clara’s skirt? So out of character, so misogynistic. Eurgh. And when will people learn that you don’t make things scarier by making them faster and stronger. You make them slower and weaker. How tense is that bit where the cyber suit is limping around grabbing at Amy in The Pandorica Opens? Weeping angels in blink. They can’t even move when you’re looking at them. The creature in Heaven Sent - slowly shuffling towards you. These things are scary. It’s when the goodies have a fighting chance that brings the tension.
The character of the Doc was clearly aware that the skirt line crossed a line and slapped himself for it. Odds are it's residual influence from the Cyberplanner in that moment. And as for having any of those feelings at all that's not super unreasonable.
@@defrostedrobot77 Whether you make the characters on-board with a concept or not it kind of irrelevant, it’s the introducing of the concept into the narrative that’s problematic. Whether the Doctor slaps himself or not, the line sexualises Clara. If Clara was male and it was some mysterious guy the Doctor had been fascinated by, there wouldn’t be a line about his trousers being a little too tight. It’s misogynistic writing.
@@ihateunicorns867 I don't think having the concept in and of itself is straight up misogyny. It's ultimately the context, what is done with it and what it leads to I feel determines that.
@@defrostedrobot77 It's misogynistic. Women are needlessly sexualised all the time and there was absolutely no narrative link to Clara's sexuality in the plot of this story. Moffat's female characters are extremely problematic in this aspect. River, Amy, Clara, even Missy - they're all 'a bit sexy' and 'feisty' and 'get one up on the boys'. This is not strong writing. Women defined by men.
@@ihateunicorns867 The narrative link is that Mr. Clever was trying to manipulate Clara into thinking he was the Doctor by being complimentary and flirty. This shows insight that the Doctor has these feelings to some extent but keeps them repressed (as shown by the end). And this generally builds on their relationship, aspects of which carry over into the Twelfth Doctor. Also, we had Victorian Clara be kind of sexual towards Eleven in The Snowmen so it's not necessarily a one-way thing.
If you do end up deciding to do a Mastercember next year, hit me up, I'll send you the War Master stories and whatever Missy boxsets I have then, basically I'm just buying as many Master stories as possible, so I can probably get you most of them come next year.
honestly they made the cyberman become robots in this and it ruined the whole concept of them, it like they watched star trek borg and tried to rip them off but failed miserably, cybermen are meant to be us with the danger of technology that get ahead of our effics, in this they were mindless drones, and lost all character they had as villians
Nightmare in Silver was one of my favorite episodes of Series 7 when it came out. Looking back... yeah, it might be (to me) to the Cybermen what Asylum of the Daleks was for the Daleks. A good concept for a story with the Doctor and his relationship to the antagonists being the best thing about the episode, but also riddled with plot holes and other problems that drag it down. It's not my least favourite thing in the world, but like eith Asylum, there are better stories with this Doctor and this villain.
I got to say I do like this Cyberman design a little more than the previous one (tho that one's not bad either). They just look sleek. Regarding the "tight skirt" line I think it's worth mentioning that the Doctor does slap himself a little bit after the clip you showed so the Doc is aware it's not exactly a great line of thinking. And you can even interpret this as some residual influence of the Planner if you want to. And I think you missed that the flirting with Clara in that episode was when the Planner was in control trying to deceive Clara as later in the episode after he's snapped out of it we get: DOCTOR: Ow! Ow! Ow! Ow! Yes! It's me. That really hurt. How did you know that was him? CLARA: Because even if that was true, which it is obviously not, I know you well enough to know that you would rather die than say it. Finish your stupid game. and CLARA: Do you think I'm pretty? DOCTOR: No. You're too short and bossy, and your nose is all funny. (Thanks chakoteya.net) There's certainly room for thinking he has some sexual thoughts but in general he's trying to downplay that aspect of himself. I think it kind of gives him a little more dimension that he has these feelings and desires but he's keeping them restrained (which actually kind of sets up the Twelfth Doctor's relationship with her if you think about it). As for Clara I can kind of justify her being a bit more assertive in this one because the kids are in danger and she's going all in to try and get through this situation to protect them. Regarding the Porridge reveal I kind of view Angie's whole bit about it being "obvious" more being a reflection of her personality than the story itself trying to condescend to the audience (tho they could have maybe played up the clues better than they did). I also think Porridge being the Emperor does add a bit if we consider him a parallel to the Doctor, the kind of person that you wouldn't expect to hold a notable title and is a little silly but holds the weight of having had to destroy a planet. Given that we're gonna encounter the War Doctor in the next episode it's kind of a nice way to remind us of that part of the Doctor's history/character through comparison prior to really examining the whole destruction of Gallifrey deal.
Basically agree. Mat Smith is superb tho. I never did grasp the abandoned theme park set. It just didn't make any use of it and didn't look like a theme park. U said it best with death by a 1000 cuts.
Ok, the idea of this story could have worked and I like it. Also, why do people hate the new designs? Im not talking about the Cybermen abilities but how they look. They're sleek, modern, and have chilling voices. Also I came up with this idea for the 60th anniversary special: The Cybermen get ahold of Dalek technology and try to use it to summon the Cybermen from Nightmare un silver. But it goes wrong and they summon all past versions of themselves and the doctor has to fight all of them.
See I had an idea from this episode, from the chess scene where the Cyber Planner deactivates the Cybermen, pulling all their resources into the chess problem: What if the Cyberiad works like any other network, where it's more widely stretched when more Cyber units are active? So while fewer Cybermen are active, the more processing power they have to more quickly adapt to weaknesses, or use things like the speedboost ability? I honestly feel like this would make for an interesting balancing act for modern cybermen, where the more units are using the network, the weaker each individual unit and vice versa. This could also be affected by having multiple cyber planners/ cyber controllers acting as additional processing power. I see modern Cybermen keeping most of the abilities from Nightmare in Silver and the flight from Dark Waters, but not the whole converting the dead thing, as that goes against the whole point of the Cybermen and makes them considerably more overpowered. And the whole converting dead timelords and A somehow still being able to regenerate and B not burning away their bodies is so stupid I won't even touch that concept. But basically, I see Cybermen in general being somewhat weaker than they were in this episode, as this is what they were capable of with just less than half the Doctor's brain, but still a threat that becomes more severe the more processing power they have available, either through fewer active Cybermen, or more Cyber planners/ Cyber Controllers.
15:38 - I'm surprised you didn't use that 'What Can I Say But Yikes!' clip during the 'Closing Time' review. There was a joke in that episode (written by Gareth Roberts) where Craig asks the shop assistant "talk about to me about ladieswear." and I was expecting you to use that clip then. (Side Note: Thanks for getting me into the Philosophy Tube Steve Bannon video. I watched the video just for that clip alone and it's become something of a mantra.)
