Doctor Who: P.S. - Series 7 2012 - BBC One 

SAME!

I felt that same way too. I felt really bad for Brian, and I remember wishing that thy had shown him react to the death of Amy and Rory.

He was awesome, and I enjoyed him so much.

I thought the very same thing! I LOVE this!!

Why can't he just go to a parallel version of the earth

FlamesAndShadows I find it really unfortunate that none of the doctors after the 10th one went back to visit Wilf

@@kyngkazmius3864 it thoroughly angers me that Smith & capaldi never visited wilf,

Wilf needs to come back one day.

George Linford Yeah I agree Bernard Cribbins (The act of Wilf.) is in his 90s now so he sadly may not have that many years left.

I almost cried too!

Mr. JustAGuyWithALightsaber That’s... kinda the point.

Exactly the same concept

It is common in a lot of Time stories. Back to the future 2, Marty see's the Delorian hit by lightning, then a few seconds after, a courier delivers a letter, from The Doc, in the past. Blink - Cathy is sent to the past by the Angel, just as her Grandson delivers the letter, to Sally, at the Wester Drumlin Mansion. This, Amy and Rory's adopted Son delivering their letter, to their father / Stepfather, his grandfather.

Brian White Brian isn’t Amy’s step father

Think it is meant to be a sort of callback to that moment aside from the main meaning of the minisode, like an side easter egg for the fans!

I know, they should have titled it, "P.S.: Feels," or just simply "Feels." Maybe "Parliament Feeladelic" is going too far.

This literally broke my heart as I was talking to my dad about it once when doing a rewatch of Doctor who and got to series 7 I said how it was sad that Brian told them to go with the doctor and that literally in their next adventure die and he never knew. so it’s nice to see that this is a fitting conclusion to the episode which they should have released in the dvd as an extra. Or shot it as a special Minisode. I cried Ahah I love the ponds but im glad that they had a happy ending xx

When she regenerated in let's kill hitler she said "HELLO ANTHONY !!!" And no one understood. Perhaps she knew about him

Actually, she said hello Benjamin, but I still don't get that

FlameFox 07 "It is a reference to the movie 'The Graduate', which is about a young man, Benjamin, who was seduced by his older neighbour, Mrs. Robinson. Melody was referencing a scene from the movie as a joke about how much older she looks in comparison to the Doctor. The Doctor made a similar joke in "The Impossible Astronaut", in which River (aka Melody) is given the code name 'Mrs. Robinson'."

True

Well, not exactly River but Mels regenerated into a toddler "in the middle of New York" (1969) so he might've been her big brother :)

Because he did imo

Lazy maybe ?

@@hothemeep1219 lol did you have a stroke? His writing for Thriteenth's was dogshit hahahahaha

Not a defense of Chibnall, but writing a scene like this is a different set of skills than shaping a longer story.

@@MythicFox chibnal also wrote alot of torchwood and several episodes of doctor who before 13s era though! (not going against chibnal because i love the 13th doctor and majority of her episodes)

+Ben Bullock The actor playing Rory's dad wasn't available, if I'm correct.

2nd best, at least, considering The Night of the Doctor, but a VERY close second best.

@@SunnieMonroe That would have been when Mark Williams was right in the middle of filming Harry potter: And the Prisoner of Azkaban. And possible filming of Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (only released 1 year after Azkaban) Arthur Weasley, Ron's father.

@@ChannelReuploads9451 what? This is years after all of the Harry Potter films had been released.

@@ChannelReuploads9451 This is incorrect, he was filming some smaller scale TV show

ItsAnca Me too!

ItsAnca yes i was crying thank you

ello anca

Watching this for the second time now. Still crying. And this scene wasn't even filmed. Imagine if it had been.

I cry everytime I watch this ;a;

Adoption: that's a good point. Because Amy told Rory that she could not go through with having a kid again, but it might be different if they adopted. She might have been able to handle adopting a kid, just not being pregnant and giving birth.

ser132 I don't think she meant that in the sense of being unable to handle it emotionally, but that she was literally rendered infertile as a side-effect of all the experimenting/modifying Kovarian's henchmen did on Baby!River while still in the womb.

KendrixTermina oh, that makes sense, too. good point, thanks

Would be cool if he ends up being one of the doctor’s companions later down the line

That hurt me

The same angle typically (I do believe ALWAYS) zaps people back to the same relative instant of the past (lucky eh? though to be fair they introduced that rule in Blink, so it's less plot convenience and more legit luck)

Liam Wilkins Dang... that is lucky, very lucky for Amy especially, I had a feeling that was the case and not just a random point in the past for each person. Thank you :) it's fun to nerd out

AmbientStudios Didn't notice that, wow that is even sadder, like on the levels of sad of when Seymour waited for Fry at the end of that Futurama episode

I kind of want to believe for the sake of my own heart that the angel was being somewhat sympathetic when Amy was sent to a similar time.

I like to think the Angel in the graveyard was this universe's version of Angel Bob

+Nathan Au Best. Addition. Ever. For a unfilmed Doctor Who short. ;)

+Nathan Au Even worse, River. Brian doesn't even know about her.

+Jayashree Roopchand Best that he doesn't. Her life is not only too complicated for them to explain to him, the fact that her life is all out of order, and that he actually knew her as Mel, Amy's best friend who ALWAYS got in trouble... ALWAYS, would blow his mind and break his heart. He would have died from the paradox of knowledge!!

+Jayashree Roopchand nooooooo I didn't even think about that I'm crying so much rn

+Nathan Au If it's the tardis leaving it would be dematerialising

I think it is only true for heartbreaking scenes, such as this and Exit Wounds in Torchwood.

I think it’s more to writing character-driven stories. Science fiction isnt really his forte

I personally don’t like his work I think he is a very lazy writer but I may be bias thanks to the timeless child sorry

@@tardistime6857 He's done some solid work outside of Doctor Who, but it is true that a lot of his Doctor Who and Torchwood writing is abominable, and he should have stepped back and focused more on the production side of being a showrunner and not tried to write so much of it himself.

looking at the actual dialogue and separating it from the context, brian was carried by the performance of mark williams under good directors

They'd already caused a paradox - and we witnessed elderly Rory die, which was a fixed point in time. The Doctor can never go back and rescue either of them.

@@tarantulasrus7388 No. That old dying rory was erased from existence. If rory never looked that tombstone maybe he would enter the tardis and fly off and that tombstone would really be someone elses with the same name.

@@erenakay8873 He still got taken by the angels and died anyway. Only, in that reality, Amy was with him. He still might have died in that room (a hospital) and imagined young Amy as he died. He could have had dementia and forgotten the Amy who grew old with him. Wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey...

@@erenakay8873 Reading the tombstone was like reading ahead in the book, it would create a fixed point in time.

@@jaredwilson1343 yes exactly, so she shouldn't have been reading tombstones, but just got back in the stupid tardis, rather than messing around. the same thing happened in stolen earth, where given they were escaping, and speed was of the essence, the doctor decides this to be a great time to poke around at the crack in space and time, but one of the warrior silurians is just about still alive and tried to kill the doctor, rory takes a bullet for the doctor, and not only dies, but being by the crack means he gets erased from existence. entirely the doctor's fault. given all the stuff with the angels manhattan, how dangerous the whole episode had been, they should have been desperate to leave straight away, but no, they are messing around outside fiddling with the tardis and rory thinks it's the splendidly perfect time to be browsing tombstones and invite amy to take a look.there is this pattern of being far too complacent, unfocussed after getting out of a dangerous near death situation. it is logical to escape right away to safety. But no. They do stuff like this. And it really irritates me. another example is the twelfth doctor who was really responsible for bill potts getting a hole blown into her chest, and then being converted into the early version of the cyberman. the doctor casually put his feet up in the tardis and had missy lead the mission along with bill. missy had a sonic screwdriver in her umbrella, and the doctor had sonic screwdriver and shades, either of which capable of disarming that stupid idiot who shoots bill. weve seen the eleventh doctor using sonic blasts from the screwdriver to blast weapons out of the hands of opponents all the time. and the twelfth doctor's sonic tech is totally equal to the eleventh's.he should have disarmed the man's weapon, then got them all back on the tardis and departed.

mylovelyuniverse why???! 😫😩😭😥😢😿

Crystal Wong Your profile picture explains what you looked like!

Majorbomper yes, why yes it does :)

LITERALLY CRYING :(( It would be more intense if it was included in the scene.. GAHD, just.. Gah! It's sad and beautiful at the same time

***** Moffat didn't write this scene.

*sigh*

Someone stuck onions in my heart.

Someone stuck onions up my heart. I'm chocking

I am sorry to hear of your loss. My condolences to you and your family.

This is the best thing he ever wrote for DW in my opinion, a touching, well performed goodbye. It helps that for me, his best episodes were when he was writing for the 11, Amy & Rory combo.

@@JamesTobiasStewart 100% Agreed

It's episodes like this that really convince me that Chibnall was screwed over by higher ups when he was writing for 13, because he's clearly a very good writer but so many moments in 13s run (especially the first season) are just so clunky and awkward, and I think that's because he was told he had to include at least X amount of representation for different things and address X number of issues and so he tried to stuff them in which makes them feel forced

@@J75Pootle I don't think that's true at all, he's demonstrated he's capable of good writing in bursts but if you look at his earlier Doctor Who contributions (which are awful), the 2nd and 3rd seasons of Broadchurch and a lot of the mixed bag that is Torchwood, he just isn't up to the task of writing consistently well

Well Anthony was adopted, so not blood siblings at least.

but still siblings :)

김나은 why couldn't they make a child together?

busi magen oh i see, wow

because before the events of A good man goes to war, apparently the woman with the patch and his team make Amy steril, something like that she says in the episode Asylum of the daleks, that's why they can't have more childrens :(

+WonderfulAkari TOO SOON

+WonderfulAkari Pwhahahahhahaha

+WonderfulAkari "Mister Weasley loses another son!" Oh, my goodness - I knew I remembered that actor but couldn't place him! There are not enough facepalms in the world for this failure!

NOO TOO SOON

+WonderfulAkari GO TO THE CORNER

Same, the whole Doctor going back to Amy as a child just didn't make any sense

iLegendaryGaming | FIFA 15, Minecraft, GTA 5 and More! I didn't like how the Ponds died by jumping off a building, but they survived, but OH WAIT they died because the paradox didn't kill every Angel. It's like, write one ending for your episode, Moffat. Don't make the audience invest emotionally in one ending, then yank it away and replace it with a different one.

TheKiss Rory got a shit send off aswell, when he jumped, the Doctor didn't even call his name, and then that angel just took him by surprise, and then that was it, Amy got all the emotions, and big send off, fuck all for Rory

iLegendaryGaming | FIFA 15, Minecraft, GTA 5 and More! That's kind of how Rory was treated for most of his time on the show, tbh. That's one of the reasons I didn't like the Ponds much. Rory was much more likeable than Amy but he never got anything interesting to do. He was always just wandering off or getting killed or captured so Amy could be cool.

TheKiss I like both of them equally, and I like that they introduced Rory's Dad to give him more of a life. But yeah, you do get the feeling The Doctor didn't even like Rory

+David Blake It is a fantastic scene, but it sadly fits nowhere in the actual episode.

+David Blake Two things: The first is that had they included this, the story would have had two separate endings-the result would be that it would weaken both. And, to be honest, the Amy/Doctor ending is more important to the story.The second thing is that they already did the "letter from long ago" in "Blink". It's the kind of plot device that works, but only if it's used very sparingly. It can't become a thing that always happens when someone ends up stuck back in time.

***** fair point, i still felt kinda disappointed with amy/rorys ending.

***** Possibly. Perhaps they couldn't get Karen and Mark Williams back at that point. It might have cost too much money to film.

+David Blake I recall reading somewhere that that the actor who played Rory's dad wasn't available in time. :/

was p for cin

I can think of a couple of reasons: The first is that the episode already had an ending--Amy's afterword in the book. Having effectively two endings weakens both of them. And as much as I liked Rory, the Amy/Doctor relationship was more important for the story than the Rory/Brian one. The second was that they already used the "letter delivered by a relative" device in "Blink". It's clever, but it becomes less clever the more often it's used.

It was actually just because they ran out of time and never got the chance to film it and all. He was a busy man! Working for the ministry of magic and all.

The emotional impact of the scene speaks far greater volumes than being 'clever' ever will. Not to mention that it touches upon something the show jettisoned along with the rest of the RTD Era. Consequences of what The Doctor's life can do to impact the loved ones of his companions.

Wikipedia says it was due to actor availability problems

@@TheSkully343 Solidus-Skully I believe the Moffat Era dealt with those issues even more than the Davies era. I found that a lot of what I remember from the RTD's era focuses on the Doctor's problems and how they affect him, whereas most of what I remember from Moffat's run focuses on how the Doctor impacts other people. though, both runs focus on both thos aspects, I believe that Moffat does more with the affects on other characters than Davies does. That being said, i have definitely re-watched more Moffat run stuff than RTD run.

Rule 1: doctor lies.

Why would I laugh at this comment....

they didn't die

Nicole Song it showed on the grave at what year they died.

They died but it wasn’t because of the Doctor. He tried his best to save them both but they just…..lived out their lives in the past and they were happy ones.

Wish fulfilled.

He's a Time Lord

Character development and expansion is what Chibnall is best at, he understands these characters, especially how to write the doctor, this and Whitaker’s talent as an actor is what makes me super excited for series 11

This comment was made before Chris Chibnall was announced to replace Moffat as a writer.

That's what we all thought.....

he wll

He also wrote the Cyberwomen episode of Torchwood, so...it will be at least be interesting.

TheJrbdog every writer has there ups and downs

Every Doctor Who episode Chiball wrote is the same. Just look at them. There's some companion in danger, there's a countdown, and the Doctor essentially solves the say by waving his sonic screwdriver around a bit.

I come from the future. Moffat was better.

Yeah. Know I just CAN'T wait for the 13th Doctor!!

*Chris Chibnall*

I mean, he also wrote Dinosaurs On A Spaceship, so...

And yet he also wrote dinosaurs on a spaceship, 42 and the Silurian 2parter so yeah bad outweighs the good

Ontos I actually really liked 42, and thought the Silurian two parter was good as well, but more importantly this short highlights Chibnalls strengths in his writing that shows even in his lackluster episodes (non of them have been outright terrible at the very least)

I think watching this would’ve felt more heartbreaking 😭

Don't die. XD

There are a couple of possibilities (and this is largely conjecture, because I don't have an "in" with the Beeb or the Moff). It looks like the scene got as far as the "storyboard" stage. They may have realized the episode was going to run long, and there wasn't enough "trimming" that they could do in the rest of the episode to fit this in without the trimming upsetting the pacing of the rest of the episode. Another (possibly related) reason is that if you include the "afterward" in the book and this scene, you've got essentially two endings to the story. And as beautiful and touching as this scene ends, the "afterward" fits the flow of the story better-really the whole episode ties in with that ending. Also, the "letter from the long gone person" had already been done in "Blink", and they may have decided not to plow the same ground twice. It's not uncommon for actors to do ADR (Additional Dialogue Recording) for several episode in one trip to the recording studio (assuming they've got the scripts done). Darvill's voice-over could have been done several months before the scene got cut, but before they decided to actually film it. It may have even been recorded at the same time as Karen's VO for the episode--booking studio time is normally in increments of one hour, and the rates (at least 10 years ago in LA) started at about $500/hour

​@@almostfm: The reason was apparently that the actor who plays Brian wasn't available.

@@almostfm This has nothing to do with The Angels Take Manhattan. TATM was written by Moffat, while this was written by Chibnall

@@archiereilly419 Except that this was essentially written as a postscript to TATM to explain to Brian that, while he never saw them again, that they had lived a good life together. If it wasn't written for that purpose, then what episode would it have gone with?

He didn’t sorry

@@tardistime6857 you don't have to apologize. Chibnall missed an opportunity to develop the better side of his storytelling. Missed opportunities happen, it's pretty human. Plus I'm not that down about Doctor Who anymore, I went and found a lovely time travel gem called 12 Monkeys (TV series not the movie but it's still kinda cool). One of Best Time Travel stories out there imo.

IKR

Y'know....in some ways, it's better that this WASN'T shot...it allows the fans to put themselves in Brian's place so much easier...and I think it was more effective this way,

Well said

Padmasandhya Srikanth that was one of the major problems with Moffat as showrunner, (one of many 😜) he was never that bothered about the companions lives on earth, which is why we hardly saw recurring family or friends of the mains during his time on doctor who until later on, a huge contrast from Russell t Davies era

Agreed. This was something I really disliked about Moffat's run. We saw Amy's parents for about 10 minutes then they ceased to exist, and we've never met the aunt that supposedly raised her. And we were supposed to believe that Melody and Amy were *such* good friends when she was never ever mentioned until she suddenly became relevant to the plot. Clara's family have a two-minute cameo in the Christmas special, never to be seen, heard, or mentioned again. At least Bill was explained away with her being an orphan, but frankly after Davies involving the companion's earthly lives and families so significantly, it was disappointing. I get it that he was going for a fairy tale feel but his characters seemed less human because of it. The only thing I like about Chibnall's run is that he is trying to bring back family dynamics into the show somewhat.

She probably wrote to them too. But it wasn't worth showing. We never actually got to know them.

I think one of the actors was unavailable or somthing

it's not to late to shot it now

I can imagine Brians face omggg the feeels

Because Moffat doesn't give a shit about Rory, he just loved Amy. When they both jumped off of the building, the Doctor never called Rory's name, only Amy's. Did the Doctor even care about Rory?

It wasn't filmed because Mark Williams (the actor who portrayed Brian) wasn't available.

Finally! Someone's asking the right questions!

me af

Me too!

Sameeee I miss how the show made me feel .. Now it’s not the same.

This can break Tywin Lannister's heart. This must be the saddest thing ever.

***** Don't you tell a fucking soul...or you will get your own personal Red Wedding! :)

Tywin Lannister Well, that would require me to get a woman to marry with... maybe a "Red Cousin's Birthday" or something?

***** I like the way you think, good Ser.

Seriously. Like why can't everything turn out this good? Then he becomes showrunner and the thing turns to shit.

Yep I’ve pretty much hated most of the new episodes...I tried so hard to like the 13th Doctor and meh 😒 it’s never gonna happen now

get some tissues you wuss

It's basically just the scene from blink played differently, these also aren't his characters and he doesn't have full creative control. Nothing changed, he just lost his safety net.

@@diccchocolate416 he is the show runner… He may not have absolute control but he certainly has more power now than he did when he wrote this. Giving him the reigns of the show was a massive mistake. End of.

@@mRudie1318 No, he wasn't showrunner when this was written.

@@diccchocolate416 you used the wrong tense in your answer then. You said “he doesn’t have control” not “didn’t” so I assumed you were excusing his poor handling of the show since taking control.

He can do some solid emotional writing work, and has done so in stuff like Broadchurch. But his sci-fi writing is lacking at best.

Watch Broadchurch