The colourisation didn’t bother me that much, but the way it was edited exactly as described in the video. There was an attempt to give it a 2023 pace, but then there would be a key moment where it ground to a halt and reverted to its 1960s roots, followed by sequences of rapid cuts from scene to scene to make up for it. Interesting experiment, not sure about the results though. The 1960 movie achieved the same length and is a more satisfying experience
The sixties movie was able to create something from scratch, whereas The Daleks in Colour obviously uses existing material, that’s not a fair comparison. Considering the constraints, I think they did a good job.
The colourisation was great. But I agree. The music and fast cuts made no sense. When it was 1960s Doctor Who in colour it was great. But then you get this modern music and editing style. And the constant 'flashbacks'/reminders of previous plot seemed to be either for extending run time or that they think we forgot something which happened 20 minutes ago. The thing which sucks the most is that I would be enjoying it but be anxious about when it's next going to stray from the source material. On a more positive note it's easy to fix. But on a more realistic note. This won't happen.
All my life I've loved doctor who the early black and white years have always been a joy to watch as I love those black and white horror films from back then. And now we're getting old stories in colour. There's absolutely nothing bad about that it will be a very spectacular experience to relive those years with bursting hues of colour. I feel really privileged and greatful as a fan and think we should All look at it as such
Oddly I'd not seen all 7 eps before and trying to watch this was wild... I had NO idea what was going on from about halfway through. It made literally no sense.
Yes, as someone who actually saw the original broadcast far, far back in time... I can agree with you, that you would have needed to have seen the complete story first, so as to understand what was going on... The colorised shortened video is very nice, and is wonderful for the first half, but, I agree, they seem to have lost some of the story, in the second half... I suggest you watch the complete story if it is on YT....
I loved it, it was great fun. The 60s/new who score, pacing, colours were also amazing. Ive got kids, RTD is totally right, kids prefer pace and colour. I just sat back and let it happen. Was great.
It's worth noting that the original was not meant to be watched in one sitting but in 25 minute chunks. Frankly even a lot of adults struggle to get through all seven episodes of The Daleks in one sitting.
@@baybarsedturner2 Agreed... Having seen all 7 episodes, I think that they could have shrunk the original story to 6 episodes, and broadcast it back in the 1960's, without spoiling the storyline at all... There were definitely some parts that were not really important...
@@whovian59 Agreed, but with one comment... Please cut out the unnecessary music... It was not in the original, and, according to so many comments here, most viewers seem to think it was not needed...
I think the colourised version of the Daleks looks awesome, in billions of ways and I might consider getting this colourised version. I wonder if other black and white Dr Who stories, such as Tomb of the Cybermen or even Dalek Invasion of Earth.
Exactly... People over the age of 60... Such as me... will remember when Dr Who first started, with the first episode the day after the Kennedy shooting... It would be helpful to watch all 7 episodes in black and white, then watch the shorter colour version...
Honestly I really didn’t like it. The soundtrack was unnecessary, the gun effects were pointless and they cut out some key scenes. The added voices really made it so much worse. It was full of montages and ended up as a chopped up mess of scenes. Honestly it would have been better to just put the story into colour, cut a few unnecessary bits (the cave scene and the forest for example) and leave everything else alone
I can remember watching as a kid , when tv pics were 405 lines and the stories were stretched out to fill the Saturday evening slots . The colour and definition was amazing and it was an enjoyable experience . I have to say I'd have liked to see it a bit longer and some of the cuts , especially the camera I find myself in agreement with . The one thing I missed was the background beep beep noise of the Dalek city - odd as they use it in the modern series and the Children in need special .
As one of the 8 million viewers who were amazed at the first ever showing of the Daleks, ( back when the world was young )... I also think that this is a nice presentation in colour... But, in common with many other comments, I wish they had NOT added the background music... It was not in the original 7 episodes, and seems to be extra unnecessary work for the creator of this video... Just a suggestion to the creator of this video... Why not make a copy of this, and simply delete the background music... Call it " The Daleks in colour - without music "... and see what response there is... I am sure there would be hundreds of VERY positive comments... Go on... I dare you !
“We had conversations of bringing the first Dalek story back because it’s a fantastic story. Time and society and taste has moved on, and there’s a problem with the story in that it’s black and white, and rather slow. I had a lot of problems with that, and a lot of the production team had problems with associating classic Doctor Who with black and white and boring, and trust me there’s a long tradition of that. So we made the decision to bring this story back as badly edited as possible, with new music, new dialogue and presented it in colour. And I say this is what The Daleks looks like now. This is 2023, this is our lens. This is our eye” Russell T Davies, probably
@@Mark-nh2hs kinda sounds like you’re implying that Nuwho fans are morons with the attention span on goldfish While I can see Russell may have a point in trying to entice younger fans to watch Classic Who, this was a curious decision
@@user-dx1jh7lf2l no no not at all know many NuWho fans who love classic Who I was on about the ones you see a lot who never watch classic Who and criticise it for everything. When I was a youngster in watched classic Who live and also on VHS and never struggled with 6 to 10 part stories. They held my interest. The flashbacks in this story just proved my point "have to remind them of what happened 10mins earlier" giving the impression they are unable to retain information. I'm not saying all youngsters are lacking attention spans my friends little boy who is 6 enjoys Classic Who and has watched 6 parters and is fascinated by it - he loves the 3rd Doctor when he does his Karate the little one goes "Oooh pow pow" 😂. I don't mind the colourisation of stories I think if done well can make the stories new and fresh. My only issue is what will they edit out - stuff which They deem "problematic" where it wasn't an issue before. And my one fear is if they do a old Cyberman story are they going to put NuWho Cybermen voices all over them - I really hate NuWho Cybermen voices lol. Say they did Tomb of the Cybermen will they edit out Victoria and Kaftan scenes? Will Tobermann be removed? The classic dialogue between The Doctor and Victoria about dealing with deceased loved ones - I have seen quite a few NuWho fans get - hate using this word "Triggered" by it. Will that be edited out and you know the Jamie and Dr holding hands thinking it was Victoria will defo be removed. These are the issues I have, I get they them removing sections of nothing happening or unnecessary side plots which lead to nothing or do not impact on the main story line, but when RTD justifies it in a way that implies some NuWho fans and new people clearly don't have the brain capacity to comprehend classic Who 6+ episode stories. It could cause problems down the line when you get those who have seen the full story vs Edited versions and the argument that could pop up 😂.
I'm watching this right now, I LOVE that it's in colour... but the bloody background music does my HEAD IN!!! It's so loud as you say and the editing is so overdone because it's mixing modern editing with such old footage just does NOT WORK at least with this story... I'm loving it so far especially in colour... but just the editing sucks my god
Yes, it is nice to watch in colour... And yes, most comments seem to agree that the background music was too much... Would have been better without any music... Why go to all the time and effort, to add something which is not required, and was NOT in the original ???
I didn’t mind the visual re-edit, interesting touches here and there, agree they should have softened the cuts by leaving another 10 mins worth. but the “incidental” soundtrack spoiled it. As soon as I heard keyboard drumbeats I reached for the whisky.
I mean, if they were going to colourize the whole 7 episodes (which is what i was expecting) and yeah, maybe have abridged version as i nice experiment as an option, then I i would be fine. Having just watched it, I felt that the pacing was off, the music was a tad intrusive at times and I really could not stand the call-backs to previous scenes. This felt more like something a university student would have made in their spare time. Having said all that, it kind of does have its charm, especially feeling like a 60s fever dream sci-fi epic (something that would feel MORE appropriate for The Chase) I would personally give it a 6/10 🤷 i do hope they'll just colourize the full 7 and possibly a few other 60s who in the future
Wow, some many negative comments - I loved it! Much better paced, loved the colourisation, loved the laser guns, better than the clouds of gas of the original, loved the music although the audio for speech was a little lacking, but there are many shows that suffer much worse for that. The original still exists for the purists but if this opens up some of old Who to a new generation I’m all for it. Bring on some more I say!
Did you actually see the original version? To quote:- "...loved the laser guns, better than the clouds of gas of the original,". There was NO clouds of gas in the original. That was in the Peter Cushing movie. The TV version had the images going to negative.
Yeah the editing is slightly strange but I was blown away by how striking the model shots were. The new sound effects didn't bother me that much and I'm hoping they give a story like Tomb of the Cybermen the same treatment.
I've heard that the next story to be colourised is The War Games. But given how they handled a long story I'm not too sure. And honestly. The War Games is an amazing story and doesn't need to be cut down (much - like title sequences and stuff can be cut).
Wasn’t a fan of the music personally thought it stuck out too much and I agree it was too loud there were a lot of editing decisions that I thought were strange the use of montages made some parts of the story feel choppy it was amazing how much hard work was put in this but a lot of the eerieness of the original is lost which is a shame
Am finally watching classic who and enjoying it for what it was the black and white does not bother me as much as I expected. Will watch this anyway as a one off. Cheers
The editing was very choppy, and the pointless flashbacks to remind you of something that happened just a few minutes earlier. The addition of ray effects looked out of place, but it wasn't as weird as the CGI Tardis. I don't understand the reason. Why not just use the actual footage of the Tardis dematerialisation from the story?
I've never liked cut down Doctor Who. Didnt they do the same thing with the first videotape release of Brain of Morbius, cut it down to 70 mins or something? And the cut down Marco Polo reconstruction on the DVD. If thats your mentality then you could cut it all down to a 5 min recap. Or just read a synopsis of the story. The whole point is to wnjoy the full experience as it was intended.
The music was awful. Truly awful, and it ruined a promising and understandable idea - to make a 60 year old story more appealing to a modern audience. Tristram Cary's original soundscape is subtle and stunning - totally ruined by this new overblown sound of trash. There was one moment where i burst out laughing in disbelief - when the 60's type music track (with drums) started.
They won't do Tomb of the Cybermen there's too much stuff in there which RTD and his TikTok Brain NuWho fans (some but not all) find "Problematic". If the did it they would edit out all the Victoria bits when she's alone with Kaftan, the beautiful scene with the Dr and Victoria talking about remembering and forgetting dead love ones - this would be too Triggering for modern audiences. Tobermann will be edited totally out of the story or given new dialogue from somewhere. Worse of all the Cybermen voices will be replaced with the shitty NuWho Cybermen voices - God I hate NuWho Cybermen voices.
I have always liked black and white shows, and in many ways black and white shows and films are awesome in billions of ways and also I grew up with classic Dr Who having been born in the late 1960s and I wish in millions of ways I could have been born before the 1960s say in the 1950s or even earlier.
Yes, totally agree... I was born in 1956, and can just recall the very first episode of Dr Who, the day after the Kennedy shooting... The first story was a bit plain, but, without any doubt, the Daleks absolutely made Dr Who into the success it became... At the school playground, we were ALL young Daleks then !!!!
Have not seen this yet being in Australia being 63 I am respect the different pacing of era. It sounds like its designed for those who have shorter attention spans which is sad in a way
Thanks for the review! Sounds like they did a lot more that jars the story than making it genuinely better. Why did they change dialogue to replace "Dals" with "Kaleds"? Why the rush to continuity all of a sudden when the other special spelled itbout inndialogue that "canon is rupturing" or whatever Tennant had said...
This has inspred me to do my own edit. My plan is to pad the visuals by building a small model of the city with surrounding landscape, the shoot it on b&w 8mm run sideways. So i can get a greater variety of shots of the city and the forest. It should be about 2h10. If i can ill remove the background hissing noise to get moments of true silence.
I largely enjoyed it and good there is still an option for the original unedited B/w episodes. BUT....constant music...ffs, it's a TV show not an album. This has been a problem with Dr Who for several years and many other shows too.
Totally agree... The same problem even on Radio 5 Live... They insist on putting jingles and thump, thump, thump background music when the News, Sport, Weather and Traffic updates are on... It is often so loud, that we, the listeners CANNOT hear what the presenters are saying... Incredibly bad... or what !!! ... As you say... FFS !
I didn't watch the entirety of the colourised version. I thought they went a bit overboard with the colour in places, especially in the petrified forest and overly vibrant panels in the Dalek city.
Firstly the colourisation was great and I'm encouraged that 60s who works great in colour and the feature length concept is fine but The new music score was terrible ruined the atmosphere THIS NEEDS to be removed from the blu ray I did not want Nic Briggs, this isn't day of the daleks They cut Susan writing the letter They chopped the escape scene irratically And the doctor literally vanished at the end This should not be the finished version on the Blu ray Release this is not worth £30.
it's a shame, I really wanted to enjoy this, and I tried very hard to enjoy but yeah, 100% agree with all of what you just said! I only got to about half way and then I started noticing all the fast pace editing, it was just chop & change 1000 mph. ruined the vibe completely. and yeah the music is just Constant throughout, didn't enjoy that either but the editing thing was the worst for me. If they had just kept it simple and colourised it, it would have been ok. yeah, I can see what you were trying to do BBC (as 6sek points out too) but you went the wrong way about it!
Yes... Most of the comments seem to agree with you... I don't really understand why they had to add the music... It was just extra work for the designer, and just spoils all the nice work which they did... The original 7 episodes did not have any backing music ( as far as I can recall ) but that actually added to the scary nature of the Daleks...
I didnt find the edits as bad as most people did, but the music was abysmal. When the first dalek is going towards barbara off camera, it was originally.. eerie.. and odd, with creepy sounds and essential silence But with (bad) new nusic that was wayyyy too loud and wasnt even in the same audio quality level, it was ruined
Agreed... It was the quietness, as the Dalek approached Barbara, that added to the tension and scary nature of the story... Let's remember, up until that story, we, the 8 million viewers, had never seen anything like the Daleks before... They really made Dr Who into the success it became... To be honest, Dr Who WITHOUT the Daleks, would have folded in the first season...
It’s a shame that you didn’t like ‘The Daleks in Colour’, but whilst I agree with some of your criticisms, I really found your review to be too negative. I appreciate that you couldn’t use any clips in your video, but having just one photo throughout your monotone twenty three minutes made for a really boring video, and I lost interest. Perhaps you could learn a few lessons from watching ‘The Daleks in Colour’ again? On balance, I enjoyed it, and will support the effort by purchasing the Steelbook. I’ll also cross my fingers for another colourised classic next year, and hope you’ll enjoy that a bit more. 😊
Did anyone else also notice how the lift was sped up the first time (presumably to shave off a few seconds of runtime) but then when it goes down it was back to its speed from the original, and Barbara's line about it being slow was intact... like sorry what?
Yes I want everything to have the best quality, and colourised. But I also want options to customise. Say 4K but B&W, or Colour. Or even new music but yeah keep the old for obvious reasons. Or make the new stuff replicate the old. And they should have some all episodes not but this shortened version (which I like the idea, but again options. But cutting out key points is stupid.) One thing they should do is sync the Daleks lights with the spoken syllables. Would polish it up nice. And maybe added parts, scenes or new effects or the background with no paint and bare wooden joists and painted them or such. Like Daleks with actual beams instead of negative flashes. Also still can’t believe the issue with An Unearthly Child. That is crazy and just a shame. The BBC need to unite all Doctor Who episodes, spin-offs, and movies under one roof. Give us deep fakes, restorations, colourisations, polishing updated effects or added effects or add parts, with options to change to your liking and more products.
4k isn't possible as the original recording is SD and is upscaled to HD doing that even more with current available methods would result in loss of detail. Only episodes shot on 35mm film and that survived can be true 4K like episode 5 of the mind robber
What's worse is that he's apparently editing the story for the modern TikTok Brain NuWho fans who are unable to watch a full classic Who story. Not all NuWho fans are like this but there are many who are. It would be interesting to see what elements he edits out? Knowing RTD anything which he thinks is "problematic" and could upset the delicate TikTok brainers uggggh.
I am a life long fan and can still remember how I used to feel as a 7 year old on those Saturday evenings. They were much simpler times and the stage like limitations of Doctor Who were not an issue, my imagination pasted over any faults in acting or production. I was just captivated and delighted to see a homegrown sci-fi on TV. The premise for updating such old material is very flawed, it's charm is in it's pace and it's overstretched ambition. The fact it was in black and white added to it's mood, imagine taking any classic film noir and colourising it, it just kills the atmosphere. Adding colour and frantic music and editing will not make this any more appealing to a very young audience, the plummy RE accents, the camp costumes and hammy acting is not something that can be modernised or disguised, so this attempt ends up a bizarre hybrid curiosity that I suspect will please very few fans old or new.
The editing wasn't executed well, it was so fast that they should've left two episodes intact then edit the other five in 75 minutes so we're talking 2 hours. Interestingly, Doctor Who and the Daleks is 10 minutes longer. I haven't seen the Daleks in 3 years, and I just felt lost, there was no plot.
I like Mark Ayres, but the music mix wasn't fit for purpose. It was too loud and it sounded too 80's, not 60's. Incidental music was thin in the 60's, they tried to add it to push the compressed edit to create tension.
I was excited for this. So underwhelmed. Mark Ayres score (Sorry Mark. I love everything else you've ever done.) just did not work. The editing: I couldn't even finish. I skimmed and couldn't believe how it was massacred in editing. My 15 yr old self did a better job editing my own low budget films with 2 VHS VCRs and a camcorder! If RTD thinks his target audience is thick, unable to concentrate for 2 seconds and is so concerned with offending anyone, this screams of condescension. Please leave the classics alone.
Imaginne if Terry Nation was still alive? "Thanks for helpig make the show a succeess Terry but two of your stories are problematic now and need to be heavily altered before people will accept them now."
I couldn't care less for this, but i will be mightily pissed if the bluray of Invasion of the Dinosaurs has that shitty partial colourisation of episode 1. If they've got so much time and money that they can colour stories that don't need it then they better bloody colour the one episode that does need it.
Too much colour! The skin tones were dreadful... and inconsistent. Some of the added score was naff, some of the edits were very lumpy and the end credits music was dull! A curious experiment that I won't watch again.
Yes I am dead as I read your comment and like the cartoons in Who framed roger rabbit laughed myself to death, my question to you is did you have nothing more important in your life than watching 7 episodes of 60's Doctor Who for the 78th time? @@jamest.3268
Wow... Best 2 comments of all these so far... A little bit of humour amongst all the negative comments... BTW, I also did not like the tedious background music... It was not in the original... Why add something that is totally unnecessary ?
Agreed... Wish they could do another almost identical version, but, please, please, please... ffs ditch the irritating background music... It was not in the original series.... Why add something unnecessary ?
Thanks for your review. The music and editing are awful. Why change the original!? A failed experiment in my opinion. I'd rather watch the original version or the Cushing film. I wont be watching any of the other cut down versions.
I'm no fan of making b&w tv shows into color and I really wanted to like this by holy heck they butchered this like crazy. The color was ok, but adding new effects really ruined the charm of the more cheap effects they used to make these as good as they were. Why did they feel the need to add music to it? It drowned much of the sound out and the creepy effect sounds that were used originally. There was no need to edit it out as it was too fast paced and make soo little sense. There was no need for the flashbacks every 5 damn minutes. I hear the war games is gonna get the color treatment, sure the color was ok but do not do anything else to it.
Agreed... Wish they could do another almost identical version, but, please, please, please... ffs ditch the irritating background music... It was not in the original series.... Why add something unnecessary ?
Well Disney now has rights to doctor who so expect the same level of disrespect they’ve given to every single ip they’ve ever touched. With Disney having a say in doctor who were in for worse than just bad writing
Look up the details of the deal. Disney does not have a say in Doctor Who. They have streaming rights to it and chuck money at it. That's it. The BBC owns Doctor Who and always will
@@c.lvr2602yes they have streaming rights but we all know Disney has extremely strict guidelines lines esp if streaming on their platform. It's all a bit odd this whole Davros issue suddenly came out of the blue. If streaming in America - there are many Americans who don't really know Dr Who and you can imagine the outrage that could kick off if they saw Davros 😂
Its on iplayer now have not watched it. .... old Dr Who the best. ... new Dr needs to be thrown in a BLACK 🕳 HOLE 🕳 ... ..TODAYS... Movies and tv shows bad colour and editing is bad. ..?????
The acting is bad and it's just so low budget and poorly made it won't get the new younger generation to watch them even if they was all done in colour you would have to be an older person like myself who grew up with these old black and white shows and who is a devoted fan time has changed so much. It's not like star trek where its done with a much bigger budget and better acting along with colour back in the 60's and was a more of a classic popular show and was more professionally made on a much bigger budget. It's the doctor who films that is more popular to watch with Peter Cushing Dr Who and the Daleks (1965) and Daleks' Invasion on Earth 1966... They just make the old tv shows look so crap even back from the 70's and 80's tv shows because they were all made with lower budget for bbc tv its the way it was back then. It would be nice to go back and see them in colour but it wont make them any better because of the acting and story they would be just too boring to watch. Even Star trek the next generation new star trek show after the originals was better than any doctor who shows made from the 90's onwards its the budget and you can change that as it was made that way at its time.
Yes... Most of us, who were around in the 60's, were aware that the BBC did not have much money to spend on special effects.. But that was part of the charm of the early Dr Who seasons... We all loved the wobbly walls, and the simple costumes, etc... But, along came the Daleks, and suddenly the BBC became as good as the American Sci Fi shows...Let's be honest... If the Daleks had not appeared, then Dr Who would have been cancelled in the first season...
But what's the excuse for today's dr who going down hill where star trek strange new worlds is a huge success and that's where budget come into play with actors who can act and more professional made with much better story writing and more made for the times with not just kids to watch but adults of all ages. Dr who still targets kids viewing and it can't seem to move on from that concept it still thinks where s in the 60' 70s with it's low budget tv show and it cant progress into making dr who into a film franchise. Star trek been doing that back in 1977 with the motion picture so what has dr who done going forward with this same old tv show nothing. Same low budget bad actors playing the role with same crappy writing David tennant was the only good thing come from dr who and look how they used him for this 60th anniversary they didn't even take full advantage to make a good story for him
@@bioshock6935 Not too sure what the answer is... Maybe it is a generational thing... It seems that most viewers, under the age of 40, consider David Tennant to be the best Dr Who... Speaking as one of the 60 year olds, I, and apparently many others, still believe that Tom Baker was the best ever Dr Who... And many fans, including me, truly believe that " Genesis of the Daleks " with Davros, was the best ever story...
Yes tom baker was the best at that era i was introduced to jon pertwee era and then tom baker but tom baker is the best why i feel tennant for modern dr who as he has a lot of tom baker in his take of the character
