GUYS. I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING. In the two parter “The Time of Angels”/“Flesh and Stone” the Doctor says “if you have any plans of seeing tomorrow, if you value your continued existence, there is one thing you never, ever put in a trap... me”. And now in this episode they put the Doctor in a trap and the whole universe is erased from existence.
@@The2Coolest2 For all its faults, I love Series 8, and Series 10 is just amazing in my opinion. I'm not sure about Series 6 though, I don't really like its structure or its story arc.
I always found this scene beautiful in a horrifying way because all these different people: Dalek, Cyberman, Sontaran, etc. all come together to stop a common enemy and prevent the end of the universe. The horrifying part is that they’re coming together to stop the Doctor when he’s actually trying to save the universe.
@The_jesters_house imagine if they all worked together against an enemy most dangerous one who needs to be destroyed in multiple areas across the galaxy
What was in the Pandorica again? "A creature, a warrior, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the universe. Legends say that one day we would just drop down from the sky and tear down your world." Oh... Oh no...
Well the Doctor kind of does that to those who seek to cause pain and suffering, thus he has to tear down their worlds, its no wonder the Dalaks refer to him as the Beast
The Doctor literally called himself "The Warrior" for a period of the Time War. He's caused mass-extinctions, punished species for invading Earth, shown a cruel and vindictive side when he's crossed, constantly leaving destruction in his wake. Kinda fits the bill.
"Onllly the Doctorrr can pilot the TARDIS..." and "You will be prevented!" are my fave lines from this. The Daleks taking great glee in seeing their plan come to fruition and cutting the Doctor off with those lines when hes trying to explain why he needs to help.
Every time I watch this episode, I love to act out this scene, and when it gets to that point, I love when it gets to that part where he's screaming and just pleading for his life before *thud*, the Pandorica shuts. Always give me goosebumps.
That desperation in the Doctor's voice, Matt Smith is so good it's just heartbreaking. The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang is my favorite season finale in the modern series, fun action, sharp writing, powerful acting, a dark as hell cliffhanger and a fairy tale ending. It's just so much fun.
The Doctor: I can save the universe! The Alliance: No you can't! The Doctor: Yes I can! The Alliance: No you can't! The Doctor: Yes I can! The Alliance: No you can't! - Pandorica closes - Daleks: Oke, what now? Cybermen: Ah, so that is what he was supposed to do... Daleks: What? Cybermen: He was supposed to give us something to argue about! Daleks: Well, if he has a purpose, we can let him go right! Cybermen: Agreed! And so the War restarted...
I agree. No matter what scenario DW will throw at us in the future, this one won't be forgotten. Every moment in history is being erased? With a storyline like that, How else can this scene be viewed without Murray Gold's music to accompany that?
Y’know, it’s kind of cute that all those creatures, from the evil Daleks to the law-obsessed Judoon and sketchy Slitheen, are actually trying to _save_ the universe. The fact that they try their very hardest to save something that some of them have even tried to destroy before is just kinda nice
They can't take over/ destroy a universe that doesn't exist , they all know they gain nothing from universal deletion, so they work together to prevent the one thing they can agree is a bad thing for all of them
would be interesting that somewhere in the back of their minds, the Alliance was created to save the Universe and knew that only the Doctor was capable of destroying it... yet at the same time knew that he was also the only one that could truly save it: that the collapse was an inevitable outcome and that without the Timelords existing than the Universe was indeed doomed for everyone involved: so they devised the Pandorica as a means of imprisoning the Doctor... and Sparing the Doctor, so that when the collapse passes, he can figure out how to save the universe from dying altogether. They played their part, now it was his turn to play his.
Come to think of it, a lot of problems in the new series was caused because the TimeLords were no longer governing the universe. No culture knows exactly what the definitive right answer for everything is, but the Time Lords made sure the Trains ran on time. No pun intended.
My reaction: "Huh, I wonder it was like to wait a week to get a continuation to that cliffhanger..." *clicks on the next episode* "Wee woo woo... Woo woo wee..."
+Valpas Kankaristo When it came out, I wasn't a massive doctor Who watcher, so I saw this episode, but not the series finale. I was waiting a very long while....
truly this was one of the darkest moments in the series; Rory killing the one person he loved most, the Tardis exploding, River song being lost in the chaos, and the Dr being unable to help anyone as the world burns.
Moffat did a lot mistakes but times like this I remember what a genius he is . This is not just about the bad and dangerous ones making an alliance towards a common enemy. Everyone is a heroe on their own story as nobody is a villain . This momemt captures this perfectly. In their minds they were always the good ones , their actions were justified by their upper goals and the Doctor was the villain, the bad one messing their plans and destroying everything. Seeing the Sontarian's face for a moment makes you believe that this was truly justice being served. *There was a goblin, or a trickster or a warrior. A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. Nothing could stop it or hold it or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world...* That came out of his mouth, that's how he described his own self this rare moment that he viewed eveything as a third person. Plus that shows that no matter how good the intentions of a man with so much power are he'll still cause damage and harm ,he'll still do terrible things.
Can we just appreciate that the alliance was actually totally right? The doctor did in fact destroy all of reality, he brought it back with the big bang sure, but he did destroy the old one.
Everyone rightly pointing out how cool and chilling it is when that Dalek says "Only the Doctor can pilot the TARDIS", but I'm personally here for the Cyber-Leader that pushes past the Judoon to declare the sealing of the Pandorica with a clenched fist. As close as you'll ever get to seeing a proud Cyberman. Honestly this entire scene is a fanboy's dream. Daleks, Cybermen, Judoon, Sontarans, Autons, Weevils, Sycorax, Hoix, Uvodni, Blowfish, Silurians, Roboforms, all together in the same location! Oh we were eating good back in 2010!
Kaagh178 I think Amy was "dying" not dead. Then the Pandora just put her into a status. So naturaly the body would heal itsekf. Now I am no "doctor" (get it?) so eh...
To be honest I would like it if the Doctor did team up with them to save the universe. It would've been a great thing to do. Enemies having to work together in order to save the universe and all of reality no matter how much it pains them
But it is also admirable what they did here. They try to save the whole of reality by locking away the man who they believe is the culprit of the atrocity. They don't kill him. If they had been convinced the Doctor was what could save them I am almost positive they would have aided in any way they could have.
Alpha121198 Isn’t that, technically, exactly what they do, though? Despite it not being their intent, he ends up -saving- in position to restart reality because of their efforts.
the whole season was the peak for this show...... a crack in time that vanishes things out of existence, caused by the tardis? think of a better idea..... trully moffat gets a bad rep but he is the brightest writer in existence
@@cmenardmusic I prefer RTD but honestly people don’t give Moffat enough credit for somehow keeping everything about River, the crack and the silence coherent over 3 series. Making them all make sense over so many episodes sounds like such a headache of a task
"The Pandorica was constructed to ensure the safety of the alliance." I never understood why they didn't just kill him until I heard that line. From their point of view, kill the Doctor and yippee the universe is saved, but now they're all enemies again, and can do some serious damage to each other given they've all converged on this one place. Additionally, if combined they are powerful enough to defeat the Doctor, then combined they are strong enough to conquer the whole universe (especially with the Doctor out of the way). But it's not in their nature to work together. They must be forced. So if the Doctor is still alive and still threatens the whole universe, then the alliance must be maintained, just in case he gets loose. Kill him, and the alliance disintegrates in seconds. I'd like to think this idea was devised by the Cybermen. They once attempted an alliance with the Daleks and were immediately exterminated. But use the Doctor himself as a bargaining chip and the Daleks can be brought to the negotiating table.
That's one way to think about it. Another way to think about it is that they are just that scared of him. All of them, on various different occasions, through various different means, have tried to kill him. Each time, they've failed. Even when, to the best of their respective knowledge, it shouldn't have been possible, they failed. So now you have this situation. All of these groups working together. They outnumber him. They outgun him. Using the knowledge of his companions against him. And somewhere in the planning stage of all this, someone said "we're not going to kill him. We CAN'T kill him. If we try, it will fail. I don't know how, but it will happen SOMEhow, and if this fails, we're all screwed. So no matter how much you want to kill him, DON'T. TRY IT." And everyone agreed. Right up to the very end, even when they had him locked in place, they didn't try it. Because they weren't willing to risk the chance of it biting them in the ass.
My headcanon is that in an alternate universe, the alliance, which I dub it "Pandorica Alliance", becomes the universe's saviors. In that universe, the Doctor never existed. (This is not an argument starter. I just like seeing the Daleks, Cybermen, Sontarans, the Doctor's enemies uniting under a common goal.)
This scene hurt me so hard when I first saw it. It still packs a whallop and I admittedly still cry but this was absolutely devastating at the time. The desperation in Smith’s voice, poor Rory cradling Amy.
Had an interesting thought. The Erasure only deletes the thing deleted, it doesn't stop any events that occurred because of the thing: people just forget about it unless they are a time traveler or are strong willed. So... that means that everything that happens inside the story before and after the events of series 5 episodes 12 and 13... are historical fact. So that means that the Big Bang from the Tardis, even thought it was countered as it happened, still happened. So... what if there was no second big bang. What if... the Big Bang from the Tardis is what creates the universe in which the Tardis is born thus allowing the Tardis to be born: which allows the universe to be created. In essence, the doctor creates his own entire universe on accident using a blueprint of the universe that birthed him... because that is the only way he could exist in the first place. It's a paradox theory that is explored in recent series with the thirteenth Doctor. Who created Beethoven's fifth if a time traveler who loves Beethoven's music goes back in time only to realize that Beethoven doesn't exist and thus uses his sheet music from the future to 'become' Beethoven but thus never needs to create the music since it already exists? My theory is that these 'Self-making' things aren't just common throughout the universe... that is literally how the universe began: It created itself through the doctor by existing for the doctor to be born inside.
the fact that all those mighty races were forced together to team up and build the ultimate prison to contain the most feared being in the universe and have that being turn out to be the doctor is just perfectly awesome.
The thing that I didn't understand was that the juddoon were there they're apart of the shadow proclamation and the doctor has helped them multiple times
Imagine working so hard to help as many people and worlds as you can across all time and space and in the end you cement your reputation not as a legendary hero to be revered but the ultimate warrior that nothing can stop. Being feared as something you hate
I love how this scene highlights the Doctor's messianic nature as well as the contrast between this and is show of strength against these beings earlier in the episode.
BizarreHD the daleks saw this as a way to preserve their race, as the whole universe was on the verge of destruction. ironically they ended up exterminating themselves by doing this
people seem to forget that the daleks have teamed up with others in the past. so it matters not whether these are the "rainbow daleks" or the gold ones. everyone's arguments are now void.
It's not so much 'teaming up' as 'using inferior species to do what we alone can't do just yet...' I suspect that if the universe hadn't ceased to exist, the daleks would have turned on the others in short order.
To everyone who's confused about why the Daleks would want to save the universe, I don't think they want the universe to be destroyed while they're still living in it. Even in "The Stolen Earth / Journey's End", when they were planning on genociding every other living creature out there, they certainly weren't planning on exterminating themselves. The Daleks have two main motivations, death to 'lesser' creatures and self-preservation, and in this two-parter self-preservation won out.
Season 4 Daleks: Creating a Reality Bomb to destroy the entire Universe. Season 5 Daleks: Team up with other aliens to imprison the Doctor and save the entire universe.
It's weirdly inspiring, in retrospect, so see so many different races and species who would normally be at each other's throats working together for the common good. Even as mistaken as they are.
+richcampoverde All of the Doctors enemies came together to try and save the universe, even though many of them planned to conquer it. At one point the Daleks (The big tin cans with the plungers and dome lights) even planned to destroy the multiverse. But now they try to save it.
+deltahalo241 tin cans? dont you mean a mutated kaled inside a bonded polycarbide tank. everyone knows what a dalek is they saved this show. thanks for clearing the rest up tho 😊
+deltahalo241 i had know knowledge of what was going on in this scene. your detaled answer shows me that you must be an all round nice guy you took the time to explain and that makes you one awsom dude not many like you on youtube
"All of the Battleship crewmates are threatened" "No, we will save the Battleship from you" "All projections correlate, all evidence concurs that you will sabotage the Battleship"
There were quite a few people who said they didn't like how the doctor was so upset and on the verge of crying, but I like that because it really shows how much the doctor loves the universe and the universe only and the one thing it hates is being trapped, so being trapped while the universe is being erased is basically hell for them. 3:08 Matt Smith perfectly executed this.
This awesome ending only to be ruined by a terrible finale where the explanation for how he got out was "Future self helped me" and every villain was killed off screen. Surely that means every problem the dr has ever faced could be fixed by a future version of himself going back and changing things.
Looking now at his whole run, you could say it's one of the defining things about Moffat as a showrunner. He's excellent for Series Premiere, creating great dramas with consequent stakes, and teasing about it ... But almost everytime, he sucks at finales (the worsts being probably Series 8's Death in Heaven and Series 9's Hell Bent). The irony being that his only 2 good finales (Series 7 and 10's) are in the only seasons he didn't start with a bang and a whole lot of promises and potential he won't be able to deal with afterwards. Quite the opposite of RTD in fact, who never started his seasons too harshly but was able to deliver everytime (more or less) great finales that were able to unite the series's themes and events together ...
@@docteurdewey785the only thing who save the season of RTD is they have always a lost or Counterweight to the victory of the doctor but except that his solutions are as easy if not easier than Moffat's (at least he's mostly focused on character development)
Okay, only the Daleks should have time travel capabilities. How are the other races accomplishing it? Are the Daleks helping them? This is never explained!
Internet User #1709 actually yes the daleks are helping them, the danger is so great that they have no other option to share technology with the other species to preserve themselves and the universe...can’t be a superior species if there’s no universe to reside in When all the aliens show up if you look carefully you’ll even see the atraxi, the sherif of the universe who undoubtedly would consider the daleks criminals for multiple genocides, if they partnered up with the daleks and cybermen you know the situation is dire
This would be like if the Romulans, Borg, Cardassians, Klingons, Gorn, and Orions banded together to lock up Picard in All Good Things before he could create the temporal rift.
Wait why were the Daleks there to save the universe? I thought they were all about destruction. Weren't they the ones who were going to use the reality bomb?
the Daleks were omnicidal maniacs, but they also wanted to live to see it happen as a result of their own actions: a form of last man standing principal.
+Media Kira Those Daleks were different from these ones. Those Daleks were not, “pure,” as they were grown from cells of Davros. and ultimately, completely loyal to him.
02:48 to 03:24 sorry but....I've cried a river,I mean its so emotionally....Very very very very Emotionally!Really,I've cried.... This episode is so AMAZING,Moffat is a really fuck brilliant guy!
YT Expanderman Cringy? No. Really no. He wroten the best and most intelligent stories. Now, you know what is cringy? Farting aliens, absorbalof, gordure aliens, "Dinner time Master", mannequins, Fear Her and so much more.
Fil Bencs you're cherry picking the worst of that era. It's fair to say that both Moffat and Davis both had good moments and bad ones. Some people just prefer Davis to Moffat or vice Versa. But you can cherry pick your least favourite moments and use them as evidence as someone being a bad writer.
They have all this information about the doctor to supposedly know the tardis is going to cause the end of the universe, but they couldn’t figure out that “only the doctor can pilot the tardis” is blatantly false in several ways?
