2:44 So, obviously Mystra’s name is there, but there’s another god in that incantation - Ao (pronounced Ay-Oh) who’s described as the silent Overgod of Faerûn. He’s known to only show up if things are truly FUBAR, and is otherwise completely unreachable. Just to give you an idea, when the dragon gods Bahamut and Tiamat where actively fighting on the mortal plan, causing all kinds of destruction as a result, Ao, as a show of force, briefly just made them mortal. No thunderous fury and lightning strikes, no booming words spoken, just took away their divinity with the tacit threat of “fuck around and find out” So, here’s my question: what is that incantation that calls on THAT kind of power, and gets a result from it?
@@jescruz5465 not really, there is another entity called Master of light (or smt like that), to whom Ao serves, and it suppose to be personification of Dungeon Master. Ao is more like personification of D&D rulebook.
On the contrary, how do you think Gale feels that Elminster and Kelemvor got there before him? In short, it’s known that Mystra engages romantically with unique individuals who intrigue her. Most Mystran clerics probably aren’t really that much concerned by this fact as they are with their religious practices and duties towards her and their church, at least going by the lore of the setting.
This cutscene is really nice but tbh Gale is a funny guy. I literally rejected him * twice * and didn't get a single. romantic. cutscene. from him, and YET when I kissed Astarion for the first time after his confession, got really happy and all, but the sec I go to camp this man immediately told my bard something like "hOW COULD YOU? ARE YOU WITH ASTARION NOW? i tHougHT YOU LOVeD Me" ....like, man, I didn't even took you out of camp a single time, hello??💀
Poor gale has schizophrenia, i recently had him complain about a certain contract before even meeting said guy in the city... That said, there are still some bugged flags.
The devs had to fix Gale twice through differents patches coz his romance flags were too broken 😂 you shouldn't have anymore issue with him in a new playthrough !
When the game first came out, my husband had this problem. All my friends had this problem. But I, who was actively trying to romance gale, didn't get any sort of acknowledgement of our relationship until the end of act 2. I was like "Are we playing the same game???"
Gale exists in several timelines at once. He will literally complain to you about making the wrong decision in a situation that hasn't even happened yet. This is probably a bug.
its a bit strange that gale specifically namedrops ao during the game, since part of the lore of the forgotten realms is that ao deliberately erased any mention of himself from existence, to the point where he refuses to give the few people who actually know of him and worship him magic. He did ease up on it eventually, but he still is not a well know figure by any means, so its a bit strange that gale mentions him so casually, as if he is certain you would know who he is.
tbh gale was a prodigy on his midst kinda like dr strange, and he literally dated a goddess, so... i guess him knowing about the all-mighty, at least by name, is actually reasonable
maybe the name is only being used as a "magic word" like YAHWEH is used in real incantations by occultists who are not Christian or Jewish? Gale wouldn't need to know anything about AO as a deity, only that the name carries power.
@@peters8512 no, he knows who Ao is and expects the MC to know about it too; after meeting Elminster you can ask him why doesn't Mystra intervene to defeat the Absolute, and he clearly states to Tav "I don't doubt she has the power to do so, but Ao surely won't let her mess with mortal affairs"
Not terribly different from the Sorcerer path, but we discussed interacting with the Weave more than we did Mystra. And then the fucker patronized me in the morning. "Oh, it was only easy because I helped you. Never mind that magic is in your blood by definition."
4:30 #3 is about what I would've pictured, as a straight man. Though it would include the other companions, and we'd be clinking our drink mugs together, in celebration of our defeat of the Absolute. Kind of disappointed too, that they couldn't get Tim to voice one last line, of Gale expressing delight at that thought.
@@tashisauce I think it depends on how much you help him- either through friendship alone or romancing him. I've seen people get the ending where Gale says he's completely forgotten Mystra, so it might've just been your specific choices.
@trashi522 I don't know if this was before the patch but, as I am currently romancing him, when I asked him if he still had feelings for Mystra, he said that of course he does and they're all complicated, that looking back he regrets his relationship with her bc he knows he was just a pawn to her, another plaything, he regrets hurting her but he wants something better with you. I think him being honest saying that he still has all these complicated feelings for her makes sense, he loved her for years even before they were in a relationship, she is everywhere in magic, not exactly an easy relationship to just be over.
@@wolfrock1997 Yeah, that's what he said to me... And I KNOW it's totally reasonable. But how could I move forward with a guy who's still so hung up on the past? How can I compete with his literal goddess???
Love how the game acknowledges so many variables! Makes it tempting to play a cleric but i really do not have the time... Playing a high Wisdom class and romancing him feels oddly on point, given his plotline! Becoming his common sense, in a way. I did end up dating Gale with a redeemed Durge Druid and it was actually really fun. Like all non-Astarion romances for Durge, it's missing a bit on reactivity to plot points but I don't regret it. My girl ended up being a bit too much of a gentle soul, Gale and the sense of normalcy he gave were much more of a better fit. ***Spoilers for Durge and Gale's romance epilogue ahead*** As redeemed Durge you get two extra options, as far as i'm aware, to Gale asking you to marry him. First one is basically rejoicing at the idea of having a True Actual Family at last which, given that Durge is a partial clone of Bhaal who was *created* and hence has no mother or actual family (more so after rejecting Bhaal), I found super sweet (I chose that one, no regrets). The other is like "fine, but we are *adopting* here" which... honest to god makes sense given that poor Durge's bloodline is way too messed up and any child is likely to inherit the problems if we look at Orin.
@@TheHeroWTF I don't even know why are you saying this to me in a video about his romance quest, but that's your loss, my man. Maybe make better choices, I don't care about your terrible playthrough.
I mean, every caster has their own dialogue options for this scene, their own way of following along with Gale. That being said, I don't know who else would have dialogue like this, except maybe another wizard? I've yet to play a Wizard Tav
I know it said gale approves but I Try and be nice to everyone and feel bad rejecting them. so when I picked the food and friendship option I saw it as a good out. but he still looked so sad that I felt bad and avoided the interaction all together.
The number of variables that are included in the game are simply astonishing. And all of it voice acted. This game more than deserves every price and every praise it got!
Larian mentioned that they’ve added friendly options for Gale in one of the patches since he was lacking those In older versions you could either love Gale back or straight out be cruel and hateful towards him
all romances were bugged until recently.... they were too easy and NPCs were too horny XD They fixed it up because, citing Larian 'you need to put a time and effort in relationship'
@ThePawcios haha everyone in camp thought I loved them... wasn't hard at all and very unwanted most of the time as I wanted ONE person. Did they actually fix it?
A god specific to the Forgotten Realms. As is the weave, a concept exclusive to Forgotten Realms. For some reason, a lot of D&D players misunderstand that bit of lore ... and I'm not sure why that is.
blame the settings that like to slurp in characters from ALL the other settings indiscriminately, and/or DMs who are faintly familiar with said character-vacuuming 'crossover' settings but don't know if/when a particular mechanic breaks outside its specific origin setting/inside its "host" setting because they didn't read the first version of the setting rules that mention it unlike later editions. (I've run into this with Ravenloft games and paladin/cleric players who think they're signing up for Devil May Cry D&D edition and end up playing an existential crisis because you get a dial tone instead of a god and detect good/evil stop working in absolutes and start working on what the character thinks is good or evil, when it does at all.)
@@neoqwertyMeanwhile latest edition "detect good/evil" doesn't detect good or evil at all. Instead it detects based on race/type "aberration, celestial, elemental, fey, fiend, or undead".
Take him everywhere with you, make kind and altruistic choices, go to sleep every five minutes. Also there's mod on nexus that warn's you if you have unseen events in camp, very useful if you hunting for dialogs
At launch it was bugged. A number of party members had their relationship values all screwy. Triggers were set real low for testing and weren't raised back up. This is why Gale acted like the rebound and lae'zael was so eager.
@@TheAussieBlue Good to know these, thanks. Tbh in my last run i managed to trigger this scene pretty early, was still messing around in the druid's grove when it happend. I'm not sure about it so don’t take my word as certainty, but it seemed that getting intimate with Astarion blocked it. So it happend when i knew he was a vampire but didn't spent the night with him.
Did you sleep with other companions? I wasn't getting romance scenes, so I tried dumping Lae'zel after we did the bunga bunga, next night Karlach's scene triggered, if I rejected her, another night Gale's scene triggered. It would not show up if I stayed with Lae'zel or accepted Karlach's advances.
Wanna see this magic trick?, yes. Next line... Wanna fuck?... wait wat? huh!?.. no? Gale: Sad puppy eyes... Then you Rest and Lae'zel jumps you.. aswell.. lmao. wtf
Yay, some people at least understand me. If you have no clue about D&D i can imagine you don't ecven think about it. But i'm a Mystra fan and i don't really agre with the way, Larian depicts Mystra in BG3. Sorry, but in the Ketheric fight scene it seems like she's willing to sacrifice not only Ga
Going against Mystra is a quick way for Gale to become an ex-person. If this puny mortal actually thinks he can become a god with the crown you are in for a surprise lol
Yeah, I don't quite like what Larian did to Kelemvor or Loviatar either. _(Hell, even how they_ pronounce _Loviatar's name bugs me.)_ So it feels like one of those times where you're just not seeing eye-to-eye with a new DM. 🤷♀
Don't forget that Mystra is true neutral. She doesn't really care about morality or lawfulness, she only looks out for herself and her domain. That's why there are evil wizards that can use the weave as they like, no matter how much wrong they do. One of Mystras Chosen is litteraly an evil Dracolich expirimenting with powerful magic, but Mystra only cares about the last part: Furthering Magic and therefor herself by having wizards study it.
The hell is a cleric of mystra? Isnt mystra the goddess of magic? Isn't _Gale_ a better cleric of mystra than anything the cleric class will have? Can someone who knows dnd help me?
@@dreamerofthornsimagine Mystra as the Goddess of Swords. people who use swords would pray to her but that doesn't make them sword priests. in that version of the story gale is a really good swordsman who eventually caught his Gods attention. meanwhile the priests are in the background being like "oh great she's found another mortal she thinks is cute, remember, nod respectfully and try not to piss off the boss"
Clerics aren't just worshippers, they're advertising boards and public faces of a God. Gale definitely worships Mystra, but he's not exactly converting people or servicing a church to her in order to bring in more followers.
@@garion046 Yeah I was just about to comment that Clerics are basically the PR people of their deities, trying to amass more & more normies under their respective deities, kinda like how Goddesses of Harvest or w/e still have clerics despite the world being littered w/ farmers anyway who outnumber the clergy as is
Every single thing Gale responds with. Is his normal dialog. Why the fuck did they go through the effort of even allowing you to select a different option if he says the exact same thing
This is a silly question. It’s just another way to get through the dialog that is a little more accurate to your character if you happen to be a cleric of mystra. If there was nothing there people would ask why there weren’t options.
@@SonicBoyster That makes no sense. For how much effort Larion put into this. It's More silly to imagine they added additional . dialog options but has no additional voice lines. Considering everything else they were able to cover. This just seems like a bug and there should be other dialog that Gale speaks.
Those options aren't about Gale, they are about you. As a Cleric of Mystra these things come easy to you. That's all these options signify. To Gale it makes little difference.
I had that dialogue. too. But my Mystra cleric/ bard is always very cute and understanding, not so ...masculine. She knows always what to say to Gale . ;) You will still have moments whe it gets weird to serve Mystra under the circumstances and the way the godess treats Gale later. I only say "War of Roses". But my cute little elf convionced thze guy that it's better to date someone who is mortal by now. :D
@@JB-xl2jc It's pretty weird even when you're not a cleric of Mystra. Gale reminds me of a toxic player in D&D with a backstory that I would never let pass as a DM, yet Larian through it would be a good idea to add that Gary Stu to the game...
@@WallySketch Gary Stu? Bro, he fucked around and found out. Nothing Gary Stu about him. Don't get me wrong, he's the most boring companion, but it's not like he's horribly written.
@@doomerbloomer6160 The "tragic backstory" or "fallen from grace backstory" is very common with Mary Sue/Gary Stu. The moment Gale is in your group, he makes everything revolves around him. If he dies, you HAVE to bring him back or the game ends. He has an ending dedicated to himself where he is the tragic hero. His ex-girflriend is a goddess, because of course she is. He is treated as one of the most important magician of the world, knows everything about magic and always have word of wisdom to share. He even solve some riddles for you if you have him in your group because he is so smart and everything is easy for him. I am sorry but he is 100% a Gary Stu.
