Baldur's Gate 3 - Withers intervenes after the Dark Urge defies Bhaal! (Act 3) 

Well he is a god after all, the one that gave power to those said 3 in the first place.

@@BluEclipse94 i kinda got the feeling he was jergal.

@@Erisscarlet he is Jergal

what a chad

@@BluEclipse94 so why did he ascend them to godhood if he hates them

you don't say, lol

He literally was just like “fuk u Ball he’s my kid now”

aka Jergal, god of trols lololol

dead three: aw you're no fun Withers: No

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Helm

Its cause their wasting souls. Turning them illithid ans making their souls disappear. If they were just doing another casual murder spree Withers couldnt care less.

when you write the rules, you also know where the loopholes are

"As thou hast fallen, I am charged to record thine name, but alas forgetful Withers- its Spelling escapes my recollection. Wouldst Thou rise once more to remind me?"

"He only killed his blood, not you."

@@delphy2478 not sure if he wrote this, Kelemvor, god of death and judge in another game (where the player is breaking the rules), say when he started as god, he allowed some freedom of religion, but then people stoped to care about the gods, and so the change was made, the penance in the Fugue Plane, and the Wall of the Faithless, he says stopped to think like a man, and started to act like a god.

⁠@@pbonfanti I keep hearing different stories about the fugue plane... is jergal not the god of the dead? I know kelemvor is a entity in dnd lore but is not touched on much. To me, it seems both withers, myrkul, and kelemvore's job descriptions are very similar. I understand there's subtle differences, such as kelemvore being a "judge" and withers being more "scribe" and myrkul being more "I like bones", but doesn't it seem sorta confusing and redundant to have 3 gods of death?

bro i swear i spilled my tea all over my keyboard when i read this u literally made my day and now i need another keyboard

W. M. Bison

He's Jergal, the original god of death and exarch of the dead three. It IS tuesday for him.

casual tuesday.

More like a short break

He's a god. That's pretty much what all of them do.

He is not a god, he incarnate a DM…

@@JankyDice96he is jergal

⁠@@JankyDice96he’s clearly Jergal. And he’s effectively using the players to clean up the mess he inadvertently created when he gave Bhaal, Bane and Myrkul his portfolio and stepped down.

@@brandonjohnson9876 he’s even worse than the dream visitor in that regard. Literally everybody just wants our help cleaning up messes that THEY MADE. IM JUST A DUDE LOOKING FOR ADVENTURE SOLVE YOUR OWN MF PROBLEMS

That's an interesting idea. As a DM, I could definitely see that happening in a game given proper circumstances (such as the ones here and the setup would have to be made). However, I'd like to submit an idea that he is Jergal... He's a record keeper, he's a scribe, his utter distain towards the Dead Three. The most convincing of all clues though are these two: 1) Loading Screen Tip: "The Dead Three - Bhaal, Bane, and Myrkul - were all once mortal men, but ascended to godhood in a strange bargain with Jergal, the original god of death, murder, and strife." 2) Crumbled Journal found in the Gorion Mausoluem (in Graveyard in Lower City in Act 3) contains the following { I was still a supplicant when I came face to face with him: Masked in gold, his skin fine and worn as parchment. Jergal, the death-keeper, the End of Everything. I asked what he needed of me. He asked a simple question: "What is the worth of a single mortal's life?" I knew not how to respond, and said as such. He seemed nonplussed; neither disappointed nor pleased. I fell to my knees in respect for his awesome power. This garnered no reaction. There I stayed, trembling with an emotion I could not name. And when I stood again, the Finale Scribe was gone. } I only found this note a while after I posted this video. I swear, every playthrough I find things I never knew existed - it's amazing!

​@@Setherioi believe several notes in the game files refer to Withers as Jergal as well!

@@Setherio It's pretty much confirmed, that Withers is Jergal. He even referred to himself as a scribe in this very video. His power over Death is insane. When you play as Karlach and die at the end, he visits you in the afterlife. The afterscene where he talks to The Dead Three kinda makes it obvious that he is a god. Also you find him in a Jergal temple, with the statue of Jergal, which is a skeleton (although he doesn't look like Withers that much)

@@Setherio To add: When you find him - the tomb does describe him as many of his titles. With a 20 check as a paladin - i could sense his energy which was described as: Divine energy - yes. Like death itself, inescapable and overwhelming. He's also avoiding questions which he explains as part of the divine rules. There is also the ending after credits in which he shows authority of the dead 3 on a personal tone.

Or an avatar of Jergal

Yeah even if you were being a complete lunatic throughout your playthrough (which i was all my companions were dead by this time i reached the Bhaal temple) which is hilarious to me because at that point he has to know that you're most likely going to dominate the netherbrain

I think it's a Mummy thing

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Withers: "Verily, it is not akin to the fact that I am akin to thee, fool" What Withers: "It's not like I like you, baka!" WHAT Withers: "Oh for- Just save the fucking day already!"

That’s how gods talk. I know it’s been said before but I’m almost positive that withers is actually Jergal. Nobody except Jergal or Ao(dnd god of gods, ruler of all) could do what he did in this scene

​@@BobBob-qq9xnhe himself more or less keeps saying it. Not in word to word, dude is very heavily insisting on his retirement, but he uses every other title but that one.

Since Jergal at this point isn't strictly speaking a captial G God anymore, I'm not sure how much authority Ao actually has to stop him.

​@@snykyninja5632I'm sure he could he probably just saw it and went ah whatever i don't like Bhaal anyway

@@snykyninja5632 theory is that it's Ao who sent Jergal to help us: "you fucked up with the dead three, now clean up your mess." Might be why he's so grumpy.

@@snykyninja5632 it's been a very long time. But to my understanding. Jergal wasn't a normal god to begin with. He never had quite the same rules as most of the gods, jsut like Ao doesn't have to follow most of the rules they have to either. So while technically less powerful for giving up undesired parts of his portfolio's to the Dead Three, he is still not powerless and is still by all rights a god. Ao the all seeing is the one he mentions when you first meet Withers, having already seen much of what would come to pass, and the multiple ways it could go. I don't think it's jsut about cleaning up his mess either, otherwise that could have been tended to in BG2... and technically was...

@@zaelheimricht4978 I'm pretty sure it's actually Helm who does it, but he's essentially an agent of Ao. I like how in the beginning he clearly doesn't want to be doing this, but as the game progresses realises that the dark urge is cool as fuck and decides to revive him even though he doesn't have to.

For as Blunt as Bhaal has always been, he has also always been surprisingly skilled at Deception and Theatrics. usually leaning more towards the Theatrics.

this story was already kinda writen

You didn't put that together in his temple?

So who was the mykul ketheric was?

Withers is actually Jergal, the god of the End. He held the power of Bane, Bhaal and Myrkul. But he got bored of his position. When the Bhaal, Myrkul and Bane were still mortal adventurers, they seeked power. Jergal made a deal with them and divided up his powers and portfolio among the three of them, making them the god of Tyranny, Murder and Death respectively. He himself just became a scribe. Wheb Withers said that he is merely a scribe, that was when i knew he was indeed Jergal. ​@@arisgolseen2693

@@arisgolseen2693 He’s jergal Scribe of the dead

Damn you got the best possible context before seeing this scene for the first time

@@gabrielemblem605 I’ve seen comments people made about how resisting the urge and later rejecting the Bhaal gift is so satisfying but I never saw any vids so never would I have thought I’d really be killed by Bhaal first. During the cinematic I was really hoping or rather begging for Withers to intervene and stop the kill, but no, my character had to be really be slain first lol. Just when I thought I’ve seen all the scenarios that Larian really has my character killed.

Yes there's a glaring lack of companions interactions in act 3, hope they fixed it in Definitive Edition

Just play D&D with good roleplayers. Problem solved. 😉 I've had so many emotional moments and fun times these past 5 years.

@@Cavmonsterlot harder to coordinate a bunch of adults with different work schedules than it is to turn on your pc. I agree cus I love dnd but it’s not easy for everyone to find kindred spirits who enjoy dnd, there’s so many terrible groups and players out there too

yeah finding a good group to roleplay with that isnt cringe or overacting is even harder@@BobBob-qq9xn

Yep, your romance partner kneeling before Durge's lifeless body with tears in his/her eyes, holding their hand, and a little anticipation, maybe like moving a camera a bit to the exit, giving player a moment to think "damn that's it", only for Wither to interfere, would have been even more epic!

😂😂😂😂

Huh... i wonder if by giving the dead three their godhood, he was able to change from the pitiless one. This feels like an act of mercy Jergal wouldnt have original granted

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Simply known as Bone Man

I mean, Jergal was more of a God of observation than a God of death anyways. His entire thing was taking notes about peoples stories and making sure they went were they were supposed to.

​@@ThreeGoddessestrue, the games does directly say he was *the* death god tho. hence the Jergal temple

@birdfurnace that's not what I said. Jergal was more interested in recording the lives of those who died than in being a death God, which is why he gave up his portfolios to the dead 3. Jergal just wanted to observe things dying in fulfilling and meaningful ways.

​@@birdfurnace Jergal where the god of dead in times so ancient, that gods like Selune and Shar were not even born. The was the bleak Seneschal of the death gods after him. Times so long ago that not many remembered or lets say worshipped him still, so he only had power for manifesting one avatar, which was Withers. And yes he is right he stepped down back then and just wanted to observe and scribe and what else

we don't really know the details of why Jergal gave up his power. It could be that the dead 3 were a true danger to him, so he said fuck it i'll let y'all fuck it up and come back once you've fallen apart, which the dead 3 have over and over.

He doesnt. He was an avatar of Jergal, a former god of death from ancient times.

I dont thin it was revivify it was mor likely Resurrection's or True Resurrections

@@andrasfischer3778it is in fact neither spell, where matters of life and death are concerned he is eternally called, he simply took your soul from the fugue plane and put it back in your body

​@@achilles8804 it was True Resurrection, the game says so in the combat log

I mean, it's Jergal, implying he needs to cast anything in order to bring someone to or from life is a stretch, it should be as natural to him as walking. @@achilles8804

Plus, a voice like a velvet thesaurus

Well, he is a former god of death, so ancient, that neither Shar nor Selune nor Loth was born by then.

Dark Urge is the canon character when it comes to how it connects all three Baldur’s Gate games. The other origin characters have no stake in the Bhaal story.

​@@jnesis555Dark Urge being a Bhallspawn also coonect them to the story of BG1 and BG2 where it is all about the planned resurrection of Bhall.

@@kuyagab4444 But then the second sundering happened, so all you did in first and second games was for nothing. Great to know.

@@BIGESTblade somewhere out there Gorion's Ward probably says something like "FUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKK!!!!!!"

@@kuyagab4444 He's probably in Bhaal's divine realm too, boy he must be regretting his life choices now.

*The virgin greater gods:* But intruding into mortal matters will surely anger Ao!11!!! *The Chad Jergal:* The supplication of Bane, the whimper of Bhaal, the death mewl of Myrkul. Vermin, away!

​@@user-sl7ie9te5r Jergal made the Dead Three into Gods because he was bored with his job, now he'll always have someone to laugh at.

@@citcoin-official2681 dude was so pragmatic he created an eternal laughing stock for his retirement

Just wanted to give a heads up there's a mod for the pc version where no mindflayer transformation is needed so everybody lives🎉

@@mephistilian1498 that’s pretty damn cool if you don’t wanna pole up, I just think that for this run it makes sense for my redeemed gith durge to sacrifice his body/soul for the sake of Orpheus and baezel

@@mephistilian1498 THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH

​@@Crippling_Depression I'd have loved to get The Emperor and Orpheus on the same page, even if it meant fighting them both.

He also calls out every character who doesn't have a partner basically saying they have no rizz 😂

Hey man, recall that when all is dust and bone, it won’t matter

@@thedarkderp2520Withers: No bitches..?

To be fair, telling you that you are the murderer, one of those who were actually reponsible for current crisis is vastly different from him commenting on who you do or do not sleep with 🤣 First off, my char. would not even believe him... Imagine the situation: Some ghastly, dead dude just arrived at camp and started talking about you being one of the worst mortal pieces of shit there is 🤣 And even if MC believed Withers, then what? You cannot run away or u become Illithid. The only result this it could have is to push MC towards enslaving brain instead of killing it. Withers made the right choice, based on his understanding of the nature of the mortals. They would not believe and even if they did, there is literally nothing they could do about it. Worse in fact, some of the companions may even attempt to kill MC for getting them infected(if i remember correctly, originally it was DU char. that helped enslave that brain, not Orin).

Typical grandpa behavior

Considering the original two Baldurs gate games, I expect it was at some point.

IIRC upon reading some articles, the DUrge playthrough is technically the 'canon' one.

I took the slayer form and tore orin apart in two or three turns lol

@@zebraforceone didn't know you could get that form before the fight, is that if you do an evil run?

@@MB-bl4nl dark urge act 2, you'll be told you can kill someone to receive a "tithe"

Gaunter still has it to me just because of how twisted he is, and if the common theory of who Gaunter is: how it twists the world. Withers is not much of a mystery who he is. and while it is a surprise it's as cutting as Gaunter is. Ad Gaunter really only gives REALLY vague hints while Withers... well the game screams his identity at you.

Well seeing as Withers is Jergal, it's not surprising. He might have handed 3/4ths of his power off to the dead three because he wanted to be a shut in. But that doesn't change the fact that he is the original god of death.

@@galenjones9529 and there is a strong case that their power is still his power since he wasn't killed for it, he just lent it to them. if he tried to take it back he might have some trouble doing so, or he might not. but then again, one of the powers and/or titles that he kept for himself was Lord of the End of Everything, so he is the dude who gets to say when a god dies.

We all thought the dead three were the ultimate orchestrators of this whole thing, when it turns out, the weird ass skeleton man is the one who's playing everyone like chess

One is an evil god of death that is using an elderbrain to disrupt balance and the other is Mystra. Different gods have different respect in Wither's eyes

Feel that. Trying to do The Bard Urge and it’s rather interesting so far

@@ysgramorssoupspoon LOL, I can only imagine it’s like a Metalocalypse episode.

You can still be good and defy your Urge. This is what will happen if you successfully break away from daddy Bhaal.

it's less that he's directly hiding it and more that he just refuses to proclaim or confirm it

You can if you're a cleric or a Paladin. It's like a 25DC skill check of wisdom if I remember correctly. You understand that he has a divine aspect and he just doesn't elaborate.

Jergal, the god of the end of everything, more like the god of understatement

​@@kaanmuhammedgunes1879 playing a paladin durge feels satisfying because of these unique dialogues. It also ties up the redemption story and it explains the divine connection with Jergal. The redeemed paladin durge basically becomes a demigod and Jergal's new chosen

pretty sure withers was talking to your soul the whole time, not your ears