I remember back when I got an SSD specifically to install league of legends on it just so I could load faster..... then I realized you had to wait for all of the players anyways
Same, bought the cheapest 1 TB TLC SATA SSD (seriously always buy TLC over QLC) as my 1TB HDD was showing sings of impending failure. The difference is huge.
@@HK__01 Triple-level cell (TLC) contains three bits per cell, while quad-level cell (QLC) contains four bits per cell. But QLC's are much prone to failure than TLC's and also it's life span.
These tests were done on systems that were all fresh reinstalls. I'm building a computer for someone to be used for 8 or 10 years, and I doubt they will reinstall or will just have tons of malware on it. I remember you guys once made a video on what it's like to have a system where you cloned an old OS to an SSD and pitted them against each other. I would like to see that redone.
Well let's just say I built my i5 4430 system in 2013 with a Kingmax PRO ssd w/e it's name was. 120GB, expensive. Shit still runs as fast as it did all those years ago. If anything is making things slower is my CPU when multitasking. But the general speed of the PC is as far as the eye can see, the actual same.
Thought that was a fly, then he’s like, “hey editor bring it back”. Then I think it’s gonna be some joke about the difference between 3000mb speed and 4000mb speed. Then he hit me with the sponsor. I feel dooped. But hey I’d rather that over his usual intro. Good job Linus, wait to show these kids how to properly introduce sponsors in 2020. ;)
Same here haha Thought someone threw something then thought well maybe it's some graph about different speeds but got positively surprised to see it was a sponsor - not because I like that particular sponsor but because it was a very creative way to do it. Kudos! :D
I'd say were over that point BY NOW. But wait another 5 years when data rates will have doubled again... Remember the time when 1gb was "a lot"? Back then a 100mb/s HDD would have been all you needed. Today it is called slow as hell.
My first computer was my mom's Gateway 2000 running Windows 95. It had only 1gb of storage. (I used it in the early 2000's). For 3-year-old me, it was amazing! 🤣😂
@@RBRM3 Yes he does now. Try making a Tech Event in Vancouver. Is he going to annoy The manufacturers? YUP. Does he need Intel/NVidia/AMD or whoever to sponsor his tests? NOPE. His YT revenue alone will allow him to bash whomever he wants when he wants. LTT has many faucets each bringing in $$$$. Do I agree with them? I am Canadian, so I must say SORRY, but I do agree in many respects. The overblown setups I never watch, but those are great "Fillers" for the Hard Core viewers. As for OP, SSD's cost what now $60-80. WOW, LTT is going to go Bankrupt!!
@@Noah_316 for gaming alone, a sata ssd is totally fine. Only put the newest and demanding titles on an nvme if you want to extend its life. But for the majority of games, you will not notice the difference
@@Noah_316 You won't notice a difference in games like CS:GO which are compact and optimized, other than initial load time, but something like Path of Exile which has a lot of textures, uses texture streaming and dynamic loading, a faster SSD matters a lot. If you're not willing to spend top dollar just get a decent M.2 NVMe SSD with dedicated DRAM and something like 1.5-2.5k write speeds, the newest ones that reach 5k are deep into diminishing returns.
@@Noah_316 I’m kinda late, but for gaming Sata is more than enough, it will never utilize the speed Nvme provides, use nvme for your video or photo storage where the high speed read will really really benefit. you can see comparison video as well, if nvme is around 4 times the speed, then games should load 4 times faster, except they don’t, they only load a few seconds quicker than Sata.
@@Noah_316 for gaming? no games as far as I know actually take advantage of gen 4 read speeds, so any ssd will be good enough as long as it's a decent quality one with dram. For video editing and other demanding productivity? You could actually see benefits for faster ssd speeds. For light productivity? Any ssd will basically feel the same.
10:22 it's all perception based. The SATA being the first one tested had no point of reference, and so the perceived snappy-ness of it was amplified. Any slow downs or hitches in the second system were immediately picked up on and thus it felt slower. The third one would provide a little bit of confusion or doubt as to which was the fastest as it had two points of reference.
Would have been interesting to have each person start with a random choice between the three of them, to see if THAT made any difference to what they perceived. It's really interesting to think ALL of them chose the one which is theoritically the slowest as the one which felt the fastest.
@@the_prado NVME and SATA are not physical dimensions you can have a SATA m.2 ssd and a NVME m.2 ssd Western digital blue is a good example of this it being a SATA m.2 drive
When I finally went from a hdd to ssd it was literally night and day. But I definitely feel like once you have any ssd, any upgrades are just diminishing returns
My wallet and I are so very happy to learn this information. I got my first m.2 SSD a few days ago, was a little disappointed I couldn't afford an NVME one and now I learn I wouldn't have been able to tell the difference anyway. So awesome. Gives me so much more freedom to upgrade my other machines without worrying about what I might be missing.
I really like comparisons like this. It steps away from the sterile area of measurements and numbers and instead moves it towards perception. It's nice to know what is theoretically faster, but when it comes to making purchasing decisions - to actually acting upon the info provided - I think that these sorts of blind tests are absolutely the way to go.
From my experience, I only noticed a difference between SATA and NVMe when transferring files or when compressing/extracting files. I haven't felt any difference in the boot time of the OS or in gaming. Although the difference between any SSD and any HDD is more significant.
For me the biggest boon to having a fast drive is boot times. Comes especially in clutch when a game crashes while I'm in a match and I can reboot and relog in 30 seconds.
I second this. I'm a Linux user and I have an insane desktop widget setup that takes ages to load with my current HDD, but with an SSD it takes minutes.
I upgraded my laptop from 250 GB Crucial P2 to 2 TB WD Black SN850X, and I am noticing the difference in loading times while playing The Elder Scrolls Online.
yeah, i upgraded from a drive that was around 500 read/write and now im at over 3k and i load into Tarkov Scav runs at the same time as my friends. before id be loading for several minutes extra while my friends were already loaded in because they have fast drives. its such a game changer. i even notice it with how quick a chrome window or any window opens. my motherboard is only gen 3, i cant even imagine how good it will be when i eventually upgrade to gen 4, or probably 5 when they come out
The only reason I went for an 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD for my PC was because when I compared the price to an 1TB SSD SATA they cost almost the same. Had the SATA one been way cheaper, I definitely would have got it.
Which drive are you comparing?? Decent hard drives (likes seagate barracuda and wd blue) with 2 tb storage option costs 40$ less than good ssd (crucial mx500 or sandisk ultra 3) with 1 tb storage option, how can they almost the same price is beyond me Edit: at least it is in my country. 1tb Mx500 cost around 100$ while 2tb seagate and wd blue costs around 60$
I just have to say this.. As a gamer I would like to owe all my appreciation and love to SSDs. They are truly the life blood of enjoying gaming. God bless you SSD!
yep even a small SSD as a boot drive in combination with HDDs made difference night and day in system responsivnes and loading times. I'm about to ditch HDDs and go all SSD fast times ahead
I think SSD changed my life more as a computer user than as a gamer. Loading faster and having less pop in in nice, but man, Windows being responsive is in another level.
LaBlobb Here, I'll save you the bother and share my comment directly to you haha. I warn you it's long because I discuss into things! My old (SATA) Samsung Evo 850 has met it's match by a game.... Kingdom Come Deliverance! In the more busy towns I get bloody loading screens that actually take a little bit when I make my character wash him self off in a trough.... (Gotta stay clean in this game or people won't respect you!) Heaven forbid running this game on even my higher performance hard drive...... This game would of made a great test I feel! Because till now, every game I bothered to put on this SSD because I was noticing annoying load times it handled without any issues and it's an old school SATA drive from 7+ years ago! The next generation of games is coming with the next gen consoles that all will have higher performance SSD's! Soon I feel SSD will become more mandatory.... A game like Doom tho I'd gladly would of just left on my Toshiba X300 HDD..... Waiting a little longer for a level to load in is no big deal.... Loading times popping up in the middle of an open world game, or seeing pop in that could perhaps be caused by a slower speed drive.... anything like that..... Unacceptable! So they go on my SSD..... My next build will have a Samsung EVO 970 M.2 drive (When I got the extra cash) I really look forward to seeing the difference it will make on Kingdom Come Deliverance! The old Evo 850 will be retired to be 100% my "fast" gaming drive. With the Evo 970 being my OS drive, and reserved for the most demanding games! (Same role the old Evo 850 has done for 7+ years) Also FUCK DRAMless SSD's! GARBAGE! Replaced a failed old higher end SanDIsk SSD with DRAM, with a Kingston A400, on a first gen I5 laptop..... Yes I noticed a huge difference running windows on it! Didn't think it would matter since the laptop was so old..... But the DRAMless A400 acts as a bottleneck now! Better then a HDD...... Maybe kinda yes.... The difference was surprisingly huge! (100% done as experiment!) Now.... On that topic.... I wonder how important DRAM is on a SSD for games! Loading the data in the game I assume is more of a straight and easy to follow path, cache won't be used as MUCH as vs running Windows..... (Extreme multi tasking) Of course cache will help! But I think that would be an interesting comparison! Because I wonder in this SSD based future for games if I can save a few bucks on a DRAMless SSD for SOME modern games. (I'm sure Kingdom Come would make the A400 it's bitch......) So I do mean SOME....
@@TheIdleCrow Ye open world games are really nice to have on an SSD. When I have bought my first SSD, I noticed a huge performance improvement even in Diablo 3 (and in system boot time, of cause). It was interesting to notice, that even with a game with small maps is going to profit from an SSD. Some question about my setup and how to improve it: I have two SSDs in my current system, but want to upgrade to 970 evo just for games and applications. My concern is if there are some disadvantages using multiple SSDs in a single system. Since I don't want to throw away my old SSDs (128GB Samsung 850PRO and 500GB Samsung 850EVO) my plan is the following setup: 850PRO -> For Windows and drivers 850EVO -> For Downloads and other temporary stuff 970EVO plus (1tb) -> For games and appications In theory this should give me the maximum performance out of these drives. The system will be using different interfaces to access data either for windows/drivers or games/applications or other data, which should cause less load on each of them. This is just the idea. Don't know if this gonna work or even make any difference in performance. Never seen some tests on such a setup. But this seems the best usage of the old SSDs to me if I will buy that new sexy NVME drive. Anybody has some other useful ideas. Because I will put the 970EVO into my system anyway, just still want to have some meaningful usage of my old SSDs.
@@leblobb Wouldn't have imagined performance games in Diablo 3, it still sits on one of my HDD's not even my best HDD! Now onto your question, I have never heard of any disadvantage to having multiple SSD's. The only real disadvantage of an SSD in general is they can only re write data so many times compared to a hard drive. But its starting to become less and less of an issue as they advance even more so with the front runners like Samsung! So in theory if you loaded up one of your SSD's with games and never changed (delete and replace) things and kept it more less the same the SSD should last you "forever". My opinion is the Evo 970 should be used for your windows Install, It has crazy high performance being a NVMe drive! Its far faster then all your older drives, and will see the most benefit behind Windows it self plus games. (Plenty of space for both, just put the most demanding games on it) This drive also has a crazy rewrite lifespan of up to 1,200 TBW! compared to the 850 EVO of 75 TBW! The difference is night and day now! With these new SSD's I wouldn't be surprised if they can out live a HDD since they got no moving parts! So EVO 970 100% use it for Windows! & the most demanding games! I wouldn't use any of your old SSD's for downloads and temporary stuff because of there limited rewrite life spans.... Just get a cheap 1tb HDD and keep that in there for temp stuff! Perfectly fine for pictures and videos and such. I would use both the 850 Pro and the 850 EVO for games! If you leave your games on your drives like I do, they would hopefully last "forever" in quotes because I know nothing lasts forever. Best use for them! So my conclusion is don't worry about the EVO 970, it's a kick ass drive and is your best option to handle both Windows, and Games. Because of its long rewrite life, and ultra high performance!
@@dalehammers4425 except that my dell poweredge t20 boots from a sata ssd in 5 seconds while my new selfbuilt rig with an Nvme that is supposed to be 5 times as fast takes 15 seconds to boot up.
The two things you can do with an older system that really make huge impact, is replace HDD with SSD - and a clean OS install. For old SI, compact and laptops, just make sure you can get all the drivers _first,_ before formatting. Also check temps under load, make sure it isn't thermal trottling due to 8-10yo TIM and dust-clogged air cooler.
well yea but I still personaly prefer m.2 just because once you screw it on the motherboard it's bearly visible ,and doesn't require any cables wich are pain in the ass
I just bought warhammer 2 and haven't installed it yet. I do have a 970 EVO plus 500gb on my PCIe x4 slot and just ordered a 1 TB 970 EVO for my x2 slot. So you would advise putting total war on the first slot? And what do you think the differences might be between the two if I may ask? (ballpark would be great too!)
@Ronix 97 Alright, I think that's the x4 slot (it are PCIe 3.0 slots, unless I understood your question incorrectly [B450 Aorus elite]) , which is the fastest. Though so you think the difference between x2 and x4 is pretty large for TW games? Idk if you could give me a ballpark of loading times on these options (if you know, ofc)? I haven't played TW since Rome 2 (which I didn't like compared to the awesomeness that was/is Rome 1)
@@Sam-ko8mt ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4TsMv53pg_E.html You'll see even faster speeds than the PCIe SSD he uses there. And you can see there is a gap there between PCIe and SATA SSDs for Total War games, unlike the much much smaller gap for most other games.
@@StormEagle5 Alright, thanks! Yeah the thing is that my motherboard has 2 lane and 4 lane PCLe slots, (the x2 would still be like 4 times faster than SATA, theoretically - not load time) but I guess in most games it doesn't matter. I might install the games on both drives myself to see if the diff is big or not on those slots. Though if the diff between SATA and PCLe (probably 4x) is only 12 sec (40 and 28 in the vid you shared) I guess it doesn't really matter all that much, though I'd have to see how it runs on my system.
that's the point.. if you can't tell wich one really fast then in practical sense it's not really that different.. pshycological effect wont be a thing in 1st place if in practical use nvme/pcie 4 is much2 faster.. well if one is already have 2 second loading time, became 2x faster than that just reduce 1 second.. are really can see that difference?
@@krisyannuruha5147Having everyone try the computers in the same order introduced bias. I don't remember the name of the phenomenon, but people often rate highly or remember fondly their first experience which colours their later opinions.
@@noleftturnunstoned i know but it happen because the difference is very little.. if they put pc with hdd 1st and 2nd ssd, i'm sure they can tell the difference..
Yup... I tell people all the time get the largest SSD you can for the money, do not waste money on a faster SSD at the expense of a larger SSD... the biggest gain is going from no SSD to SSD, after that size is almost always more important
@@nlknighteagle5847 I paid $100 for a 1Tb PCIe 3.0 NVMe drive, the same price as a any other legacy SSD drive. PCIe 4.0 gets you 40% more performance for 70% more money.
Great video. nvme drives are so fast, that the speed of the newer ones barely matters. For a pc gamer, a nvme load times in games is only 1 to 2 seconds faster than a regular ssd. Once your drive is 500 MB/s read / write speeds, it barely matters for the average user. The quality of the drive matters the most.
There are older games, which were designed for HDD loading speeds, that give you important tips or other info on the loading screens, that load so fast that you don't have time to read when running the game from a SSD on SATA 2 , let alone a PCIe 3.0 one.
Linus: Woah! What was that? Me: Don’t let it be the sponsor. Linus: Could you zoom in on that Editor? Me: Looks like it could be SSD data Linus: If you look really closely, you can see... Me: Please let it be SSD data... Linus: *OUR SPONSOR!!!* Me: :/
@@Khloya69 UFS vs NVMe is a toss-up at best (iirc NVMe wins in sequential, UFS in random and for real-world it is irrelevant). Apple is also using a non-standard controller for their internal flash chips, which most companies don't have the capability to do.
Wow. Your sponsor ad got me. I caved in how good the delivery of that was. So I just watched it without skipping it. This is like Linus way to Rick Roll.
Regarding sata ssd's, would there be any benefit to having a Sata III M.2 ssd connected through an adapter to the PCIE Gen 3 slot on the motherboard instead of having a Sata III ssd connected through the regular sata port/connector? Would the PCIE connection offer any less latency than the sata port connect? There seem to be hundreds of videos on youtube and thousands of articles on the internet about Sata SSD's but I have not come across any addressing this question, not in the slightest.
indeed do NOT ignore the sound, its a deathshriek having had multiple harddrives doing that that sound is death, its never a fluke. You might experience it going away at first and heavy slowdowns and boots.. and now its an expencive paperweight. Back up your files asap :)
I legit bought a Gen 4 NVMe to put Monster Hunter World on and it is noticeably faster than it was on my SSD, but that's just because you load maps so damn often, and they're huge.
I hate SSD compared to my HDD because there are numerous things i can do like -Make Coffee -Eat Breakfast -Tend over my Mom's garden -Cleaning my room -Helping my dad working on his car -Eat lunch -Sleep -Read books -Eat Dinner -Wash dishes And lastly Contimplate about my life And just on time as i sit on my chair my PC is still loading.
Depends on the game. I play a lot of MMOs and HD speed is an issue. After my new build I noticed textures taking time to load, which I never saw on my older, slower system. Then I realized the game was sitting on an old sata ssd. Moved it to my NVME and problem solved.
You're right. I've noticed similar improvements with games like Kingdom Come where textures are being loaded in as you move all the time. The improvement is so good that I'd say at least sata SSD should be recommended spec if it isn't already. I would like to see comparisons on that with the different drives.
I'll be honest. I would be extremely thappy with one of those 3 systems. I just havent been able to afford it at all lately. Ugh someday I will get a nice pc!
Best way to mention a sponsor lmao well done, well done. Also just watched your new video on building a pc with your daughter and her counting was the cutest thing I have ever seen in my life.
I regular play Division 2 which is a large open world shooter. I used to only have a HDD and I would constantly drop frames because I would have to wait for the world to load. Ever since I got an SSD I have never had this problem.
