Does A Song of Ice and Fire Have A Future? 

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It's 2040, George R. R. Martin promises he's still working on A Song of Ice and Fire despite being dead for 10 years

After seeing what happened with Wheel of Time, I have at least some confidence that someone will bring closure to this series no matter what happens. I just hope George has the wisdom to recognize when he passes the point of no return with his own energy and health. Rather than watch someone like Brandon Saunderson pick up the pieces after his death, wouldn’t it be better for George himself to work through a writing team? I believe he does this a little already - he’s talked about his two assistants who help him keep all the lore straight. I hope he has the humility to ask for all the help he really needs. We know that’s not zero help, at this point. Only he can answer how much help he needs to close this series right. After the way the show got away from him, maybe he’s gun shy about losing control. I hope he finds a way to get the best of help + control and finish the book on his terms with time left over to enjoy the last chapters of his life.

The only way I could imagine Dream of Spring possibly coming out (in George's lifetime) would be if he had a straight line to the finish in sight, no more loose ends or unresolved plot threads to still figure out, which could allow for a more stream lined approach to his writing process. If he still has a bunch of problems left yet to be solved (as he did for Winds) it will never be completed by him alone.

If Cormac McCarthy is able to make two great novels at 89. I have my hopes for this one, plus both are from Sante Fe, NM!

Is there an equivalent to Koji Mori for GRRM? Mori was the best friend of Kentaro Miura, the mangaka for Berserk, and an author as well. Miura gave him an outline for the end and throughout his life would bounce ideas with Mori. Koji Mori even helped Miura draw the infamous eclipse scene.

My hope is that George knows he has written himself into a corner, and is taking to long because he is writing Dream in addition to Winds, to ensure they line up with one another and all the POV characters that make it into Dream reach a satisfying conclusion. So in my best hopes, when Winds is published, Dream could be 75% done.

Just finished Dance a few days ago. Ok so I'm ready for Winds to come out now. Sorry ya'll bit George was just waiting for me to catch up lol

Winds WILL drop, probably not this year but next year or the year after. Once that is done GRRM will be well into the writing process of Dream and it will be a lot easier for him to write it, knowing that the story is reaching the conclusion

Preston jacobs and his crew of writers/editors should finish it. They already are and have completed several fan fiction chapters for Winds that are great

I already asume that wi will NEVER read the last book. My only hope is that maybe, just maybe, we will read Winds of winter. But not before 2025 or 2026. It is even posible that we’ll read Winter, unfinished, after he passes away. 🤷🏻‍♂️ It would be great if George just admitted that the story is now too big for him, and he decided to finish Winds and Dreams with Abercrombie. 😬😬😬

Awesome video! I'm currently making my way through Game of Thrones, and I'm really getting into it. I will definitely be continuing with this series, despite it not being finished.

Not to mention the dunk and egg stories in between plus I read he wanted to do a part 2 to fire and blood

Unless George gets someone else to finish ASOIAF, it's never gonna be finished even if he does finally finish Winds of Winter.

According to eh US Social Security Administration, a 74 year old male (average) has 11.05 years to live. More than enough time to complete the series. Martin has called "A Song of Ice and Fire" his Magnum Opus. I doubt that he wants to leave it unfinished. Hopefully as he ages, he understands that to leave the completed series as his legacy to the world, he needs to get some serious writing done. When it is completed, I imagine he will feel a big sense of relief, and he can then play around with all of his other priorities and just have fun in his golden years.

11 months after this video was posted and GRRM STILL says he’s 75% done with TWOW…😟

It's 2056, and Robo Martin goes on The Clone Colbert Show stating that The Winds of Winter is 99.1% complete. He also confirms that he must finish 12 Dunk and Eggs, 14 Targaryen history books, and an Elden Ring sequel. Then A Dream of Spring.

I think Tad Williams would be a great choice to finish the series. The dirty secret in the ASOIAF fandom is how much Williams' Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn series was an influence on Martin writing ASOIAF. And when we talk about how big the influence is it should be noted I don't think anyone reading both series could ever miss it. I wonder if we could get a supergroup of Williams, Abercrombie and maybe Ty Franck (1/2 of Expanse author super group James S.A. Corey who also worked as a writing assistant to GRRM and probably has the most firsthand knowledge of his process and where the bodies are buried so to speak). That might seem overkill but I think the finishing of this series will be one of the landmark moments in sci-fi/fantasy literature history

It's obvious that he has overwritten every single time he releases. He is going to be nearly done with ADOS by the time we see TWOW.

I loved a song of ice and fire. I have reread it at least 10 times. I have books highlighted and theories wrote down. It was my favorite books series. I read the books before the show. I hate I got so into them. It was a waste of time. We may get winds but we will not get the last one. GRRM has said he doesn’t want the series finished if he passes away and that sucks.

Dream is probably going to be way easier to write since Martin described it as an epilogue as opposed to a conclusion.

I believe only a historical fiction writer would be adequate for finishing the series. The style of ASOIAF is a lot more akin to historical fiction than any fantasy I've read.

The whole "doesn't want to spend time writing it" thing is stupid. The publisher should hire a team of ghost writers and allow him to sit on his ass eating bon-bons while dictating the broad strokes of the story. Good enough writers and editors could make the tone and voice indistinguishable. They could make it discreet and confidential so he wouldn't be embarrassed. I know he's set for money already but you would think he would want to leave it as a complete set after he died, not an unfulfilling series.

I don't care anymore. Let him enjoy his money.

Authors owe us nothing. Whether or not he finishes is irrelevant. I hope he does, but it doesn't change the legendary status his story has achieved.

I think we'll see Winds in our lifetime. Not Dream of Spring though. I'm not even sure GRRM can finish the series in 7 books.

Guess i’m the only one who wants fire and blood volume 2 more than winds or spring ….

Hope he has loads of DOS already written, since it's been so damn long. C, Mon George man pls.

And it's taken me over a year to get thru the first 2

According to social security (actuarial table) George has 11.05 years to live.

I firmly believe they are complete but he doesnt want to release them until he is deceased

Im going to throw my tin hat theory out there. The winds of winter and a dream of spring are the same book. Like Feast and Dance a Winds of Winter will be split into the last two books. I believe the whole story is about complete. The reason I feel we may not see both released anytime soon is because of two factors. One there are many new shows in production. If the final books are released and not received well, show interest may also decline. The second reason we may only get one of the books. Is because he doesn’t want it to be released until after he passes. Almost like a last laugh. You all thought I wouldn’t finish the story. But I did here it is. He seems like the kind of person who would do just that.

I'd say it right to his face if given the chance. Hire a ghostwriter. You have distractions. You want to enjoy your sunset years. That's fine. HIRE A GHOSTWRITER.

From Fire and Blood and House of the Dragon. It really seems like George has spent the last decade making sure the series lives much longer than himself. There are apparently like 8 more spin off shows planned and I imagined George layed out the shows himself. I do believe Winds of Winter will release, likely around 2025. I am much less optimistic of A dream of spring however, but George has shown with Fire and Blood and The World of Ice and Fire that he is willing to have others do the bulk of the writing as long as he oversees it. Does this mean George will have someone co-write the final book if his health starts failing? Maybe, but I don't know him so I can't exactly say for certain. I do think he cares deeply for the series and wants to see it finish as much as everyone else

Considering that he had to go HBO and put his foot down on the HotD writers with rewrites for season 2 I seriously doubt we'll get Winds anytime soon

Great video!! I watched this and immediately subscribed

LOL no. He is not even going to release the next book. He clearly wrote himself into a corner and did not know how to finish it. Plus, the TV show had his ending and people hated it. (I know people are very in denial about this. But denial is not just a river in Egypt. His ideas for the ending were what was onscreen.) So he would rather have people yearn for some magical "better" story than write the books and prove no he didn't. He already got paid, so I kind of do not blame him. Yes, I do think he maybe kicks the sixth book around every once in a while when bored and clearly has material for it (he has released some chapters) hoping for some "inspiration" to come. But it has been 12 years, it is not happening.

People should just give up on A Dream of Spring. TWOW still has a chance but that’s it.

Tolkien intended to write a sequel for LOTR, The New Shadow, but he later chose not to, and instead opted to end with the LOTR series, since he saw the sequel unnecessary and let it end in the way it should be. But Martin seems to forget this lesson.

Video is full of information... And i was thinking the same for a long time

I really feel like making a video like this is pretty shitty man. Idk if I’m right but I just feel that at the very least, it’s not helping. It’s not easy to get books done when there’s that much pressure to deliver

Martin is on recod as saying that he doesn't want anyone else finish the series if he dies.

No. He gave up writing asoiaf. We should stop calling him a Tolkien: Tolkien finished his story and became history. George will be erased from it.

No sadly. I don’t think he’s interested in finishing the books anymore

Ah yes...NGL...as someone that has been going though this since 1999, it's kind of nice to see more people being sucked into "THE HURT". Short answer...it's not going to happen boys and girls.

Come on George give us winds of winter and dream of spring. I finish reading a dance of dragons back In middle school and now i' am in college come on man

Probably not a popular opinion, but I would never finish a series completed by another author. I would never be able to convince myself nothing was changed. I would be able to convince myself it didn't feel like a fake or like fanfic. I would never read Sanderson's WoT books. His other books sure. It's not about ability or not liking him. If the end of asoiaf isn't pure GRRM, it just isn't worth having. I can't read anything completed by Christopher Tolkien as if it were his father's. Those works will never have the same value to me.

I'm about to start a storm of swords

I could get it if it was the Im 74 and want to spent time with Family....But its not. Its more like im 74 and want to write WILDCARD books,travel to any and EVERY CON that i can speak at and make coffee table books for House of the D

Naw Joe Abercrombie is no where near George’s level. He’s never done anything close to the level of scale of ASOIAF.

I honestly don't think he wants to finish.

Doesn't the IP technically belong to HBO? Could they potentially have the final say as to what would happen in the event that GRRM passes away?

he wants imitate tolkien

I have the feeling that man does not even want to finnish his books.

He has lost the story. He makes excuses that he is an architect or whatever but the truth is that he has no idea.

They will put it put even IF he dies I bet

Well there's always fanfiction if he doesn't finish it.

I don't think Joe Abercrombie would be a good replacement for GRRM. His tone is entirely different, and I don't think it would fit ASOIAF at all. Just cause he is another author making "grim dark" fantasy doesn't mean their respective styles can work together. Although I like Neil Gaiman a lot more, having him replace GRRM would probably turn out even weirder...

short answer: no

Winds will be finished, but never Dreams.

they need R.A Salvador to finish the series

Not a chance

god won't take him if he do not finish the last two books

At this point, who cares?

please

Does any book fan care anymore? The show was toilet.

Who are some others besides Abercrombie ? Don’t think Neil gaiman is a good fit, don’t know anything about Stephenson

No.

0 hope....🤷‍♂️💯

You should be ashamed of yourself.. there is more to life then finishing some fantasy books. That man deserves to enjoy every second of his success and not work all the time. You talk about him dying with 0 empathy, your only concern is your entertainment.. he doesn’t owe anyone anything. His fans need to treat this genius with more respect

Dude why is your head moving around like you are possessed?

Lmao no. I think we get Winds during 2026 or 2027 at the earliest. It’ll be more than 15 years between books by the time we finally get Winds. There is no way George lives another 18-20 years. He’s unhealthy and doesn’t take care of himself. We’ll be lucky if he lives a few more years to finish Winds.

You got a pretty mouth , boy