Does Argenti Make Erudition Good? | Honkai: Star Rail 

he makes me cringe uncontrollably.

@@yououttapocketthat’s a weird way to say you have bad taste

​@@mayo3648lmao hahaha nice

He indeed bangs (hope he bangs me)

​@@ChibiGwen🤨📸

They did try this from the first in JY. The thing is, with LL damage being randomly dispersed, JY is actually better at dispatching Single Target mobs. Sadly LL being the first iteration of summoned being, got way too many restriction to make it useful. Argenti Ultimate is what JY LLord supposed to be to warrant him as erudition, but what we got is a unit that is basically half Hunt Half Erudition.

the problem is the dmg. Lunae does almost the same dmg as argenti but every single turn. and E2 Lunae breaks the game so hard he is staying for years.(I already saved 50k to pull lunae E1 and E2 since is more worth it that getting 2 new characters.)

@@lucaskp16 E2 Lunae is pretty much a budget E6 it's not even comparable to the rest of the DPS cast. Every TCers and guide makers compare all limited 5 star on their base E0S0 levels to make it F2P friendly.

well he well still insanely struggle against single target. his ult takes ludicrous amounts of energy and his talent only really gives him energy against hordes of enemies. itll take way too long to get his ult in ST scenarios (like 4-5 turns)

Sounds complicated, I’ll just unga bunga

@@DefinitelyNotAFerret tl;dr 90 energy ult good in 5-target AoE since it refunds nicely in 5-target

​@@DefinitelyNotAFerrettruly, the Beauty hath shown upon thee

Yes and no actually Yes we need a battle that give big advantage to erudition No because there are characters thay can do same job and some even doing it better, meaning we need a stronger erudition, I don't even need to say it

Maybe like the enemies that immune to the damage as long as they have 4 summons? And the summons are gonna be revived again when they are not killed at the same time?

@@fashlimakarim6757 imo that simply will be bad Its basically almost impossible even with erudition, although you can change it thay the enemy will be immune to weakness whenever his followers still alive

That would be Yanqing boss fight And no, he's not helping. Raw strength already could kill him Or maybe the enemy would get 50% stats bonus if he has followers@@israyantidien4287

Pure Fiction is coming in 1.6, a permanent game mode that's like MoC but is built around hordes of enemies so we are finally getting battles with more mobs and groups :D

Jingliu and Dan heng were the ones who made destruction insane, especially now with IL using hanya buffs

Dhil is very on par with jingliu , and even blade outrank every erudition character in game currently

@@trevorbrooks7816 i dont think he outranks both JY and Argenti ngl. Prolly equal, can be better or worse but even then not by a large margin. Blade is strong but not JL level broken

@@ra6765 Argenti isn't out yet tho

@@ra6765 agreed, but he's the worst destruction has to offer and he rivals the best erudition has to offer

I mean, Clara is supposed to be classified as a damage dealer as well, it’s just her play style forces her to double as the tank for maximum damage output

@@drm726 the "readily available" part disqualifies clara, not her dps status. though you could argue that, with the standard banner selector, she's more available than a limited character but [shrug]

@@lukehoffman9742 and by virtue of being a limited 5* character argenti isn't readily available either since not everyone will roll on his banner and even if you do roll unless youre on a guaranteed you still might not get him the fact vars called a limited character "readily available" is hilarious

@@Merchuyley i'm not trying to argue that vars is correct in calling argenti readily available, i was just trying to clarify to the person i replied to that OP wasn't dissing clara's dps status

Yeah, and you can also activate his burst early (90 cost) like ult cancel when you switch the character in Eula’s case. And all of his damage is locked behind the burst… I hope he won’t end up at the bottom with Eula

At least with Argenti you don't have to worry about enemies running away from your ult lmao

The funny thing is Eula's VA also voices Hanya who debuts alongside Argenti.

that is what i thought when i heard about his abilities..

I mean we have 5 hunt characters and only 3 of them are 5-stars and Topaz is a combo piece character. And Seele isn’t bad even if she’s overshadowed. The 4-star Hunt characters aren’t great, but that’s not surprising. It definitely can be argued that Jingliu and Dan Heng IL are simply overtuned, and it has nothing to do with them being destruction characters, because it literally doesn’t, if she was the hunt instead she would likely be just as good. From a design standpoint sure the damage paths shouldn’t be interchangeable with each other if they want to justify their existence, but really that has nothing to do with inherent qualities of the paths. Dan Heng IL mimics the design of Qingque, who is plan and simple an erudition character, and she’s actually very good too. All it’d take is a character that’s overtunned in some way of the hunt path, and then “hunt characters would be good.”

I got all of em but it ruined my saving 😢

@@frootsalad-nr8kbI hope you mean Jade savings otherwise I’d suggest gambling games are not for you

@@666Blush yeah I meant jade savings

Sometimes I wonder if Vars genuinely believes what he writes as his videos' titles. They're not too much of click-bait, but the premises and assumptions are often just ...weird. Like does he play any of these characters or just compile the general opinions from different forums and discussions? Either way, keep at it and enjoy the game. :) I myself take this video as a proof even Vars admits QQ has ascended above Erudition, Hunt and Destruction even seeing he didn't mention her once lmao. QQ e6 is doing just fine clearing MoC 10 full stars from the very beginning to this day.

Yeah, and a character’s path has nothing to with a damage character’s viability besides their accessible LC’s I mean, Qingqiu is actually very strong and she’s just 4-star quantum Dan Heng IL that’s technically erudition.

Pure Fiction says hello. He absolutely *loves* it there.

@@anidolinteal3132 man do i wish i pulled for him now lol

Yes. I've tried him with huo2 and TY in swarm hell and SU. It's pretty cool. Just don't expect him to be like IL or JL kinda meta.

What do you mean you don't need another DPS? Don't you love farming relics and traces for a month just to maybe have a good build? I swear, the RNG layered grind alone makes me stay away from pulling more DPSes.

Fair

If you have Topaz and no Dhi,l Ratio is pretty unskippable (I love that guy)

@@thedigod176 I don't have Topaz, but I do have DHIL...

Could you tell me how??

@@echoyeggo898 Bronya and Tingyun, his sig LC... and crits artifacts? Am F2p but I saved 165 pulls eversince Fu Xuan banner

i can make a healer do 1m dmg in simulated universe whats ur point

​@@b1bek7It's in SimU, of course every characters that you choose can be buffed to that extent.

@@eugeneescalona9478 my entire point.

not to show but i hav a E1 Bronya and E4 tingyun and Huohuo

@@Crispymantis123 that's a good setup if you like him. but also u just spent all ur gems on huo huo and he's not necessary as a dps (however im pulling for him because he def hit me with his technique, i am dazed :,)

Blade!

If you got Luocha, Blade. Gepard could also work as solo support if well built. Keep in mind Blade consumes a good portion of his own HP. I havent tried Argenti, but Blade is very useful to clear content due to his low SP consumption.

blade is pretty solid, but honestly I would recommend building a team around a 4star dps and using ur freemogems for the better supports. blade has already fallen a bit, meta wise and argenti will most certainly fall off by at least 2.5. however, if you like either - go for it! im pulling argenti cuz I have fallen in love with a 2d man.

Your set on AOE so I would say unless you Like him. You can get away with Skipping him pretty Easily and go for Supports instead

Eh he needs very specific supports so maybe his rerun although his banner and Silver Wolf is stacked with solid 4-star supports.

Actually er rope has the lowest drop rate, so if you got a double crit er rope you are extremely lucky

Well because she isn't focus to multiple enemies instead she is just focus 1-3 enemies until you use her burst which is now focus on multiple enemies.

The claim would be that they're being saved from only being good in farming content but frankly erudition as a whole has been outperforming hunt in moc for like 4 patches now so even that would be suspect.

@@zannax351 I had a feeling it come down to MOC and just ,,why cant i use the same charecter for everything?” Mentality

​@@justunnam3dThat mentality is valid due to how limited resources we have, and the sheer amount of rng needed to get a unit going. People will probably just build 1 DPS for each halves of the MoC and then build their support, which leaves less resources to build other DPS Also I just don't like the argument of "erudition units are good for farming" because farming is such a trivial matter that you're gonna put on auto anyway, using any unit. If anything it's not that erudition is bad (I've 30 stars with Jing Yuan all the time), it's just destruction is too broken. The problematic path is destruction, not erudition

@@dr.stonksakahelth5857 that mentality valid for lazy people, but they enforce as if its the only viable way to play, i have build every dps/lifeline/support i wanted to use and and still working on the rest cause wtf else am i going to use the trailblaze power for? And even with auto fight i want it to be done as fast as possible so i can do whatever else, or i actually play the game instead

@@justunnam3d Tbh the multiple paths of DPS system is kind of screwed by design. If a fight had a single target with a massive HP pool for hunt, then erudition wouldn't be able to clear it. If a fight has constant adds, then hunt will suffer. Destruction is flexible enough for both. The hunt/erudition characters who are rated highly tend to veer more towards destruction anyways, like how JY and Argenti will focus into less targets or how Seele has turn economy to deal with adds. In a game where you have finite resources for pulling characters, having an adaptable character makes a lot more sense than someone who is really good at one thing. That's the key here. I'm still behind on building some "niche" 5* characters that I pulled (like Himeko) because I was focusing on optimizing my two "generalistic" teams. And it's clearly better for me to have 8 characters with maxed-out traces, than 16 characters half-built, since those 8 characters will enable me to clear all events, MOC, and whatever else the game throws at me with ease. Of course, if someone prefers to have multiple characters not completely maxed so they can play with different team comps, that's their choice and I respect that

Tried to save Hanya after loosing 50/50 for Huohuo and now I got Argenti in 30 pulls despite I have clara built and my healer are near non-existent with lots of light cones and even I got Dan Heng built after I loose Jingliu to Yanqing at 79th pull, my account feels like a busted heap of imbalanced piss and turd now Not even my deliberately built Kafka nor the spooked Topaz are compatible with Argenti synergy and still no Hanya, great Hoyoverse, if I don't get Ruan Mei, then off to hang the noose now XDDD

The hunt has 5 characters, 2 of them are 4-stars so what can we really expect from them, (not to say DH and Susheng aren’t usable, they are, especially with E’s) and both Seele and Topaz are strong, even if Seele is overshadowed, and Topaz is good because of her support for follow-up characters. But like lets be real, the issue is that Dan Heng IL and Jingliu are overtuned, it’s not that Hunt is a particularly bad path. Like people don’t really use Hook and Arlan.

Yeah more like IL/JL meta imo cuz the rest of destruction is fine.

Whose eyes aren't on Hanya? I just hope Argenti doesn't come early for me.