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Does 'Elden Ring' Need A Pause Function? Should FromSoftware Make Games More Accessible? 

Erik Kain
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In which I respond to Alanah Pearce's video about accessibility and Elden Ring. Sometimes we have to just accept that not all games are for us, that making games for everybody ultimately leads to games that appeal to nobody. Also, having a kid is not a 'situational disability'. You have to make sacrifices to have kids and it's hard and it can suck but you also don't have to play Elden Ring while watching a 2-year-old.

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@Themiddleborne
@Themiddleborne Месяц назад
What if I was forced at gunpoint to play with three broken arms and my 2yr old was crying while clawing my eyes out, what then?
@RH1812
@RH1812 26 дней назад
Why are you playing games when a 2 year old is in the room. Play with your 2 year old. Play the game when they’re in bed
@ute.fritzkowski
@ute.fritzkowski Месяц назад
Yes. For everytime my mom needs to talk to me, urgently, now (I am 45 by the way), no matter what I am doing.
@short72hp1
@short72hp1 Месяц назад
I am disabled and my wrists also can go numb I play as long as I can the I stop till my hands are no anymore
@short72hp1
@short72hp1 Месяц назад
also something I lose out on I can use key binds so I make due
@short72hp1
@short72hp1 Месяц назад
until my hands are ok
@Sir-Raph
@Sir-Raph Месяц назад
The logical dissonance in people arguing against the simple convenience of including an offline Pause function baffles me. • Sekiro had a Pause button (and it didn't hurt the experience whatsoever). • The functional ability of Pausing *_already exists in Elden Ring_* (albeit incredibly inconvenient.) (Navigating to the Help Menu or on PS5 you can also either switch to a media app or Rest Mode...) In what world does using a conventional Pause Button instead frantically shuffling through menus make for "a completely different type of game" ?? Also, to address the straw-man argument that "if you give people X they'll start asking for Y"... This might apply to the Difficulty debates, but a Pause function has nothing to do with difficulty. It's a QUALITY OF LIFE feature. Its inclusion in Sekiro was universally praised, even by the most diehard of FromSoft fans. It had no impact on difficulty. In fact, Sekiro is considered by many as one of, if not, *_the_* most difficult of Soulslike FS games.
@magdalenavalentinastegaru8531
@magdalenavalentinastegaru8531 Месяц назад
What is the logical dissonance? In 1 sentence.
@deeznuts23yearsago
@deeznuts23yearsago Месяц назад
This is definitely a “you’re a woman so I’m not gonna agree” like her whole point is literally just it helps for people with lives outside of gaming, you ever had your dog or cat knock shit over when you need to go and sort it out? Imagine restarting a whole boss simply because of an accident, and saying “just restart bro” is such a stupid argument, maybe I don’t want to redo all that And a pause button in offline/singleplayer modes is soo much more better, Minecraft has this non stop pause menu shit and it’s annoying
@magdalenavalentinastegaru8531
@magdalenavalentinastegaru8531 29 дней назад
@Sir-Raph After 2 days I hope you are doing well. Situational disability and logical dissonance. Stop using words that sound smart. Smart people know the difference.
@monk3110
@monk3110 Месяц назад
No but combat should lock you out of travel like a dungeon does…. NOT LOCK YOU OUT OF THE WHOLE MAP ITSELF
@Humdrumv
@Humdrumv Месяц назад
What I don't understand what does Alana not use an alternate controller that accommodates her disability I watch a YMS and he also has this same issue yet got an alternate controller so he adapted to his disability. What I'm hearing here is games need to adapt to me I take no responsibility kind of pointing to a bigger social issue 🤷
@scotthallgv
@scotthallgv Месяц назад
Christ that was like a jackal sniper in HALO 2!
@quezcatol
@quezcatol Месяц назад
Im no elden ring expert, but as a guy who played through it & finished it one time atleast, I never needed to "pause" since every boss takes at most a few minutes to beat. At what point do I need to "pause it"? I can just replay the boss. Something tells me you would be able to read certain boss pattern if you could "pause" etc.
@JazerMedia
@JazerMedia Месяц назад
Absolutely, but you can already go on youtube and watch a fight to study moves. Just like if someone refuses to use spirit ashes, they'll refuse pausing the game in order to keep their experience pure. Also, as a step dad of an 8 and 10 year old, it's amazing how much attention they need. They'll constantly want to talk to me, show me things they made, ask for food, the list goes on.
@GeekGameCulture
@GeekGameCulture Месяц назад
You would never have to. But what about someone having the "macro" hinders YOUR enjoyment of the game? No one is forcing you to install that mod, or to use that button if added. And them using it doesn't hinder your progress, and the lack of one doesn't help you develop your skills any more or less. You technically don't HAVE to gain levels in the game, or to spend time grinding, or crafting/buying items in the game. You technically could speed run through the game. As long as it doesn't hinder MY enjoyment of the same game, then what harm does a QoL feature do?
@magdalenavalentinastegaru8531
@magdalenavalentinastegaru8531 Месяц назад
​@GeekGameCulture You have the answer in your name. Then, the culture signature and significance changes. You want the most relevant quality to dissappear and with it, the fan base, the fan content, the general relevance.
@bighause73
@bighause73 Месяц назад
I agree that the word disability is conflated and overused, but why is a pause button so controversial? Especially if people are coming out and saying you can pause by using help, why not just make opening any menu a pause? Like it doesn't impact anyone but yourself and makes it more "accessible" to real life. Sometimes we have unexpected tasks come up. I can pause my fuckin corporate job if I need to take care of my kid for a sec, can I just pause the game I play to have fun without the hardcore barrier of not pausing with the push of a button instead of 3 or whatever? Like there are plenty of harder games that still let you pause, brief shit comes up that I would rather not put me in a bad mood because I'm finally about to beat a really hard boss, but I can't quit.
@ErikKain
@ErikKain Месяц назад
@bighause73 I've basically already explained why. It changes the nature of the game. It makes off-line and on line fundamentally different
@bighause73
@bighause73 Месяц назад
@@ErikKain But online is optional, and the flag for that state would prevent pausing automatically if you opt in, which I assume is the case for the "help" toggle already.
@magdalenavalentinastegaru8531
@magdalenavalentinastegaru8531 Месяц назад
Play other game.
@mina86
@mina86 Месяц назад
@@ErikKain, that’s the point. People who play offline don’t care about online. If offline mode is implemented, it needs to have all the features of a single-player game including pausing. It’s funny how you highlight comments which describe how you can pause in the game but then argue that pausing affects the game negatively.
@c1nna497
@c1nna497 Месяц назад
i POSTED THIS ELSEWHERE BUT THINK i SHALL PUT IT HERE TOO I think fromsoftware games are made with a certain type of feeling in mind. I think it is easy to discount it as meaningless. But I think the lack of an easily accessible pause function does in fact, add to the feeling and mood the games aim to give a player. When no place feels totally safe and when playing the game you do not have an escape from that. Then each site of grace/bonfire feels a lot more impactful. Being in a place such as the round table hold has a lot more weight to it as they are pretty much beacons of safety in a world that is pretty much actively hostile to you at all times. I think the way these worlds make you feel and the emotions these things evoke is just as important as many other factors. While I do understand your sentiment. I think saying such a thing add no value is untrue. Being able to pause the game on a whim can certain effect how the world of the game is perceived which is part of the value some people can get out of the game. If I can pause the game at any time than those points of respite where you can finally get away from the oppressive world of the game and take a breather, they do inherently have less value as any place anywhere becomes that thing. And while yes it will bar some players out of the game. Sometimes that is the price you pay in order to make the vision you want. At the end of the day we are all free to play whatever we want. I just would like to explain that maybe this small thing does add a bit of value to the world for the people that enjoy it, even if that is not what you are looking for. Also imo it is hard for me to believe that the explanation menu pausing the game is truly intended behavior, but due to how sporadic fromsoftware is about patching their games and how they will simply leave bugs in their games even between entries, it's honestly hard to know for sure.
@theroseexperience
@theroseexperience Месяц назад
Yes, it does.
@bes6266
@bes6266 Месяц назад
Do people realize you can just stop and exit back to the main menu ? I feel like there are a lot of people who don't realize you can do that and if you're in a fight but have to leave just dip 🤷 you'll get your souls back. All I hear are people who don't enjoy a challenge ! Formsoftwear games are based around Risk = Reward. If you want them to make it easier then you're just robbing yourself of feeling like you've truly over come the odds. !! A pause button already exists you just go into your character screen and go over an item & hit explanation And Bam!!! The game pauses !! It shows anyone complaining here just doesn't put in the work 😒 and doesn't think outside the box, don't do any research b/c the game isn't ment to hand feed you like a newborn infant. If the game is too difficult for you and you haven't learned from your failures which is another integral Lesson you're supposed to learn in each formsoftwear game. You take failure and learn from it not run it down mid like a mindless zombie.
@mina86
@mina86 Месяц назад
If pause already exists, why are people arguing against having a simpler option to enable it?
@pcpwireless
@pcpwireless Месяц назад
there is a pause button. its called help.
@mariodpgodoy
@mariodpgodoy Месяц назад
The last bit about relationships sounded personal! Are you OK, there?
@ErikKain
@ErikKain Месяц назад
@@mariodpgodoy I'm just old
@elamolced5213
@elamolced5213 Месяц назад
My solution is just to crouch and hide in a bush
@TheLastDonaldYouMcRonald
@TheLastDonaldYouMcRonald Месяц назад
It already has a "pause" button. Start - Equipment - Help - Menu Explanation
@jakejameslugo
@jakejameslugo Месяц назад
I think a lot of this whole discourse comes down to the use of the word disability… I’m with you that it’s not really addressing disabilities, because everything she mentioned at first are really just annoyances and inconveniences. Those aren’t disabilities in the way most people know or understand, and those are things that the person can change or deal with… However, I don’t fully agree with you about the Souls style of games don’t need a pause… To me, Pause or pausing a game is a basic function of a game that all games should have. We have something like Jedi Fallen Order and Jedi Survivor that do it 8n their own ways that can work, and still maintain the same spirit/aim that other Souls-style games have. So not having a pause option being there is a fair criticism of the genre and of Elden Ring itself. I don’t feel including that would impact the overall core experience in a way that compromises everything. At the end of the day, you still have to beat that boss or deal with that challenge after you pause and continue playing. As far as difficulty settings, we have that same thing in Jedi Fallen Order and Survivor as well, so it can work. But Elden Ring and other Souls games are different kinds of approaches to the genre, so it doesn’t bother me as much to not have that in Elden Ring. Again, it’s an extra option that wouldn’t hurt the overall experience for those who want the true souls experience, but it’s not something that is dire to have in comparison to anything else.
@magdalenavalentinastegaru8531
@magdalenavalentinastegaru8531 Месяц назад
Do you know what happens during a raid if a player leaves? A general wipe and most probably you will never see that boss again. because you will never get invited. So how can you say a stop button is irrelevant?
@deeznuts23yearsago
@deeznuts23yearsago Месяц назад
Having played both Jedi games, the pause button changes nothing about the gameplay it simply just is there if I need to pause, why should I be punished in game for out of game actions for a single player game
@short72hp1
@short72hp1 Месяц назад
this is the push back ever body that has kids saying we make it work
@short72hp1
@short72hp1 Месяц назад
I heard she fought for disabled access may she needs to listen beter
@bryonastell1915
@bryonastell1915 27 дней назад
Na there is no penalty for death outside of rune loss. Don't carry leveling runes into a boss problem solved?
@ranyx5594
@ranyx5594 29 дней назад
do they know?
@HansGrub
@HansGrub Месяц назад
Every Site of Grace is a pause area.
@Getting-a-handle-is-impossible
@Getting-a-handle-is-impossible Месяц назад
Hmm. I kinda agree with both, but after hearing Erik's arguments I kind of agree more with his sentiment. However, I really don't like when games have "mash this button to do this one thing" (I have not encountered this in a FromSoft game). An example would be stopping a car in Spiderman, where you mash a button to stop the car. There's no skill there and it is not fun. Thankfully in that example they actually have an accessibility option to just hold the button instead.
@lustrazor44
@lustrazor44 Месяц назад
Yea I turned that shit off in spiderman. It doesn’t add nothing but annoyance.
@vincentd.2284
@vincentd.2284 Месяц назад
I also don't understand how it detracts from your purist experience for there to be a pause enabler option buried in the options menu for offline player. Having to quit just before your about to finish off a boss because real life happened has made me quit a couple of From Software games.
@rclaws3230
@rclaws3230 Месяц назад
Have you thought of the potential exploits?
@AdelaideBen1
@AdelaideBen1 Месяц назад
@@rclaws3230 I am happy for them to choose not to have a pause in their own game, but using the exploits argument is kinda silly. Anything on a PC can be exploited.
@vincentd.2284
@vincentd.2284 Месяц назад
@@rclaws3230As if there are not already exploits in Elden ring! Also, exploits in a single player game? Who cares? I've modded my game to play ultrawidescreen without black bars. Are you going to arrest me?
@deeznuts23yearsago
@deeznuts23yearsago Месяц назад
@@rclaws3230oh no exploits? That really ruins the entire game and make it unplayable because of 4 people using it in their offline saves
@Veteran_Nerd
@Veteran_Nerd Месяц назад
I hate the term 'situational disability'. Use 'limitation' or something. Using 'disability' is kinda weird and I see why there is anger at this. I know it's an industry term (that doesn't make it right). Some corporate hr dimwit was bored and wanted to come up another buzzword because that's part of their job in 2024. (source: Me, an hr dimwit w 20 years exp) Use words like 'Distracted' 'Preoccupied' 'Inattentive' 'Distrait' 'Diverted' 'Unfocused' etc etc etc. You get the idea
@bollywongaloid
@bollywongaloid Месяц назад
@@Veteran_Nerd are you really that bothered or are we just quibbling over semantics because we don’t have a real argument against a pause button? She wasn’t just saying ‘make this game easier’ at all.
@Veteran_Nerd
@Veteran_Nerd Месяц назад
@@bollywongaloid Ok, I may have been under the influence... Personally don't care about a pause button. I was mainly commenting on the buzzword being thrown around lol. I'll delete that part haha
@MrCecil
@MrCecil 28 дней назад
@@bollywongaloidUsing the wrong word isn’t quibbling to me, personally. I feel like we’re losing the meaning of words. People just use words that don’t mean what they say. Having a child and being unable to pause a video game is not a disability. It’s not a situational disability. I don’t have any disabilities, but I assume if I did I might take issue with the wording. As a writer, I’ve got an issue with it. No, it’s not a big deal, but it’s a valid criticism.
@bollywongaloid
@bollywongaloid 28 дней назад
@@MrCecil I still feel like the meaning of her words was clear and not something to be offended by. I’ve never been a fan of arguing semantics.
@klauskillski3881
@klauskillski3881 Месяц назад
The constitution should state that playing video games is an indispensable fundamental right
@electron_shell
@electron_shell 19 дней назад
Shakespeare isn't "particularly accessible" to Anyone. Don't do hobbies while babysitting. Where in the world does the expectation originate that hobbies and art must be accessible and pausable? You either figure out how to grasp Shakepeare or you miss out on Shakespeare. "My hobby is reading plays but Shakespeare is too hard and it's elitist to not offer an easy version of Shakespeare." Yikes. I have kids, woman, dog... played FromSoft games for years with zero need for traditional pause button. Time management is the solution. I do pausable things while the kids are around. Common sense. I don't even bother with anything that requires continuous focus for immersion. Mastering a FromSoft game is akin to mastering an instrument. The folks at FromSoft are artists; they make art. We take art as the creator made it, we don't send it back to the kitchen like a meal. FromSoft has made it clear that Elden Ring represents their artistic vision. All the little parts make up the whole. So I wouldn't change one word of Shakespeare. I would rise to the challenge rather than asking the art to lower itself to be within my reach.
@mina86
@mina86 Месяц назад
Single player games should have pause. There’s really nothing else to say here. And yes, when I play multi-player game offline, I play a fundamentally different game and I expect developers to implement that game properly. By the way, having to play for longer is not an easy mode.
@magdalenavalentinastegaru8531
@magdalenavalentinastegaru8531 Месяц назад
Should they? By the High Concil decree?
@mina86
@mina86 Месяц назад
@@magdalenavalentinastegaru8531, yes, they should.
@magdalenavalentinastegaru8531
@magdalenavalentinastegaru8531 Месяц назад
@@mina86 @mina86 Obviously they should not since every game has its own rules. You should chose to play games that do have pause. Yes, you should.
@mina86
@mina86 Месяц назад
@@magdalenavalentinastegaru8531, no, games have some universal rules. For example, games should not crash. If Elden Ring crashed all the times would you argue that it’s alright because every game has its own rules?
@magdalenavalentinastegaru8531
@magdalenavalentinastegaru8531 Месяц назад
@mina86 Rules as in design rules. Laws are rules too,, one can not sell a faulty product. They are not the same.
@burningdragoon73
@burningdragoon73 Месяц назад
it wouldn't be a discussion about From Software without most people just talking past each other. It would be one thing to say including some feature X is more important than any particular design philosophy, but most people criticizing From Software don't really do that. Instead they deny, or can't understand, that some things, even seemingly smaller things like a pause button, will meaningfully change the game. It might change it for the better for some people and it's fair to wish it had those changes, but it's not fair to pretend it wouldn't be a change it for the worse for others.
@slart1bartfast587
@slart1bartfast587 Месяц назад
I love how some comments are like: "No! It doesn't need a pause button. It ruins the artistic vision of Miyazaki!" Other comments are like: "It doesn't need a pause button because it already has one. Just go to the menu, then here, then there, than that and there you go game paused" Okay, so why are y'all so mad about her asking for a QoL improvment for a functionality that is already there? lmao I swear FromSoft fans are such elitist smoothbrains sometimes. Sometimes I wish FromSoft would introduce an easy mode into their games, just to shut these morons up once and for all.
@ErikKain
@ErikKain Месяц назад
@@slart1bartfast587 From games aren't supposed to be convenient and wanting to keep them the way they are isn't elitist.
@mina86
@mina86 28 дней назад
​@@ErikKainis that why Elden Ring doesn't have properly key mapping on PC? Are you also going to argue it's part of the game design? Game controls (including pause in a single player game) should be convenient. You projecting your experiences playing the game onto people who ask for a basic feature is elitist.
@dinocaster3371
@dinocaster3371 Месяц назад
If FromSoftware made games for everyone, Elden Ring probably wouldn't exist
@deeznuts23yearsago
@deeznuts23yearsago Месяц назад
It’s not making the games for everyone, it’s about making it so those who want to play can do so
@magdalenavalentinastegaru8531
@magdalenavalentinastegaru8531 Месяц назад
I want to have a cybernetics degree from a top 5 university. Even though I never studied the subject, I too want the certificate. Just write on the other certificates- have graduated with normal studies.
@CarlWheatley-wi2cl
@CarlWheatley-wi2cl Месяц назад
The "pause button" is standing outside of combat and interaction. Basically 95% of the game is when you can safely pause, for hours if you feel like it. What they want is a pause feature IN COMBAT of course. Fromsoft are thankfully not going to cater to that nonsense.
@vincentd.2284
@vincentd.2284 Месяц назад
Why? I've been steuggling for an hour against the same boss. I am finally one or two swing away from killing a boss. Something in my real life needs my immediate attention. Why should I accept that getting yourself killed in such circumstances is part of the design philosophy? It's just a marketing ploy to get manchild with barren real life to feel good about themselves.
@CarlWheatley-wi2cl
@CarlWheatley-wi2cl Месяц назад
@@vincentd.2284 Does your combat opponent get a pause game feature as well? If not why not?
@vincentd.2284
@vincentd.2284 Месяц назад
​​@@CarlWheatley-wi2cl This is not a boxing match. Offline mode is a single player game. It doesn't make the fight any easier. We're not talking about accessing inventory or anything like that. A simple freeze with no visual of the battleground to deal with unexpected real life shit. That is all BTW, in most games, pausing and unpausing game in the middle of fights actually make the fight more challenging. There is often a couple of seconds where your controler and the position of your avatar are misaligned and you need a few seconds of moving him around to regain control of him and get back your situational awareness of the fight. I've died because of this 'lag' several times in other games.
@vincentd.2284
@vincentd.2284 Месяц назад
​@@CarlWheatley-wi2clAlso, does Margit ever become idle midfight because his 6 month old in another dimension wants a feeding middle of the night or because a plumber is coming over to fix the water heater?
@AdelaideBen1
@AdelaideBen1 Месяц назад
@@CarlWheatley-wi2cl sorry - I accept they don't have a pause... but using this as an argument is just weird IMO. Are you saying that you shouldn't have a pause button because the NPC enemy doesn't have a pause option? Or are you talking multi-player (which the person you're replying to isn't talking about). Of course multiplayer is a different issue... but some of the arguments being used here are verging on cult-like delusion. Sorry if I mis-interpreted your comment... but it came across as being quite bizarre.
@BelowZero2010
@BelowZero2010 Месяц назад
This could be a bit harsh but if the game doesn’t have a pause button and it’s a serious issue ,just dont play the game. I dont play a lot of games i used to anymore cause online sessions would take too long,requiring 15-25 minutes of your time.Very hard for me to get that uninterrupted time.
@ayotundeayoko5861
@ayotundeayoko5861 Месяц назад
No, t's not harsh. it's tough but its life, you cannot and will never be able to play everything on earth. to think otherwise is to have narcissism of milky way proportions.
@lustrazor44
@lustrazor44 Месяц назад
@@ayotundeayoko5861lmao it’s not unreasonable to ask for a singleplayer game to have a fucking pause button. Especially when it has a hidden one already.
@BelowZero2010
@BelowZero2010 Месяц назад
@@lustrazor44 you know i only found that out today after seeing this controversial topic.
@mina86
@mina86 Месяц назад
@@ayotundeayoko5861, it’s not life. It’s a video game.
@mina86
@mina86 25 дней назад
@Frieza-yg4zp, it’s not entitled to expect game to come with basic features.
@ericjensen7580
@ericjensen7580 Месяц назад
Someone beat the final boss of this DLC with like a plastic jazz trombone or something. Not sure if a pause would work within ER (would it conflict with the co-op?). I mean, there is a pause button in Elden Ring. You got to system, and select quit game or return to desktop. When I think accessibility I think mode to help for color blindness To be fair, elden ring isn't a little batch its on par with where Skyrim was 2 years after release. It's a mainstream game so if anything From games have become more accesible.
@corruptparagon
@corruptparagon Месяц назад
DEI in gaming example here, I agree with you 100% Kain.
@theclosetgamers
@theclosetgamers Месяц назад
Couldn't agree with you more. You "pick your moments" with gaming. I don't always have time to game (3 game streams mostly 3-9 hours each per week) is that an argument for me to boot up one of those games that plays itself for me? No, I will find the time just like anyone in that kind of restrictive situation (and I do). If you've got kids the same thing applies. I don't want all games to start being watered down with numerous features to the point that they are all the same... like the survival genre which basically allows you to gear everything to your advantage if you want - I don't play those games because I know I can cheat if I want. I just want the experience the devs provide... how they intended. Do I think a pause button is the "be all and end all" though? No, and if there is a way of implementing it (like "Sekiro" did prior to this game) then fine... providing there are no limiting aspects (like the removal of the message/co-op/invasion/etc systems) for their inclusion. "From" had the opportunity to put pause in Elden Ring but they didn't and I believe there is a reason. Be it technical or because the devs believe that it compromises the game somewhat. I don't know why they didn't add one but they didn't. It's their game at the end of the day, it's Miyazaki's scope. The devs decisions should not be catering to a subset of individuals over the collective many's intended experience. This is coming from someone with autism. I don't agree with the purists that you should play the game naked/solo for the true experience... you should play the game to the degree where you are having fun. No ones win is invalidated however you won...(with ashes, or not) if you lost because of your kid or whatever... oh well that happens. Maybe play it later or play something with the feature you want instead of asking these developers to add things to make it easier for you as an individual. At the end of the day It's a From Software game - dying and overcoming adversity is the point.
@ComicsAreEscapism
@ComicsAreEscapism Месяц назад
Lots of Souls fans in the comments! :D
@darrinscott6612
@darrinscott6612 Месяц назад
As a working adult with an adult job and partner, I am uninterested in games that dont respect my time. This includes games that make you spend countless hours grinding for no good reason, and games without a pause button. I understand that not every game is going to be for me, but it adds no value to the game to take away my ability to attend to life. Period. Its not a difficulty thing, it's a fact that time is the currency of your life and should only be spent on things that bring fulfillment. Having to replay a section because you have no pause button isnt fulfillment.
@mistergrieves
@mistergrieves Месяц назад
Then don’t play.
@formanimacion
@formanimacion Месяц назад
i'd say this game is not for you, not all games are designed for every one
@c1nna497
@c1nna497 Месяц назад
I think fromsoftware games are made with a certain type of feeling in mind. I think it is easy to discount it as meaningless. But I think the lack of an easily accessible pause function does in fact, add to the feeling and mood the games aim to give a player. When no place feels totally safe and when playing thr game you do not have an escape from that. Then each site of grace/bonfire feels a lot more impactful. Being in a place such as the roundtable hold has a lot more weight to it as they are pressy much beacons of safety in a world that is pretty much actively hostile to you at all times. I think the way these worlds make you feel and the emotions these things evoke is just as important as many other factors. While I do understand your sentiment. I think saying such a thing add no value is untrue. Being able to pause the game on a whim can certain effect how the world of the game is perceived which is part of the value some people can get out of the game. If I can pause the game at any time than those points of respite where you can finally get away from the oppressive world of the game and take a breather, they do inherently have less value as any place anywhere becomes that thing. And while yes it will bar some players out of the game. Sometimes that is the price you pay in order to make the vision you want. At the end of the day we are all free to play whatever we want. I just would like to explain that maybe this small thing does add a bit of value to the world for the people that enjoy it, even if that is not what you are looking for
@FlipFlab
@FlipFlab Месяц назад
Hot take breaking news update, did you realize when you want to “pause” you can just exit to the main menu. It will save right there and it takes 3 seconds to load back in. You can also just switch to offline and tuck your character away from any enemies. Completely safe, just as good as a pause. Aside from that, just don’t play and don’t whine about something that ain’t trying to cater to your oh so busy lifestyle. Cheers!
@FlipFlab
@FlipFlab Месяц назад
@@c1nna497 👑 you dropped this, sir.
@HT-jj5sx
@HT-jj5sx Месяц назад
"Situational Disability" is actually the technical term, which is what she's referring to, don't get lose in the vocab here, the message behind it is what is important.
@bollywongaloid
@bollywongaloid Месяц назад
@@HT-jj5sx people are purposely misinterpreting her to disparage her argument. It’s just what people on Reddit and Twitter do and it’s why I left both platforms. It was obvious what she was saying.
@magdalenavalentinastegaru8531
@magdalenavalentinastegaru8531 Месяц назад
​@@bollywongaloidWhat was her argument?
@bollywongaloid
@bollywongaloid Месяц назад
I think Alanah talked a lot of sense tbh. While I think that not every game needs to made for everyone, some sensible QoL improvements would be welcome. There’s got to be a balance somewhere. A pause button shouldn’t be a controversial thing (and it’s also already in the game btw in the form of pressing the help button on the map screen, so why not implement it properly, or get rid of the functionality altogether) To be clear I also agree with a lot of what you said especially with regards to acceptance. I just think there’s probably some kind of happy medium somewhere that wouldn’t fundamentally change the experience. If we gatekeep/guard these games too closely then they don’t continue to improve.
@rclaws3230
@rclaws3230 Месяц назад
An "improvement" for you disrupts someone else's fun. Go play something you actually enjoy.
@bollywongaloid
@bollywongaloid Месяц назад
@@rclaws3230 it already has a pause function though. Is your fun ruined? No. Also Sekiro had a pause and that’s one of the best From games
@caseyhart4999
@caseyhart4999 Месяц назад
Elden ring does not need a pause button. Boss fights really are not that long and even if you die it’s not a big deal. People should be preparing accordingly when fighting a boss anyway. If you lose a ton of runes dying to a boss it’s kinda your own fault for trying to fight with that many runes to begin with.
@GeekGameCulture
@GeekGameCulture Месяц назад
Most games don't "need'" quality of life features. But they do include them in order to make the experience more engaging and more convenient for the player. You don't NEED to level up, or upgrade gear, or have fast travel, or have additional bags when your inventory becomes bloated, etc. Technically, you don't "need" any of those things. But games provide them all the time for a reason: players do not like to play games that rely on tedious tasks to pad the game or artificially extend the play time. Change a pause button from a "need" to a "QoL" feature, and it becomes a much different debate.
@caseyhart4999
@caseyhart4999 Месяц назад
@@GeekGameCulture I do kind of agree with what you are saying. I myself at the start of my time with Elden ring held the same idea about the debate regarding an easy mode. Over time though I did begin to embrace the philosophy of the game on its own terms and now I see the value in it. Erik covers it pretty nicely in this video. At the end of all of it though I do think it’s important for everyone on both sides to remember that this is just a game. Whatever Fromsoftware decides to do likely will not be dictated by anything you or I say in this discussion and that’s ok. Their philosophy is one of the things that makes them stand out in the gaming world and I do respect that.
@magdalenavalentinastegaru8531
@magdalenavalentinastegaru8531 Месяц назад
​@@GeekGameCultureHow can you put upgrading gear as quality of life feature?. That is an achievement. Some restrictions function as a reason to strategize.
@formanimacion
@formanimacion Месяц назад
all i can say to developers is not to cave to the social discourse around their product. sell your game and make your game how you want and go with what works for your product, the appeal and selling point for elden ring is the difficulty and challenge , they obviously built this game with hardcore gamers in mind, they should only cater to the people that want to play it as is.
@AKABoondock19
@AKABoondock19 Месяц назад
All I can say to gamers is, if you are complaining about a pause button in a single player game, you are an epic tiered loser
@vincentd.2284
@vincentd.2284 Месяц назад
We're all on RU-vid talking about videogames. How is one side different than the other in this regard?
@FC-ho9hw
@FC-ho9hw Месяц назад
Most people (me included) don't really have an issue with a pause function or whatever, but with the fact Alanah considers having a kid as a disability and that she actually tried to gaslight everybody who had an issue with this, after that. That's what the whole fuss is really about... She shouldn't have brought children into this whole argument at all or just phrase it (much) better. Edit: She actually finally clarified (which she haven't done even in her second video, where she tried explaining things even more) she don't think having kids is a disability. I still don't understand why it took her few days to finally say it plain and simple without any bullshit, but better late than never.
@bollywongaloid
@bollywongaloid Месяц назад
@@FC-ho9hw that’s not what she said at all. She didn’t flat out say having a kid was a disability she contextualised it with reference to the ability to play the game well. Yes she could have worded it better but at the end of the day it was obvious what she was trying to say and you know it too. Are we really all going to pretend to be offended by this? Peak Redditor mentality.
@FC-ho9hw
@FC-ho9hw Месяц назад
@@bollywongaloid Some people straight up asked what she meant by that (me too) and she didn't correct anybody... Instead she tried to gaslight by repeating she didn't invent these terms, but she haven't said anything about children. She didn't adress that part at all... If she really meant that she doesn't consider having kids as a disability, she'd said so already. Now it's you who tries to gaslight... If you can see likes and dislikes, you'd see there are over 4,6 K (6,8 K likes to 4,6 K dislikes and it's only growing) people who are "offended." And some actually disabled people, too. That's a common sense mentality for you... I'm personally only "offended" by that "gaslight anybody who have a problem with something" part. It should actually matter if somebody has a valid reason to disagree with something. You can fact check if you want and actually like people who are doing that. And a fun fact about me: I don't use Reddit, X or Instagram...
@bollywongaloid
@bollywongaloid Месяц назад
@@FC-ho9hw ‘Situational Disability’ is an industry standard term so perhaps all of those people should educate themselves. Also, Alanah actually has a job within Sony’s Santa Monica studio working with accessibility and gaming. She’s in a more informed position to actually say this stuff… but regardless the fact remains that she wasn’t saying having kids was straight up a disability. It’s disingenuous to say that. The numbers you refer to mean nothing other than highlighting the number of people misrepresenting/misinterpreting her. That’s just the Internet for you.
@FC-ho9hw
@FC-ho9hw Месяц назад
@@bollywongaloid Then WHY she didn't just said so since then? If for nothing else, than just for setting the record straight... You imply that everybody who has an issue with her saying that (some of those people are actually disabled) is basically dumb for thinking, or more like knowing, she's wrong... Am I misinterpreting you? You should probably know that I'm not even a conservative. I'm just somebody who likes to draw his own conclusions... And btw even if she's "more informed," that doesn't mean she's always correct about something. Especially when there are thousands of people who are giving great examples why she's wrong and it doesn't change the fact she DIDN'T say she doesn't consider having kids as a disability... Again. If she doesn't, why not just say it then? Just to calm everybody... As I said. The thing that pisses me off about this whole bullshit is only that gaslighting... I'm for free speech. I'm against censorship. Alanah just gave a stupid example about something, thousands of people are giving her shit for it, but instead of gaslighting she should just clarify what she actually meant by that (which she still did not). Maybe she will... Until then, case closed.
@bollywongaloid
@bollywongaloid Месяц назад
@@FC-ho9hw quite simply, because she shouldn’t have to defend herself. She said what she said in good faith and it was clear what she meant. It’s not her job to manage other peoples’ emotions and certainly not to ‘calm everybody’, especially when it was purposely and maliciously being taken out of context! Everybody so quick to jump on the word ‘disability’ but quite happily disregard ‘situational’, you know, the word that gave context to the entire thing! So to clarify, yes I think people taking her words out of context (“she said having kids is a disability!”) are being a little bit dense tbh. I also don’t know what you mean by gaslighting because there’s been none of that? She’s a straight speaker she already said what she meant, it’s the likes of you who took it out of context. Having said all that, she’s since posted a video clarifying what she was talking about (if people could only get off the outrage train for a second to go and listen). I’m not sure why you mention you’re not conservative… there’s nothing political about this. This is getting blown waaayyy out of proportion.
@FlipFlab
@FlipFlab Месяц назад
No.
@AdelaideBen1
@AdelaideBen1 Месяц назад
No disrespect, but being a technical term doesn't mean it's not a ridiculous term - because it's basically just describing life... it's like saying anything that stops you playing a game is a disability.... sleep? work? lacking a computer/console? These are not disabilities - they are circumstance. There are real disabilities - which means things that are not choice driven. Having to choose between playing the game, or dealing with your 2 year old isn't a disability. It's a choice - though frankly, it shouldn't be a choice, it should be common sense. I get it, I have often got annoyed at Elden Ring's lack of a pause button; because it's inconvenient. Yet I survive. I personally get more annoyed at some of the AI and poor frame performance - because that was definitely a Dev issue. I have to say Alanah's description of situational disability really comes off as entitled. The issue of her hands not being able to button mash is unfortunate... and perhaps that just means there's certain games she shouldn't be playing - same as me not playing competitive shooters, as my reflexes aren't good enough. We are getting into a world where EVERYONE thinks they are entitled to EVERY experience - and that's leading to very selfish and self-adsorbed people IMO.
@Jason_P
@Jason_P Месяц назад
Not even gonna watch the video because this is a ridiculous question. YES, EVERY VIDEO GAME SHOULD HAVE A PAUSE FUNCTION. To do otherwise is to insult the player's time. PERIOD.
@galetinm
@galetinm Месяц назад
Well, Erik disagrees with you in the video. And it's not the only thing they talk about.
@Jason_P
@Jason_P Месяц назад
@@galetinm Right, but I did watch enough to see this guy say summons are "Easy Mode" in ER. Classic elitism Elden Edge-Lord bullshit. My statement stands. Having no pause function IS an insult to the player's time. That is not in question or debatable. Having no pause function is also direct and purposeful counter to accessibility. The devs are TRYING TO BE ASSHOLES IN THE NAME OF "DIFFICULTY."
@mina86
@mina86 Месяц назад
@@galetinm, Erik is wrong.
@rclaws3230
@rclaws3230 Месяц назад
Dying isn't a big deal. They just want you to be able to be invaded at any time if you're summoning. I had to get up to let my dog out on the way to Malenia yesterday, and whoops, died. It was the stupid slowdown scarlet swamp right before the area before the boss area. If you can't take the heat, don't play the game. Get over yourself.
@rclaws3230
@rclaws3230 Месяц назад
@@mina86 You're wrong.
@galvatron3323
@galvatron3323 Месяц назад
Simply put..No
@vincentd.2284
@vincentd.2284 Месяц назад
Come on! Enough with the purist BS! A pause function in offline mode does not change the nature of Elden ring. Just like refusing to provide ultra widescreen support other than black bars. It is just From Software taking themselves way too seriously! It's a fucking game. Get off your high horses!
@rclaws3230
@rclaws3230 Месяц назад
Or you could shut up and go play something you actually like.
@vincentd.2284
@vincentd.2284 Месяц назад
@@rclaws3230 Have you ever heard of someone mot liking a game because there is no pause button? That is what is frustrating. I like From Software games, especially Elden rings. But I can still say I wish there was a pause button Removing a pause button is mistaking a normal convenience feature for a difficulty design decision.
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