If he's still in his grave, he's got bigger problems. And if someone disagreeing with Calvanism caused him to turn in his grave, Geneva would produce a constant spike on worldwide seismic readings. They'd have to install lubricated bearing surfaces in his crypt to protect the structural integrity of the surrounding area. I'll love getting to chat with him in heaven someday as a brother, but the man was wrong about some things.
Please consider the following verses and not listen to what this guy says. Listen to God's word and make up your own mind on this topic as God leads you. This is a clear biblical doctrine. Do you not know that it is a shame before God for a man to answer a matter before he hears it? Read the following verses and tell me what they are talking about. John 6 39: And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, *that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing,* but should raise it up again at the last day. 40: And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. 44: *No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.* John 10 14: I am the good shepherd, *and know my sheep, and am known of mine.* 15: As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and *I lay down my life for the sheep.* 25: Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. 26: But *ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep,* as I said unto you. 27: *My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:* 28: And I give unto them eternal life; *and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.* 29: *My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.* Acts 13 46: Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. 47: For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. 48: And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: *and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.* Romans 8 28: And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, *to them who are the called according to his purpose.* 29: *For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.* 30: *Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.* Romans 9 13: As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. 14: What shall we say then? *Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.* 15: For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16: So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17: For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18: *Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.* 19: Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20: Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21: *Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?* 22: What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering *the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:* 23: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the *vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,* Ephesians 1 3: Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4: *According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:* 5: *Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,* 6: To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. 10: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 11: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, *being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:* 12: That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13: In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14: Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 1John 4 18: There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 19: *We love him, because he first loved us.* Ephesians 2 8: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9: Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10: For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, *which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.* 2Thessalonians 2 13: But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, *because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation* through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2Timothy 1 9: Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but *according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,* Jude 1 4: For there are certain men crept in unawares, *who were before of old ordained to this condemnation,* ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
@@twitherspoon8954 the Bible says the opposite The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Not reformed Baptist, but um, actually, the argument is that you don't have to take it as literal hatred, not that you must never take it as literal hatred. Tbh I think this is just a cope for people who can't tolerate the idea that God wouldn't like somebody. He's God. He loves who he loves and hates who he hates. He's the source of all reasoning, so to say he's unreasonable is to commit intellectual suicide.
This is a clear biblical doctrine. Do you not know that it is a shame before God for a man to answer a matter before he hears it? Read the following verses and tell me what they are talking about. Note that there is no mention anywhere of 'free will' in the Bible but God's selection is clear. Please read the scriptures below with a critical eye and note the context in which they are said. John 6 39: And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, *that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing,* but should raise it up again at the last day. 40: And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. 44: *No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.* John 10 14: I am the good shepherd, *and know my sheep, and am known of mine.* 15: As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and *I lay down my life for the sheep.* 25: Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. 26: But *ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep,* as I said unto you. 27: *My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:* 28: And I give unto them eternal life; *and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.* 29: *My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.* Acts 13 46: Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. 47: For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. 48: And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: *and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.* Romans 8 28: And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, *to them who are the called according to his purpose.* 29: *For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.* 30: *Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.* Romans 9 13: As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. 14: What shall we say then? *Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.* 15: For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16: So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17: For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18: *Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.* 19: Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20: Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21: *Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?* 22: What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering *the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:* 23: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the *vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,* Ephesians 1 3: Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4: *According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:* 5: *Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,* 6: To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. 10: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 11: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, *being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:* 12: That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13: In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14: Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 1John 4 18: There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 19: *We love him, because he first loved us.* Ephesians 2 8: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9: Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10: For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, *which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.* 2Thessalonians 2 13: But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, *because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation* through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2Timothy 1 9: Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but *according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,* Jude 1 4: For there are certain men crept in unawares, *who were before of old ordained to this condemnation,* ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
And when the bible speaks on hate, it’s to hate the enemy, the world, the evil. We LOVE the person while we hate the evil that lives inside of them. Both do exists, but we should never purely hate anyone.
What about "I form the light and create darkness. I make peace and create evil I the lord do all these things." Isaiah 45:7. So if we hate evil, we hate the god character...what a fairy-tale 😂
@@arealniggah what if I told you that scripture only confirms God is Who He says He is. And to answer your question, no. God is saying He’s the GOAT. He’s created all things, and there is no other god equal to Him. God created good, and He created the devil, and allowed the devil to pervert the good that He created. God can make use of all things good and bad. But just because it’s bad and is a result of the devil’s perversion and allowed by God doesn’t mean that we can’t hate it. Because evil is not a quality of God. In context that verse is in response to Cyrus who believed in a “yin & yang” type deal where there are two equal gods of good and evil. If there’s only ONE true God that has ultimate power, then nothing can be allowed nor created except by Him. I hope this helps, and i would be more than happy to explain more.
I would say God hates some people. He hated the people before the flood and destroyed them. He hated the caananites and had them literally genocided. He hated the people of Sodom and Gammorah and blew their town up. But he hates them because they are evil, not because of how they are born or what they look like or who their parents are. God is righteous so even his hatred is righteous. We on the other hand tend to hate each other for other reasons. We are doing it in sin.
@@therealAZLN yes, even the sinful are loved. But not in the same way the elect are. To argue differently is to say God loves everyone equally, which implies everyone would go to heaven. Which is not the case at all
@@disguisedcentennial835 Allow me to clarify… God loves every person with an equal intensity of Love, and the same amount of love. That’s pretty clear in the Bible especially the NT. But God does not love everyone the same way. He has a “saving” love, or a love for his saved, however you want to look at it, which is different than his general love for the whole word. Think passages like Ephesians 5:25, Jude 21 or even Malachi 1:2-3. This is a different love than his unconditional love of the world found in John 3:16.
@@timothyvenable3336 Nowhere is there a biblical verse stating God loves the "elect" more than others. You are adding to scripture and you are assuming that if God loves everyone then that must mean everyone will make it to heaven. That's a lie, if God loves someone tjat does not mean they make it to heaven because God who loved the world so much and gave His Son to the world knows not everyone in the world whom He loves will receive Him. There is no such thing as "saving love" because the elect are warned their names can be removed from the book of life (Rev 22:19) You need to repent from this filthy doctrine. Had it been from God it wouldn't have taken 1,500 years for the Holy Spirit to "reveal" this "truth".
@@joeydaniel3053 I’m not even going to read this because you’re CLEARLY putting words in my mouth. I can’t even finish reading your response after the first sentence! I was VERY clear NOT to say God loves any one person or group of people MORE than another. I specifically said it’s a DIFFERENT KIND OF LOVE. Stop putting words in my mouth and accusing me of the exact thing you’re doing!
For someone who says context is important, you didn’t go over the context of the psalms passages talking of gods hate.. that’s definitely hate, even in context. If you’re going to say it just means loves less, you’ve made your own position unfalsifiable by definition.. and have made it impossible for God to communicate that He actually hates because you’ll always reinterpret it to mean “love less”.. like.. if God was actually going to communicate that He hates, what word could He possibly use that you wouldn’t just equivocate? Like I said, your interpretation uses a stacked the deck.
Totally agree with ya. There are six things the Lord hates- no, seven things he detests: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that kill the innocent, a heart that plots evil, feet that race to do wrong, Proverbs 6:16-18 NLT Changing hate in this passage would make it seem The Lord just loves these things less when in fact it says the Lord hates them. Why can't it just mean he hates it without trying to change the meaning around some kinda cultural context that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
@@Ecclesiastes724Hating a person as Michael Jones mentions and hating sin are not the same thing. Sin is to be abhorred, Human beings are to be pitied and witnessed to. Does Jesus literally expect his followers to hate their parents literally? No. He expects you to love him more than them.
@@eclipse3048 "For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive." 1 Corinthians 15:22 "Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous." Romans 5:18-19
@@chadpugh443 out of sight, out of mind.. God doesn't Hate, some people just cease to exist to him. It more like an Apathy towards somebody. That somebody could sexually assault children and genocide a whole nation to get Gods attention and when Satan says have you seen what Bob's done God is like "who?"
Thank you for this video. I’ve seen a few fundamentalist Christians use these verses to justify hating those they disagree with. It goes to show that often times the religious views of fundamentalists are more about making themselves look good, and bringing others down than having a relationship with God
Yeah i think im a fundamental christian and i hated people. I guess im not no longer. Since i realise mabey being legalistic and moralist isnt the way to get to christ Jesus. Not all of fundamentalist Christians are rotten don't get it twisted but most can be saved.
People especially, the 2023 version of "Christians" are dull of brain. They absolutely refuse to accept the true nature of God Genesis 6:7 God says "I will wipe these people off the face of the earth. What part of that verse speaks of love. God does not love you or even like you. At best his attitude toward us is one ambivalence or indifference. The phrase "God loves you" will send more people to hell than 1,000 satans.
Glad God loves everyone! Ill start believing that and put it into practice because its hard for me to love my enemies and those who havent directly harmed me!
He's incorrect about this though cuz he's taking things out of context cuz the same God of the Bible that loves us dearly also has brutal judgment deadly physical wrath there are a plethora of full passage versus in different areas of the Bible Old testament and New testament of how God is going to slay and even kill his enemies so God hates the wicked he doesn't love everybody the god of the Bible the same God that loves us also is a god of judgment and deadly physical wrath otherwise he wouldn't be a just God just like a a judge in a courtroom has to be a fair just judge and they wouldn't be Justice if they didn't punish the wicked that's the same thing with God but it's even higher because God's ways are higher than ours and its thoughts are higher than our God will punish the wicked and when he turns them over he hates the wicked he no longer loves them once he turns them over because he gives them over to a reprobate mind that's the same God otherwise he wouldn't be a God of Justice he wouldn't be a just God he has to punish the wicked
@@Issachar_Strong I just read it, and I didn’t find anything in there that says God hates unbelievers. It’s a book of judgement prophecy talking about how God will judge Assyria because of what they did to Jerusalem. I don’t get your point here.
@Elijah Who said anything about unbelievers? That entire book is about the destruction of the edomites during the end times. That judgment is for Esua's descendants who the Most High HATES. 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.
Read Genesis for the first time yesterday. I already knew the major parts of it, but it was the first time i read it completely. And i understood that.
You need to not stop short of John 3:16 and read to full way through for CONTEXT For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. 19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. 20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. 21 But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.” Continue in Verde 36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him. Yes whoseover means whoseover....but that whoseover is one who comes to the Son. Apart from the Son there is only wrath. God loves those who love him, and merciful to those who don't but will...but you gotta come to him when he calls, and draws you.
"I love you I just don't love the things you do, the things you think, the things you say, and the nature I gave you. So don't be you, be want I command you to be and we're all good. Ok? Ok."
Right? He believes it was literal in John 3:16 when it said “God so loved the world” but not in the parts that are inconvenient for his interpretation. Never mind the fact that the entire rest of John’s Gospel (and everything Jesus said on the topic) indicates God’s love is conditional based upon those whom He knew would believe and obey His Son…
For thou art not a God that desires iniquity; neither shall the worker of wickedness dwell with thee. Neither shall the transgressors continue in thy sight: thou hatest, O Lord, all them that work iniquity. Thou wilt destroy all that speak falsehood: the Lord abhors the bloody and deceitful man. (Psalms 5:5-7)
David wrote, 'shall I not hate those who hate you, oh God?'...yet Jesus said love your enemies. We definitely have to take the whole Bible in context and not build doctrine around isolated verses.
How convenient to state that one word is to be taken figuratively and not the other. Maybe when he said to “love” it really was about showing love and not about feeling it like some would understand.
„Depart from me, I never knew you, you workers of iniquity.“ Oh, he does hate some people. Everything they are doing is a stench in his nostrils and he’s storing up wrath for the Day of the Lord when he will execute judgment on them. It’s not extreme, it’s deeply biblical.
@Rabbi Giga Chad here's one - “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Is that a present tense for the demonstration of love? Oohh, I never saw that. Seriously, imagine having loved the world so much that you gave your son that the effects of that love are always accessible in this age - whoever believES in Him. Psalm 136 NIV Give thanks to the Lord, for he is good. His love endures forever. Give thanks to the God of gods. His love endures forever. Give thanks to the Lord of Lords: His love endures forever. Is that a present tense again? Sorry to burst the bubble. Use your head, He loved the world 'once', but He won't stop loving them because His love ENDURES forever. He doesn't change his mind and give up. The Chad of Chads
@@samueltomjoseph4775 God changes his mind in the Bible plenty of times. Study Open Theism. God's wrath comes on us for loving those who hate him: 2 Chronicles 19:2 NIV Jehu the seer, the son of Hanani, went out to meet him and said to the king, “Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the LORD? Because of this, the wrath of the LORD is on you.
@@kriegjaeger there's a difference between humans hating eachother. And God hating someone because God knows everything past and future and the thoughts in people's hearts. Humans do not
@@iBullyDemons Agreed! I was thinking something similar. Esau went on to father the tribe of Edom who would harry and harass the tribes of Israel especially as they were being punished by God through Bablyon. This though was not his will and for it they would be punished. With scripture we at least know the results of Esau's actions, but God knew everything from his character, motives and every event, choice in detail. Christ died so that all COULD be saved, but God does know who will reject him.
I’ve wrestled with this for a long time. I recognized my need for a savior about 6 years ago and became a Christian. But I always heard this taught the other way around, so I’ve never been confident that God didn’t hate me :( kinda sad that that’s the version of Christianity I was presented with
@@LuLu-wd6ip David is a Prophet speaking with the heart of God! In fact he was the apple of Gods eye! We can also look at these scriptures Malachi 1:2-3 declares, “‘I have loved you,’” says the LORD. But you ask, ‘How have you loved us?’ ‘Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?’ the LORD says. ‘Yet I have loved Jacob, but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals. Romans 9:10-13 (ESV) 10 And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad-in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls- 12 she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” Esau is the end and Jacob is the beginning. God hates his enemies. So much so that Jesus is going to soaked with blood 🩸 of his enemies when returns. We will wash our feet in these vessels of destructions blood and their ashes shall be on the soles of our feet. The king is coming. Hallelujah!!! and the devil is a liar.
Hate is a strong word, not the right one.. he clearly chooses one group over others and clearly favors some over others but hate isn't the right word for all the others he doesn't favor..
Hate is the absence of love. That breaks the 1 of two (2) commandments Jesus left for us. Matthew 22:39-40 [39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
I think Esau as a person is displayed badly among Christians. People hate Esau for nothing. All over the Bible, Esau committed no sin. I also don't understand why God would favor a cheat like Jacob over someone sinless like Esau.
because he was the second son. It's always the second that gets the blessing when it belongs to the first. Jacob is loved. Esau is hated. God loves the spirit but hates the flesh.
LMAO you do realize the descendants of esau are the ones calling themselves jews today and are committed countless wicked atrocities behind the scenes at this moment. Same bloodline that dates back to rome. the 13th tribe
It seems like the verb "to hate" is being used in a more active and concrete sense (kind of an individually enforced "shunning") than our modern understanding, which centers emotions of controlling anger and the desire to do harm, and leaves the contrete actions taken as a result to be situationally implied.
Sinners are kind of like a slurry made with water and corn starch. When you heat it up, it turns an otherwise thin and runny sauce thicker and more viscous. So God creates people he knows will go to hell because it helps to thicken the plot. Reality is basically a story that God composed and brought to life.
this just sounds like a fault on the translators' part. The verb "to hate" blatantly means also the contrary of "prefer", which yes, there's no word in english but a little sentence rearrangement and you'd get: "Whoever doesn't prefer me over their mother and father won't enter the Kingdom". It's not about literal vs figurative, it's about translation.
Whenever someone tries to convince you that a word does not mean what it says ,for instance "hate". That's a sign of cult tactics! You can't say' love' means 'love' when dealing with the text then turn around and have a double standard and say but 'hate' needs cultural context! Give ' love' cultural context and explain how it doesn't mean God loves anybody! Your logic is trash.
I find it odd we don’t do this with any other characteristic of God except “hate”. We don’t dance around love, patience, kindness, gentleness, long suffering, but my goodness if God hates we must exonerate him immediately and say hate doesn’t actually mean what the Bible says it means. This is extremely inconsistent with every other characteristic the Bible uses about God.
I agree with you why do we gotta pretend hate doesn't really mean what it means? Somehow we gotta say it means something else instead of accepting that if It's written God hates something or someone it probably means he actually does. There are six things the Lord hates- no, seven things he detests: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that kill the innocent, a heart that plots evil, feet that race to do wrong, Proverbs 6:16-18 NLT But I guess maybe God just loves these things less because of cultural context.
*Yet another false teaching from someone who never knew scripture well enough to recognize any of the thousands of blasphemous and obvious changes the Antichrist made to God's word.* Psalms 11:5 “The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.” King James Version (KJV)
Did you not listen to the video? He just said that hate can be used for simply preferring something over another thing, or simply loving less, and he gave biblical and historical evidence. A repetition of the thesis that has been answered using an English translation does nothing. Could you refute his points atleast?
Wisdom 11:24 says otherwise. its just an anthromorphization of God's characteristics, he is love, so its logical for him to hate sin and 'hate' sinners. also its psalms, its all poetry, i dont speak hebrew so i wont pretend i do, but its evident that either a) the bible is contradictory (refer to the above bible verse), or b) its just as i stated previously, poetic language to emphasize something in relation to God, as IP said, and as i stated with anthromorphization. its the same deal with calling him 'father', referring to him as 'him', and other parts like 'sitting at the right hand of God', all anthromorphizations. so you're right, yet another false teaching from someone who never knew scripture, however it isnt IP, its you.
And the use of extreme language to describe "Gods" such as *Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnibenevolent* etc etc etc I'm sorry..... who am I to tell Christians which words to take literally or figuratively or as exaggerations 🙄🙄
We do the same thing this day and age when you say to your brothers or sisters “I hate you” in a playful way that doesn’t even mean to love them less but more like a (facetious, in the moment, kind of annoyance.) we should probably work on that…
I really think it just reflects the culture that the Hebrews lived in. It was a culture more focused on hate than love, so it made sense to say hate instead of loved less. Our culture today is very focused on love
I kinda agree, but our culture is focues on HATE. Everything chaotic that is going on does not produce good fruit neither it came from good. Just walk by in a street of a City, you feel no love you feel the anymosity and the hate (of course not of everyone, but for the most part people do not care about anything or anyone). Violence is glorified, order is hated. Love is seen as weakness.
@@Stophatingalready If you love someone, you don't always do things that they like, you do things that are hard that they dislike out of love, because it is what's right. You might tell them the hard truth instead of an easy lie, for example. Think about how that contrasts with modern culture...
@@cwheels01 yes, exactly. First example that comes to mind: Fat people. Friends (who are actually snakes in the grass) Keep talling their Fat friends they are 10s, perfect like this and there is nothing wrong with being Fat, those are lies. And on top of that, they consider "Fatphobic" people who disagree with their perverted views of beauty standards and health. Guess what's the first insult they throw at them when they start arguing... That's not love, that's hate and deception.
@@jakebarnes3054 Hebrews were chosen to be a special nation which reveals God and His ways. They weren't chosen to be saved. The fact that most israelites didn't enter the promised land tells you that people are not gonna be saved unconditionally but it's up to you what is gonna be your final destiny.
@@dimitartodorov4826 Paul tells us, indeed, that not all are Israel which are of Israel. But what you said is borderline blasphemous- that it's up to you what happens. It's clear that God commands all things in accordance with His divine will. Proverbs 16 4: The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. If this were true, God would be weak and unable to save the people He wanted to save. God would be wringing His hands, hoping just one more sinner would turn to Him. But this is not the case: God is the God of salvation, the God of the living. He is El Gibor- The Mighty God, who declares the end from the beginning. Ephesians 1 3: Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4: According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6: To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. John 6 39: And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, *that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing,* but should raise it up again at the last day. 40: And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. 44: *No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.*
Actually no he didn't he has a gross misunderstanding of God's the Bible makes it very clear that God hates the wicked god of the Bible would not be the same God if he didn't if he didn't show that he's a just God he has to punish the wicked he doesn't love everybody that is not true it's not just a Love Love Gospel he loves us but he also is a god of wrath and physical deadly wrath and judgment and he hates the wicked and we could do hers and those that hate the truth that's why he's going to punish them otherwise he wouldn't be a just God if you're believing just to love only gospel that's alive in the pits of hell that's heresy that's not the biblical God this guy is incorrect he's taking things out of context I heard you to listen to Pastor John MacArthur or even David Jeremiah and you'll learn what I'm telling you
This also isn’t even abandoned “You hate them compared to how much I love them” Ok, that might be from the Madagascar movie, but the point is still there.
I just thought I would reach out and say I like your content. I am Atheist. I like to study all parts of culture and believe that understanding people's religious beliefs helps you learn a lot about them.
Thanks for this. Within the recent years I started coming across people who suggested God did in fact hate certain people and not their sin. Which doesn't correlate well with Salvation, seeing as Jesus died and rose again for the whole world, not some individuals. He calls all to repentance.
My friend's a Calvinist and Romans 9 is always the verse he uses to defend his beliefs. I still respect Reformed Christians, but their beliefs sometimes just don't line up with what I've seen in the Bible.
Sometimes context is a dangerous path to walk down especially when His ways are higher than our ways. If you were the unnamed prophet, would you also try to decipher God’s Word using context? Look how that turned out for him.
Kiergkegaard in his work Fear and Trembling says regarding commentators on the New Testament who say that hating one's brother and sister means loving them less, that this is clearly *not* what it means. It's making a point that loving family members and friends is meaningless outside of the context of loving God and His eternal values. And that is how God was able to ask Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, even though Abraham ultimately didn't have to follow through on it.
We use hyperbolic language all the time. However, it tends to be a problem for those who are skeptical or apathetic towards God when it comes to the use of hyperbolic language in the bible.
Bro love your work. So my question is why would God command the Israelites to kill the other people in the OT? If he loves them why not find another approach? Btw I’m not trying to poke holes I genuinely am trying to grow in my relationship with God. Thank you again for your work.
God used His chosen people to bring judgement on the wicked. There were hundreds of years of sinful behavior they were judged for, one common example given is the Canaanites sacrificing their children to Molech
Romans 9:11-13,15-16,18-21 KJVS (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) [12] It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. [13] As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. [15] For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. [16] So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. [18] Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. [19] Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? [20] Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? [21] Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? You do not understand how God goes about His strange work. Isaiah 28:21 KJVS For the Lord shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.
Yes GOD does not hate the person he hates the SIN they commit! Jacob was devoted to GOD while Esau was devoted to Idolatry, GOD hates Idolatry and he hated Esau committing Idolatry!
Actually I think God did hate the descendants of Esau, because God said that He would destroy them and they will not live, now I do know that God does indeed love all people but this is one of those strange stories that God talked about wiping these people off the face of the earth.
