Does God Have a Future? NightLine DEBATE FULL 

"But if Harris is no physicist, how can he recognise what is physics and what is not physics?" -Me

@@fukpoeslaw3613 Because even without the former degree in it, the basics we learn in school demonstrates that Deepak is just spitting those terms.

​@Fu*k Poe's Law! If you put ketchup and mustard in a bowl of soup and serve it to me, I could tell your not a 5 star chef. I would bet my car that your not a top chef. I have absolutely zero training in the culinary arts but I think it's a safe bet...

@@fukpoeslaw3613 so you can talk nonsense too, well done.

but so far we have seen that lack of islam leads to destruction for example: Free sex leads to killing of unborn babies, destroys marriages, destroy kids psychologically, free drugs/alcohol destroys decency, persons and society and make people behave like a animals, marriageless couples have no security/no commitment they f**k around and run away from responsibility that comes after sex and union, the list goes on and on …. look at your morals and ethics when it comes to war - your athiest friends are killing babies and bombing hospitals and Gaza. What we have is Quran and the teaching of Prophet, where all things are made clear, 1. no sex before a written marriage contract with eye witnesses, no killing of animals, no destruction of plants, no bombardment of unarmed civilians, God says in the Quran to kill one human unjustly is to kill an entire humanity. God is not weak, He says fight until the oppression is completely rid off with all means, looks at the rights of women in Islam and you'll be blown away, Athiests, and non muslims - you must know that Quran is a book which says it is compulsory for men and women to get themselves highly educated in all sciences and arts etc....what are you non-muslims on about honestly. Seriously what can you offer? what has athism and Godlessnes has done to societies - just open your eyes and ears and see - you will be ashamed if you are sincere! Please again go and read Quran - especially if you love science May God Guide us all and prevent from these nonsensical uneducated bullS**t

This

Surprised I haven’t seen this quote before. Thanks for sharing🤘😎

And Hitchens, and Dawkins. Hitchens may not be alive, but oh boy he is in our hearts. Hitchen forever ❤️

This comment made me lose faith in humanity.

Not going to lie, this ironically has a kind of religious tinge to it, if you think about replacing Sam Harris with the word Jesus, etc., like so: "sometimes I get sad, and lose faith in humanity. Then I think of Jesus/Our Savior/etc." It's especially ironic when you consider Sam Harris's stated opposition to dogmatic thinking.

@@JET7C0 you dorks are so desperate XD faith in humanity =/= faith in something that isnt even real. Nobody worships sam harris, nobody offers animal or human sacrifices for sam harris.. none of that nonsense XD project more

Sam Harris for God!!!

Have u seen who he debates!!!! Lol to him this is nothing most debates he has to listen to even more bullshit haha

Sam Harris is my personal idol... Seriously

Wambumbu yeah me too. Love his book spirituality without religion

It's cuz he meditates like fuck

It's meditation. :)

Could you please state at which minutes was that said?

Found it: 27:26

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but so far we have seen that lack of islam leads to destruction, for example: Free sex leads to killing of unborn babies, destroys marriages, destroy kids psychologically, free drugs/alcohol destroys decency, persons and society and make people behave like a animals, marriageless couples have no security/no commitment they f**k around and run away from responsibility that comes after sex and union, the list goes on and on …. look at your morals and ethics when it comes to war - your athiest friends are killing babies and bombing hospitals and Gaza. What we have is Quran and the teaching of Prophet, where all things are made clear, 1. no sex before a written marriage contract with eye witnesses, no killing of animals, no destruction of plants, no bombardment of unarmed civilians, God says in the Quran to kill one human unjustly is to kill an entire humanity. God is not weak, He says fight until the oppression is completely rid off with all means, looks at the rights of women in Islam and you'll be blown away, Athiests, and non muslims - you must know that Quran is a book which says it is compulsory for men and women to get themselves highly educated in all sciences and arts etc....what are you non-muslims on about honestly. Seriously what can you offer? what has athism and Godlessnes has done to societies - just open your eyes and ears and see - you will be ashamed if you are sincere! Please again go and read Quran - especially if you love science May God Guide us all and prevent from these nonsensical uneducated bullS**t

+David Sebastian that phrase has become quite handy for me to use when discussing topics with people i know.

Saying it calmly doesn't make anything true either.

Garrett McGowan I don't support Deepak but he can be a bit funny at times. But Harris gets on my nerves because he has the calm ways of a preacher, which is quite telling.

@@kayem3824 That's right. What you say matters more than how you say. But religion has nothing meaningful to say. Hence, religion focuses on how to say.

No, I tend to think that earnestly repetitive people are still trying to convince themselves. People trying to support something untenable, people displaying prejudice. And by prejudice, I mean a belief that is regarded as axiomatic, needing no proof, and not allowed to be challenged.

You can imagine Deepak is having an internal crisis as he envisions his house of cards collapsing.

Deepak is a con artist suddenly angry that he's being exposed as a clown by an intellectual Penn and Teller pointing out Deepak's bullshit

@@TonyCanones mainly his income flow that pays for his houses XD hes such a grifter

You should read Quran before you face your quantum sense in your grave

@@qustuntunia8689 always with the threats of hell haha. Can't you see that for atheists that's like threating us with the fury of Zeus? Doesn't say anything to us. At the same time it does say something about you. That you want to threaten people into believing what you believe. Isn't that twisted?

That’s what all theists do once you’ve called them out on their bullshit.

Deepak is selling a product. That's his aim, so he yells over points that he knows destroy the nonsense he's selling. And that's why you see religious debaters shouting over Hitchens, Harris, Dawkins, etc. too. Because the religious themselves know that gods are nonsense

@@forestlathers4052 How about a link to a debate where an atheist did that?

@@lumpheadthump It would be interesting to see a discussion where religious people are demonstrating that atheism is incorrect and the atheist reacts by starting to speak louder and repeating their points. I'm not aware of any such discussion but I'd definitely like to know more if such thing did happen.

@@lumpheadthump I'm pretty sure many theistic people do actually believe in things that they speak about. Of course, they don't agree with each other because each has a bit different idea about their religion. However, I agree that many theistic people fall back to repeating same stuff again and again when they hit contrary evidence.

What a wonderful day it will be, when an Atheist is elected into office. Unfortunately, Americans beleive in angels, more than they do in evolution right now...😒

Watching this idiot speak makes me want to stab Deepak in the eye. He incoherently strings words together and then acts as though he must be smarter than you because you don't understand his nonsense.

"We are each a localized field of energy and information with cybernetic feedback loops interacting within a nonlocal field..."

@Garrett McGowan and like most religious leaders, he’s duping people for millions

It is tragic that so many deists are so certain about something that they cannot possibly know based on faith alone

sauniz1 I know it's old... but I just came across your comment and I MUST say... It's perfect. Never before I've seen religious stupidity so beautifully worded.

Nice one! I'm stealing this quote.

Ricksflicks, same. I like that ending: "from his hate, through his love".

Perfectly put! It's almost as if the tribal god suffered such a blow to his ego and yet was so loathe to actually kill humans that he tricked them into believing one of them had appeased him and thus controlling them forevermore through guilt! This is so stupid they seem to be the actions of a petty 5 year old rather than an all knowing being.

frogstamper What do you believe to be an example of an 'intelligent' utterance by Sam 'Shmuel' Harris?

***** Are fucking serious, he was the only one speaking an semblance of logic of the two. Deepak Chopra is a master at one thing: taking womens' money. He completely fails at any cohesive thought. He simple regurgitates words he doesn't understand, "quantum consciousness is the localized energy of the neutrino" WTF?

***** You're wrong because the force of quantum consciousness is nonlocalized.

***** I'm noticing a general theme of gibberish here.

***** Appeal to Authority. Google it. Transcend quantum space and time for only the spirit is nonlocal.

True …but have you read Quran or you’re settling for Sam, sam has nothing to offer except false confidence like a magician. Go and read Quran you’ll know what is real

+theviolatedtwinky He does have a point though. Think of all the smart fucks working away at bombs and the next great weapon. It pisses me off. The military industrial complex. I wish we all could just say let's stop fucking fighting already. Anyway, I love Harris's response. It's the religions whakados that get the weapons that can cause the most harm, including our wonderful USA.

+Beenthere Donethat Oh, religious arguments.

***** Oh look, a defensive Christian wasting their time trying to convince people on the internet. Rare.

DA MOOWN!?

How appropriate. Deepak's _Quantum Soup_ is the perfect companion for the _Pea Soup_ he's trying to serve... In case the metaphorical context of Pea Soup isn't clear: www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/pea%20soup#:~:text=You%20can%20use%20the%20phrase,green%20or%20yellow%20split%20peas.

Word salad.

Lol I think it may be one of the biggest bullshit quotes in history !! Omg !! I would have loved a slowdown and for it to be reflected back to him for him to explain in more detail.

Depak had his pants pulled down.

Actually, it’s seriously amazing. He never says anything at all though it sounds utterly exquisite. It’s a gift nonetheless. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@@tiagobjesus He is just trying to show off his English.

Yeah you’re right…but have you read Quran it makes life easier for everyone

Gab on Dirt His colleague looks lik a pimp.

His colleague is Dr. Michael Shermer, director and publisher of Skeptic Magazine, he's probably the most prominent skeptic in the world, you should join the skeptic society, get a monthly magazine and a little gold lapel pin that says "Skeptic" :)

And you're right, Hitch will never be replaced, can't be replaced :( He was unquestionably the most impressive intellectual and public speaker of our time

Hitch had an effortless literary style that no one else will probably ever have and he wasn't afraid to be ruthless. Love the guy. But I think Sam Harris has a calm dignity that might make a lot of people consider his position. He really knows his arguments and texts too.

Hitch was a genius orator, with lots of insight in history, but I don't appreciate him as much in an atheist debate as Sam Harris and Matt Dillahunty who are always dissecting and breaking down theistic arguments, taking them head on. Hitchens, Krauss and Dawkins usually just dismiss religion as BS straight up, and talk about how stupid it is. In the latter, both sides are just preaching to their own, and aren't trying to have a proper argument.

Read Quran boss

idk, when i watch Sam Harris talked to RIchard Dawkins & Christopher Hitchens, Harris seems like the runt of the batch.

He has intellect, yes, but what impresses me far more is his instinct for the relevant: wisdom

I love this comment so much. The only thing worse than that movie is Deepak.

Whammy! I enjoy both those comments! But the only thing worse than Deepak is when Deepak's bad ideas have bad consequences in the lives of others. I feel for him also - assuming he wasn't deeply pleased with himself throughout the experience. I suspect the closest I have been to experiencing Deepak's state of dissonance was the one negative mushroom trip I had - or maybe what's more comparable is whenever I decide to purchase unnecessary entertainment. Regardless, it is highly consequential that we discover the particular scientific remedy for Deepak's condition - for if Deepak can be convinced it surely follows that all intelligent life forms can!

Deepak is not a philosopher. Philosophers do make very good insights about human existence and mind actually before science can explain mechanisms.

not really something to boast about mate.

Deepak is a charlatan

Self delusion is real, and is impossible to debate.

And where do you turn to when you’re sad, or depressed yourself, Sam Harris …what does atheist have to offer - nothing … read Quran it clarifies everything …. Then try to make these nonsensical judgemental statements prof nonsense

@@qustuntunia8689 even if it offers something, doesn't mean it's real. If it is useful for you, enjoy. But don't try to convince people that it's real

It’s true. My understanding of Kabbalistic mystical Judaism, and it’s central text the Zohar, evolved quickly in the wake of the Spanish Inqusition. Many of those expelled were utterly disillusioned. Then mystical religiosity followed.

Well it's more like people turn to things that give them comfort and for some people religious belief fills that void. I'm not justifying it, just expanding on the talking point.

He's verbally so emotional and aggressive, it totally undermines any knowledge he might have.

@@SS-qp2ex to be fair, his arguments and his position also totally undermine any knowledge he might have.

He’s a a**whole of first water

What does the first 3 sentence mean 😂😂

That statement is going to be my new mantra when I meditate.

That would be true if one assigns consciousness to quarks. LoL2. Thanks for the quote.

What he meant was moon would be a collective stardust and gas

And also the stupidest remark ever spoken

That doesn't mean that Universal Consciousness isn't true

he is correct, who will tell that moon is there if no one is looking

@@ayushmann5897 Things don't disappear because you're not looking at them

the double slit experiment shows there is very strange things happening when it comes to our observing

@@oldmate86 the one who knows this is also gone

@@wasteKa agreed, perception and reality are starting to become a slippery slope.

+Velaphi “VtheVowel” Ramphele I dig it. Spot on, but he just skips right over the biggest rub for most atheist I think. "Tell each other that death is an illusion" ...."pretending to know things we don't know". I mean that makes tons of sense to you and me, but a true "believer" is just that, the beleive even more then we believe the science and that gets scary. I don't even go there with my family anymore because it is take sooooo personal. And I understand, it is personal. But it kinda makes me mad when we get kids involved. Like Harris, I almost see it as child abuse with the current state of science. That good little Christian family thing. uhg, It just gets so complicated. I wish I could be as up front as Sam here, but it would be ugly. The one place we can put our foot down is in education and science. When a Christian starts bringing science into the discussion they get smashed.

Because Sam is debating with a person who’s book has been changed so he has nothing to stand. Go and read Quran and then see if Sam is still your leader

but so far we have seen, is that lack of islam leads to destruction for example: Free sex leads to killing of unborn babies, destroys marriages, destroy kids psychologically, free drugs/alcohol destroys decency, persons and society and make people behave like a animals, marriageless couples have no security/no commitment they f**k around and run away from responsibility that comes after sex and union, the list goes on and on …. look at your morals and ethics when it comes to war - your athiest friends are killing babies and bombing hospitals and Gaza. What we have is Quran and the teaching of Prophet, where all things are made clear, 1. no sex before a written marriage contract with eye witnesses, no killing of animals, no destruction of plants, no bombardment of unarmed civilians, God says in the Quran to kill one human unjustly is to kill an entire humanity. God is not weak, He says fight until the oppression is completely rid off with all means, looks at the rights of women in Islam and you'll be blown away, Athiests, and non muslims - you must know that Quran is a book which says it is compulsory for men and women to get themselves highly educated in all sciences and arts etc....what are you non-muslims on about honestly. Seriously what can you offer? what has athism and Godlessnes has done to societies - just open your eyes and ears and see - you will be ashamed if you are sincere! Please again go and read Quran - especially if you love science May God Guide us all and prevent from these nonsensical uneducated bullS**t

but so far we have seen, is that lack of islam leads to destruction for example: Free sex leads to killing of unborn babies, destroys marriages, destroy kids psychologically, free drugs/alcohol destroys decency, persons and society and make people behave like a animals, marriageless couples have no security/no commitment they f**k around and run away from responsibility that comes after sex and union, the list goes on and on …. look at your morals and ethics when it comes to war - your athiest friends are killing babies and bombing hospitals and Gaza. What we have is Quran and the teaching of Prophet, where all things are made clear, 1. no sex before a written marriage contract with eye witnesses, no killing of animals, no destruction of plants, no bombardment of unarmed civilians, God says in the Quran to kill one human unjustly is to kill an entire humanity. God is not weak, He says fight until the oppression is completely rid off with all means, looks at the rights of women in Islam and you'll be blown away, Athiests, and non muslims - you must know that Quran is a book which says it is compulsory for men and women to get themselves highly educated in all sciences and arts etc....what are you non-muslims on about honestly. Seriously what can you offer? what has athism and Godlessnes has done to societies - just open your eyes and ears and see - you will be ashamed if you are sincere! Please again go and read Quran - especially if you love science May God Guide us all and prevent from these nonsensical uneducated bullS**t

lol thanks )

Michael Shermer.

dnbo6njak Thank you!!

Bender Bending Rodriguez The one who looks like a second hand car salesman.

Kay Em lol Michael Shermer does look like a car salesman but he's a genius

You can even laugh if you want….but have you read Quran boss

***** "At the very core of all religious Intentions Is this common spirituality" - you sound just like Chopra. You make bold statements and assertions without the slightest attempt to support your claims. "God has /always/ been a "metaphor" for meaning and beauty and now the word God Is finally honoring that truth" is just meaningless babble - I'm surprised you couldn't work some quatum physics "woo" in there. "When we say God, we've always meant the same thing, we've always been Intuitively speaking about a transcendent experience" - have you considered delusion instead?

***** " I'm sure you know about the God helmet" - the converted snowmobile helmet which - supposedly - creates a "transcendental state"? If it worked, then there would be no "god", merely misfiring neurons, but as NO researcher has been able to reproduce this "effect" self reported by Persinger your point is moot. Perhaps, instead of "woo", you might actually try reading some scientific works? Maybe start with "Neuroscience Letters" in 2005, or "The Psychologist" (25 (7): 520-523) - both articles which pint out just how silly the "god helmet" actually is. What's so hard to understand? That only people WITHOUT science degrees talk the type of tripe you do.

***** Do you not even read your own posts? You SPECIFICALLY referred to the "god hat" - now your trying to conflate that useless piece of woo with transcranial magnetic stimulation. You are just as bad and deluded as chopra. You've never read a science text, never studied any science, just picked up fringe babble and spruke it as if you're knowledgeable of a topic. You're a moron.

***** " If you'd be clear with your critiques" - well let me try this tack? YOU are doing exactly what chopra is doing. The mainstream religions have "god" wrong - YOUR definition is correct. Chopra is wrong about "god" - YOUR definition is correct. And the FUN part is you assert this without the slightest support for any "god" even existing, or how YOU came to know arguably the most important truth in the universe when all others have failed. I do not "misunderstand" you. I understand you all too well - you're a moron.

***** LOL you're a real loon.

Nah. He is a coward who sold himself out to wokism and Neo Marxists.

Chroma Red that was awesome. Deepak was properly exposed and put in his place.

Anthony Dean It's outrageous how he is constantly corrected by his peers.

+Chroma Red "starts"

+Chroma Red Well actually Sam ia no wonder boy. I will be posting some comments soon about the fallacies of his statements. It is also possible that much of the crowd is not up to date with some of the attempts at synthesis of spirituality and physics/science. Of course these are early attempts and in the future they will become more cogent. Deepak is just trying to present some of these attempts and all power to him for doing so. Sam was just being a smart aleck and trying to win the debate. Actually physics and science without the truths of spirituality are just inert mechanisms--but most of you here won't agree as you revel in mechanistic laws and insentient principles. Physics and science without the higher creative genius consciousness (known as GOD) is like a car without its driver (and please do not bring in Dawkins with his silly arguments about a complex creator being improbable and therefore impossible, because that argument is not his and was seen as childish by more advanced intellects).

+y12bute I sort of agree with what you are saying. In my opinion, physics and science don't have to have the "truths" of spirituality to back them up. I'm all for science trying to figure that out though. If they can actually create testable physics/spiritual experiments and draw some conclusions then I'm all for it. But right now I think "spirituality" is a personal thing. Physics and science are everywhere. Maybe there is a unifying force, but that is yet to be determined. That might be the God of the future they are talking about.

Whenever I watch religious debates I try my hardest to listen to the point made and weigh the validity of arguments on their own basis without allowing myself to be biased in any way because at the end of the day if you go in with your ears plugged, you don't really learn anything do you? With that being said, it was extremely difficult to fight the sensation that Chopra was literally speaking out of his asshole as he regurgitates all the fancy words he can out there so that something will stick creating sentences that sound great, but really belong written on a roll of toilet paper as they have absolutely no meaning.. I got a little sick when I went to his website to see he charges $2000 for a four day seminar. Con artist is the best way to describe him.

1) You insult deepak for making statements about some UNTESTABLE nature of the universe -- but please remember current scientific theory suggests 12 UNTESTABLE DIMENSIONS. right ? Further... 2) the observer effect shows that without a human observer, photons behave as WAVES or they behave as if in a state of POTENTIAL -- yet when observed they become PARTICLES, behaving as physical matter. So is it MIND-BLOWINGLY OBTUSE of Deepak to hypothesize that a conscious observer MAY BE NECESSARY for all energy to behave as physical matter ? It's an extrapolation - YES - but it's not incoherent. That doesn't sound any more CRAZY than saying things Materialist Scientists say: "We popped out of nothing." "God is unnecessary in our crazy theories, therefore god is unlikely." "Material substances CAUSE immaterial phenomena." i.e. Brain CAUSES Mind. Really? Does matter follow rules of energy ? Or does Energy follow rules of matter? Who is leading this dance ? Answer: ENERGY LEADS. *Immaterial Forces/Causes DICTATE Material Responses/Effects.* PS - what makes you a "physicist"? Because i've been studying physics for 10 years - does that make ME a physicist? According to the Definition of Expert, that alone makes me an EXPERT in physics. Do i need to get PAID by someone else to call myself a physicist? Do i need a piece of paper from a physicist with his blessing to call myself a physicist? What makes YOU more of an expert than ME? You didn't demonstrate mastery of EITHER TOPIC: Science or Spirituality in your comment.

String theory/M-theory/etc. is not a scientific theory as it has not been corroborated by experimentation, it's a theory only in the mathematical sense. But that's a side note since if it is confirmed by evidence then your points still stand. First: If the theory _requires_ the assumption of more dimensions in order for its conclusions to hold, and if it is _verified by experiment_, then it becomes the best explanation we have. Until then it is foolish to believe these untested aspects of string theory. And if it turns out that string theory is in principle untestable, then it will be disqualified from science. Second: Deepak did not merely hypothesize that concious observers are necessary, he stated it as a fact. Since it is not actually a fact, he was dishonest. And like I showed, this claim is in principle untestable, whereas the extra dimensions may make testable predictions. Third: Crazy things can turn out to be true; what's important is not how crazy one thinks the proposition is, but whether or not any _evidence_ exists to back it up. When you re-define "nothing" to mean what physicists actually mean, it's not actually inconsistent as it is with the philosophical definition, and moreover there is _evidence_ backing it up. Fourth: Energy and matter are interchangeable; therefore the question of who-rules-whom is meaningless. The laws of nature are trends we observe; energy and matter follow these trends, and neither rules the other. Ad. PS: What makes you a physicist, or scientist in general, is whether you _do_ science. Reading scientific literature doesn't qualify you, though it is admirable to do so. Getting paid doesn't qualify you, hell, look at the anti-climate-science guys bought off by corporations. You have to try to create new hypotheses, try and test competing explanations with experiment, and ultimately present your findings to the world, allowing for criticism unlike those who try to censor skeptical opinions. In short: you have to _do_ science to be a scientist. I don't claim to be more of an expert than you; I don't even claim to be an expert. I just _do_ physics, particle physics to be precise.

ghollisjr I am not a physicist.Your last sentence made me clear why while I was reading your post I was feeling clarity and logical coherence. This why I admire science and scientists.

Many types of people get loud when they are defending what they believe. Yes he is abrasive to a civil conversation. I've never liked being yelled at. It's very distracting and I think quite rude. Sam is a cool dude AND he talks sensible with style and wit. I think it's funny when the woman on the right raises her hand for a turn to speak.

@@JosephNordenbrockartistraction what religion does he believe in

+Brett Perry The beauty of spiritual woo woo. Say some complicated stuff that is mystical and throw in some quantum shit and you're all good.

My thinking exactly. He speaks a lot of words, but says nothing. Deepak reminds me of a used car salesman. Notice how Sam Harris measures his responses, and how thoughtful and well reasoned they are. That says it all.

***** Just double talk and nonsense. Go away.

***** You had used the words spirituality concepts, and tried to give them some meaning but frankly failed miserably. Why do you think that is? Could it be that the concept does not have any interpretable meaning. Like I said just nonsense. Google the word spirituality and learn this.

***** When ideas are promoted that are patently false, and someone tries to pass it off as something worthwhile, ridicule of that idea is in order in the 21st century. If I did not do it someone else would have. Happily, there are people around today that will not let you get away with it.

***** The same thing can be said what you are writing. IF you look up the definitions of the words you are using you might see who is right and wrong. But without even knowing what you are talking about, this get us no where. However, clearly patently false ideas promoted need ridicule. It is a good thing, but with your warped sense of values you see it as a bad thing. Too bad.

No boss, go and read Quran that’s where reality lies ….well if you haven’t read it don’t get upset …just go and read first

Very well said, but Sam is still giving great speeches and interviews. I tried the meditation thing, I gave up after a week, my dog kept distracting me. I think Sam does these kinds of debates just for the money. He is trying to hide his disgust and give the audience something to listen to, but Shermer can't hide it,he looks like he is watching an episode of The Long island medium. He just wants his check and get out of there. It's sad to think how rich Chopra has become flinging this horse shit, but I guess there's good money to be made being a naked emperor.

@@davidsheriff9274 It’s always easier to make money off of ignorant people who want a new drug. It’s not religion per se, but it’s religion. And whatever they’re selling, it’s always Soma. Also, when I said “interviews,” I meant the interviews that Sam conducts on his dot org.

I've been saying for a long time that I don't believe in science; I believe in scientific method. That requires coming up with theories and *repeatable* tests that can be used to test those theories. And when somebody can come up with a new repeatable test that makes existing theories to fail, we start to look for a new explanation. And if the Bible or Koran or any other religious writing provided *any* theory that could explain the observations we have, I would believe in those, too. The major difference between religion and scientific method is that scientific method assumes that the theory we have is just an approximation and we're constantly improving the theory and tests. Religion has "rules set in stone" and no matter how much contrary information you can find in nature, the religion cannot be ever fixed to better match with reality. That alone makes me non-religious in long run because I want to understand nature and surrounding world.

@@MikkoRantalainen You are generalizing about religion in ways that, to me, mean that you don't understand it. Further, if you think of something like "thou shall not kill", can you detail in what way this is merely opinion and is not grounded in anything? What is the contrary information that makes murder OK? What would it look like?

@@konberner170 I agree that "thou shall not kill" seems clear enough if we *assume* that killing means killing another adult human being. However, when people start to argue that that alone should be enough to disallow stem cell research, we have a big problem. Of course, a sane solution would be to amend that piece of text to explicitly mention that this is about people (whatever definition you want) things would be much more clear. But you cannot amend the text due *religious* reasons. Religion is not about getting perfect set of rules in long run. It's about trying to follow some arcane set of rules. Show me a religion what allows amending rules (I mean rules comparable to the Bible for that religion, not opening hours for a church) and still continue to be called the same religion! I've yet to learn about such religion but I'd be happy to learn about such a religion. Compare this to scientific method that always tries to find the truth and simply creates models (called "theory" in natural sciences) that try to describe the reality and whenever new evidence is found that is contrary the model, the model will be fixed to match the reality instead of coming up with some "interpretation" for the model or evidence that allows skipping modifying the model. If the Bible offered the best explanation of reality, anybody using scientific method should gravitate towards it. However, it seems that the more we know about reality, the further we get from the Bible. And I would assume that the same is true for all sacred writings of any religion.

​@@MikkoRantalainen Buddhism doesn't even have rules. It instead has "training experiments". For example, you can try not drinking for a few months and see if your life gets better or not. Buddha even said in paraphrase, "Don't believe anything anyone says, including me." Taoism is about not doing and allowing life to be as it is. It points out that the value in a pot is the emptiness inside it that allows contents and not the pot itself. So, your openness to life is what is of value. It goes on to specifically critique fixed rules and moralizing and points out that "the good" cannot be determined through moralizing, as it is situational. Christianity is associated with lots of rules and the original bible even has the 10 commandments, but note that the beatitudes of Jesus, who claimed to not replace but to clarify God message, are all observations and not commandments. So there are at least 2 and perhaps 3 examples of how a strawman version of religion that takes the lowest form and claims it to be the entirety of it is missing some really great stuff. That said, well done on acknowledging that ethics is not doable by science, and something else is needed. Call that other thing what you'd like, but for some, religion is the term they use.

@@konberner170 I would argue that, a training experiments such as "try not drinking and see what happens" as you gave as paraphrased example for Buddhism, is not a religion - as in a religion shared by multiple people. Instead, that's some rough guidelines or method to improve your own life based on trial and error on your personal life. But the results are not applicable to other people and are definitely not rules that should be everybody with the same religion. If one defines Buddhism like that, then I guess I'm Buddhist even though I'd usually claim to be metaphysical naturalist if a single label is required for some reason.

Yeah like l Ron Hubbard spewing bullshit to make money. And Creflo Dollar, Joel Osteen, Jim Bakker as nauseum

Total pseudo-intelectual talker. He's talking nothing.

He can explain tough concepts in a very plain, understandable, and clever way 👍

but so far we have seen, is that lack of islam leads to destruction for example: Free sex leads to killing of unborn babies, destroys marriages, destroy kids psychologically, free drugs/alcohol destroys decency, persons and society and make people behave like a animals, marriageless couples have no security/no commitment they f**k around and run away from responsibility that comes after sex and union, the list goes on and on …. look at your morals and ethics when it comes to war - your athiest friends are killing babies and bombing hospitals and Gaza. What we have is Quran and the teaching of Prophet, where all things are made clear, 1. no sex before a written marriage contract with eye witnesses, no killing of animals, no destruction of plants, no bombardment of unarmed civilians, God says in the Quran to kill one human unjustly is to kill an entire humanity. God is not weak, He says fight until the oppression is completely rid off with all means, looks at the rights of women in Islam and you'll be blown away, Athiests, and non muslims - you must know that Quran is a book which says it is compulsory for men and women to get themselves highly educated in all sciences and arts etc....what are you non-muslims on about honestly. Seriously what can you offer? what has athism and Godlessnes has done to societies - just open your eyes and ears and see - you will be ashamed if you are sincere! Please again go and read Quran - especially if you love science May God Guide us all and prevent from these nonsensical uneducated bullS**t

Forget deepak, go and read Quran which clarifies all doubts …or bring something like it before lecture like a professor

@@qustuntunia8689 I have. It clarifies that it’s written by humans without any divine intervention.

​@Qustun tunia I read it, and studied Arabic to better understand it. It led me to reject religion and theism entirely, especially Islam. While there are many good Muslims, they are good DESPITE the dispicable immorality Quran & Hadith. While I abhor your favorite book, I wish you all the best. Peace to you.

This! Don't put FULL in the title if it's not the FULL discourse.

Exactly. By the majority of evangelical Christian’s in America’s definition, Catholics aren’t true Christian’s. Petersons beliefs would be considered downright atheist if he could communicate them to his audience clearly in one sitting.

From your information here, it would seem that Jordan falls directly under the category of religious moderates that silences the very real criticisms of religious fundamentalists

@@maxwell4431 Ironically Jordan criticizes the moderate left for silencing legitimate criticism against radical leftism, but he commits the same crime with christianity. It's like he's afraid off alienating a large part off his audience.

When people stop obeying, enrolling, teaching, learning, promoting, supporting, participating and funding religion; religion will cease to exist.