Does It Even Stand a Chance? .22lr Federal Punch vs CCI Velocitor, Ballistic Gel Test! 

The velocitor performed like it was meant to so I don't know why that should bother someone. Hollow points are not supposed to over penetrate, thats what the hollow point is for to expand and control penetration. So your statement is correct about no hollow point out penetrating the punch because if they do they're not a very good hollow point. Like you said it's not gonna happen. 👍👍

Tools, I know this is an old video now, but from my perspective, that's enough Punch testing. We know it does what it's designed to do. Personally I'm not a fan of max penetration and a skinny wound track. I want to see a fat wound channel and 12+ inches of penetration out of a 16+ inch barrel at 30-50 yards to see what it can do for hunting or defending a property against a horde of zombies at that range. I love your channel and really appreciate all your gel tests of so many cartridges. You do great work!

Looked like a big win for the Velocitor to me. Great wound channel, almost perfect amount of penetration & some good expansion for a .22LR.

I'll take a CCI Velocitor over a federal punch any time. Since when do we want our lead punching tiny holes right thru stuff? We want to dump energy into the meat, not cut tiny wound tracks right thru with minimal damage.

" It's like I'm calling their baby ugly or something " , nearly fell off the chair laughing .

About 25 years ago, a friend of mine had a guy with knife break into his house, my friend had a 10/22 loaded with 10 rounds of Mini-Mag HP's. He shot the intruder in the legs, and he didn't stop, so he put the rest of the rounds in his chest. The guy stopped, fell, and then was pronounced dead at the seen. The toxicology report said that the intruder had methamphetamine and alcohol in his system.

I really appreciate seeing this test regardless of thoughts on penetration. I think that Velocitor is as good of a self defense round as any other I’ve ever seen. You were right, I was wrong. I so appreciate you for doing this period. Most folks wouldn’t even entertain a test they already know the results of lol. I didn’t expect it to out penetrate, but it sure out wound channeled anyway.

That punch keep punching down on the other .22lr like Tyson bitting ears off!

Velocitor is a great load for when you want a lot of damage for a 22 lr but want more penetration than a stinger. I really like velocitor for big ground hogs inside 50 yards. I’ll be honest I’d like the way that punch penetrates.

Federal 22lr punch. Fired from short barrel vs longer barrel 😳 I'm just interested in seeing the difference between the different barrel length. Good video!

There is a video of Velocitor out penetrating the Punch ammo when fired out of a 2 inch barrel. Velocitor penetrates really well at lower velocities when it doesn't expand. I still trust Punch just a bit more, but both are solid options for snub revolvers.

I've said it before , that the punch is only going to be beat by a 22 magnum ! I am so impressed of the velocity on the punch everything else is 200 fps slower , if the punch is going to be beat you have to have a faster bullet of the same shape and construction and far as I know , they haven't made such a beast yet. Good test as always Tools!

I fire both of those rounds , both are great rounds ! I also shoot the CCI Stinger and have for a number of years ! Great tests , glad you did those two rounds ! Stinger and Punch , have you done those two together?

Punched Out !!! Your always spot on when calling these Jelly tests. Thumb's Up, Salute and Thanks. Great Info as Usual. :) The Velocitor seems to open nicely and leave a very good wound channel. CCI has always been a solid go to round for small game.

I think the velocitor performed great,but I agree nothing is going to beat the punch in penetration. And wow two videos in one day. Thank you for the Christmas present 🎁 keep up the good work Tools 🛠🔫💨🍮🎄🎁☃️🍻

I’d take the velocitor wound channel over the punch all day long…but of course the punch penetrated more because it is not a hollow point..anyways thanks for the video 👍

Another fun video. I have gotten several boxes of this punch recently. It is a really enjoyable round to shoot. I would love to see Federal make a 22 Magnum version of the punch in the near future as well.

I ordered a bunch of punch .22 lr from Federal online based on your tests. Thanks for these videos. They are helpful.

Velositor does way more damage. To much penetration isn't needed

ive wanted to try the punch just to try the punch i keep a box of velocitor always in case i had to carry a 22 thats what im sticking in my 922 revolver

Screw the test, just came here to hear you say "Jelly Time!"

Watching other video's on the punch I've seen them flaten out almost like the guard dog ammo does. The 22lr punch was fired into molding clay which is more firm then the jelly. Since you are running out of bullets to put up against the punch it would be interesting to see it shot into different mediums besides jelly and see what it can do! Just a thought. Thanks as always for the video! 🇺🇲

Man I love these "jelly" tests , especially the Punch series. Thanks.

My Walther TPH (2 7/8” barrel) and my Beretta Bobcat (2 3/8” barrel) function flawlessly with the Punch ammo. It would seem logical that Federal is using an ultra-fast-burning powder to accelerate the bullet to 1,070 FPS out of a 2” test barrel.

I think you just love saying the word penetration. Everyone listen and count the times that word comes up and comment on your answer. Haha

The velociter wound channel was good.good for hunting

I have to say the fast buring powder that is in the punch is for short barrels because it's made for self defense , now the almost every other round that has been tested against the punch is ment for rifle length barrels which the charger does not have so thats alot of wasted potential . It would be nice at some point to see the actual power some of these rounds can utilize from a full length rifle test since no one is going to carry a charger in there pocket we might aswell see how everything would fair in relvent test for things like hunting .

"It's like I'm callin their baby ugly or somethin"... ROFLMAO!!!! Too dadgum funny Brother!!!! But Fact! Another great jelly time test, and Punch is still sittin the Throne. Curious to see if those Eley's even get close to the Punch now... Thanks Brother Tools!

My house is still fighting the danged covid, have not been out of the house except to be tested for about ten days and buddy its tough on this 55 year old fat guy ! Thanks for the entertaining shooting videos to keep us smiling, even the girls watch as they are avid 22LR shooters

Well proofs in the puddin Tools. You’ve tested every Long Rifle round again the Punch I mean what else can you do???? Happy New Year buddy and your family GOD BLESS y’all Amen 🙏

Shit velociters are scary af.

Velocitor looks better, especially considering it is HP. Velocitor would likely penetrate further than the federal at 100m given it's heavier load.

My friend, obviously the round that doesn't expand will get more penetration. The velocitor expanded very nicely, so one would definitely not expect it to go nearly as deep. The punch is basically performing like a round nose bullet.

None that I know of will beat it the Federal Punch is the king of the block penetrating now

Bottom line at least in a rifle/carbine is if you want penetration go punch but if you want larger early wound channel with less penetration use the velocitor. The real question with the punch is whether any less expensive rounds can approximate it so one would look at high velocity 40gr RN, mini mags etc.

Federal Punch is King of the 22 LR Another great Jelly Test Tools Stay Safe Stay 2A Strong 🇺🇸

i just wanted to see if the velocitor's bullet construction would perform as a true hollow point should

Happy the day after Christmas to you! I really enjoy your videos you do a top-notch job for the Second Amendment crowd. They are very educational well-thought-out and you do your best to do that. As for this test, comparing the punch to anything else is like comparing the HSTs to anything else. Keep up the good work sir!

Looks like either one is fine. I like that Punch. That's impressive for a 29 grain bullet to perform as it does even out of a short barrel pistol. The Velocitor is a great bullet though when fired from a regular length rifle especially. Good for small game and varmints and even defense if need be.

I carry federal punch in my .22lr LCP2. That’s always in my pocket regardless of what my primary is. 10+1 in my pocket with 2 14 round backup mags in my cargo pocket. For a deep concealment option, federal punch makes short barrel .22’s a very viable option.

Tools you promised everything on the table last video right 😂 let's see what happens 🤣

I think Federal was pretty clever in designing the punch the way they did to make it an ideal self defense round for a 22 LR. I think they figured out that the amount of powder and the round being 29 grains along with the nickel plating is probably going to be the optimal amount of penetration you are going to get with a 22LR without making the overall length of the entire round too long for many 22LR firearms, and without over pressurizing it. This just may be as good as it gets.

my cousins's son, which is my second cousin, says he has some very old production, over 20 years old, remington thunderbolts i was telling you about he inherited them, from his grandpa, my uncle, when my uncle died. he says he's gonna give me 100 rounds. the problem is he's a traveling musician and this could take a couple months to happen. but when it does finnaly happen, we'll make arrangements to send you 50 of them. they are a 40 gr round nose solid, and until this punch stuff came along they were the king of the hill of 22lr penetration. also the bullet never deformed.

I appreciate your tests and input on these rounds. Very well explained and demonstrated. Thanks for your channel.

What about a Remington VYPER and Federal POUNCH match??

Comparing solid to solid is more valid than solid to hp for penetration.

Should get some Federal Game Shok 31g 22lr ammo. Velocitor did go far in the jello.

Yep, hollow points aren't meant to penetrate too much, but the punch certainly is. I'm thinking out of a long barrel, the Velocitor might open up more, and penetrate less. Even though we knew the punch would penetrate more, it was fun to see the Velocitors ability to expand... So many .22lr hollow points don't expand at all, particularly in a short barrel. I also suspect the Velocitor may penetrate more with a short barrel, because it may not expand at all either. That punch is a bad ass little round, thanks for sharing. I hope you had a merry Christmas. I still wonder what would happen if you ground the tip off of a Velocitor, to eliminate the hollow point portion, along with some bullet weight... Light weight flat bullet with a decent power behind it seems to work well for penetration... Maybe the only way the punch gets some competition, but probably not worth the effort... Have fun!

You can easily fill in the hollow point of any hollow point round. HP don't expand from a handgun usually, so they often act like LRN.

Try a 22 mag against the Punch. I know it's not fair but would be a good vid.

Can't wait to see the Punch vs Clean CCI Hypervelocity match. Still the Velocitor did well in the jello for a .22lr cartridge.

i used to shoot federal 22LR in the late 60s cause the winchester was throwing sparks and dirty dirty ammo. but in the 80s i turned mini mag. i will buy the 5600 rd box of federals for plinking, but when it comes to bang vs click, its CCI mini mags. no so much the bad primer strike, but the dirt fouls up even my beretta bobcat after 100 rds with the rems. then it wont cycle. so its as bad as a bad primer strike.

Like seeing that 22 Charger brother. Got nearly the same set up. Love it. Very accurate.

The punch is a good name for that round. Thanks Tools!

The velocitor won!!! Penetration is not everything or we should get rid of hollow points all together.

I had read in a review of the Federal Punch that it uses a slower burning powder and is more adapted to rifle .22 rather than pistol 22. If that is the case, then a short barrel of 4" might give the heavier CCI Velocitor a different chance up against the Federal Punch.

Fired a couple punch 👊 yesterday into 4 1 gallon milk jugs (with water) out of a browning lever action 20" barrel both of them expanded the 20" barrel made a difference probably over 1500 f/ps but don't own a crono, both bullets were caught in the 3rd plastic milk jug, wish j could send you a pic of expanded punch's

Haven't tried the punch rounds yet but I understand why some people said what they did. On one inch pine boads the velocitor penitrated 3 out of my revolver which was the most of the rounds I shot today. Very nice test. Will subscribe.

Seems those flat nose solids in any caliber penetrate further than even a lead round nose! there is Herters 40gr target round nose, minimag target 40 round nose and some winchester small game and target round nose is about all I can think of off the top of my head lol! That Charger paired with those Velocitors seems to be a really nice combo! Have a good one! Punch still reins supreme on penetration!

it was a good video. on the subject of 22 long rifle and 22 short is a very capable ammunition. here in North Carolina it’s legal all small game and deer , Ferriel hogs, much outher game except turkeys, maybe black bears , certain birds. and water foul . my grandfather, father and my generation this was more than a tin can killer, it put food on the table and when needed protection around home and farm . in the hands of a good shooter knowing where to put that little bullet in a reasonable distance for many people it’s all they needed. it’s affordable up till the last few years cheep to shoot . but I keep a check every time I go to my local Walmart as in the last few months box’s of federal 325 round boxes and Winchester 333 round boxes with tax around 22.00 dollars limit of three boxes. if you can do that three times in three mounths your hitting on the edge of 3,000 rounds of 22 . i see in the price gouging gun shops the same 22 bullets 325-333 round boxes 45.00-48.00 dollars a box. certain 50 round bowed 4-6 mounths ago 35.00-37,00 a box. i for years always kept a good suppy of them and still do . use your 22 lR for legal purposes only. spot lighting deer is illegal and stupid to do because of costing a person up around 4.000-5,000 dollars with attorneys fees at the time of arrest your gear/ weapons will be seized and at law enforcement officers discretion your vehicle impounded, then it’s up to the judge if returned it sold at public auction. and that doesn’t stop your payment obligations , you still owe for the vehicle regardless. I would hate to be walking to work because the judge ordered it sold and the next vehicle passing by is the one I had taken. .y’all way to be spotlighters better think about that. nana and wishing well.

Too many people fail to understand that a longer barrel typically equals higher velocities. Higher velocities equal less penetration on hollow points, soft points, or generally anything other than a fmj.

Thx man! I was looking forward to this one!

Great video, as usual. 👍 I would love to see the fragmenting Winchester Silvertip shot out of 4" and 16" barrels. PS. Would love to see shots through two pieces of clothing. Could I get some fries with that order? Ha!

Paco Kelly used to sell a tool called the Accurizer which swaged the bullet up a bit in diameter and put a shallow cup on the nose. It would be interesting to use that tool on something like mini mags and various other LRN rounds and compare results to the punch.

If you want penetration from a rimfire, do a test with cci tmj 17hmr 👍

I’d never heard of the punch until now thank you

thanks tools love your test keep up the good work

If we are talking about self-defense, I really believe penetration is the most important ingredient in .22lr. I will actually carry CCI Stinger, but considering clothes and bones, i think the sheer power of the slug is most important, and gives me curiosity to give the Punch a serious look.

In all fairness the punch would suck to hunt with. Over penetration would be a real problem . I've used CCI products for decades with great results . The Punch seems like its steel core or something being it doesn't deform the slightest . So its kinda like comparing apples to oranges .

The one I’ve been waiting for! Lol

My guess before the video is the CCI won't dethrone the champion punch but we will soon see

I like Minutan41's suggestion. Try shooting the Punch and a contender into a different medium. Maybe something like Paul Harrel does. Ribs and meat wrapped in cotton and denim just to see penetration and damage. I believe the Punch is the Jing of penetration in Jelly but try something else Tool's !

Awesome video! Very interesting and informative. Good sound and editing too.

Those Federal Punch rounds have been really impressive in all your tests. Have you found anything yet to beat them yet?

Should I be thinking of 22 Punch as the M855 of .22lr because it penetrates so well? What application would be best for this ammo? I always have been informed that the most effective ammo for defense is the load that penetrates to a certain degree, expands, and dumps all its energy into the target. If Punch zips all the way through is it as effective in a defense application? It does not appear to create much of a wound channel at all relative to the Velociter.

You do an awesome job. Sometimes the ones that complain only shoot a few times at the shooting range a year. Hello from Lubbock Texas. Always Naysayers. I still carry my .380 over a 22. God bless

Comparing apples to oranges if one is a hollow point and one a hard nose of similar velocities.

I know I asked, didn't think you were going to do it....thanks for video. Keep up the good work.

Finally made back . Let's go. Well I like both will come to want i can get. And of course I'm using in a pistol. So maybe not a good test for small handgun. But. Good test as usual. Thanks Mr. BL. TOOLS

Great video series. Really enjoy watching them

Velocitor had a wider wound channel and expanded.

I can't wait until I get those 32 gr 22elr projectiles in the mail and get them tested I have alot of faith in those things in this test and in long range tests

That's pretty impressive Out of A 10 Inch barrel The 22 has Come a long way

Hahaha... calling your baby ugly... good one... No doubt the punch is the best 22 LR round for self defense if 22 LR would ever be used for that purpose...

Penetration isn't what stops an attacker, energy is what does that and the Stinger doesn't stand a chance against the Velociter in that regard.

Do you believe the only factor in self-defense bullets is penetration? Do you believe 9mm ball is better than hollowpoints for self-defense because it penetrates more?

Which one is more accurate? I have a bolt action marlin xt22 with a 22" barrel and quarter size groups at 100yrds and dime size groups at 50yrds with velositors

What about a round nose round like mini mag vs punch? More apples to apples compare?

Another hollow point bites the dust .. great video Brotha ..

Eley force has some impressive numbers, not saying it will beat the punch but if anything can do it this might be it! “They call it the 338 Lappula of the 22LR”. Dimensions: Bullet profile: Round nose Cartridge length: 25.4mm / 1inch Bullet weight: 2.7grams / 42grains Lubricant: Paraffin wax Velocity: Muzzle: 366m/s (1200ft/s) 50m (55yds): 333m/s (1091ft/s) 91m (100yds): 311m/s (1019ft/s) Energy: Muzzle: 18 (Kg.m) / 133 (ft.lb) 50m / 55yds: 15 (Kg.m) / 110 (ft.lb) 91m / 100yds: 13 (Kg.m) / 96 (ft.lb)

The Velocitor is TWICE the penetrated diameter as the punch, it wins

The Velocitor is a Hollerpoint it didn't come close to the Punch good test Tho Thanks Tools

I think its time to step up to 22mag vs the punch

Here is a suggestion. The copper 22. Round BY CCI

That is one hell of a round

Good video Tools, Good on you for giving the viewers what they want . Even though you already knew the outcome . Love the Punch!!!!Long live the king . LOL

Punch is a beast!! Just for giggles, Punch vs. 5.7x28?? Surely the 5.7 can beat the Punch!

The .22LR Federal Punch is the undisputed champion! Thanks to your tests I have invested into several of these and feel great about it.

Velocitors seemed way slower than advertised, not much different than the mini mag really. I can't find them anywhere anyways,lol.

Very good video I got to get me some punch when I find it local ..