You just saved me over $300 dollars. I was considering the Ruger LCP .22, but after seeing this, I’ll look somewhere else. I don’t know if anyone has mentioned this, but you are the best channel for ammo testing on RU-vid
I knew this one would be coming setting my notification. already watched a head to head on these but your testing set up is far and away better than what I watched. I would say you are one of the best ammo testing channels on YT
Quickly becoming everyone's fav channel and for good reason. Very sad to see Paul Harell get sick, I learned heaps from him and Gunblue. Tools just reads minds, always comes up with a vid of exactly what i'm up at night thinking about😂
Tools&Targets is costing Ruger and CCI a lot of business with this video. Appreciate someone taking the time to do these comparisons so we know what to carry in our tiny tools. Expecting a .22 LR round to expand is a bit much out of a short barrel. If you've got to carry .22 LR, it sure seems like the penetration of the Punch is the way to go.
I’ve had the LCP .22 for a couple years. I’ve never had a FTF or FTE but I have had quite a few light primer strikes. They get worse with lower quality .22 ammo. Because of this, I pretty much only run CCI Stingers or the Federal Punches. The LCP is an extremely fun pocket plinker BUT if I were using it for self defense I’d absolutely look into the available spring kits that will make the hammer and pin hit significantly harder.
@@usernamesrlamoEverything shot in this video was ultra premium ammo. The light strikes are inexcusable on a new gun. I was curious if some of the failures were because the rounds were too hot. I have a Ruger Mark IV with a softer spring and shoot subsonics exclusively. No failures. I think matching the spring to the ammo could help here, but the light strikes? That’s on Ruger.
Yes it’s on Ruger, they could have put in stronger springs. Premium ammo never completely eliminates the light strikes but it does make them much more infrequent. The aftermarket spring kits are only $20 or so.
Glad to see it's not just my LCP's that are JUNK!!! I have LCP2 in .380 and .22lr and they are both the most unreliable misfeeding, misfiring, no firing guns I've ever owned. No matter what brand or type of ammo I've tried they disappoint me every time.
I every day carry Ruger LCP II lite rack with Federal punch ammo. Mine did the same thing yours is doing at the range, I boxed it up and sent it back to Ruger the put new barrel and slide. I have not had another stove pipe or failure to feed with federal punch ammo. Thank you for what you do I really enjoy your channel !!
@@LKaramazovat least Ruger is making it right 🤷♂️ Lots of companies these days will give you the runaround, or worse... "Fix it" and then send it back so it can exhibit the same failure.
@@not-AI For both lcp22 and lcp max I put in upgraded springs from mcarbo, needed lighter firing pin spring, heavy hammer spring , heavier recoil spring, and heavier extractor spring to make them rock solid reliable.
Outstanding test! Tools is regularly moving up the ladder of ammo testing experts. (Not to mention he keeps it real and entertaining!). I’ve had a bunch of Rugers over the years and never had that kind of performance, even right out of the box. Guess I’ll keep the Bersa 22. Always goes bang. Thanks again for all of your hard work.
Brian… your intro was off the charts… perfect analogues commentary bringing in max entertainment. I only put .22LR thru 10/22’s and usually just for small game.. I’d imagine if these were accurate I’d bite.
@@ToolsandTargets since you've tested tons of 10mm rounds, you outta try out the 115-grain Xtreme Defender (Platinum Edition) 10mm from Underwood Ammo, if you're able to track them down. Because according to the stats, it's supposed to have a muzzle velocity of 1700-FPS, most likely fired from a full-sized duty gun!!!!
Oh wow, just like that, Carl Weathers passed yesterday. This is eery. A similar thing happened to me thinking about Hal Moore one morning, and he died that same day.
Tools you are hands down the best ammo tester out here, I especially like the way you hold the 10mm manufacturers feet to the fire. I use nothing but Buffalo Bore 180 grain in my carry pistol now. Thank you so much for making my decision easy without a lot of wasted money on the wannabes. Fantastic 22lr test and set up. Loved your reference to the Ali vs Frazier fight "The champ is here, the champ is here!" Priceless
The federal punch is no joke. Awesome round. Yeah I was pretty shocked on how that uppercut got knocked the hell out. I didn't think it was going to perform that terribly. But that was a disaster. Great video. Thank you for your time and your effort I'm doing these tests for us. You are about the best on testing ammo on RU-vid. Awesome job once again❤❤👍🏻👍🏻😊😊
Bro!!!!!!!! The energy is amazing. This intro is hilarious🤣🤣🤣🤣 is a reason I'm subscribed and got my notifications turned all the way up!!! Keep the videos coming!!!!!! Great content!!!!!!
The 22Plinkster did a video on the CCI Uppercut two weeks ago. He suggested not using the Ruger LCPII as it does have a short barrel. He did a gel test using the Taurus TX22 and did get expansion, but less than great penetration. He also tried using the Glock 44 and got excellent expansion with the 4" barrel. Penetration not so good. But I would still want to go with the Punch.
I have a full size and compact TX22 test coming soon. Neither of which I would consider something folks who actually edc .22lr would use, but I wanted to give these things every chance. Spoiler alert...it aint good.
Well...dang I have a Walther P22Q that does NOT like the Punch (turns my Walther into a single shot as the Punch refuses to eject), but I thought the Uppercut coming out was great timing. With its barrel being between that 3-4", it sounds like even if it ran reliably, I probably won't be convinced by the performance. Looking forward to the next test, but its sounding like I'll be sticking with the ole faithful, Mini-Mags
I use CCi mini and maxi mags for hunting and they are fantastic. Accurate, fast and deadly. CCi needs to speed these defensive rounds up or they are a total failure.
I'm not much of a "Rim-Fire" carrier for self-defense mainly 'cause they're unpredictable when it comes to reliability . But between the two , the Punch is the clear winner .Thanks T&T for another great video !
Don't give up on the LCR II too quick. I got one for the wife as car gun. First shots at the range was stove pipes combined with FTF/FTE. I used CCI mini mags. Wife threw the gun on the bench and said, ain't gonna happen!😂 I took it, cleaned it again, lubed it on the rails and the slide and ran around 1k rds through it w/o a single issue . Took the wife to the range, again and she took possession of the gun after firing 100 rds of CCI MM HP. That little tool likes good lubing 😉
Yup, our lcp ll likes to be run wet, also...it dirties up the gun a bit quicker, but it runs good until then...we don't carry the gun, but in a pinch mini-mags would get the call...
@@shannonking3201 I tend to agree. While owning a TX22 compact and a P-17, and those worked out of the box flawlessly with all ammo I threw at them, the requirement from the wife was pocket size LR22 with safety (wife has weak wrists due to chemotherapy). That limits the field of qualified tools, significantly 😉
@@shannonking3201 I would agree there are better .22lr pistols out here, but none the size of the lcp ll...our mark iv has run and run since the first round downrange, but it doesn't fit in the pocket very well...size and weight are significant factors for many of us, so making the lcp ll functional is important...the aggravating problem is the total finickyness of the platform...ask 10 owners what their lcp ll likes to run, and get 10 different answers...what our lcp ll likes becomes immaterial to the next person...
Thank you for the amazing content that you post! I have the lcp2 22 for my wife when she goes out, loaded with punch followed by mini mag back to back in the mag! However if that we’re to fail her, I have the old faithful tx22 in her vehicle loaded with 16 rounds of the Fed punch! I’m just glad that your willing to test these 22lr rounds so that we can see what there really capable of! Once you get some rounds through the lcp it should run smooth and flawlessly! I highly appreciate all the work that you do with putting this all together! Thank you for being one of the few RU-vidrs I trust with honest opinions that you give pertained to guns and ammo! Be safe and shoot straight!! AMEN & RESPECT!!!
@@ZZ-zj4ky your more than welcome to stand in front of my 22lr anytime you want Mr. Bully! 😂😂😂 Also learn to write and spell correctly before harassing someone! 🤣😂🤣
I have not one but two of those LCPs, they don’t like the light grain ammo that have the longer cases…Stinger, Punch, Uppercut, all of these are the same type. Regular ammo, 36 and 40 grain weights run very well, especially Mini-Mags.
Yup, ours runs just fine with 40gr mini-mags...there a lot of varieties/brands that failed miserably in the gun...we don't carry the gun, but we would load what works, not what is ideal...and the mini-mags would get about 10-12 inches of penetration, nearly acceptable...
My wife and I are in our 70's, so carrying is important to us. I'm totally disabled and in a wheelchair so WHAT we both carry is also very important. I can't carry my S&W 686/357/2 1/2". I refer to that as my around the house/property blunderbus. So I recently bought a couple of Walther P22's, one for each of us. I've been wondering how these new Federal Punch CC rounds would do. Thanks to you, now we know. I will get a brick of those, and that's what we will load out for our CC. For target and plinking, we already have a good supply for that. So, thank you for doing this comparison. I also subbed, and of course left a 'thumbs up'. Again, thank you.
Haha I KNEW you were gonna bust out some boxing gear for this! 🥊looking forward to it. Coincidentally I just TODAY got the Ammoseek alert for it being for sale, TargetSportsUSA has/had it for $9.99. Let's see how it did 🤔
I'm faithful to the channel, and would never blame @Tools&Targets for his testing methods. So I'm left kind of struggling how to word this. But I'm agreeing with Brian in this one, that the Ruger may have needed some more ummm "Warm up" time, before heading into this match. 😉 REALLY thinking that this ammo is NOT designed for this kind of barrier testing. I've seen some really nice flowers coming out of the Uppercut. Insiders say that they did a lot of co-work with their sister company to make it a lot like the heavier pistol ammos. But yeah. Brian put it against something that it couldn't hold it's weight against. Great review, and thanks so much for bringing this to us Brian! 👍👍
I think the bullet weight is too low to ruin that LCP. The golden bullets are running it well because they are ~ 38 grains. Not surprised those cci bullets didn’t expand. If they made a 40 grain with a higher load, they would probably open up. CCI REALLY failed on that round.
Well hell! I was hoping for some tiny little flowers. lol. It’s a good thing they didn’t open up, they might have only penetrated 6” or so. The Punch 🥊 with a K.O. Again. Entertaining video too! You had me cracking up leaving the helmet on! 😂. Awesome stuff as always my friend 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@ToolsandTargets gotta love no bull crap reviews. I've been watching your videos for a little while now and they definitely helped me with my ammo decisions for my 45 and 9mm.
You really needed to have tested this out of a snub nose revolver. I have an LCR 22lr and even with the Mcarbo aftermarket recoil spring, it's not very reliable with low velocity ammo. I run Mini Mags (both JHP and FMJ) out of mine with no problems...
I'm curious now... I saw 22plinkster's video (I am aware that he is endorsed by CCI), and he managed to get the uppercut to expand very nicely and leave a very impressive wound channel. I didn't catch what the distance was here, but he was shooting closer than this and I'm sure the shorter barrel made a difference here. 22plinkster also used them in a rifle at the distance he was shooting at, and it absolutely shredded the bullets. I bet you might see better performance in the jel with a rifle at longer distances.
I just got a LCP2 a couple weeks ago. The first time out it performed without a hitch with MiniMags, Federal Automatch and Armscore bulk. Second time out I had like 8 out of 20 light strikes with Winchester Super Speed but still ran fine with Minimags. I could have tried more break-in time but I want as close to 100% reliability if possible so I've already installed the full Galloway Spring kit and trigger. So far so good, I've only had 2 light strikes out of about 200 rounds. Overall I really like the LCP2 as a plinker or a light weight option for hiking in the woods.
It's sad when a gun company knows it has a problem, still wants to charge $300ish+ for the gun, and then not fix the problem by spending another $10 on better springs. The lcp22 should be a $200-250 gun tops as it is. I've had cheaper guns work way better right out of the box. Sad when Phoenix arms knows how to make a better micro .22.
@@Dontgetenslaved LOL, Yeah, I have an old HP22a and you're right, it was reliable for 1000s of rounds until something inside the pot metal frame broke. You're right about the springs too. I don't like having to do anything to a new gun to make it work but there are a lot of .22LR rifles and pistols that have light strike issues with lower grade bulk ammo. Why? I don't know, seems like they could all just utilize heavier striker or hammer springs. My Ruger LCRx .22lr runs flawless and you can obviously see a deeper and broader divet on the spent shells.
@@philrc1 The answer, cheap springs and qc issues. Doubt they started making.22 rims harder so they can lose sales over junk ammo. Hammer fired guns are also more reliable for .22 use. Mass helps.
@@philrc1 My hp22a worked great until I sold it. Only issue is it was very inaccurate, even with the longer barrel on it. They like standard and a tad bit higher velocity, not True HV or Extreme HV. Those are known to frame crack those guns.
I'm guessing that the uppercut's low fps is a "design feature" that attempts to deal with overpenetration, being advertised or self defense it's one major concern about a self defense load. I'm sure the bullet itself would have expanded better at 1250 fps like the mini-mags but then it would also go through the target and possibly enough drywall behind it to make it into the next room. Thanks for the comparison!
I asked for this test and you delivered. This is why I love your channell. Every other channel that tested this uppercut didn't use clothing. This is so much closer to a real world scenario. Keep up the great work. Big thumbs up. 👍
After watching this video it’s occurred to me that uppercut would do well in a 5.5” barrel. Id be very interested in a test with that barrel length. If I can find some I want try it in my 5.5” barreled single six. Good video sir.
Man. I don’t get to consume much YT anymore so I miss out on a lot of great stuff. I didn’t know you had videos out on the Uppercut ammo until I posted my video. Several of your viewers mentioned you by name in my comments section and that’s something I don’t see happen very often. I liked that. It seems we have a little bit of a crossover audience. I’ve been catching up tonight on your uppercut vids. I’m glad your results were similar to mine. The way you present your videos is 10 times more entertaining than mine though. Good stuff.
Appreciate that, brother! I was really hoping for this stuff to impress. Folks know good stuff when they see it, so I'm not surprised we have a lot of the same audience. I try not to let too many folks know about you though because if they see what a good shot you are, they might not come back!😉
The only .22lr gun I have is a S&W 15-22. I would very much like to see you test the CCI Uppercut shot from a rifle. Intuitively I believe it would do quite well even though the Uppercut is made for pistols. The only .22lr I would even consider for self/home defense is CCI Copper/Polymer HP's 21 grain, CCI 32 grain Segmented HP's and CCI Stingers fired from a RIFLE. But I would also like to see the performance of the CCI Uppercut shot from a rifle. I bet they would penetrate and expand nicely.
My LCP2 only consistently runs on round nose ammo around 1200 ft./s sign up. I typically carry Stingers in it, but it will run on CCI, mini mags, or federal, round nose, or ammo to that effect.
I bought 2 ruger lip 22 and both of them were junk ruger has had them back 3 times and they still don’t work worth a darn they went to the gun show and found new homes I would not trust them again ruger seems to have not done their testing on this firearm before release it’s a looser for sure buy a snobby revolver instead it just plain works
In 22Plinkster's latest video 4/18/24, he says CCI engineers told him that Uppercut was designed to expand in 10% organic gel, not synthetic clear gel. Testing Uppercuts side-by-side in both types of gel, he got the same results as here - 10.5" of penetration with no expansion in clear gel. In 10% gel, they did expand but only penetrated 9". For a defensive round, I'll take Punch's 16" of penetration over Uppercut's 9" of under penetration.
Yeah, I said all I have to say about this trash ammo in the reply to his comment on one of my videos. A paid shill will do any and everything to save face for his meal ticket.
@jesserast7631 Gel is not the same as a Human Body. 9" in Gel does NOT equal 9" in a body which has bone, muscle, fat, organs, etc. FBI says it must go at least 12" in gel in order to penetrate to vital areas in a body.
Brian, this was an entertaining test! Not surprised by the lack of expansion, though. The biggest takeaway for me is the overall sketchiness of betting your life on a rimfire round. Are you gonna tell the bad guy to wait while you cycle another round? Nope. Don't do it, folks. Centerfire is way more reliable.
Very interesting test Tools. You just crack me up B man, what an intro. I'm surprised you didn't keep the gloves on the whole time. The new kid definitely isn't designed with a really small, short barrel in mind. I wonder what it would do in a 4" or rifle length firearm. For a CCI round I'm really disappointed in the velocity, way to inconsistent, and the lack of expansion. The LCP 2 didn't impress me either. But that's the kind of backup someone might carry. Be vigilant and always be safe my friend.
I agree with Broken BB. I follow your testing and now make my ammo purchases based upon your results - and even a firearm or two. You cut costs drastically preventing my purchasing sub par ammo especially with the 10MM . Thanks for your time and efforts.
I've had 2 of those guns---sent them both back to ruger 3 separate times for same issues. The gun is so sweet because of size and look, but i ended up selling both jam-o-mattics---just couldn't rely on them. And I was really patient with them. BOTH of them did the same thing.
I was waiting for this video. I just saw something on the uppercut the other day and thought Tools&Targets should be coming up with a video soon and here it is. 👍
From what I've heard, the lcp 22 doesn't run these slightly longer cased .22 rounds. The stingers are the same way. Even with aftermarket springs and triggers, reliability with these rounds is not guaranteed.
Great video Tools! Very informative as well as entertaining! I've been chomping at the bit to pick up some Uppercuts for my wife's TX22, CCI's sight went out of stock both times I tried to order 'em. Well now I ain't chompin' any more & the TX will stay loaded with Punch and Silver Tips alternated in the mag. You saved me some $$$ brother!
I USE THE FEDERAL PUNCH IN MY SHORT BARREL REVOLVER WHEN I CARRY IT BECAUSE OF YOUR AWESOME VIDEOS THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO TO SHOW US THE DIFFERENCES IN AMMO THAT MOST OF THE SHOOTING POPULATION WOULD NEVER KNOW!
As is usual for your channel, the truth - stark though it may be - once again prevails. You are an invaluable source of accurate information for all your subscribers and viewers; PLEASE, keep up the great work!
Nice. I want to love the punch, but they've just been inconsistent with my .22 pistols. Occasional stove pipes, failure to battery/feed. I'm using a Ruger SR22 and a Taurus TX22 Compact - both have the exact same issues with Fed Punch. Instead I'm just gonna stick with CCI Velocitor. Those things work great. Thanks for the content!
My tx compact doesn’t like the federal punch either, gonna try the aguila supermax considering it’s pretty much the same as the punch. One thing I’m curious about is the plain 22 bullets have always been deadly because they go in and bounce around. I wonder if the punch does that or goes all the way through.
I've seen several reviews that this particular ammo does not like the Ruger or the Taurus tx22 but other ammo feeds fine like CCI just what I've heard anecdotally. However I have polished all of my feed ramps to a mirror shine with flitz Polish and a Dremel bullet tip compressed wool bit and it works very well. The fact that Federal are flat nose might have something to do with it
This is the 2nd jelly test I saw…first one was with a 4” barrel and it did expand. But my takeaway was the thought of why would I consider the premium price when CCI mini mag hp’s would equal or supersede the new ammo. Always wondered why a true jacket was never made before. So far, not impressed. Thanks brother!
Very nice! Bought a case of Federal Punch when they first came out. With a brand new S&W 317 revolver did have about 3 that didn't fire on the first strike in the first box of 50. They all fired after I ran them back through a second time. Shot about 50 Federal Automatch and have not had a failure to fire since. Did notice to be exactly on target at 7 yards I had to crank the rear sight all the way down and only see about half of the front sight in the rear notch. May explore a new taller front sight at some point. Didn't notice the problem so much with the Automatch but only shot double action.
Great video, as always, brother. I know the round isn't optimized for longer barrel lengths, but I'd still be interested in seeing this revisited with some longer barrel. I appreciate all your hard work.
14:19 My glock 44 misfed twice in each of 4 mags with the uppercut, 😢. Same gun gobbles up Punch for breakfast couple hundred rounds no issue, ever. My Taurus TX22 failed to feed twice out of 4 mags with uppercut. It never misses with Punch! My Tx22 compact ran 4 mags of each without incident. Since this is my edc, I'm sticking with Punch, since my life could be on the line. I believe the problem with my glock and full size Tx22 is the low velocity provided by the Uppercut. Thanks for the Video! I wish I watched before I ordered 6 boxes of Uppercut based on 22plinkster review. 😭
