My husband spoke of seeing his sister and brothers right before he passed. It gave him great comfort. I know he was saved, so I’ll see him in heaven. I miss him terribly. In heaven, first I’d want to see Jesus, then my husband.
@dedguru There is no way to know that another is "saved" other that just yourself. "Saved" means that you believe Jesus died for you on the cross. That's a personal belief that no one else could possibly know. However; all are forgiven so; because of that fact you know he is in Heaven. There is a difference.between being forgiven and being saved....all are forgiven...but only a relative few realize it.
@James_no_hell This is something I also say. We can't know if another is saved. My husband was a kind and gentle soul. He told me that he had God in his heart. That's good enough for me to believe.
@Rob-yc7bs there are better things than being a "Christian" and just following rules. >Those things are growing in the grace and in the knowledge of our Lord.
@@dedguru Jesus died for the (taking away) of ALL sin ; therefore ALL are forgiven ..we are forgiven whether or not we realize that Jesus died for our sins. Our belief has nothing to do with our forgiveness. Our belief only has to do with the knowledge of our forgiveness. Most people in this world don't have a clue that Jesus died for them; nevertheless they are forgiven.
Yeah, right . Why do we need to bother with 66 books in the bible to lead us to the truth . Paul should it never wasted his time writing a whole chapter about it 1 Cor 15 explains in details the resurrection of the dead . But wait a minute, there it is , Paul did love, praise and worship God and God took care of the details inspiring him and revealing all this to him , so those who love , praise and worship God will not be deceive . There you go , what are you waiting for?
@Max Power WHEN A CHRISTIAN DIES HE/SHE IMMEDIATELY PASSES INTO THE CONSCIOUS PRESENCE OF CHRIST IN HEAVEN. BUT WHEN THE DAY OF RESURRECTION ARRIVES, HE/SHE WILL BE GIVEN A NEW AND GLORIFIED BODY IN WHICH ALL OF GOD’S PEOPLE WILL LIVE AND FLOURISH ON THE NEW EARTH (OF REVELATION 21-22). GOD BLESS YOU..
Merci Beaucoup where does it say this? Everywhere I have found says those who belong to Christ will be resurrected on the last day, and those who are to go to Hell will be sent there after his millennium reign.
@@coleparker6841 If the dead don’t immediately go to heaven, how did Moses and Elijah appear at the transfiguration? How can Moses and Elijah have been present at the transfiguration if they are waiting for the resurrection? The thief on the cross said “Jesus, remember me when You come into Your kingdom!” 43 And Jesus said to him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with Me in Paradise. That doesn't look like the thief will be soul sleeping. Does God lie in Holy Scripture? When people are unconscious at death is that eternal life? Titus 1:2 in the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time, John 5:24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. God bless you.
“Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.” Revelation 20:11-15 NIV www.bible.com/111/rev.20.11-15.niv
Merci Beaucoup Gabriel told Daniel in the end times prophecy that Gods chosen people will rise from the dust in the last days, some to everlasting life, and others to shame and everlasting contempt who are not found in the book of life. This is expanded on in the book of Revelation 20, where those who belong to Christ will rise, and those alive as well during his second coming, to reign with him for 1000 years. After this reign, the dead will be judged according to their deeds.
What would be the point of a soul sleeping. Sleep is to refresh the 'body'. It is to help it rest from it's endeavours during the day. When we die the body is laid to rest until the resurrection unto Life if you are a child of God, but the soul is in the presence of it's Lord, which is very far better.
Yes I just found out a cousin that passed that his spirit is just running and running not able to find his peace imagine running and running and never finding the light 🥺
@@laughter1954-> That is not Biblical at all. 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Ezekiel 18:20 KJV.
I was at my grandmothers bedside when she last away a few years ago. I witnessed her passing away. I literally saw how her eyes looked when her sweet spirit left her body. As she was on her death bed, she was talking about how she was seeing Angels! Even though she had not died yet, she had already thought she had. Because she was seeing Angels! I may be wrong, but in my mind, how would our soul sleep in our grave? What happens if someone is murdered? What happens if someone is cremated!? Does the soul just stay with the body after something traumatic happens!? And the soul is asleep with that persons body!? That just doesn’t sound right to me. But I may be wrong! Think about all the babies who have been aborted!? There little body’s didn’t get a grave? I 100% believe that those sweet little souls are with their Heavenly Father?!
The souls' spirits will be in heaven. I'm thinking that women who aborted babies will recognize them, or should I say that the babies' souls will recognize the moms that had them aborted. I'm wondering how that will be...
No those babies who are aborted didn’t have a grave and they don’t need a grave to be with the lord, they are with Him. For give me for saying this but people who are eaten by sharks don’t have a grave either they also don’t need one. The Lord is almighty and can receive us no matter how we pass. Hope I made since explaining this.☺️🙏🏻✝️🙏🏻
Incorrect. Re-read 2 Corin. 5:5-8 KJV. 6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. Nobody is with Yeshua ... yet. At the 7th shofar (trumpet). Not even King David. See Acts 2:34 KJV. You can't be absent "in the body", since our bodies are dead and you're not with the Lord yet.
Philippians 1:23 I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; Ecclesiastes 12:7 and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to god who gave it.
Be of good cheer bro, they are basically saying the same thing. The physical body dies but the spirit goes back to God. Hallelujah!!! Praise the Lord!!!
@@JfaJosephR9 Basically, it's a place under the earth called Sheol, which is reserved for those who are going to Hell, or the Lake of Fire described in Revelation. Job 7:9 "As the cloud fades and vanishes, so he who goes down to Sheol does not come up;"
Know one believes me but I also saw Jesus, I was awake and praying and when I opened my eyes he was standing right in front of me. I was startled and blinked then he was gone. But as everyone else has said it was just in my mind. Sometimes I think that too.
I would ask what Jesus looks like because Jesus is seen before his life on earth and after and they all describe him the same way. If it doesn't fit with scripture I'd believe it was my mind playing tricks.
Scott Bair praise God we have his word. In his word he clearly tells us that spiritualism is an abomination. Why? Because the dead know nothing, so to see a dead loved one is to really see Satan’s angel impersonating a loved one. Jesus is the only truth, the way and the life. Satan comes to deceive and comes as an angel of light. When Satan came to tempt Jesus in the wilderness, Jesus used the word to combat him. We need the word now more than ever to know what God says rather than relying on the traditions of men. 🙏🏻
@@ericevelyn3016 Again, you're stating the obvious. Again, your response has no relation to what was said. Shirley directly quoted Paul: "To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord." Why are you attempting to take issue with quoted scripture? An authentic follower of Christ would never dare to do such a thing! Very strange indeed. Thus far you've shown virtually nothing by way of sound biblical doctrine. Your comments are sarcastic, patronising, bitter, ambiguous, vague and devoid of any true biblical wisdom. As Shakespeare put it "Full of sound and fury - signifying nothing!"
@@DG-mv6zw you can call me anything you like say anything you like i do understand from God word that man does not have a soul. come on man give me chapter and verse that say that.
@@ericevelyn3016 Show me exactly where I claimed that man wasn't a soul! Nowhere did I make such a statement. You're literally arguing with yourself. Yet again, you've proved yourself to be unable to respond to the comments actually made. You need to learn to spend more time reading the comments and less time trying to answer. It's almost like you've discovered a particular truth in the Bible and are intent on using that truth regardless of the issue raised. If you're unable to answer a person's question biblically, then don't try. Incidentally, stop advising others to use the Living Bible. This is NOT a translation. It's a paraphrase, and as such, is not advisable for serious bible study and hermaneutics. Evidently you prefer to glean your answers from Wikipedia! 😁
Shirley Cole you understand that verse is talking about earthly desires right? It does not mean death, it is talking about earthly desires being away from The body meaning flesh, meaning desires, is to be closer to god! That verse is allways thrown around with out context
When you sleep you do not know how much time goes by, so whether you believe death is sleep or in a twinkling of an eye when Christ comes back (which is truth) , or you die and are in heaven absent from the body ... it will all appear to be the same "time frame" You die or meet Jesus in the air in an instant it will appear to be instantaneous, like going to bed at 8 pm waking up at 6 am its an instant. Your not aware while you are sleeping how much time goes by could be a second or 8 hours or 800 years. Either way you are saved by Christ and in paradise forever.
I'm a Muslim and I say that Jesus was sent to your ancestors so they can go to paradise and God wanted to show your ancestors many miracles by making Jesus to do the miracles in god's permission but your ancestors thought at first he was a witch but then you guys said he was a lord and some of ur ancestors tried to kill him but God knew what they planned so God told Jesus to choose who's going to be his clone and then Jesus was ascended to the heaven (Jesus didn't die , his companion was Jesus clone so he can sacrifice for God and to save Jesus ) , something I wanted to tell you was that when God gave Musa the Torah there was a announcement that God will send a prophet and it was Jesus and before Jesus was about to leave , he said "a man will come and his name will be Ahmed (muhammad's short name) and he will be a prophet and a messenger and he will come from the Arab countries" So time passed and prophet Muhammad came and his book is Qur'an and he's the last prophet Hellfire: God lighted up hellfire for thousands of years and it became black hot hellfire and prophet said when Muslims will be in hellfire , the prophet will ask God to take out some groups of Muslims in hellfire and so God will tell him take out a group out of hellfire but then prophet saw another group of Muslims in hellfire so he will ask again and God will say same thing until he says I'm embarrassed to ask again so God will say it's my turn to be mercy so God will take out every Muslims out of hellfire and they will enter paradise Terrorist: Fake Muslims existed at the time of prophet and they are called dajjals or the liers who can make u believe and they are not Muslim and if they kill themselves God prepared hellfire for them so don't make Muslims as a war or killers anti peace religion cuz it isn't , we fight when there is attack but we can't start a war if a religion or country starts on us
It's amazing I've heard both arguments and they're both very convincing. I believe that we are in a Time bubble that God created to contain the sinful Fallen nature. The Bible says when we die we are asleep waiting the resurrection. So you could be buried in the grave for 10,000 years but when the trumpet blows and the resurrection happens for you it will have only been a moment of time. Such is the mystery of godliness and creation. Either way I'm trusting in Jesus in the finished work of the cross and not my own works
Only God has immortality. Humans have mortal souls so a person that dies can not live after death, instead is in an Unconscious state and waits for the resurrection. 1 Timothy 6:15-16 KJV which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
@@mrivera050272 i don't know who taught you that but 1 second after you take your last breath if you are not saved by the blood of jesus you will take your first breath in hell you will be awake alert you will know who you you will know where you are you soul will not die you will be just as alive in hell or heaven just as much as you are alive here on earth you just leave your body and go to your reward heaven or hell and you will be there though all eternity so yes after 1 second after your last breath here in your body will your first breath in eternity alive your soul will never die
"The body without the spirit is dead" James 2:26 "So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable;" 1 Corinthians 15:42 Therefore, the very definition of death is the inner man separating from the outer man. We can't be in two places at once. The body is dead because our spirit has left to be with God at the time of death.
I guess you didn't listen to anything he said in this video, he clearly said to be away from the body is to be at home with the Lord, no one's even talking about the body or arguing that point, we're talking about life and death, and Jesus Christ the savior of the world said that when you die you go to one or two places Luke chapter 16, now he's the one that died on the cross for everybody so you can believe him or you don't have to believe him
@Earthquake1964 okay so I guess you don't take Jesus Christ the savior of the world's word when he said in Luke chapter 16 that you either go to Hades awaiting place for the end times which is torment and pain or you go to paradise where Abraham is and where all who are saved is, you have to understand you just don't have a body, when you were born in the world you had a soul, and like Pastor Adrian Rogers said you will never cease for all of eternity to not have a soul, yes your body is asleep because when you die you look like you're asleep are you resemble that, but your soul is forever conscious, two different things
@@jesuschristfollower6251 you say you follow Christ in the Bible but yet you don't follow the teachings of the Bible the Bible says there is no knowledge no device where you are going ecc9:5 thoughts perish
Very true. ✴ _Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are IN THE GRAVES shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation._ (John 5: 28-29, KJV)
I witnessed when my mother died in hospital. From one second to the next all molekules of her body were still in that room but she was gone without return. Also the shine in her hair and face was gone in that very moment like you hard switch off an electrical device. The body might die piece by piece but the soul will go in one moment, and you realize that dead is absolut in this world.
Nope. We do not possess an immortal soul. That is a Greek lie. There would be no reason to "put on" immortality when Yeshua returns if we all had it to begin with. We put on immortality at the 7th shofar (trumpet).
Most people can tell the difference in how a dead person looks as compared to a sleeping person. Also, it is very interesting that of all those in the Bible who were dead or sleeping and brought back to life, none immediately began exclaiming the beautiful experience of a Heaven nor expressed any remorse over being brought back from Heaven.
The most likely explanation for those that were raised not going on about Heaven is that God , knowing that He was going to resurrect the mentioned individuals shortly , kept their souls near their bodies until they were brought back and He didn't allow them to remember their experience .
"Explain?" or "Speculate?" There is no evidence at all to support these opinions, and if you sit on your bum listening, instead of living, you are unlikely to be welcome at the Pearly Gates. Go and make a difference; you may not be of this world, but you are still in this world.
Once we die our soul/spirit are no longer operating in time and space and therefore there is no longer a period of waiting. We therefore come face to face with God in judgement.
That's not biblical, we are a living soul the spirit is the breath of God when we die the spirit goes back to God, we are made up of dust and God's breath equals a living soul.
@Nenku Thao there are still a few people pushing this Soul Sleep doctrine. One of the biggest arguments they use is Satan told Eve she would not surely die. And the Apostle Creed teaches, you go right into the presence of God instead of soul sleep in Sheol.
Thankyou so much. It means a lot to me. I am glad I know who he will be with. I love him so much and in His Arms I would love him to be. I will always love Him. I feel better now.
Answer for the question: ““There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores. “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’ “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’ “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ “ ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’ ”” Luke 16:19-31 NIV bible.com/bible/111/luk.16.19-31.NIV
That was a parable so how can it mean literally what's being said. The verses before obviously were parables. It says that everything Jesus spoke was in parable.
@@janetdavidson8798 Psalm 146:4: “His spirit (or breath) goes out, he returns to the ground. On that very day his thoughts perish.” So when a person dies, their spirit doesn’t continue to live on somewhere else. It means that the only hope for future life rests with God-Our life is in God’s hands.
Absent from the body is a Greek metaphor. It means to be unconcerned with carnal affairs."Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice.." John 5:28
Luke chapter 16 Jesus Christ the savior of the world said that when you die you either go to Paradise or you go to Hades in torment, now who's going to argue with Jesus Christ
Thank you,,,Pator John..you couldn't have said it better regarding life after death!!!! I have always believed,,our body falls asleep at death,,but,,our spirit will go to be with the Lord. amen. Blessings to you!!!!
What the pastor really should have said was I don’t know but I will give you my two since the pastor did not do a good job on answering the question so hear me out and read this comment in full. The short answer to this profound question that has confounded Man since ancient times is that Lazarus went where he was called from. I am not going to repeat what Jesus said about Lazarus when he died, but let it suffice that Lazarus was indeed dead dead. He was dead for 4 days before Jesus arrived at the grave site. Note also that Jesus went to call him from the grave, where he was. There are generally two schools of thought on what happens when a person dies. The first one embraced by the majority, is that the righteous dead go to paradise (heaven). The second which I believe is derived from the bible, and embraced by a few, is that all the dead (good and bad) sleep in their graves until the resurrection day. I will address the most popular first. Applying a bit of logic helps a great deal as well here. Imagine you are Lazarus and you have died. You are whisked to heaven and being a righteous man are admitted straight away into paradise. You are starting to really get into the grove when suddenly after 4 days of heavenly joy you are whisked back to this miserable earth to toil again. This is exactly what it would have meant if we believe that the dead go to heaven or hell when they die. I think we can all recognize how ridiculous this scenario is. The other view which in my opinion is derived from the bible, is that Lazarus after his death did not go anywhere. He was returned to the dust from which he came from as instructed by God in Gen 3:17. Jesus being the Creator was able to reverse the process of death and His breath reunited with the body and Lazarus became a living soul again. His consciousness, feeling and emotions all returned. We do not see the relatives running away that they have seen a ghost, but they embrace him and welcome him back. When Lazarus walked out of the grave, everyone should have crowded around Lazarus and asked him what the other side was like. It really would have made the headlines and what headlines they would have been. But instead what do we hear from Lazarus after his resurrection? Nothing, absolutely nothing. Why? Because there was nothing to tell. Time, feelings and all consciousness stopped. Even more interesting is the absence of questions from the onlookers! Why? Because their belief was typified in the answer given by Martha:“I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.” Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. 26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?” She said to Him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.” Some people use the argument we are present with the lord I think we are but that does not disprove soul sleeping I will explain further, so you die and your soul goes to the lord but who is to say your soul is not sleeping your soul could be sleeping in the presence of the lord while time passes then the resurrection happens and you are judged and when your soul is a sleep it will feel like it was just a second for you but for everyone else it was thousands of years or centuries this is because if your soul is out of space and time you would have no concept of time so a second for you is like centuries for everyone else if that makes sense.
@@victory4172 just to let you know I am a Christian so do not get the wrong idea. I believe the soul is present with the lord but I think it is unconscious or if it’s not unconscious I think it is in some other state rather than our version of consciousness down here on earth. 2: Looking at it from a logical standpoint helps a great deal as well here. Imagine you are Lazarus and you have died. You are whisked to heaven and being a righteous man are admitted straight away into paradise. You are starting to really get into the grove when suddenly after 4 days of heavenly joy you are whisked back to this miserable earth to toil again. This is exactly what it would have meant if we believe that the dead go to heaven or hell when they die. I think we can all recognize how ridiculous this scenario is. Not that you should believe in a eternal torment either. Also I’m pretty sure everyone would be asking Lazarus what the after life was like but guess what we hear 👂 nothing this because Lazarus has no recollection of the afterlife and if he did there would be news about it and what news it would be but instead there is no news of it historically speaking so what makes you think he went to heaven immediately based off those events and if you disagree give me a Bible verse in which you disagree on so I can find the correct counter argument.
@@amazinggamingbro947 just because we don't hear anything doesn't mean he had no recollection. Paul said he saw things that were not lawful for man to utter so I expect the same with Lazarus. I am a Christ follower as well but I do believe in consciousness in the presence of the Lord. There's angels and Elders praising and worshiping in his presence but folk who left earth is unconscious in his presence? I doubt that. He's the God of the living. Further, I do believe in eternity, the rapture and the resurrection.
@@victory4172I’m fine with not hearing anything as the article in my previous comment covers that regardless of you believe in soul sleep or not. Can you tell me the Bible verse we’re Paul says that I want the specific verse that way I can see if there any counter arguments from other Christians for it.
When my father was on his last few hours my Mum and I were with him in his hospital ward he kept on asking who is that standing there, we did not see anyone but I asked him what he was wearing and my dad said white, I then told him it was Jesus, he did not ask again and passed on while later ❤❤❤
@Daisy Fields The word translated as soul, really means living being. Therefore Genesis does not read and God breathed in his nostrils and gave him a soul. It says Adam became a soul. Soul just means living. So Adam became a living being. Your "soul"can't go anywhere, it is not an entity. But it is the life-force that return to God. Life doesn't just fizzle out... and dissipates in the air, according to the Bible. That life force remains with God, he reclaims it.
@Daisy Fields I am afraid you do not know your Bible. Firstly, the Father is not the Creator, Jesus is. John 1:1-4 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. Jesus is the Word. He is the one who became flesh. Secondly, you need to go back to the source documents as close as you can, and that means at least read the Hebrew and the Greek (New Testament). In th old Bible translations, the "breath of life" account was incorrectly translated to soul. But even so, the verse does not say and man RECEIVED A SOUL, it says man became a living soul. The correct translation from the Hebrew is MAN BECAME A LIVING BEING. So man did not reveive a soul. Neither did the Creator blow a spirit entity into man - the "breath of life" - in other words the gift of life was thus granted. Until today, scientists cannot tell you what life is, how it comes about and cannot replicate it. Being a triune human entity is a heresy, people trying to model themselves into the triune God. Neither did Jesus' "spirit" turn into a seperate entity as part of Him being fully human (also). On the cross, He said: "Father into your hands I commit my spirit". He told the one thief, "verily I say to you today, that you will be in paradise with me." Translators put the comma in the wrong place - as Hebrew or the other languages DO NOT USE punctuation marks, so verses have to be interpreted. Jesus DID NOT go to paradise that night, he went to Hades (death) Furthermore we know Jesus was not partly in heaven as he said in John 20:17 Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” So spirit is never used as a separate entity, except for the HOLY SPIRIT. Soul & Spirit are not literal things, but describe a nature or method, such as worship Him in "spirit and in truth". If you worship in spirit, it is not about falling down before God or saying prayers out loud (though it can be part of worship), but it is the non-carnal, non worldly way of holy worship.
@Daisy Fields Perhaps you & I are moving towards mutual understanding. But I didn't try to answer you on each point - I put forth the explanation of what the Bible says. This is not from my own understanding, but in learning from great teachers, preachers and theologians. The sou; though, does not live on after death. You are right in saying there is a difference between soul and body, but you are still making entities out of them, which is not what the words mean. Soul literally means LIVING BEING. Your body doesn't go in the ground & become dust while the soul suddenly becomes an immortal entity as it survives. It doesn't!!! The soul, this living being that I am, dies. And then I AM NO MORE, BUT! But for the fact that the portion of life, the portion of my existence being part of God's plan - that life that we do not understand how God gives it, that part goes back to God. So the gift of life He granted me, goes back to just being part of Him and not a separate entity, UNITIL THE RESURRECTION. You seem to agree that there is no consciousness after death, there are many Bible verses for that. As for your first point, the Father was not speaking to Jesus (the Word). The Bible never contradicts itself, and when the Bible is very specific, we have to accept only what is written. John 1:1-4 already says everything was made for him, and without him, nothing was made. So you cannot turn around and suddenly throw the Father in there. I don't know where you get the notion that there is no triune God - you already speak about the Father & Son? The trinity is the Father, Son (the Word) & Holy Spirit. The Genesis account refers to discussions the Godhead had with the Counsel. The counsel is mentioned several times, have a look at Psalm 82. By far not the only place. The first family the Godhead created, is one of a more spiritual nature, who exist in many more dimensions than we do. There was a revolt there. There also was a class of gods, sons of God, who formed an elite group. To a number of these, all the people at Babel were divided, for them to be guardians over. God has this discussion, saying "here's an idea, let's make man..." But then the Bible does NOT read then THEY CREATED! No! It reads GOD CREATED! My last comment about your reply, is the bit of spirit passed down from Adam... Absolutely not true. There is no basis in the Bible for that. God grants that very same life he gave Adam, to each and everyone of us in the womb. There are Bible verses about that. You are totally misinterpreting spirit. It is not a piece of godliness. The closest I can come to explain is that God has designed us to have a "special inner chamber" for the Holy Spirit - so we have a direct connection to the Godhead through the indwelt Spirit. But this only comes into play when you are reborn. Then it is activated - it is not some part of a characteristic God blew into Adam.
@Daisy Fields I went back to your earlier comments, I saw you and I agree more than we differ. May I suggest a wonderful scholar? He is Dr Michael Heiser, who was chief research theologian for many years at Logos Bible software. This man puts things into perspective like you wont believe. He has a 4 part lecture series called Supernatural.
@Daisy Fields I hear what you say about your point of view. Mine remains that the living body/soul dies. For a while, it is the end of it. What you call spirit, I call life force. No one but God can grant life. A sperm & ovum can join, but unless God grants life to it, it will be expelled. Have you ever wondered what life really is? It is a great mystery. Kind of a magical ingredient. Not only does its presence make a sentient being (at least in man) but it contains the "essence" the core being, the blueprint if you will, that for a while returns to God. Adam & Eve had to be expelled, had to be tempted first. When they failed, they couldn't in their fallen state receive immortality. Can you imagine that!! Jesus who ministered in sheol didn't minister to spirits, but to the sons (not capital letter) of God - the ones who came down to earth and took human women that bore them the Nephilim children; and taught mankind skills to better destroy themselves with, like warfare and abortion. God punished the world/people who became wicked all the time, especially with what the sons of God taught and the wickedness of the Nephilim, by sending the flood in Noah's days. It did not get completely rid of the Nephilim and there is text for that, too. If you read Book of the Watchers and other material, it is mentioned that the sons of God removed some of the Nephilim from the earth in vessels in the sky. Yet in Canaan the people were so big, the Israelites were like "grasshoppers" compared to them & the last giant mentioned is Goliath. We find what happened to the sons of God in 1 Peter 3:18-20 “For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.” Yeshua means "Salvation". So throughout the Bible Yeshua is mentioned countless times. The whole book is about Him! I battled for 10 years to try & understand who He is. A begotten son, is a son born. The genealogies all read, this one begat that one, etc. So he is a born son. But how? Then he cannot be a part of the triune if he is born. Then He is human or created, but He is NOT. He is God. If not God, the whole Bible is a lie and Yeshua was the biggest charlatan, cheat and conman that ever lived. He declared Himself to be God (before Abraham was, I am). He said in John 5:39-40 King James Version 39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. How can He grant life if not God? Then he deserved to die and the Sanhedrin had every right to have him crucified. So if He is both the begotten Son and the Word who created, how does that fit together? In Psalm 2:7 we find the answer: Psalms 2:7 NIV I will proclaim the LORD’s decree: He said to me, “You are my son; today I have become your father. Psalms 2:7 NCV Now I will tell you what the LORD has declared: He said to me, “You are my son. Today I have become your father. This was fulfilled when (Luke 3:21-22 ESV) Now when all the people were baptized, and when Jesus also had been baptized and was praying, the heavens were opened, and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form, like a dove; and a voice came from heaven, “You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased.” It refers to Yeshua in His material form, as the Perfect Man. So He is both the Word and the Son. I prefer Triune I don't like the word Trinity, as it makes it sound like a pantheon of Gods. They are distinctly different in their functions and character traits. Another man whom I love listening to, especially for clarity on Jewish meaning and intent. It is Messianic rabbi Zev Porat. His channel is Messiah of Israel ministries. They are based in Israel. He comes from the Sanhedrin, staunch, upper class rabbinic background. His parents denounced him and kicked him out when he was born again. Whatever I've heard him say, has always been strictly scriptural. I don't think you can accept part of the Bible, and other parts not. The parts that don't seem to fit, just means you need to search some more
Also in the transfiguration Moses and Elijah were seen by those with Jesus. Another indication of being conscious after death and before physical resurrection.
Later in the chapter, Jesus described this as a vision. So the events were not actually happening at that time. This was maybe a glimpse into the millennial reign but neither Elijah nor Moses were alive at that time.
Matthew 17, verse 9. This is where Jesus tells Peter, James and John "tell the vision to no man". The word translated as vision is the same word to describe it when Peter saw the blanket containing unclean foods
I fully believe in "soul sleep" after my 2 death/resuscitation experiences where there was no consciousness. Yes, let the Bible interpret itself. Together, all the verses both sides of the argument form the perfect case for soul sleep. Parables like Lazarus and the rich man has 2 possible interpretations. But there are verses that make it abundantly clear that there is soul sleep until the resurrection. The Hebrew word that was translated as soul (nephesh) actually means "living"
@@mercibeaucoup2639 As a person that died twice, I can tell you there is no consciousness after death. Because the soul sleeps and there are over 100 Biblical texts that explain this. Some expressly say that the dead know nothing, they cannot worship God. I was fortunate to be resuscitated eventually and this brought me to a crossroad. The reason why stern warning is given against ouija boards and consulting spirits, is because demons are the ones who answer. Why do you think fooling around with these things always come back to haunt participants? It's because they're given an open door to invade your life.
Solomon wrote that when we die, "the spirit will return to God who gave it" ( Ecclesiastes 12:7 Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return to God who gave it. ). So at death, one's spirit returns to God, while the body on earth decays or is destroyed.
*"...at death, one's spirit returns to God...."_ The Hebrew word here translated as "spirit" is -"ruach."' It means breath, wind, or spirit. What returns to God is the breath of life.
Satan's first lie was "thou shall not surely die"... The lie continues to be perpetuated. The dead "know nothing" Ecc 9:5. Death is as a sleep. The soul is mortal until Jesus' return. When Cain slew Able and God confronted him, he didn't say to Cain, "Hey, Able just showed up at the Pearly gates. What'd you do to him?" No, God said "his blood crieth from the ground." Jesus after he was resurrected and met Mary said He hadn't ascended to His Father yet which means Jesus had remained in the grave body and all and not ascended to heaven. Bible says "David", who was loved by God still sleeps with his fathers. To die and be with Christ means to be dead in Christ and awaiting the glorious resurrection... Nothing wrong with that. It'll be like a twinkling of an eye for the believer who dies in Christ from this world to heaven even though thousands of years may have past by. Don't get caught up in Spiritualism. Read scripture and study this subject for yourself.
Pastor John starts out good, indicating the source of the "immortal soul" is the Greeks. But then he teaches exactly that. We have grieving people asking the question and being given the same lie that the serpent told to Eve in the garden, not realizing that the truth is every bit as comforting. In the parable "The picture Jesus paints is one of a conscious life ... beyond death". What you missed is that not only is it beyond death, it is a picture of the kingdom of God beyond resurrection. We know this because Lazarus was carried by angels to Abraham's bosom. When Christ returns, "he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds". (Matt 24:31) God alone has immortality. Please stay within the bounds of scripture if you wish to teach truth that is Biblical.
Genesis: God said “you will surely die.” Satan said “you will not surely die.” We are mortal, not immortal. We die (sleep) and know nothing until the resurrection.
The word death in that context was meant as spiritual death, they became mortal because they disobeyed God, Christians were dead but have been made alive in Christ
Scott Janzen 1 Timothy 6:16. Talking of God... “Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.” Scripture shows only God is immortal. We receive eternal life when he comes again in the clouds at the last day. 2 Thess 4 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Soul is you! Spirit is what gives you life in the Body, your cage, blanket! When u die, your Soul continue to exist and it can see on the spiritual realm! if your soul was obedient during your earthy life, it goes to Heaven! heaven have many places, Souls are kept in waiting place awaiting Jesus return so he may reunite their soul back to their bodies which will be raised immortally.
At His resurrection three days later John 20:17 Jesus said to her (Mary), " stop clinging to Me , for I have not yet ascended to the Father,". According to this Jesus did not go to heaven immediately after his death. Scripture tells us he went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison. 1 Peter 3:18-19
@@jeff5163 I don't think Jesus said "today" meaning something else. Ephesians 4:8 says "When he ascended on high, he took many captives and gave gifts to his people." This is when he went to Sheol and brought his chosen people to Heaven right after he died. John 20:17 is after he resurrected in his earthly body and had not yet gone back to Heaven a second time.
In the original text, there was no punctuation. Some translators have put it in that passage incorrectly. If Jesus said “truly I tell you (comma) today you will be with Me...” then He was a liar and is of no use to humanity. Because as Jeff Jones showed above, He had NOT yet ascended. We also know that while He was dead, He was preaching to the spirits in chains. So He did NOT go to Paradise that day. Now, read the passage correctly; “Truly I tell you today (comma) you will be with me....” He was assuring the thief that he would join Jesus in paradise, but He wasn’t claiming it would be that day. He’s saying “I am making this promise to you right now (Today) so you can know you WILL join Me in Paradise. But He wasn’t claiming it would happen that day!
@@a.t.strock2960 Pslam 73:18-19 Truly you set them in slippery places; you make them fall to ruin. How they are destroyed in a moment, swept away utterly by terrors!
At Creed you argue that a comma is misleading in that verse as it refers to immediate occupancy in heaven but then you turn around and use a comma to try and prove your point that there is no immediate occupancy in heaven. As far as Him not yet ascending to the father; He told Mary not to cling to Him (clinging to His body) therefore we can assume He was talking about His physical and glorified body not yet ascending into Heaven.
The focus of this was do you sleep till the first resurrection. We know the first resurrection is immediate so no sleep is involved. You are described as one who does not even die. The better focus which they never addressed is do you sleep till the second resurrection supposing you were not chosen for the first resurrection. The answer to this is yes, you sleep in a state of being called Death till the second resurrection of the dead.
The answer is so simple. No one seems to think it through. Question: Does your consciousness of soul stop when you sleep? Only in one way. You stop being body conscious. So? When your soul leaves the body? We "sleep" because we stop being body conscious. Does not the Bible teach that the Lord spoke to various people in their dreams and showed them things pertaining to reality? Thus... we will enter a dream like state. Yet, we as our soul can have full contact with the Lord, receiving what he desires us to know and to see. Its not complicated. It really is not. When we sleep we stop being body conscious. We do not lose consciousness of being who we are when we dream.
@@ksrksr547 Thank you, Katie. Philippians 1:9 tells us all... "And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and *depth of insight*. "
@@gheorghebatu7919 Demons imitating dead loved ones can give the uniformed the impression that the dead can hear us. We're being watched and studied all the time.
Why do Christians fall for "experts" like Pastor John using passages like those in Philippians 1, and II Corinthians 5 to teach a conscious state after death? (Both passages are referring to the resurrection.) It is because most church folk rarely read their Bible and they study it less often than that. They don't know, for example, what Solomon, the wisest man who ever lived, outside of Jesus, said: _"There is hope, however, for anyone who is among the living; for even a live dog is better than a dead lion. For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing."_ (Ecclesiastes 9: 4-5, BSB)
But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. Let them alone: they be _blind leaders of the blind._ And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
Phil 1:21 applies equally for soul sleep as Paul's next conscious moment after death will be in the presence of Jesus(at His glorious return) to receive his reward.
Awoken xTwiistx you cannot base doctrine on one scripture when there are over 50 other scriptures that state the dead know nothing, no longer praise the lord, return to dust, and do not meet the lord until the resurrection. So I’m context, to be absent from the lord one would be dead u til the resurrection...which seems to be only a moment.
@@awokenxtwiistx9892 I see this a lot. You're misquoting 2 Corinthians 5:8. It does not say... (“to be absent from the body is to be present with the lord”). People misquote it like this all the time. In 2 Corinthians 5:8, Paul is simply saying he would (RATHER) be with the Lord... 2 Corinthians 5:8 (KJV) we are confident, I say, and willing (RATHER) to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. Paul was well aware that Jesus referred to death as sleep... John 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. 12: Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. 13: Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. 14: Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. Sani Yahuza is actually telling you the truth. Have you ever thought about the fact that out of all the resurrections in the bible, not one person ever said anything about what they saw while they were dead? There's a simple answer to this question. None of them saw or experienced anything. Here's why... Ecclesiastes 9:5 (KJV) For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Out of all the people who died and were resurrected, not one of them said anything about what they experienced after they died. Why do you think that is? It's because Ecclesiastes 9:5 is actually telling the truth. ("For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing"). Q: How much do you know, if you don't know anything? A: Nothing! Just like all of the people who died and were resurrected. They didn't know anything. Therefore, they couldn't share what they experienced after they died. If what I'm saying is not true, show me one verse in the bible where someone was dead, then resurrected, and then explained what they saw while they were dead. You won't find any verse like this in the entire bible. That's because the dead don't know anything. With the exception of a small select group of people who have already been resurrected, everyone else who is dead is waiting to be resurrected.
I find this comforting as I have faced death many times recently. Lost most my family. This question has on always been confusing. Thank you for the sweet clarification. God bless you!!!!
I know right!! As if it matters you're living outside of time.🤣. That's right up there with will I have memories of this Earth in heaven.🤣 oh yeah let's not forget the best one. Post-trib pre-trib mid-trib. I look at it this way why take a chance🤣 be ready for all scenarios🤔 I think there's 38,000 Christian denominations . You probably got at least 19000 different opinions . On these subjects🤣🤣
No. I only have the 1 opinion which is you shouldn't believe in things you do not know and especially you shouldn't tell people things are true when you cant prove it...gossip if you will
Garreth Oien ohh I know he does not know that that’s not what I’m talking about I’m talking about the existence of a the Christian god or just a god in general I just wanted to know if you were atheist agnostics deist Christian or some other belief system. That’s what I wanted to debate about I agree with you on the pastor does not know he did not answer questions anyways. But I’m talking about debating god if anything.
In the case of the rich man and Lazarus, if the story is not a parable, then there are some critical questions to be answered. 1. Can the dead speak, as was the case with the rich man who called out to Abraham? 2. Will the righteous continue to experience the suffering of their loved ones who may be in hell? What kind of eternal happiness will that bring for the righteous? 3. If it is literal, do all the righteous fit in Abraham's bosom? Remember, we are assuming that the story is literal and not a parable. 4. Will those in heaven communicate with those in hell?
Absent from the body is a Greek metaphor. It means to be unconcerned with carnal affairs."Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice.." John 5:28
@@jordanlindo9703 Clearly not a Greek metaphor, given that fact that it mentions the "Lord". This is completely antithetical to Greek philosophy. Paul unambiguously qualifies his own statement in the same sentence: To be absent in the body=present with the Lord. This is validated in the original koine Greek. Why else would Paul prefer to die? Paul, being a Christian, would have no desire to compromise solid doctrine with Greek philosophy. He was extremely critical of foolish, vain philosophies, and commanded us to keep away from them. I have never come across any scholarship that states that Paul's verse was a Greek metaphor with the meaning that you've implied.
As long as you believe that man has a soul as most people believe you will think that way. Read Gen 2:7. It never says that man has a soul but rather man BECAME a living soul. The equation B(breath) + D(dust)=S(soul). S-B=D.
If we have conciousness after dead then why is the need of a resurrection?? Why does the scripture says the dead cannot praise God ?? To note Jesus never gives an straightforward or plain answer to questions If the story of Lazarus is literal then that's the only one not a parable and jesus also said why he 'only' speak in parables. Let's not take out scripture out of context and put our own meaning and thoughts to it
@Chandenie Permaul the dead body cannot praise God, it's lost all ability to do anything. But, the soul that was in the human body leaves it at death. Rev 6:9-11 shows this truth. The souls in this passage knew they were human and knew they were killed. The fact the souls asked a question to the "O, Sovereign Lord...." (V0) proves they AS SOULS were not "sleeping". Their dead bodies on earth would look as if they were sleeping. But they, AS SOULS were alive to ask the question of v10.
Martin Luther believed in soul sleep, who translated the Word of God into the German language. Tindall also held that position, who also, translated the Bible, into English.
All I hear is assumptions made from the word of Paul, when Jesus Himself never taught that the dead goes straight to heaven or hell. The immortality of a soul is a foreign concept for the Jews. The parable of Lazarus and the rich man is Jesus' way of teaching the Jews a lesson about salvation. The Jews thought that because they were descendants of Abraham, they are automatically confirmed to be in the Kingdom of God. All the while, they hoarded the knowledge of God, the Scriptures, all to themselves and cared not for the suffering Gentiles. To be at Abraham's bosom means heaven for the Jews while Hades is a concept of hell for the Gentiles. So Jesus brilliantly switched the ending of both characters (Lazarus represents the Gentiles, who are poor in the knowledge of God; the rich man represents the Jews). It is obviously a parable, because if it was a literal event, it contradicts the teachings of the Scriptures (in Jesus' time, it's the Old Testament). The dead does not communicate with each other. Death is an unconscious state. Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 (UKJV) For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. Psalms 88:10 (UKJV) Will you show wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise you? Selah. Psalms 146:3-4 (UKJV) Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. His breath goes forth, he returns to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish. Psalms 115:17 (UKJV) The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence. With that being said, I still think Paul is right. To be absent from the body, is to be with the Lord. When you sleep, you lose track of time. Hours pass in what seems like a blink of an eye. Our next conscious thought after death is hearing Jesus calling and seeing Him in all His glory, and what a wondrous thing it will be!
I had a Christian friend of mine who died and he saw angels just b4 he died, Lazarus was taken to Abrahams bosom by angels, in rev it talks about the souls of those killed for Jesus wanting revenge, in 1st Thes 4v14 it mentions that the he brings with him those who have fallen asleep
It's amazing, God the Father knows absolutely everyone who will ever exist in infinite detail. He chose some to share Eternity with him through faith in his Son. An indescribable gift. I pray with all my heart to be one of these incredibly blessed individuals. God bless everybody.
If you believe as it is on Romans 10:9, you have no reason to be praying for salvation, you have it. God does not want us guessing and hoping, He wants us to have no doubt. You can find many people who claim they are no longer a Christian, when actually, they never were. God knows our hearts and they never confessed from their heart, they did from their feel-good moment at the time.
@@friendyadvice2238 God speaks of us with such assurance, He puts it at we're already there, that's how sure it is! Eph. 2:6 "And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:" It's just a matter of time that NOTHING can stop, and that time can be at any time.
From Jesus' own words: John 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
@@AnnieO100 jesus was sleeping for 3 days so how can he talk to the wicked spirits? Bible says jesus was raised on third day in a spiritually body and then he preached judgement to the wicked angels that followed Satan
Jesus didn't go to heaven immediately after His death, Mary do not touch Me,(detain Me) for I have not ascended to My Father. Unconcious, asleep, until the resurrection. David says, in death there is nothing done under the sun, no remembrance of anything, no praises, no work, no knowledge of anything.
But what about those that die in un-repented sin and will ultimately go to hell? Shouldn't they first stand before Him and be judged then go to hell? So after they die will they be judged right then? I thought the bible said they must first be told why?(judged) Also if their souls are already being tormented for thousands of years, why bother with judgement day? To me , as for my having been born again (saved), it is not that big of a deal due to the fact that if i die and just become unconscious (sleep) I will merely be unaware of it as I sleep and await the return of Christ and my resurrection. (i will have no recollection of time) But for the sinners that die w/o repentance? Well that is a different story! Like i said, what's the need for judgement day? I don't think I will be judged. My name IS in the Lambs book of Life! The blood of Christ is on over my door! He has forgiven me ALL my sins!(past,present,future-- ALL!) But I do know this is one of the most confusing things about the word to me when it comes to judgement day. If anyone can help me put this question to rest, by all means please do!
For these prophetic times : READ DANIEL ENTIRELY... THEN read Revelation entirely... The two are connected..Make sure to have the KJV STUDY BIBLE...original...All EXPLAINED in details and FULLFILS precisely as written..How can be there any doubt ? Trust in the Lord only not false preachers... OUR salvation depends on true faith...
Julia D. - you didn’t answer the question to previous comment - I’m confused too, please explain without referring us to read the Bible, since that’s difficult to understand at times
Son ask yourself this question. Does the Bible teaches that man has a soul or does it teach that man is a living soul? Read Gen 2:7. Also asked yourself what are the components of a living being(soul). Gen 2:7. It did not say man was given a soul but rather he became a living soul. Equation: D+B=S. Dust plus Breath equals Soul, Dust minus Breath equals dust not soul.
@@ericevelyn3016 You've given an answer to a question that wasn't asked! If you can't answer the guy's sincere question, then perhaps you should have the grace to either answer concisely and pertinent to the issue, or simply say you don't know the answer. Profound questions require something more than a trite, irrelevant response.
The Bible clearly teaches the dead are NOT conscious when they die. This is Greek philosophy which came into the church along with the immortality of the soul (God alone is immortal) and the pagan belief that the lost are tortured for all eternity. All these are teachings of Plato and Socrates.
Yes the breath you have is the breath of life which came from god. God breathed into the nostrils of the man adam and the adam became a living soul, this is with all living beings. That breath is also called ruh, which means spirit. In the book of job, job said the breath he breaths in his nostrils is the breath of god.
It makes perfect since what Christ said. I'm terms of how we see the body in the state of death here on earth. The body "dies" in our terminology, but for believers it is really simply asleep since it will be re-awoken at the return of Christ, praise God! but for those who are not believers in Christ, they will unfortunately die for good. This is why we must ask God to help us believe in his only Son, if we don't already and for believers we must pray for faith that will last until the end!
In 2 Corinthians 5, I don’t think Apostle Paul was trying to teach that a believer would be immediately in the lords' presence at the point of death. Here is my reasoning as follows: - The entire context Is found in verse 1, Paul talks of an earthly tent/house, I think it is pretty safe to assume he means the earthly body. If this earthly body is torn down/dies, then we have a building/new body made without hands in the heavens. Paul then goes on to talk about groaning in this present earthly body and longing to be clothed with our heavenly body, inasmuch, that if we put it on, we will not be found naked/unclothed. My reasoning here is, that being found naked or unclothed, is in relation to being torn down, [ie] it’s speaking metaphorically of death. Paul then follows in verse 8 with the statement:- “but we are of good courage and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord” I m o, the above verse cannot be speaking of being with Christ immediately at the point of death, because in this context, the believer would have to receive his new immortalised body at that same point, so as to not be found unclothed or naked in the lords' presence, this then leaves the problem of what body is there for the immortal soul/spirit to put on at the resurrection if they have already received it in the heavens at the point of death. Therefore, I can only conclude, that Paul meant he would rather be with Christ in his Immortalised resurrected body than be present in his suffering earthly body, yet the position between the two states of being [ie] being unclothed/dead, was very undesirable. In Philippians 1: 21, Paul said that for him to die is gain; although death was an undesirable state in Paul’s mind. Christ explains a seed first has to die before it brings forth its fruit and Paul understood this, that’s why he taught the natural man comes “before” the spiritual man [ie] the natural man has to die “before” the spiritual man is resurrected 1 Corinth 15:46. Philippians 1:23 [a]: - “But I am hard-pressed from both directions” Paul is hard pressed between what’s more desirable, staying alive for Christ or the state of being dead/sleeping until Christ returns 1 Thess 4:16. Yet, Paul expresses a position even more desirable than both of those: - 1 Philip 23:[b]:- “having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better” I believe the “departing” and being with the Lord is about being caught away “a k a” the rapture. 1 Corinth 15:51 - 55 + 1 Thess 4:17. I believe it was this that Paul desired more than staying alive for Christ in his present earthly body, or being in a state of death/sleep until Christ’s coming [ie] the catching away would solve all dilemmas. Peace
The closest to soul sleep is when we’re put under and told to count down from 100. The next thing we know, we’re in the ICU recovering from our serious operation. The 2 hours spent under the scalpel seemed like a couple of minutes.
As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all. ECCL11 []
The correct is in the last verse in Daniel says , rest in thy lot till the 1335 day . He died many years ago and is still resting till the dead will arise first and then the saved will be taken in a tweaking of your eye and meet the Lord in the sky be. If you read the Bible ? You will know these things
Right around 3:34 where the minister talks about 1 Thessalonians 4:14 ... "even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him". The "will God bring with Him" is a from earth to Heaven direction and NOT a heaven to earth direction. Verses 15 to 18 explains how the "bring with Him" happens.
Genesis 3:19 “In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.” Psalms 6:5 “For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?” Ecclesiastes 9:5 “For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.”
“The short answer to this profound question that has confounded Man since ancient times is that Lazarus went where he was called from. I am not going to repeat what Jesus said about Lazarus when he died, but let it suffice that Lazarus was indeed dead dead. He was dead for 4 days before Jesus arrived at the grave site. Note also that Jesus went to call him from the grave, where he was. There are generally two schools of thought on what happens when a person dies. The first one embraced by the majority, is that the righteous dead go to paradise (heaven). The second which I believe is derived from the bible, and embraced by a few, is that all the dead (good and bad) sleep in their graves until the resurrection day. I will address the most popular first. Applying a bit of logic helps a great deal as well here. Imagine you are Lazarus and you have died. You are whisked to heaven and being a righteous man are admitted straight away into paradise. You are starting to really get into the grove when suddenly after 4 days of heavenly joy you are whisked back to this miserable earth to toil again. This is exactly what it would have meant if we believe that the dead go to heaven or hell when they die. I think we can all recognize how ridiculous this scenario is. The other view which in my opinion is derived from the bible, is that Lazarus after his death did not go anywhere. He was returned to the dust from which he came from as instructed by God in Gen 3:17. Jesus being the Creator was able to reverse the process of death and His breath reunited with the body and Lazarus became a living soul again. His consciousness, feeling and emotions all returned. We do not see the relatives running away that they have seen a ghost, but they embrace him and welcome him back. When Lazarus walked out of the grave, everyone should have crowded around Lazarus and asked him what the other side was like. It really would have made the headlines and what headlines they would have been. But instead what do we hear from Lazarus after his resurrection? Nothing, absolutely nothing. Why? Because there was nothing to tell. Time, feelings and all consciousness stopped. Even more interesting is the absence of questions from the onlookers! Why? Because their belief was typified in the answer given by Martha:“I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.” Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. 26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?” She said to Him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.” Some people use the argument we are present with the lord I think we are but that does not disprove soul sleeping I will explain further, so you die and your soul goes to the lord but who is to say your soul is not sleeping your soul could be sleeping in the presence of the lord while time passes then the resurrection happens and you are judged and when your soul is a sleep it will feel like it was just a second for you but for everyone else it was thousands of years or centuries this is because if your soul is out of space and time you would have no concept of time so a second for you is like centuries for everyone else if that makes sense.
Not Permitted To Talk While there is no record of any of those who were resuscitated as relating their experiences in the next world, this does not mean they were unconscious. Paul, for example, clearly said that he was not permitted to relate his experience of the time he was in the presence of God. [Paul] was caught up into Paradise and heard things that are not to be told, that no mortal is permitted to repeat (2 Corinthians 12:4). Moreover this is an argument from silence. We do not know that Lazarus, or some of the other people who were resuscitated, did not ever talk about their experiences. All we know is that there experience was not recorded. This does not mean they had nothing to talk about.
@@jb-vg4cb Looking at it from a logical standpoint helps a great deal as well here. Imagine you are Lazarus and you have died. You are whisked to heaven and being a righteous man are admitted straight away into paradise. You are starting to really get into the grove when suddenly after 4 days of heavenly joy you are whisked back to this miserable earth to toil again. This is exactly what it would have meant if we believe that the dead go to heaven or hell when they die. I think we can all recognize how ridiculous this scenario is. Not that you should believe in a eternal life of torment either. I’m saying don’t believe in Hell and believe in soul sleep.
@@amazinggamingbro947 The Apostle John explains at the end of John that all of the events recorded in his gospel are for one purpose. Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name. John 20:30 SO THE MAIN PURPOSE THESE MIRACLES WAS FOR HIS DISCIPLES,AND SEE HIS WORKS Martha in the Bible aulso believed in soul sleep and said he will rise in the last day but jesus corrected her Jesus told her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Anyone who believes in me will live, even after dying.
@@jb-vg4cb yea I know Jesus did more signs than what was recorded in the text as many of the Bible text were written decades after the events transpired so it was possible the apostles simply did not have good enough memory of some events.
When your sleeping , there is no soul, Your sleeping, A person alive is a soul, A dead person is no soul, There is no independent spirit in people's body, When God created Adan , He gave Adan the breath of life , Without the breath of life Adan go back to a simple figure on the ground , Only God gives life.
False. *Ecclesiastes 9:5-6* “For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. As well their love, as their hatred and their envy, is perished long ago; neither have they any more a portion for ever in anything that is done under the sun.”
Questions: Who will rise when Jesus comes the second time? Where are the wicked dead now? Why is it a lie when Satan contradict God and told Eve that "ye shall not surely die "? Why did the Bible say that only God is immortal when humans can't die? Why does the Bible say the dead know nothing? Why does the Bible say the memories, the thoughts, and the praise of the dead cease? Why did God warn humanity not to seek out the dead? Did Jesus call Lazarus back from heaven? Why would the Bible say the dead righteous would rise and then be caught up? Again???? What happens to 'the soul that sinneth shall surely die'? What happens to 'it's appointed unto man once to die'? Teaching of the immortality of the soul is straight from Satan Don't be deceived
a very good answer Gary You're exactly right if anyone would have known what death was about it would have been Lazarus Jesus explained that he was asleep simply asleep when Lazarus was raised the spirit or breath that's used in Genesis came back to him and he was now alive again and if anybody would have known what death held for us as well as himself he would have but he said nothing. why because he knew not anything plain and simple I love hearing the truth preaching the truth That's why it's called plain truth.
Gary Southwell that was a parable. Jesus spoke in parables. And even in the parable, Lazarus could have no part with heaven as in he couldn’t go back and forth. The Bible only teaches that the dead know nothing and return to dust until the last day when Jesus returns with the Trump and voice I’d the arch angel.
@@alllthatinacan Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead for real. Not a parable. You might be thinking of the parable so-called 'the Rich man and Lazarus'.
dwpbeliever 1 ahhh... you’re right. I was thinking they were talking about Lazarus and the rich man.. My apologies. Lazarus came forth from the grave and not down from heaven (as the first commenter states). He was asleep as you say.
Scripture tells us that in death there is no remembrance (Ps 6:5), that we go into silence (Ps 115:17), our thoughts perish (Ps 146:4), the dead know nothing (Eccl 9:5), and that there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom in the grave (Eccl 9:10). The dead are in the grave awaiting resurrection (1 Thess 4:15-16), waiting for our blessed hope (Titus 2:13), what we will be has not yet appeared (1 John 3:2), and when Christ appears then we will appear with him in glory (Col 3:3-4). No man has ascended up to heaven but Christ (John 3:13), not even David who is still in his grave (Acts 2:29, 2:34). He has gone to prepare a place for us and when he comes again he will take us to himself (John 14:3). No eye has seen, no ear has heard, nor the heart of man imagined what God has prepared (1 Cor 2:9). Instead, those who die are metaphorically asleep (dead) in the grave awaiting resurrection (1 Thess 4:15-16).
The verses that people use to try to say souls sleep, are all referring to the physical body. The spirit and soul never sleeps, it doesn't need to, it's eternal. Sleep is for physical bodies. There are several scriptures that prove the soul and spirit remain awake and alive. *Acts 7:59* _"And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, _*_receive my spirit."_* *Luke 23:39-43* _"And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, _*_Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."_* *Luke 16:22-24* _“And it came to pass, that _*_the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom:_*_ the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.”_ As you can see, the spirit and souls of both the sinner and the righteous went somewhere fully awake after their death, one to hell and one to Abraham's bosom (paradise).
Those souls "under the altar" in Rev 6:9-11 at one point were human-beings that were killed for the word of God and the testimony they bore. Yet they know that they, as soul-beings, can communicate with "O Sovereign Lord, holy and true.." These souls "under the altar" knew they were human-beings "how long before you judge and avenge our BLOOD?". They were told by either the Sovereign Lord or some other to wait for the number of servants to be killed as they were themselves HAD BEEN. Two realms, 1. souls under the altar/in the presence of the Sovereign Lord after being killed on earth. 2. And earth, servants waiting to be killed.
I've researched this for a long time, studied the bible and listened to "experts" both real and on the internet. I know the answer! The answer is we really don't know
Because he's referring to a physical corpse. Naturally their plans come to nothing. The soul is still very much alive...but not yet with a redeemed, glorified body.
@@roderickcruz5234 So you're saying that the spirit that we have when we're alive as humans, somehow isn't really a spirit? Think about what you're saying as it makes zero sense. Spirit is spirit. You don't get to downgrade it in to a non-entity simply because it conflicts with your preconceived beliefs.
@@01Mary02 Our soul is our emotions, conscience, cognition, senses, which came to be by the breathe of life that God gave us. Our character is the spirit that was developed through the years brought about by our experiences, enlightenment, and influences. Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, and self control are all characters, and the opposite of these are all characters also. These are the things that will only matter in judgement day, and the very character of the Judge who is Loving, Gracious, Merciful, Just, and Righteous.
What is the point of the resurrection at the 2nd coming if not that those that are dead are resurrected by Christ? If those that are dead in Christ are already consciously with Jesus in heaven why resurrect their dead bodies?
when someone dead the breath of God which combine to produce a living soul has left the body. The next state for that body is dust. B+D=S, S-B=D. How difficult is this to understand? Man does not have a soul, that teaching is not from the Bible. Check Gen 2:7
Well my mom just passed at home peacefully 4 pm and we had a service around her bed the ME came at 5 pronounced her dead and the crematory took her at 9 pm. She looked asleep the whole time. You knew spirit was gone it felt different but she physically looked asleep.
@@ericevelyn3016 Explain, in detail, why you have issues with this statement. And I mean "in detail". I'm afraid being vague and ambiguous is a complete waste of time for all involved. Personally, I think you're being deliberately cryptic in order to conceal the fact that you're unable to answer questions with clarity. God's not the author of confusion. Some people know that they don't know, and can be taught. Others (perhaps you) don't know that they don't know. Such people cannot be taught!
bro if it is that you have a problem understanding what I said throwing angry words at me does not solve your problem. Can't you see that I am calm, cool and collective? Why? Because I am being guided by the Holy Spirit. I do not have to call you names to get over what I am saying. Take the anger out of the equation and place Christ into it. With that I'll say to you have a good day and may the good Lord direct your path, may He give you humility, discernment and the will to understand. In spite of all what you called me or say about me I still love you and want you to achieve the love of God now and forever. Have a wonderful and blessed day bro.
Adam and Eve were not allowed to eat from tree of life,so how can people have immortal souls,and Bible says only God has immortality. Remember a 1000 years are like a day to God.
I tried and still trying my best go live a meaningful life, but at this point, if I was given a choice to continue living or to know what happens to us when we die, I would just the latter.
Thank you for atleast being more fair to the importance of the necessity and teaching of the bodily resurrection in scripture. Often this is neglected as well as leaving open the comment section. Often those wishing to "debunk" soul sleep dont allow comments. I guess they know that some of us are very passionate about this truth. Our only hope is Jesus coming to restore life to those who have fallen asleep in Him. Paul speaks of, and contrasts, his present body with the body he recieves when he sees Christ. Which seems to be said that this occurs at His appearing. On the last day. Like When Mary soeaks to Jesus about her dead brother. He does not correct her but affirms that His presence is what necessitates bringing life. Where was Lazarus but the grave with our Lord on earth at that time?
What the pastor should had said was I don’t know but I agree with you read my comment in full. The short answer to this profound question that has confounded Man since ancient times is that Lazarus went where he was called from. I am not going to repeat what Jesus said about Lazarus when he died, but let it suffice that Lazarus was indeed dead dead. He was dead for 4 days before Jesus arrived at the grave site. Note also that Jesus went to call him from the grave, where he was. There are generally two schools of thought on what happens when a person dies. The first one embraced by the majority, is that the righteous dead go to paradise (heaven). The second which I believe is derived from the bible, and embraced by a few, is that all the dead (good and bad) sleep in their graves until the resurrection day. I will address the most popular first. Applying a bit of logic helps a great deal as well here. Imagine you are Lazarus and you have died. You are whisked to heaven and being a righteous man are admitted straight away into paradise. You are starting to really get into the grove when suddenly after 4 days of heavenly joy you are whisked back to this miserable earth to toil again. This is exactly what it would have meant if we believe that the dead go to heaven or hell when they die. I think we can all recognize how ridiculous this scenario is. The other view which in my opinion is derived from the bible, is that Lazarus after his death did not go anywhere. He was returned to the dust from which he came from as instructed by God in Gen 3:17. Jesus being the Creator was able to reverse the process of death and His breath reunited with the body and Lazarus became a living soul again. His consciousness, feeling and emotions all returned. We do not see the relatives running away that they have seen a ghost, but they embrace him and welcome him back. When Lazarus walked out of the grave, everyone should have crowded around Lazarus and asked him what the other side was like. It really would have made the headlines and what headlines they would have been. But instead what do we hear from Lazarus after his resurrection? Nothing, absolutely nothing. Why? Because there was nothing to tell. Time, feelings and all consciousness stopped. Even more interesting is the absence of questions from the onlookers! Why? Because their belief was typified in the answer given by Martha:“I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.” Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. 26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?” She said to Him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.” Some people use the argument we are present with the lord I think we are but that does not disprove soul sleeping I will explain further, so you die and your soul goes to the lord but who is to say your soul is not sleeping your soul could be sleeping in the presence of the lord while time passes then the resurrection happens and you are judged and when your soul is a sleep it will feel like it was just a second for you but for everyone else it was thousands of years or centuries this is because if your soul is out of space and time you would have no concept of time so a second for you is like centuries for everyone else if that makes sense.
There is not one clear passage in the bible that says we go straight to heaven or hell. It says we sleep. The bible is very clear that death is a sleep. Psalm 115:17 "The dead do not praise the Lord, nor do any who go down into silence."
Frankly Frank but JESUS did say, when hanging on the cross, "today you will be in paradise with ME" Or where did Enoch or Elijah go when the LORD took them? Philip saw the heaven open up before he died. I'm not saying that you're wrong it's just that i have a lot of questions on this topic. Sometimes i think we'll be with GOD immediately when we die but then i think about Lazarus or all the other people that died and came back to life. It would be unfair for them to come back to this life when they're with CHRIST.
Paulus Van Slooten thanks for the comment. When Jesus said today you will be with me in Paradise he did not mean that very day as he was himself in the grave for 3 days. So he did not mean that very day he and the thief would be in Paradise together.
Frankly Frank thank you for your answer. I did hear one time that maybe the comma wasn't put in the right place in that sentence. That maybe it was lik this "I say to you today, you will be with me in paradise" But that still leaves the question about Enoch and Elijah😅 It doesn't matter though. If you trust in the LORD with all your might than it doesn't matter if you go to sleep first or if you'll be with HIM immediately. Have a nice day Frank
Paulus Van Slooten I agree with you that trust in the Lord Jesus is all I need. This is something I am currently searching the scriptures and praying for the answer to. In the meantime I will continue to gaze upon the glory of Christ and be sanctified.
Frankly Frank may GOD help you with your search. I will do the same.. And that's exactly what we should do; looking unto JESUS WHO is the author and the finisher of our faith
What about Ecclesiastes 9 : 5-6, and 10? 5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. 10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest 🕊
Agreed that our spirit goes back to God or Hell. You have not addressed the question- Where does the Soul go? Can a person carry with him his memories, will, emotions, imaginations & intellect of his life on earth??
GN. Young man read Gen 2 verse 7. man does not have a soul, man himself is a Living soul. Dust plus the Breath of God equals a Living Soul. If man had a soul he could not die. Since dust plus breath equals a living soul then living soul minus breath equals dust.Where did the dust came from,{the ground} and where did the breath came from (God). there is your answer sir.
@@ericevelyn3016 you read Genesis 35:18 the soul is departing from the dead body. Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our Image after our likeness....Do you believe God has an Image?
Here is another truth about saved man and his soul after he die. In Matt.27:52-53 during Christ crucifiction the cross.v. 52 "And the graves were opened: and many bodies of the saints which slept arose and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went unto the holy city and appeared unto many.This happened when Jesus descended in Abraham's bosom and led the souls in there to heaven.(see Eph.4:7-10) In the book of 2 Cor.5:8-9 Paul say " to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. In v. 6 Paul say" Therefore we are always confident knowing that, while we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord. Genesis 35:18 “and it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, ( for she died) that she called his name Benoni, but his father called him Benjamin.”All those people who were saved during old testament time, when they died their souls stay in Abraham’s bosom. Its now empty since Jesus took them all to heaven,what is in there now is the hell and those sinners and sinners to come.In revelation 20:13-14 when Jesus reign for 1000 years on earth, He will execute the final judgement, the death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them, and death and hell were cast into the LAKE OF FIRE In Jesus resurrection (Matt.27:52-53) graves were opened and many bodies of saints which slept arose and came out of the graves, why? Also in 1 Thess. 4:15-18 “For this we say unto you by the word of the LORD,that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shal not prevent them which are asleep v.16- For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God,and the dead in Christ shall rise first: v.17-Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air, and so shall we ever with the Lord. V18-Wherefore comfort one another with these words. Why the dead bodies of the saints in the grave came out? Philippians 3:21 “Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.” King James Version (KJV)
@@rolandoagustin9699 what are you talking about my friend ? Acts 16:19-31 deals with when Paul was in jail.. it is very clear that breath as you say is of GOD goes back to Him and that leaves dust my friend Gen 2: clearly states God made Adam from the dust of the earth. At that stage he was a heap of dust not a soul. He became a soul when that lump of dust received the breath of God then it came to life. Take away that breath and you have a heap of dust not a soul. Is this too hard for you to understand. you can search the bible from beginning to the end and you will never find that man has a soul. Let the bible teach you my friend not man. there is a way that seem right unto man but the end there of is death.
I feel a spirit watching over me, forgiving me over again, knowing that one day, there be no need for earthly flesh, only guidence by Jesus holy spirit
What about Psalms 139:7-8.... "Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? If I go up to the heavens your are there; if I make my bed in the grave (Sheol) you are there." God's presence is everywhere, on earth, in the heavens, and in the regions of the dead, be it the grave, sheol, or hades, the places unknown to us.....but he does not say that a person will be conscious right after death. Jesus and Paul both say we are asleep in death until the resurrection and that settles it! Lazarus was dead for four days and Jesus tells us He has to "awaken" him. Did Lazarus ever tells us where he was for four days? Does the bible tell you where Lazarus was for those four days? We are all asleep in death until the resurrection and don't try to reinterpret what the bible really tells us. Does the bible tells us we will resurrect from heaven or hell? No! It does not! Jesus makes it very clear in John 5:28 that all will hear the call and arise from the GRAVE....Not from heaven or hell. Please, quit reinterpreting what the bible really says.....Amen!
GEORGE FORYAN WHEN A CHRISTIAN DIES HE/SHE IMMEDIATELY PASSES INTO THE CONSCIOUS PRESENCE OF CHRIST IN HEAVEN. BUT WHEN THE DAY OF RESURRECTION ARRIVES, HE/SHE WILL BE GIVEN A NEW AND GLORIFIED BODY IN WHICH ALL OF GOD’S PEOPLE WILL LIVE AND FLOURISH ON THE NEW EARTH (OF REVELATION 21-22). GOD BLESS YOU.
@@mercibeaucoup2639Surprisingly, the bible never mentions much about what it is like in death. Lazarus was the best to tells us what the other side would be like and the bible is silent about anything he seen or experienced in his 4 days of death. Most Christian churches stating about a conscious being at death is made on assumptions only and not from truth. The hope of ever living again is the resurrection when you get a new incorruptible body. Remember, Christ IS the resurrection and our hope for eternal life. What are those who have died and gone to heaven of hell (which are permanent places of no return), are going to be residing there as some kind of transparent spirit for many years, then be resurrected and judged and then go back to heaven or hell? Does that make sense? No, it doesn't! We are asleep in death awaiting the resurrection and then after judgment, those who have a new body that are virtuous will go to a newly restored heaven and earth, the home for the righteous (2 Pet. 3:13).....Those who do not pass the judgment will arise and enter the Lake of Fire which is an eternal death. That is what the bible teaches us and not some assumed tradition of most churches because otherwise, death and resurrection has no biblical foundation
@@georgeforyan113 I'M GOING TO GO WITH GOD'S HOLY SCRIPTURE. THIS IS INDEED ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT VERSES IN THE ENTIRE BIBLE. JOHN 3:16 " For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." MY GOD CAN'T LIE. GOD PROMISES ME ETERNAL LIFE THE SECOND I DIE. JESUS PROMISED THE THIEF ON THE CROSS INSTANT PARADISE THE DAY THEY WERE CRUCIFIED. IF THE DEAD DON’T IMMEDIATELY GO TO HEAVEN, HOW DID MOSES AND ELIJAH APPEAR AT THE TRANSFIGURATION? HOW CAN MOSES AND ELIJAH HAVE BEEN PRESENT AT THE TRANSFIGURATION IF THEY ARE WAITING FOR THE RESURRECTION? WHEN A CHRISTIAN DIES HE/SHE IMMEDIATELY PASSES INTO THE CONSCIOUS PRESENCE OF CHRIST IN HEAVEN. BUT WHEN THE DAY OF RESURRECTION ARRIVES, HE/SHE WILL BE GIVEN A NEW AND GLORIFIED BODY IN WHICH ALL OF GOD’S PEOPLE WILL LIVE AND FLOURISH ON THE NEW EARTH (OF REVELATION 21-22.) GOD BLESS YOU. "THERE IS PLENTY OF HOLY VERSES GOD PROMISES YOU ETERNAL LIFE. YOU CAN'T BE UNCONSCIOUS DEAD EVEN FOR 1 SECOND WHEN YOU DIE. ETERNAL LIFE AND SOUL SLEEP ARE TWO VERY DISTINCT MEANINGS."
You will never be without your body. At dearth you will turn to dust. You are a Soul, you have not been given a soul. YOUR WHOLE SOUL WILL DIE AND PERISH. YOU BECAME A SOUL LIKE ADAM DID AT CREATION.
You are not interpreting the scriptures properly and are leaving out so many other scriptures that clearly teach Paul and Jesus believes that there is a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. That's why death is gain, BECAUSE there is a resurrection, that's what is taught that Paul looked forward to. There is no time consciousness in the sleep of death. Therefore it seems instant from death till we're alive again.
