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1 Corinthians 4:6 doesn’t work here because Paul can not possibly be referring to the whole of the New Testament as many of the books of the NT hadn’t even been written. Thematically speaking he was probably referring to “what is written” in the book of life (Exo 32:32-33) since the passages preceding are about divine judgement.
1 Corinthians 4 6 "not to go beyond what is written" So shouldn't we care about the gospels since they weren't written by the time Paul said that? Saying all Scripture is inspired is not the same as saying only Scripture is inspired.. besides "Scripture" in 2 Timothy means the old testament (Septuagint), not the 66 books of the Protestant Bible. And more important... Who says that we should listen and believe 1 Corinthians and 2 Timothy? Right! The church... That's the insurmountable problem of sola scriptura... You need an authority out of the Bible who tells you that Scripture is authoritative and tells you which texts are inspired and which texts are not inspired.
Nope, i don't think you clarified it in a new way, i was curious at first but you ended up using the same old supportive verses as the fellow Protestant brothers. No explicit scriptural verses mentioned.
@@crosspaintArgument is that Christ make himself obedient to Scripture when devil tempted him. But devil also quote the Scripture in perverted way. For me it is the problem for this reasoning, since it shows that knowing Scripture is not enough to follow God will. You must also have a proper understanding of it and when we should acquire it?
Ah, ok, I get you! Yes, of course, just knowing scripture but not understanding it will not help. We need scripture and enlightenment of the spirit, that's right. 😃
@@crosspaint I ask my friends from Bible study group, how we know that we are enlightenment by Holy Ghost, not deluded by Satan. They answer weren't very satisfying. Being very crude and oversimplifying, they answer was that we should believe in ourself. Can I ask you, how you will answer that question? Or do you want to hear what I think about it?
Hey, thanks for your feedback. You can tell us what you think. The point is that Satan is using an isolated verse taken out of context. We think it's precisely important to understand the larger story told in the Bible to avoid falling into this trap. Habving an overview of the Bible is important.
@John Wack If Jesus said "read the scripture" as you try and say that scripture was the Old Testament. Not a written Word of the New Testament existed when Jesus was alive and Jesus never wrote a word down.
@John Wack Read the scriptures, at the time of Jesus there were no New testament books. So He wasn't saying read Matthew, Mark, luke or John, he wasn't saying read revelation, or read romans. And Jews don't accept the bible alone they also accept oral tradition as revelation too.
@Ryan Buikema You speak of God's word in the verses you gave. So please give me a verse in the Bible where God's Word is restricted to only to what is written down. You also say scripture is profitable and that "Paul points Timothy to scripture and scripture alone as the means to deal with false teaching within the Church." That's what you want the verse to say but it doesn't say that, nowhere does it says alone. Nowhere does it say the Bible is the ultimate and only authority. And it says profitable, the definition means beneficial or useful. Nothing about being necessary. A hammer is profitable or useful for driving nails but that does not mean that nails can be driven only by hammers. I could use the back of an axe, a nail gun, a rock or any random blunt object.
@Ryan Buikema Interpretations of this verse that suggest Paul is restricting the basis for Christians doctrine and morals to what is explicitly set forth in the books of the Bible (sola Scriptura) are misleading and untenable. Nothing in the context points to such a broad concern, and in any case Paul insists elsewhere that even the inspired preaching of the apostles is on a par with the written word of God (1 Thess 2:13; 2 Thess 2:15; 3:6).
@John Wack The viewpoint of sola scriptura is that the Bible is the ultimate and only authority. So in 2020, you have the Bible as the OT and NT. So when Jesus ascended there were no written teaching of Jesus for around 15-20 years. They didn’t have any books until 47 ad and Revelation was written about 100 Ad. The Bible didn’t exist back then like it does today; you can’t just go to Wal-Mart and pick up a copy with all the books in it. Once the book was written it wasn’t just instant that everyone in world could have this individual book. It wasn’t like once the writers wrote the books that they could make put it on a copier and email, fax, or drive them to the entire world. So with that said, in addition to the fact not a lot of people could read, how could people back then read the scriptures, and practice sola scriptura like you practice it today?
Jesus didn't hold the absolute authority of scripture that sola scriptura demands. Jesus challenged and even rejected what scriptures said.. "it was said to you... But I tell you" If Jesus had believed in sola scriptura, he himself would have stoned the woman caught in adultery, since that's exactly what scripture says.
Sola Scriptura should be focused to New Testament. The pharisees who demanded a response from Jesus were referring to OT law (Moses). Under this, yes you were stoned. Followers of Christ do not follow Moses. Since Christ, Christians are under the new covenant. Basically Christ revised what was written and fulfilled it on the cross. If you commit adultery now (NT) and do not truly repent from your sins. You are separated from God (enteral life) and you will experience a second death in the lake of fire on judgement day. (Revelation 20:11-15) “And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.” He said to him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”” Matthew 19:17-19 ESV “For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.” Romans 6:14 ESV “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.” Hebrews 8:13 NKJV
How Christ can give exclusivity to written world of God, when He never write anything down? And yet recordings of His words in Gospels are now recognized as scriptures. It seems like a big loophole to me.
I 2 Timothy 3,16, it is written: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. 😉
@@crosspaintThe main problem with this is that "all scripture is profitable" doesn't, in normal English, means "only Scripture is profitable". It like saying "all books for learning road rules are profitable for getting driver licences" and concluding from that that you only learn road rules from the books, not for online courses of talking with instructor. I don't know one person that would say something like that. Also, but this is much less problem. 2 Timothy, must be written after Christ ascended to the heaven and most probably before Gospel of John (and probably few other books of Bible) were written. And it is not what Christ said, but what Paul wrote. Everyone can said that Bible teach Sola Scriptura, which is not a problem. But I want to know, if this view is supported by Bible or is it just a extra-biblical tradition. As this moment, argument that I know that it is something different than human tradition, are quite shake and unconvincing for me. You see this in my responses. You know, people starting with "Martin Luther said that our faith is by Bible alone" is give me very bad impression for it NOT being human tradition.
Yes, that’s true, the verse does not totally reply your question. Sorry about that. I’ll let you take a look at Acts 17:11, 1 Corinthians 4:6 and Mark 7:6-9 and meditate on them. 🙂
@@crosspaintWhat is a status of Sola Scriptura is important question, but not an easy one. Is this doctrine that comes from God or human tradition? Also I should noted "Sola Scriptura" is in Latin. It also unsettling, since Old Testament is in Hebrew (and few other languages) and New Testament is in Greek. Another thing that hinting at view that Martin Luther has more to do with "creating" this doctrine, that many want acknowledge. It is not a proof, but not comforting at all, if you want to treat Sola Scriptura seriously.
Both Jesus and Paul were Jews, both believed in the authority of the Scriptures, but not in the way of sola scriptura... Jews don't follow the sola scriptura.. that's a Protestant dogma made up 1500 years after Jesus. Don't be anachronistic. And BTW, both Jesus and Paul acknowledged the authority of the old testament, not the 66 books Bible that protestants worship today.
